Thread 17925781

I recently went down the rabbit hole on "Messianic Jews"(Christian goys attempting to larp as jews), in the comments i saw boomers jumping at the slightest crumb jews would give them, it was sad. Imagine having your religion dependent on an ethno-religious people of which you will never be a part of. Having to constantly contend with their book and how your own book fits with it, having to contend because God chose them
This shit psychically broke millions of boomers

Christianity was literally a jewish separatist movement that believed big J, Jesus, was the Messiah.
That's it.
Literally it.
Jews who convert are called Messiahnic jews. Because they believe that Jesus was the Messiah.
Messiah is a jewish term.
I don't care but its just endlessly hilarious how WN christians proclaim a hatred of jews while WORSHIPING ONE AND THE JEWISH GOD

>>17925781 (OP)
If you don't associate Christianity with Judaism or are bothered by the fact is beholden to it you aren't a Christian. Come up with your own religion. First post best post btw.

>>17925781 (OP)
Simply put Christianity supplanted Judaism whether you want to admit it or not. It was a slow burn over two millennia but it went on to become the biggest religion that ever existed on Earth.
If anything Jews are cucks because one of their own was radicalized, and converted the world over to his teaching of which he took from them (Jews)

>>17925784
>Jews who convert are called Messiahnic jews
they seem to be mostly goys in my experience, but yes som are actual jews. The entire movement is a result of christians deeply yearning for jewish approval

>>17925781 (OP)
I will say boomers cucking themselves to Jews is funny strictly because of how unnecessary it is in Christianity. Gentiles are grandfathered in. Also there isn't as much contention between the old and new testament as you'd think. The new testament is basically the fulfillment of prophecy foretold in the old testament with a slightly different law code. It's the continuation of the same story. It doesn't need to explain itself.

>>17925781 (OP)
Christianity is sure corrupted by zionists that exploit the church into thinking the Israelis can do no wrong no matter how abusive they are to the Palestinians

>"Messianic Jews"(Christian goys attempting to larp as jews)
That's not even true. Messianic Jews are JEWS who accept Jesus as the Messiah.

>>17925781 (OP)
That the most powerful and widely accepted religion in the world is seemingly irrevocably tied to a tiny ancient semitic cult and its texts, whose commands it has to explicitly ignore and explain away, feels clearly like an end-result of the same unintelligent evolutionary design that led to things like the vertebrate eye being organized backwards so that the nerve fibers go in front of the retina and have to cause a blindspot on their way out.

>>17925781 (OP)
until the last century the papists officially blamed all existing jews today for the murder of Christ
now they mostly blame humanity’s sinful nature but that’s beside the point

>>17925790
>If anything Jews are cucks

https://youtu.be/sMoEsFAe6Yg?si=x9-SA5kvF2ZH5Qw7

They don't seem too bent out of shape about it.

>>17926057
This but none of them mind. Christians are very proud of their status as golems and their masters are similarly satisfied with their status as chosen.

Kind of. The Old Testament is still canonical for Christians, so it's not like they can ignore their religion's Jewish origins.

>>17925838
>Messianic Jews are JEWS who accept Jesus as the Messiah.
American jews started it, but the movement has always been majority goy
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0048721X.2014.949899?utm_source=chatgpt.com

>>17926745
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0048721X.2014.949899

>>17925781 (OP)
Yes. Christianity is a form of mental circumsision for goyim.

>>17926822
post the whole verse

he calls them pieces of shit and says everything they preach is garbage.

you jew shits can only have victory by lying and deceiving his people about what he said and did

>>17926830
>says everything they preach is garbage
No he doesn't you fucking liar. He tells you to literally do everything they preach, just not what they do because they are hypocrites

>>17926830
Made up tradition =/= written/oral law.
Jesus is pro mosaic law.

>>17926830
Still tells people to do everything they tell them.

>>17926840
>>17926838
>>17926835
Stupid jew shits lying as usual.

>>17926847
>No rebuttal

>>17926847
>Jesus tells you to do literally everything
>christard copes by posting irrelevant verses about them not being called fathers
None of those things contradict what I have highlighted there. he was criticizing them for seeking worldly benefits from their role as those who sit in Moses' seat

>>17926853
The fucking rebuttal is to read the entire passage and see that he is mocking the retards who follow the pharisees.

That's why you quote the joke without the punchline, lying shithead.

>>17926860
>More seethe
>Cannot refute the fact Jesus tells his followers to keep the law and obey the rabbis

>>17926862
I just did refute it, lying shithead. Read the passage.

>>17926865
Nope.

>>17926867
lying retard. good job, you just damned yourself under the Law of Moses.

>>17926865
Where does it say not to follow the teachers of the law? Jesus explicitly ordered you do to that. What he also did in the rest of the passage is expose their hypocrisy. According to Jesus' standard you are the least in God's kingdom for denying the law

>>17926869
Are you a woman or something? What's up with these emotional attacks.

>>17926872
like three lines later, he says they are shitheads and that nobody should listen to them

also, he did accomplish luke 16:17. he tore the veil and removed the divide between heaven and earth. the old covenant was fulfilled, and the new covenant established.

>>17926872
That guy is a block, no matter how many times you prove to him Jesus was pro law he will never let it go.

