Anonymous
8/16/2025, 3:21:16 PM
No.17926906
>>17926930
>>17929113
Are the Proto-Indo-Europeans overrated?
I think the Early European Farmer and Mesopotamian civilizations are much more interesting.
Anonymous
8/16/2025, 3:32:38 PM
No.17926928
Yeah they were a bunch of backward barbarians good at warfare but that was it, the Mongols of their times pretty much
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 1:26:35 AM
No.17928216
>>17928233
>>17926930
Trvke. Everything I've read about the EEF portrays them as either emaciated obese woman enjoyers with gyno or aztec-tier cannibal savages who sucked at warfare despite their cruelty. Lame either way and very difficult to sympathize with.
>>17928216
>Everything I've read about the EEF portrays them as either emaciated obese woman enjoyers with gyno or aztec-tier cannibal savages who sucked at warfare despite their cruelty
What signs point to them sucking at warfare? The outcomes of prehistory more speak to the Vril of the groups that appear to have conquered them. AHG is one of the most stable, enduring and highly achieving genetic clusters from all of prehistory. Their fate in Europe is a cruel reminder to not rest on your laurels and to take the fight against entropy.
But yeah there is a strain of inhuman cruelty that is oddly not much spoken of. Some of the finds are bewildering.
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 1:43:40 AM
No.17928263
>>17928270
>>17928233
>What signs point to them sucking at warfare?
Let me think...
Losing two-thirds of their territory to stone-axe-wielding, 21-year-old herding barbarians?
Having their languages and belief systems replaced and absorbed?
Having virtually all of their Y haplo replaced? I wonder how bad they were at war.
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 1:46:25 AM
No.17928267
>>17928233
Barcin got btfo bro, seeth
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 1:47:55 AM
No.17928270
>>17928263
These events took thousands of years to unfold. As I said the wild men had more Vril.
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 2:16:04 AM
No.17928348
Yes, I think so. They weren't warriors or "Aryans" like many claim, but I still believe them to a fascinating part of history.
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 2:48:37 AM
No.17928425
What interests me most is the similarity between the Lithuanian language and the script.
https://youtu.be/bzRxSVK7qIU?si=zoh3ymHdcfWiHP7O
Yamnaya? Well, I don't have an opinion on that. They were definitely tall. They evolved on our lands (if we consider the Urals to be the border of Europe), so they were ours in its own way
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 2:51:59 AM
No.17928431
What interests me most is the similarity between the Lithuanian language and the sanskrit.
https://youtu.be/bzRxSVK7qIU?si=zoh3ymHdcfWiHP7O
Yamnaya? Well, I don't have an opinion on that. They were definitely tall. They evolved on our lands (if we consider the Urals to be the border of Europe), so they were ours in its own way
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 4:36:58 AM
No.17928588
The pre-IE farmer culture I'm most fascinated with is Hamangia (and its successor Varna), both because I share Varna man's haplo (T-M184, I'm also Bulgarian) and because of how different they were from neighboring peoples.
>Hamangia's range is limited to coastal NE Bulgaria/Romania, shares no burial rites with neighbors. Likely the product of a seaborne invasion from Anatolia.
>Hamangia had proper cemeteries with individual graves suggesting ancestor veneration, whereas other Balkan farmers sealed the dead in their (temporary) homes.
>sea raider theory bolstered by widespread fortifications in Hamangia settlements, burials with antler axes and occupants almost always younger than 40.
>oldest Hamangia settlements are in Romanian Dobruja, gradually spreading south to the Varna lakes area by conquest.
>late Hamangia graves at Durankulak include gold goods, likely prototype of later elite male burial at Varna (furthermore, remains from Durankulak are also T-M184).
>strong early contact with PIE, R1b found in Varna Culture which was likely a source of metal goods for steppe peoples
I haven't found any research on which part of Anatolia the Hamangia people could have come from, but considering maritime travel routes of the time my pet theory is that they originated somewhere in Pontus (with a layover in mountainous southern Crimea).
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 12:04:18 PM
No.17929086
>>17929210
>>17928233
What findings are bewildering?
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 12:34:30 PM
No.17929113
>>17926906 (OP)
Proto-Indo-European is a false thing invented by literal nazis.
Be careful.
Anonymous
8/17/2025, 1:52:04 PM
No.17929210
>>17929086
Some mass-cannibal and ritual sites. Herxheim, Koszyce and many others. Globular Amphora apparently had an aristocratic warrior element to their culture and still continued the practice. It wasn't out of obvious lack of alternatives unlike what can at least be argued for other cases of cannibalism in prehistory.
There are other things but it's more speculative.