Thread 17927824

Is there really a christian revival? or is it all contrarianism?

I wouldnt know cuz I was raised christian but now resent them

>>17927824 (OP)
Some of it is genuine faith, but a lot is just reactionary bullshit.

People clinging to tradition to own the libs or cope with a changing world. Christianity is declining overall, but the loudest ones are doubling down. Your resentment is valid. Many use religion as a cudgel, not a comfort. Stay skeptical.

>>17927845
Its funny because I was raised protestant, which the cathzoomers hate
but when I meet with prots they do seem to genuinely believe in Jesus Christ
but when I see edgelords on 4chan talk about how much they hate fags, or how edgy they are, I just look past them and know theyre larpers

>>17927845
>Christianity is declining overall

>>17928005
>very small bump well within statistical fluctuations
>right at the golden age of using religion to scam people
The absolute state of cuckstianity!!!

>>17927864
ok have fun in your prot churches with tranny worshiping faggot woman priests

>>17927824 (OP)
Its just larpers wanting to stick it to the wokes.

>>17928043
https://apnews.com/general-news-7b465b60945f40deb3a68b3de742f84a

>>17928043
theyre quite conservative

>>17927824 (OP)
im an atheist and joke about christucks all the time, but ill be honest the first christian sect that becomes pro ai and robot wives I would re-join my faith in a heart beat and start believing in this Jesus crap again.

I think this is how most churches originally became pro lgbt.

>>17928062
So they worship Israel too, good to know.

>>17928063
No you wont because God doesnt want you.

Bunch of edgy chuds become christians to own da gay tranny libs. They dont actually follow any of the teachings like treating thy neighbor as thyself, not casting stones and there being neither greek nor jew. They are very prideful of being huwhite.
Most of them goon to hentai tranny shit too.
They go through insane mental gymnastics in order to be antisemites that worship a jewish rabbi, jewish apostles, and the god of israel.

>>17928032
Cope

>>17928075
Nobody cares what you think Christians should do or believe.

>>17928043
Never forget

>>17927864
I grew up as a Roman Catholic in Latin America, and I can assure that there are lots of genuinely religious people who go to Roman Catholic churches here, but they almost always tend to be working-class people. I've never met anybody with a white-collar job who's a self-proclaimed Roman Catholic but doesn't also believe in karma or reincarnation or something else which is altogether incompatible with Roman Catholic Church dogma, and usually, the more educated people are, the less likely they are to be religious (with some exceptions, of course).
I feel like the big difference between genuinely devout Roman Catholics and TradLARPers is that genuinely devout Roman Catholics tend to be somewhat superstitious and don't necessarily have much knowledge of their faith outside of what they've learned during mass, but they always believe that everything that happens in the universe reflects God's will and that the most important is to be good unto one another and to love one another as God loves us.
Even though I'm an agnostic, I find this message of brotherly love to be much more heartfelt and credible than all of the "Enjoy Hell"-spouting and all of the theological debating I see on this board every day.

>>17928079
Shut up and turn the other cheek like a good little bitch. Be meek like rabbi yeshua taught

>>17928087
You sound mad

>>17928082
Very insightful and spiritual post.

>>17928075
>Most of them goon to hentai tranny shit too.
Yep, I mean who are we fooling here, if that faggot Pastor Anderson came out and said
>watching anime is a sin. its on par with reprobates
you think any of these KJV onlyist people would spam his videos here? lol.

>>17928075
>>17928123
You aren't a woman

>>17928125
Prove it.

>>17928055
The roman empire was more than just europe.

In my opinion (I'm atheist)

Christianity's decline is more related to how it has been changing over time to accommodate to culture so, Christianity today's just paganism at this point

I mean, all religions do this, but it's absurd with Christianity overall

I'm sure someone (a Christian) will read this and think "this idiot doesn't know what he's talking about", but it will refuse to actually follow the teachings or scripture unless it fits with its life style

So, yeah, Christianity is declining

>>17928082
The poorfag Catholics are getting succ'd by Amerifat style Evangelical churches at a fast rate though.

>>17928147
I dont think Christians realize that real genuine christianity (the type that lasted a 1000 years) was vehemently against Adam Smith capitalism and democracization of knowledge. Which is funny that all the tranny leftists are against ai too saying "you cant just get information instantly! you need to learn to google fu!". which was word for word the exact type of complaints Catholics had about early printing press publications.

truly an odd group of people on both sides.

>>17928147
Sure, but is Christianity really dying out just because it is changing? It’s always been like this... mixing with local cultures and beliefs to survive.

> Christmas
December 25th was picked to match up with pagan festivals like Saturnalia and Yule. The whole tree thing, presents, big feasts? All borrowed from older traditions.

> Easter
The name comes from a Germanic goddess, Ēostre, and stuff like eggs and bunnies? Fertility symbols from way before Christianity showed up.

Even saints and churches got in on it. Lots of *christian* holy sites were just rebranded pagan shrines and deities.