>>17926882
oh stfu retard, i just disproved your bullshit

>>17926878
>nobody should listen to them
Nope, he tells you to listen to them (EVERYTHING) because their preaching is valid but their actions are not.
>Oh no you can't call the teacher of the law Father and now that means the law is invalid.
Nope! You are condemned according to Jesus for abandoning the law sorry.
>removed the divide between heaven and earth
As the other guy posted, Jesus said "until heaven and earth disappear", both are here and therefore the law is valid and binding.
>the old covenant was fulfilled
How do you fulfill traffic laws? You fucking follow them and that's the same way Jesus fulfilled them.
>and the new covenant established
Irrelevant, that has to do with the gentiles that were grafted into salvation
>>17926882
He would rather follow pastor billybob than Jesus, it's truly sad.

>>17926889
>He would rather follow pastor billybob than Jesus, it's truly sad.
Facts.

>>17926889
The Law under the new covenant has its home returned to the People of God, they are its arbiters and authors now as they were before the jews had that authority stripped from them. Jews were banished to exile, divested of all godly authority, and required to follow the Law which was taken from them and placed over them. The new covenant returns the people of God to their throne and has made them one with God, with the authority of God to use the name of God for their justifications.

Continue to play stupid about the difference between the old and new covenant if you want, but with me you will profit nothing from your lies and deceptions.

Yes its a blatant psyop

The christian end times want jews to achieve global domination (false messiah, mark of the beast, third temple, etc) so that yeshua can fall out from the sky lol

>>17926894
The people of God will again resurrect the body of God for their salvation. The coming again of God is not "jesus falling from the sky" it is this >>17925500

>>17926893
>they are its arbiters and authors now
Jesus told you that the Pharisees and teachers of the law sit in the seat of Moses. Literally everything else you have brought is a later development of theology that he never spoke of. This is exactly why you need works for salvation as in pic rel.
>If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. - John 15:10
You are just lazy and want to abandon what God has taught his prophets, do you want to be loved by Jesus and the Father? If yes you will do as he says when he commanded you to follow EVERYTHING they preach

>>17926900
Dambass, the old covenant was fulfilled. The seat of Moses is now a defunct concept with no relevance in the salvation brought by the Son of God.

Continue to play stupid about the difference between the old and new covenant if you want, but with me you will profit nothing from your lies and deceptions.

>>17926898
>rabbi yeshua will fall out from outer space with an army of bird soldiers in the last minute
>surely..

lol ok bro. in the meantime be sure to support israel. the third temple ain't going to build itself goycuck. it's gods plan for jews to win ehehe

>>17926900
>>17926904
>citing the bible
Liberum examen is an heresy. You filthy pagan "protestant" scum will burn in Hell.

>>17926908
Are you fucking retarded? I literally just told you that is not how it will happen.

>>17925790
>If anything Jews are cucks because one of their own was radicalized, and converted the world over to his teaching of which he took from them (Jews)
The rise of Christianity and Islam is literally a fulfillment of their prophecy that the whole world will acknowledge their God as the true God. The jews won.

>>17926904
>the law was fulfilled
It has already been demonstrated to you that the law is eternal. Fulfilling the law does not mean abandoning it like you have. It means actually following it which is what Jesus himself did
>The seat of Moses is now a defunct concept
Not according to Jesus sorry

>>17926909
oh stfu, the institutions to which you want to enslave the people of God are now under the authority of the enemies of God

>>17926910
>do not resist an evil person

enjoy helly

>>17926913
>the law is eternal
yeah, retard, I explained it to you already. I literally give no fucks though about you refusing to accept the truth of the matter as it is articulated here:
>>17926893
>The Law under the new covenant has its home returned to the People of God, they are its arbiters and authors now as they were before the jews had that authority stripped from them. Jews were banished to exile, divested of all godly authority, and required to follow the Law which was taken from them and placed over them. The new covenant returns the people of God to their throne and has made them one with God, with the authority of God to use the name of God for their justifications.

>>17926913
>citing the Bible again
Liberum examen is still an heresy you filthy pagan scum. You'll burn in Hell.

>>17926918
>>17926885
>The sermon on the mount...
>advice for how the people of God should treat one another within the kingdom of heaven
>the context is always left out and the enemies of God suggest instead that the people of God should allow themselves to be tormented by demons in hell.
>the shitheads, they always leave out the context because they want to do murder to those that the Son of God wanted saved.

>>17926920
fuck the fuck off... that literally contradicts what Jesus himself said >>17926878

>>17926914
Many of you protestant pagan filth were killed here in Europe, the rest crossed the atlantic sea and founded the US.
You pagan scum will burn in Hell. All of you.

>>17926925
dambass, there is literally nothing wrong with Catholocism in principle except that the pope stopped giving a fuck about the mission of the Lord.

>>17926923
>Jesus was an heretic, trust me bro, please!
You pagan filth will burn in Hell.

>>17926927
How dare you talk about Jesus you filthy protestant pagan scum.
You'll all burn in Hell. You dirty pagans.

>>17926929
>Jesus was an heretic
That is why the jews murdered him... according to them, his definition of Israel is heresy.

>>17926919
You didn't explain shit, I want the words of Jesus not your idiotic head canon that will get you condemned. Jesus said to fulfill the law is to follow what is written as I have shown you. He commanded it even in your best possible cope about him healing on the Sabbath. Which btw he gave a logical reason why it is permissible according to the law. Show me one instance where Jesus said the eternal law of God is now invalid

>>17926935
>I want the words of Jesus
Liberum examen is an heresy.
You pagan scum will burn in Hell.

