Thread 17927830

What are some philosophical ideas which rape your mind?

>>17927830 (OP)
you'll die a virgin

The Ship of Theseus idea is really interesting to me.

>>17928686
I find the solution for the ship of Theseus as "the ship of Theseus will be whatever ship Theseus says it's his"

So, no matter how many times he changes his ship, it always be his ship

But the ship is not special at all, and it doesn't not matter how and what it's changed, because the ship will be whichever Theseus says his ship is

Something is special because you make it special, and nothing else

Quantum Suicide is great

In Quantum Mechanics, a particle isn't defined in a position until it's visualized

That means the particle is in 2 places at the same time

Quantum Suicide refers to you are experiencing all states at the same time all the time, even death

But you only experience life

So if there's a bottom that when press has a 50% chance of killing you, no matter how many times you press you will always live, but others will see how you die in each opportunity, just not in this "version" of reality

>>17927830 (OP)
>Absolute non-existence
>the true nature of qualia
>the substrate of existence
>the unknowable unknowing
Genuinely mysterious or at least hard to wrap your head around.

>A structure contradicting fundamental logic
We would just have to invent new logic then. Kind of like when Frege's version of set theory got BTFO by Russell's paradox. If this happened with, say, first order logic, it would be really shocking, but the reaction wouldn't be to embrace the contradiction, it would be to abandon first order logic and look for something similar but noncontradictory to replace it, so I don't feel like it would ultimately be that meaningful.

>infinite recursion of meta-causality
The answer is simply that not everything has a cause. This is unintuitive at first but not that bad once you get used to the idea.

>consciousness without subject/object duality
>the simultaneous totality of all possible experiences
You're just describing stuff that would be pretty wild if it existed, but doesn't. I mean maybe you feel like you experience these things on mushrooms o algo, but I don't buy it.

>Timelessness as a state, not an absence
This one just seems confused. Timeless DOES mean no time, just like weightless means not having weight and being bitchless means having no bitches. Maybe I just don't get this one though, idk.

>A dimension beyond all known dimensions
This one is definitely confused. A dimension can just be anything quantifiable and continuous. So yeah I can imagine a fifth dimension fundamentally unlike space and time: temperature. Or here's another: density of a material. Even a dimension unlike anything you're familiar with wouldn't necessarily be anything crazy.

>>17927835
Not me, I had sex with (your) mom

>>17928720
Nature of the self can get in the way of this, thank God. Not sure why your pattern (exactly repeated an infinite number of times) would be preferenced over another self or other kind of brainstate entirely too. Also, the dreadful end result, I'm pretty sure this would mean that all of us would be, from the vantage of our subjective experience, immortal, and we'd the all of us be around, most likely alone, through the heat death of the universe. If the odds aren't 0 this could happen, and if the version of selfhood in quantum suicide is right, and if the world splits every time anything ever happens, then it will happen that you're sentience will be trapped alone in the heat death. Will happen to everyone. Luckily there are a dozen and a half leaps being made here and every one of them is highly questionable. Completely undesirable.

>>17927830 (OP)
>why does this specific wavelength of light produce this color
I understand the point of this question is to ponder the actual phenomenon of sensation itself, but you can also answer this under the idea that our eyes evolved to differentiate colors that are relevant to us in order to navigate 3D space. One could argue that it's less "this one particular wavelength makes red" and more like "all these other wavelengths don't produce red" because colors only have meaning relative to themselves if that makes any sense

>>17928760
> a dimension unlike anything you're familiar with wouldn't necessarily be anything crazy.
It seems to me that we have a natural set of dimensions that our intuition can grasp. Anything beyond that relies either on analogies (psychological space mapped to geometrical space) or abstract mathematics (quantum mechanics formulas).

>>17928717
This is Nominalism.

>>17928858
Didn't know it has a name, I will search about it

>>17928798
> our eyes evolved to differentiate colors that are relevant to us
There is also some low-key mindfuckery here: subjective experience is lossy by design. Our brains don't perfectly copy reality. They throw out tons of info, giving us a compressed, simplified (and kinda wrong) version of the world. What else are we filtering out? Reality might just be unbearable noise we've evolved to ignore.

Remember that invisible gorilla selective attention experiment? We will never know if there is such a gorilla that brain evolved to igrnore around.

>>17927830 (OP)
there is some mind raping in this stack
http://files.catbox.moe/0tjvc9.pdf