Christianity kinda has always adapted to fit in. If it's shifting now, that's not necessarily decline... it is just doing what it is always done.

>>17928170
I look to it more like the Ship of Theseus

If you change every part of Christianity, is it still Christianity? Or just an imitation of it?

>>17928156

Not even in the 1st 1000 years, right after the crucifixion they were already changing things

The "youngest" Gospels contain more supernatural events in comparison to the oldest ones, it was a "Christian" Whisper. Even the Church admitted that they weren't sure how many and what the changes were through time, the criteria to decide the cannon was an appeal to popularity and "I think this character would said this"

If I remember well, a theory is:
Mark was the 1st written
Then "Q" (unknown source or sources, don't know if it was/were written or not)
Matthew uses Mark and Q as source
Luke uses Matthew and Mark as source, change the story to make it appealing to a Roman public
About John I don't remember

>>17927824 (OP)
bit of both
these topics are never exactly clear cut

>>17928231
Everything the secularists have said against the Gospels is a fantasy of their own brains absent of evidence or relation to reality

>John
GOAT
>Matthew
Redpill after redpil but the sermon on the mount is a massive bluepill which weighs it all down.
>Luke
>Mark
Written by the devil himself.

>>17927845
>Some of it is genuine faith, but a lot is just reactionary bullshit. People clinging to tradition to own the libs or cope with a changing world. Christianity is declining overall, but the loudest ones are doubling down. Your resentment is valid. Many use religion as a cudgel, not a comfort. Stay skeptical.
Here's Hobsbawm on 19th-century tradcaths.

It's 50/50. Some of it is genuine revival, the other is contrarianism bullshit. Christianity is also growing in the East as well.

>>17928043
You've never stepped in to a fucking church. Don't you feel the least big embarrassed doing this shit? What kind of deep rooted trauma do you have that can only be soothed by LARPing on 4chinz?

>>17927824 (OP)
>christian revival

>>17927824 (OP)
Depends how genuine it has to be before it counts. Its almost entirely a political thing, a reaction against mostly non-christian third world migration into historically christian countries, and a secular culture that got taken over by wokism.

>>17927824 (OP)
Aside from E-larpers it's dead among triple digit IQ people. Here's a photo from my local latin mass church

>>17927824 (OP)
Aside from E-larpers it's dead among triple digit IQ people. Here's a photo from my local latin mass church

the thing about this whole debate is that the actual line between many "christians" and nones in the US is often mainly a matter of sociopolitical labeling. most nones would still profess to believe in a soul, some sort of spiritual side to the world and often even the notion of some sort of deity, they just often reject the christian label for doctrinal or political reasons. on the other hand many people identifying as christian rarely pray or even bother going to church but still identify as culturally christian. so traditional markers of religiosity are down across the board regardless of what you choose to identify as religiously
with that said, I know pew did detect some modest revival in traditional religious markers among the youngest cohort they were tracking 18-24, though the caveat is they've only been polling them for 2 years. but there does seem at a minimum to be a relative stabilizing of the religious situation rather than the continuing decline of christian affiliation seen over much of the past 2 decades
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/decline-of-christianity-in-the-us-has-slowed-may-have-leveled-off/

>>17927824 (OP)
One thing I don't understand about Tradcaths is...the Catholic Church has pretty much always been a force of progressivism. Hell, even TODAY the split between Catholics and Protestants is largely a liberal/conservative split, with Protestants leaning more towards being conservative and Catholics leaning more liberal. Hell, look at what El Salvador is doing, it took them becoming majority Protestant for them to take harsh measures against the cartels because the Catholic Church had advocated for liberation theology and being soft on crime.

>>17928082
Most Tradcaths in Latin America are upper middle class though, at least the ones who believe the "west is dying", Pope Francis was the antichrist or Judgment Day is coming

>>17931090
>the Catholic Church has pretty much always been a force of progressivism.
no lol
>Hell, look at what El Salvador is doing, it took them becoming majority Protestant for them to take harsh measures against the cartels because the Catholic Church had advocated for liberation theology and being soft on crime.
this is the opposite of progress desu, having tons of shitty little feudal lords/mob bosses is regressive

I don't know much about theology (because I'm not a faggot) but the end result of most protestant states was major increases in efficiency and reduction of waste. Firstly this was due to dissolving retarded production systems like monasteries and their monopolies, having separate church law for clergymen, etc. And then this momentum carried over into things like abolishing the horribly inefficient common land system, or dissolving guilds. This is say nothing of the actual idea of the Protestant work ethic.
But it's also because once you nationalize the spiritual, you stop having fifth columnists every time your geopolitical goals aren't in line with Pope's. You can't really have a nation in a catholic country.

because of all this, places like Sweden went from backwards shithole to major military hegemon, regularly winning battles with 1:4 odds against them.
and that was with fucking SWEDES. If France had actually become a protestant country, I have no doubt they would have completely dominated Europe forever.

>>17931331
I refer to 'progressivism' in the modern sense. Fighting for minority rights and such, opposing militarization, etc.