Firstly you'd have to take the assumption that modern Jews are the same people as the Hebrews of the Bible, which they are not.

>>17926934
>more headcanon
Jesus what put to death for claiming to be the messiah, not your hotep-tier nationalist crap

>>17926942
>more citing og the bible
Liberum examen is an heresy.
You pagan scum will burn in Hell.

>>17926935
>I want it from Jesus
read Luke 22 then, dumbass

>>17925788
I'm an agnostic so I don't have any bias here, yet at the same time you probably don't complain about using Arabic numerals or the Latin alphabet or scores of other things that originated from the Middle East and Mediterranean and were not invented by your ancestors in Ireland or whatver.

>>17926947
>read Luke 22
Liberum examen is an heresy.
You filthy "protestant" pagans will burn in Hell.

>>17926948
>I'm an agnostic so
a cowardly atheist? fuck off.

>>17926951
Atheist protestant pagan scum will burn in Hell.

>>17926942
You are fucking retarded, the pharisees were "looking for a reason to kill him" because of how he defined jews as just a branch from the tree, the tree that itself is Israel. So they killed him for the crime of giving them the promised salvation that God had delivered to them to fulfill the old covenant.

>>17926947
I have, nothing there says the laws of God are now no longer binding upon you as a follower of Jesus
>>17926957
>more schizo retardation that ignores the text
Let's read Luke 22 as you said. oops looks like the reason is not what you claim even here

>>17926963
The old covenant Law was never binding upon any except jews, and it was fulfilled by the messiah who was delivered by God to fulfill his promise to that people. The Law was put upon the jews by God as the yoke of their punishment during their exile, and that exile was not meant to be eternal. The ending of the old covenant was inevitable when it was first established.

>>17926963
you dumb lying shit, breaker of the Law. You are the lawless shitheads that Jesus was talking about here >>17926889

>>17925781 (OP)
One question you can ask yourself is why of all the ideas from 2000 years ago, does this single one get so much attention and cause so much seething?
Because it is the truth that causes the satanic to wail in their insecurity and agony.

>>17926967
The "old covenant" is eternal and binding upon Israel, which Christians are now
>>17926974
>posts irrelevant verse where Jesus does not say the old laws are invalid
lmao you are the lawless one, you are literally abandoning it because you hate the commandments of God and therefore you hate Jesus too as he said here >>17926900 Literally everything you use as an argument to disobey God is either a non sequitur or head canon. This is exactly why you cannot refute me

>>17927000
>The "old covenant" is eternal and binding upon Israel, which Christians are now

dumbass the old covenant is done and over now. only the new covenant exists and is relevant.

>>17926922
>be harmless as doves

enjoy hades

>>17927006
The advice given by him to those he sent into the hurricane. Would you tell someone to take an umbrella on a sunny day, or to go without one in a rainstorm?

Context. You fucking lying shitheads always leave out the context.

>>17926982
Argumentum ad populum

>>17927004
>the old covenant is done and over now
>"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly NOT ENTER the kingdom of heaven."
You're the same type of hypocrite as the Pharisees, except they are better than you because they are not lawless

>>17927012
Fallacy fallacy

>>17927009
>love your neighbor as yourself
>bless your enemies
>forgive infinite times

enjoy sheol

>>17927015
Context:
>until everything is accomplished
it was, you lost.

>>17927025
>>17926922
>>The sermon on the mount...
>>advice for how the people of God should treat one another within the kingdom of heaven
>>the context is always left out and the enemies of God suggest instead that the people of God should allow themselves to be tormented by demons in hell.
>>the shitheads, they always leave out the context because they want to do murder to those that the Son of God wanted saved.

>>17927027
Yes context "until heaven and earth disappear" make it very clear this is talking about the end of days. And Jesus orders you to " Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect" which is clearly a reference to the laws he gave

>>17927036
>until heaven and earth disappear
it did: Matthew 27:51

>>17927038
That says nothing about the heaven and earth disappearing. You didn't even just take it out of context you lied Satan. If you want to know what that means look at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024%3A34-37&version=NIV it's literally the end of time and even then "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away" meaning that not even that will erase God's commandments

>>17927046
The veil was torn, the barrier between heaven and earth was destroyed. You are either lying about the implications or you are trying to keep others from understanding them. You can not undo the victory of the Son, but you can for a time murder his people until they destroy you in his name.

>>17927060
>The veil was torn, the barrier between heaven and earth was destroyed.
Not in the text you quoted, and not what Jesus was saying you disgusting liar. It doesn't even change the fact that the covenant is everlasting. You are willingly blind because you don't care abut his teachings, you just want to push your racist nonsense while ignoring the words of God and you're using your heretical religion as a scapegoat for your behavior.

>>17925797
but at what cost. The original meaning is diluted.

>>17927154
When christ was crucified the Jews lost the position as god's chosen ones , now only Christians are god's chosen ones, so the only way for Jews to regain that status is to denounce the Talmud and become Christians

>>17927338
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27
And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
Romans 11:25-31

>>17927338
>now only Christians are god's chosen ones
What does that have to do with anything? You are so buckbroken by the race issue you forgot we are talking about religious commandments. You can be Christian and actually do what Jesus says when he instructed you to listen to the oral and written Torah. Paul himself (the champion of lawlessness) thinks he is a Pharisee and was approved by them.

>>17925784
fpbp

>>17927154
>Not in the text you quoted
The veil was torn, the barrier between heaven and earth was destroyed. You are either lying about the implications or you are trying to keep others from understanding them. You can not undo the victory of the Son, but you can for a time murder his people until they destroy you in his name.

The messiah legend came about because the jews got btfo by rome, they got so demoralized that they came up with the story of a messiah coming to save them and ending the world. The jews have a very bad track record of false messiahs.
John the baptist, Jesus, simon bar kokhba, sabbatai zevi, Jacob frank, menachem schneerson

The new Israel is just Venus - there is a reason why everyone says that God is Love

>"dressed" by the light of the Sun (ie. the dawn)
>moon at her feet (moon & star symbolism, or it can also be the ocean, the shell)
>chased by the dragon like Margarete said in her visions, her name which means pearl or from a shell
>also references the story of who Aphrodiete and her son were chased by Typhon and they were turned into the Pisces constellation
>new Israel born of the old Israel meaning the sky god that was castrated Uranus
>wearing a crown of 12 stars just like Urania

>>17927046
>We left Inanna/Ishtar banging on the gates of the Underworld, where the Goddess made an undeniable, zombie-apocalypse threat:

>Gatekeeper, Lo! open thy gate!
>Open thy gate that I may enter!
>If thou openest not the gate to let me enter,

>I will break the door, I will wrench the lock,
>I will smash the door-posts, I will force the doors.

>I will bring up the dead to eat the living.
>And the dead will outnumber the living.

Me thinks this bitch, whoever this Queen of Heaven is, already caused all this apocalypse to happen. Food for thought.

>>17926847
>denies Jesus literally said "you must be careful to do everything [the Pharisees] tell you"
>calls anyone a liar
Your brain on Jew worship.

>>17925781 (OP)
'Cucked' is a bit of a loaded word, but, in a sense, yes. At least as far as Western Christianity is concerned. As long as Western Christians co-exist with Jews, they will develop a fixation. It can either be positive or negative, but the Jews always hold a special place in the world to them. I specify western Christians because I have no idea about Jew-Orthodox relations so I won't generalize.
>>17926037
So did most protestants, to be fair. And the ones who did not thought the Jews had to be sent to Israel and converted so Jesus would come back.

>>17925781 (OP)
On the other hand, you could argue the exact opposite: Judaism is now and forever beholden to a shitty offshoot of itself.

>>17925784
>I don't care but its just endlessly hilarious how WN christians proclaim a hatred of jews while WORSHIPING ONE AND THE JEWISH GOD
Those who claim to be Jews today have no connection to the ancient or Biblical Jews.

>>17925838
>Messianic Jews are JEWS who accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Those who claim to be Jews today aren't etc.

>>17926057
>Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi Is Happy Millions Of Goyim Bow Down To One Jew (Jesus) (embed)
Those who claim to be Jews today have no connection to the ancient or Biblical Jews.

>>17926938
Right.

>>17927338
>the only way for Jews to regain that status is to denounce the Talmud and become Christians
Those who claim to be Jews and follow the Talmud aren't even related to the biblical Jews or Israel.

>>17928543
>As long as Western Christians co-exist with Jews
Those who identify as Jews have nothing to do with the biblical people group called Jews or Israel.
>And the ones who did not thought the Jews had to be sent to Israel and converted
Whoever thought that was wrong about these people even being related to the Biblical Jews in any way whatsoever.

>>17927338
>>17928631
Why the fuck would Jews denounce a meta commentary written by some random Rabbis?
Do you retards seriously still think the Talmud is the Jewish Holy book? Because it's not. The Christian equivalent of the Talmud is the Catechism. It would be like Jews telling Christians to denounce the Catechism. It's stupid. You're stupid

>>17928640
>Do you retards seriously still think the Talmud is the Jewish Holy book? Because it's not.
Those who claim to be Jews today do follow it.

>>17928645
>Those who claim to be Jews today do follow it.
Completely meaningless statement. Jews follow the Torah. The Talmud is something completely different.

>>17928645
That image was written by Michael Hoffman, a known schizo conspiracy nut and holocaust denier, it's not a primary source on how the average Jew thinks anon.

>>17928648
>Jews follow the Torah. The Talmud is something completely different.
More word games. They call the Mishna (which is the first part of the Babylonian Talmud) the "Torah she'beal peh" or "Oral Law," since "Torah" just means law.

Then they will pretend the Gemara, which is really the second part of the Talmud, is the only part of the Talmud, in order to claim it's separate.

>>17928652
Are you saying the quotes provided are fake?

>>17928653
>More word games.
It's not and you're abusing Verbal Fallacies. Yes Torah means Law, yes "The Torah" also colloquially refers to the Hebrew Bible.

>>17928657
>yes "The Torah" also colloquially refers to the Hebrew Bible.
Aha, but the way you were using the word "Torah" was in reference to the "Oral Law" or Mishna, which isn't even in the Holy Bible. Then you pretended that the "Talmud" (or the second part of it, called the Gemara) was "completely separate."

You were hoping to play word games by messing around the definitions. So far you haven't even tried to deny that I'm correct about this.

>>17928659
You know what? I don't even care, you can split hairs and move the goalpost all you want. I'm not eve a Jew, I think I've made my point and anyone lurking here can clearly see how retarded you are.

>>17928662
>I'm not eve a Jew,
I know.

>>17925784
>I don't care but its just endlessly hilarious how WN christians proclaim a hatred of jews while WORSHIPING ONE AND THE JEWISH GOD
This.

>>17928634
>Those who identify as Jews have nothing to do with the biblical people group called Jews or Israel.
Ok, whatever. Everyone (Excluding you, James Mason, and the Aryan Assemblies of Anglo-Saxon YHWH in rural Montana) still treats them like so.
>Whoever thought that was wrong about these people even being related to the Biblical Jews in any way whatsoever.
Yeah I know, 'da troof' of the matter was discovered in the nineteenth/twentieth century after eighteen~ hundred years of everyone being unanimously wrong. It's frankly a lot like other similar protestant offshoot movements. They're kind of like the Mormons of hard right Christianity.

>>17928785
>Everyone still treats them like so.
Whoever treats them this way is incorrect.

It doesn't matter how far the deception goes, it doesn't become truth just because people decide to accept it. The Bible itself says they aren't even Jews in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9. That's the only thing that carries any weight.

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
- Revelation 2:9

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
- Revelation 3:9

The facts are obvious. I didn't write the book of Revelation, I am only pointing it out.

>>17925781 (OP)
>>17925784
I think you two should neck yourselves

>>17928803
Those passages in Revelation refers to groups like the Black Israelites who larp as jews.

>>17925781 (OP)
Christians used to treat jews worse than muslims did. Your mistake was making them goldsmiths and moneylenders. Their power grew to eclipse the christian nobility and kings.

>>17928039
>can't refute me so he just spams the exact thing
If I don't see it written in the text then I do not believe it, simple as. The heaven and earth is still here, they were not destroyed

>>17928656
Even if they were real something like half of the world's Jews wouldn't give a fuck because they're not even religious.

>>17928890
If we're being honest with ourselves, most Christians aren't religious either

>>17928818
Sounds jewish of you, so it checks out

>>17925781 (OP)
Modern Jews didn't exist in Jesus's day if anything modern Palestinians are their real descendants.

>>17925781 (OP)
Evangelical nonsense.
Everyone knows how the story goes. The Messiah comes, some Jews reject him and his word. The believers become Christian, and what's left of the ones who rejected Jesus morph into modern Rabbinic Judaism a few years after. Christianity and Judaism today are more like distant cousins than anything. The Judaism of today is nothing like the Judaism contemporary to Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the apostles. The bond is severed. In fact, Christians blamed Jews for Jesus' death for millennia, and relations between the two groups weren't exactly friendly. Contrary to what some people think, the Inquisition wasn't really hunting down witches or killing bold scientists. Other than judging potential heresies, their main activity was obsessing over Jews, crypto-Jews, former Jews and everyone else who could be even faintly semitic. The Church was only able to marginally improve its relationship with Jews in the last century, and even then things are far from smooth.

Jew adoration is an American anomaly. In part because they have the weirdest cults (or """denominations""" as they like to call them) known to the Christian world, in part because they don't know about the history of Judaism, and largely because most people in the country are too dumb to understand what they hear and read. They think Jews are still the Hebrews and Israel is the same Israel they read about in Scripture.

But then again, that's an American anomaly. It'd even be unfair to pin it down on Protestants in general as many of them have also been radically antisemitic in the past (late Luther's angry ramblings on Jews are comedy gold btw).

>>17925781 (OP)
Christianity is by definition the most anti-judaic religion/philosophy that will ever exist. Judaism and Christianity are the negation of one another. Jews continuing to be judaic after Christ are, in a properly Christian view, the most wretched people that will ever exist, for they were once chosen by God to be an example to the rest of humanity: an example of how a true God-following folk should behave, and the immense punishment that falls upon them whenever they disrespect their God. Jews were chosen to build a culture that would evolve through history in such a way that it would enable the sacrifice of Christ and the spread of the Word through the Roman Empire. At this point, their duty as the chosen people was complete: they were no longer chosen to be an example, they were now supposed to step behind with the rest of humanity, all under Christ. And yet, in their immense hubris they rejected their God, in the worst act of treachery in the history of humanity. To be a jew is to be Satan - literally the Adversary, the one against Christ.

>>17926938
So ashkenazim are just crypto-terroni?

>>17929973
Luther was a philosemite that only wrote "On the Jews and their lies" because they told him to fuck off when he tried to convert them. His bible is based on the fucking Masoretic text.
Protestantism in general much like the Catholicism it came from is very inconsistent on them Jews. They swung between a sort of pseudo-humanitarian protection (No force conversions, German bishops harbored Jews during the Rhineland Massacres) and repression wildly. In protestantism this was sometimes transmuted into a bizarre idolization and virulent hatred. Dispensationalists and Christian Identitarians are two sides of the same coin, so to speak.
The only thing historical Christians couldn't seem to be toward Jews was indifferent. The Jews could not be "just another people".
>>17930804
No, but they are the most European of the Jews. They have similar ratios of Middle-Eastern to European admixture which makes them cluster together.
Genetically their histories are pretty different.

>>17928621
>>17928627
Why do you jew worshipping cocksuckers still peddle this lie as if we're living in 1925? Genetic studies have confirmed modern jews descend from bronze age levantines i.e. canaanites. Ashkenazis, sephardics and all the other jews that remained in middle east. The latter for some reason are completely ignored by you muh khazar morons. The majority if jews in Israel are mizrahis, not ashkenazis. That's why israelis generally look a lot browner and more semitic compared to western jews, who have significant european admixture, mostly from female side.

>>17925784
>WN christians proclaim a hatred of jews while WORSHIPING ONE
We are the real jews, silly

>>17930911
OY VEY WE WUZ KHANGS

>>17930912
We were the real jews and shit.
The 12 tribes and their various blessings and promises don't map on neatly to these talmudic blokes.

>>17925781 (OP)
No. Christianity is fundamentally anti-Jewish (John 8:44; Matthew 27:24–25), and some extinct Christian sects (Marcionites, Gnostics, Apelleans) were even more anti-Jewish.

The reason why White Americans are such massive Shabbos goyim has to do with them being rootless mutts more than anything else, as Hitler said, the Jews can only be masters over bastards .

>>17930918
this is actually true but not in the sense that you mean
current "israelis" are mostly german/eastern euro mutts
everybody complaining about modern kikes are actually complaining about mutt white people

>>17925781 (OP)
Jesus was a reformer of the law of Moses.

>>17928621
which is it

>>17930907
>Genetic studies have confirmed modern jews descend from bronze age levantines
>i.e. canaanites
Hmm...

>>17930935
Why is the God of the bible so racist? Why care about genealogy so much?

Christians are Israel, jews are not. Jews are the enemies of God who do not hail the Son as Lord. Jews are evil bastards and they serve the devil only.

These xtian wignats are genuinely mentally ill. I saw Adam Green argue with one who claimed the real jews were actually white aryans and that the fake jews inverted everything in the bible and even faked history. They claim to be white nationalists but hate and insult our history, our culture, our gods, our religions, our ancestors, and they desperately want to be jewish, yahweh's chosen people. Complete and total cognitive dissonance. It happens to these wignat types once they actually read the bible for the first time and realize everything about xtianity is actually jewish. God, prophets, scripture, messiah, history, heroes. Those who aren't low iq and mentally ill quit being xtian at this point, but the spergs have a mental breakdown and they invent a whole narrative about we wuzz da true jews.

>>17930950
You are mentally ill and deranged because you can't come to terms with the fact that jews are damned servants of the devil and christians are Israel.

>>17930949
avoiding the race question which is that modern israelis are descendants of europeans

>>17930959
This same pope is anti-Christian in his politics and doctrine

>>17930962
Failing to persecute jews is anti-christ.

>>17930919
Christianity is inherently jewish and jewish supremacist. Hitler and all of the top nazis were anti-christian.

To be christian you have to admit that
>Jews are the god's chosen people
>Jewish prophecies are true
>Jesus is jewish and hails from the line of David
>Jewish messiah will conquer the world and every goy will bow down to him
>You worship the god of Jews

>>17930918
Well that's because Jews are only two, maybe three of the Twelve Tribes, by their own account.
If you knew your Jewbook, you'd know there were two Jewish Kingdoms after King Shlomo: Judah (consisting of the eponymous tribe, the tribe of Benjamin and Levites within their territory) under the line of David, and the kingdom of Israel under a new dynasty had the ten other tribes.
From Judah comes their name, Jews, and from there also comes the Messianic prophecy that the Messiah will bring back ALL the Israelites to the promised land. Including the Ten Lost Tribes.
>>17930925
All genetic studies coincide that Ashkenazis (excluding all the other Jews) are patrilineally middle eastern and matrilineally italic with little posterior admixture.

>>17930971
>Messiah
Oh my שָׁמַיִם, how rude of me. Mosiach.

>>17930967
jews aren't God's chosen people

>>17930935
Your bible drivel is irrelevant. Canaanite is the academic term for bronze age levantines. Genetically they were all the same.

>>17930964
Well yeah, the adversary was bound in a bottomless pit for more than a millennium, but then he was emancipated and now deceiveth all nations

>>17930987
Jews don't have that power, they are lying larpers who have been propped up like a perverse puppet to be destroyed in a ritual sacrifice to herald the next age.

>>17930984
Agreed. So you're not a christian then.

>>17931013
You aren't a christian if you believe that jews are God's chosen people.

>>17930987
>>17931010
Mindbroken. Give my regards to the chief Rabbi of the synagogue inside your respective heads.

>>17930986
>Your bible drivel is irrelevant
No it's not because the Bible is truth. It's a confounding and confusing book, but only to those people who can't understand metaphors.
>Canaanite is the academic term for bronze age levantines
Okay???
>Genetically they were all the same
"Genetic sameness" is total nonsense. Humans are so diverse there are even average regional differences within an ethnicity, however small and seemingly insignificant those may be to us. God being God, he has thus developed his racism to the most accurate and precise level possible. No /pol/tard or /his/tard armchair anthropologists can hope to match him in this particular domain, try as they might. You really don't want to listen to anything out of the mouths or pencils of these "academics" they're always lying filth.

>>17930967
Christianity is a Galilean religion. Jesus was a Galilean who despised the Jews, regarded them as bastards and children of Satan, he constantly attacked them and their religion, he also instructed his disciples to slaughter them. The Jews attempted to kill him multiple times until they succeeded. Christianity is, at its core, fundamentally anti-Jewish.

I won’t bother answering the rest of your post as it is pure Jewish delusion.

>>17931034
Go tell that to your pastor, or any actual christian. What's even the point of your retarded christcuck larping? You've clearly never read the bible and don't believe anything in it. You're probably a 20 year old zoomer conformist bitch with no spine and got roped into this shit because you saw everyone on the right shilling xtianity, so you decided to pretend to be one to fit it.

>>17931054
>Christianity is, at its core, fundamentally anti-Jewish.
this is laughable
it's like listening to protestants argue they have nothing to do with catholics
christianity and judaism are far more similar than they are different, they share common geographic origins, language, traditions, and even values

>>17931059
Supersessionism >>17930949
jews are not Israel, not God's chosen people.

jew ≠ jew
Talmudic jew ≠ old testament jew
old testament jew ≠ talmudic jew

>>17931083
Go tell that to your pastor. Which denomination are you?

>>17931092
>irrelevant time wasting and derailing questions
jew tricks are gay and retarded, please kys

>>17925781 (OP)
>No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
John 3:13
Here Jesus explicitly claims that he came down from Heaven, thus making him not human let alone a Jew. He also indirectly rejects the truthfulness of the OT as he claims only him ascended to Heaven the while the OT claims that both Enoch and Elijah ascended into Heaven.

>Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
John 6:49
Notice the YOUR FATHERS rather than OUR FATHERS. Here Jesus denies being of Jewish descent.


>You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 8:44
Again YOUR FATHER rather than OUR FATHER. Here Jesus denies again being of Jewish descent.

>Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’d?
John 10:34
Notice the YOUR LAW rather than OUR LAW. Here Jesus deny being linked to the Torah like the Jews.
JEWS BTFO

>>17931086
Even if we entertain this insane cope, what difference does it make? You still believe the jews were god's chosen people, whoever you think they were (blond, blue eyed nordic aryans?). You believe in their tribal god, in the scripture they wrote, in their prophets, in their messiah, in their fake history. You've been spiritually and mentally conquered by jews, which is the whole point of christianity. They couldn't beat Rome in war, so they decided to try their chances at theological warfare, which turned out to be the winning strategy for them. They went from being completely irrelevant backwater shithole nobody knew or cared about, to quarter of the world bowing to their god and believing jews had a covenant with god and israel is the holy land because of xtianity. Christcucks are jewish golems and are spreading jewish supremacist, anti-european ideology. Yeshua is kang (of the jews)! Every knee will bow to the jewish messiah! Worshipping the jew is how we win!

>>17931126
>You still believe the jews were god's chosen people
Christians do not believe that.

>>17931099
So not a real christian. Again, what's the point of your larping as a christian online? What exactly do you even believe in?

>>17931130
Every single christian denomination believes that. You'd know if you were an actual christian and read the bible.

>>17931134
Supersessionism >>17930949 (You)
jews are not Israel, not God's chosen people.

>I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.
>Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
>If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
>25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is[f] my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”[g]
>28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
>30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
Romans 11

>>17931054
>Jesus was a Galilean who despised the Jews
Galilean is not an ethnicity, your fucking moron. Most people who lived in Galilee were jews, including Jesus, who was circumcised on 8th day as is according to jewish law of his jewish parents and was given a jewish name. Was baptized by a jew. Became a rabbi at 30. Was an observant jew all his life. Spoke aramaic. He came to jews in Israel and only preached to jews in Israel. All his followers and disciples were jews. All the apostles were jews. All early christians were jews. The first popes were jews. All the prophets in bible are jews. All the heroes and most of the characters in the bible are jews. The history in the bible only concerns the jews. It was a jewish book written by jews for jews. Christianity was an anti-temple and anti-establishment sect of judaism. It was jewish religion that was later expanded to gentiles and turned into an universal religion because jews figured that having goys abandon their gods and worship their jewish god, and believe that Israel is holy land and that their scripture is holy is to their benefit. It honestly is surprising how anyone fell for it but I guess there's just no limit to human stupidity.

The new testament literally begins with listing the genealogy of Jesus all the way back to Abraham.
>This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:
>Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers
>Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,
>Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,
>Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse,
>and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
>Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa,
>Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
>Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
>Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah,
>and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
>After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
>Zerubbabel the father of Abihud, Abihud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,
>Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Elihud,
>Elihud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,
>and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
>Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.

Jesus is of the tribe of Judah i.e. jews. Any christian who has read the bible knows this. Only anonymous online christcucks larpers deny this because you're not christians.

>>17932216
Yes, but he preached a new religion. He did not preach that the old covenant should continue forever.

>>17931135
Supersessionism is not retroactively denying jewish covenant with jew god. To be a christian you have to believe that at some point jews were the jew god's chosen people, to believe in jewish prophets who foretold of the coming of their jewish messiah that will conquer the world and make all goys bow down to him, which christians believe to be jesus, to believe that the bronze age tribal god of a pastoralist canaanite tribe is the god of the universe, to believe that Israel is the holy land, to believe that the books written by jews are holy and divinely inspired by the jew god, to believe in the jewish miracles in the bible. No actual christian has a problem with this.

>>17932247
>To be a christian you have to believe that at some point jews were the jew god's chosen people,
Nope. Jews were never alone in that group, and they never will unless they successfully murder everyone else with a valid claim to being of God.

>>17932222
He didn't preach anything because he didn't exist. There's zero proof of it. Two thousand years and billions of christians later we still have precisely zero proof of his existence. Nada. Zilch. He didn't exist. The gospels are entirely fictional. It's a mythological story, not a historical one. The early christians like Paul (also a fictional character) didn't even believe in an earthly Jesus. They thought he was a divine figure in heaven not a human, earthly person who walked and lived among them. Paul never even met Jesus, or anyone who has seen or met Jesus. He says he learned of his message from scripture i.e. the hebrew bible. That's what the new testament is. It's a collection of quotes from the hebrew bible, and the gospels are about Jesus going around Israel and fulfilling the messianic prophecies from the tanakh as if he's following a checklist. There's nothing new about christianity. It's a derivative, inferior product sold to gentiles by jews. They get to keep their religion, their covenant, their circumcision, their laws and special relationship with their jewish god, while they sell the crappy derivative version of judaism to goys with the promise that they will be grafted into the (jewish) branch and attain eternal salvation for the small price of abandoning your gods, bowing down to jewish messiah and worshipping a foreign jew god instead! What a deal! LMAO. How did anyone fall for this looney tunes tier trick? Is it any surprise that jews think goys are braindead cattle? My favorite christkike gem is
>dey keeled gawd! da joose keeled gawd!
How do you kill an omnipotent god? Jews must be as powerful as god himself. It's not like it was part of God's plan to begin with, right? Without Jesus dying for the sins of humanity there is no salvation for christians.

>>17932345
Speaking of crucifixion of Jesus, it is yet another rehashed concept from the hebrew bible. Like the sacrificial goat of Yom Kippur, Jesus is meant to soak all of our sins and be sacrificed to god of Israel.

>>17932256
>Nope. Jews were never alone in that group
Who else was in it? The only people that worshiped Yahweh, had a temple devoted to him and practiced circumcision were jews.

>>17932397
The jew understanding about what people are of God has never been correct. They perverted the concept or inherited a perversion of the concept. It had to be straightened out by the Son in order to bring about the end of the war in heaven.

>>17932345
I think this is unlikely. Why would Jews Peddle a religion that thinks they are scum who killed God? Why would they pollute their beliefs and mitzvot by getting the Gentiles into it?
They were doign just fine under Rome.
You aren't thinking like a religious Jew.

>>17932382
>sacrificial goat of Yom Kippur
most "learned" atheist

>>17931134
See the following:

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
- 1 Peter 2:9-10

>>17932219
>Jesus is of the tribe of Judah i.e. jews.
But the people claiming to be Jews today are not related to the ancient or Biblical Jews.

>>17932345
>Is it any surprise that jews think goys are braindead cattle?
Those who claim to be Jews today have nothing to do with the ancient Israelite, Hebrew or Jewish people.

>>17926942
Jesus was the son of the Massylii king, and was his heir of title and profession as a scholar.
His older brother Ptolemy was the heir of their mother as a royal, whom held a higher esteemed claim.

>>17933244
>Hebrew
The Hebrews are the Cainite mutts of Nimrods empire that were elevated above the natives of the Nile due to still being born of Adam, albeit not of Set.
These are the worshippers of Babi that considered themselves the "rightful" heirs of Osiris despite being his bastards, and whom subverted and backstabbed the arriving worshippers of Horus, aka Israel, when they felt that they had been snubbed of power.
This is what Tolkien portrays as Sauron and his dark elf Orcs. The Hebrews are literally Saurid/Nimrods adopted Cainites, that became his army of the first empire.
Tolkiens works are anti-empire to the core, which is why he based Sauron on Saurid of Egypt - as he is Nimrod. The tower of Babel was not constructed IN Babylon, but was Nimrods attempt at forcing his language onto the Mesopotamians, which caused linguistic nightmares due to poor implementation of scripture and literacy. The scribelord of Anatolia aka Enoch/Thoth then had to repair this linguistic nightmare by helping out Egypt/Nimrod.

>>17926963
Jesus told them that the Pharisees had elevated the name of the Massylii king to that of God, of which Jesus himself was the son and heir.
The "Son of Man" symbol is the squatting man symbol that accompanied the cataclysm and flood, and which became the symbol of the berbers, inspiration for the menorah, yggdrasill and other symbols.

>>17932216
Galilean absolutely was an ethnicity with its own language (Galilean Aramaic) distinct from Hebrew, and its own culture distinct from that of Judeans. Jesus was uncircumcised Aramean from Galilee and opposed core features of Judean culture such as genital mutilation, temple sacrifice, sabbat, purity law, and so on.

His disciples said to him: Is circumcision useful or not? He said to them: If it were useful, their father would beget him from their mothers (already) circumcised. But the true circumcision in the Spirit has proved useful in every way.
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas53.html


>schizo babble
Not answering your schizo babble.

>>17925781 (OP)
Those are recent heresies/subversions, not representative of Christianity.

>>17925781 (OP)
www.enjoyhell.com

>>17933910
>This is what Tolkien portrays as Sauron and his dark elf Orcs. The Hebrews are literally Saurid/Nimrods adopted Cainites, that became his army of the first empire.
The term "saint" means nothing to me, but if it held any sort of true reverence Tolkien would be the greatest among the Catholic herereticals. He was too knowledgable to be reduced to the slur of "Roman Catholic", for these congregations did not know scripture like he did. He merely identified as one so as to proselytize the european roots back into the corrupted throne of the south.

>>17934670
The tree of white kings will flower again :) have faith

>>17933970
>Hebrew
Hebrew was not a spoken language during Jesus' time. It was a purely liturgical dead language by then. Everyone spoke Aramaic.
>Jesus was uncircumcised
Luke 2:21