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Anonymous No.17928099 >>17928224 >>17928334 >>17928375 >>17928570 >>17928636 >>17929879 >>17931878
Well Poisoners
Jews are in rebellion against God because they do not hail the Son as Lord. They seek to overthrow the Lord of Heaven, and so have placed themselves against God as the enemies of all mankind. Also, jews killed Jesus.
Anonymous No.17928108
>pretend to be a Christian as an excuse to whine about jews 24/7
Many such cases.
Anonymous No.17928224 >>17928243
>>17928099 (OP)
Christian anti-semitism is very stupid because it's clear that according to the old testament jesus is a heretic. It's honestly quite a feat to make the jews look so sympathetic.
Anonymous No.17928230 >>17928591
Reminder all of the people in the OT are jewish. Jesus himself is jewish, and so were his apostles
Anonymous No.17928238 >>17928246 >>17928718
Claim A: Jesus prophecized the end of times would come within the lifetime of his disciples.
Proof: Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32.

Claim B: It didn't happen.
Proof: Historical consensus.

Claim C: Jesus was a false prophet.
Proof: Claim A, claim B and Deuteronomy 18:22.

Claim D: Jesus deserved to die by biblical standards.
Proof: Claim C and Deuteronomy 18:20.
Anonymous No.17928243 >>17928278 >>17928288
>>17928224
Jesus was prophesied in the Old Testament
Anonymous No.17928246 >>17928276
>>17928238
Claim A is false
Anonymous No.17928273
Why do antisemites worship a Jewish god?
Anonymous No.17928276 >>17928521
>>17928246
>I can't read
Anonymous No.17928278
>>17928243
He wasn't, stop coping.
Anonymous No.17928288 >>17928303
>>17928243
>Jesus was prophesied in the Old Testament
Maybe if you read the bible backwards.
Anonymous No.17928303 >>17928316 >>17928347
>>17928288
The entire OT was literally one verse after another proclaiming the arrival of the Messiah, you idiot
It is right in Genesis where God cursed the serpent that his head shall be crushed by the heel of Eve's seed

Eve's seed, not Adam's, which is super ridiculous as women have no seed. Then Mary's virgin birth happened

OT had 180 prophecies about the Messiah
Jesus fulfilled 120 and promises to fulfill the other prophecies on his return

The next Messiah was Bar-Jesus, who fulfilled only 8
Anonymous No.17928316 >>17928340 >>17928344
>>17928303
>The entire OT was literally one verse after another proclaiming the arrival of the Messiah, you idiot
Yeah, and he wasn't supposed to get horribly tortured to death.
>Jesus fulfilled 120 and promises to fulfill the other prophecies on his return
Like I said, you only think that because you read the OT looking for Jesus, meaning you read the NT first.
Anonymous No.17928334
>>17928099 (OP)
Based. Luther was right.
Anonymous No.17928340 >>17928342 >>17928375
>>17928316
Bitch, Jews were waiting for the Messiah even before Jesus
Anonymous No.17928342
>>17928340
>Bitch, Jews were waiting for the Messiah even before Jesus
And?
Anonymous No.17928344 >>17928352
>>17928316
>Yeah, and he wasn't supposed to get horribly tortured to death.
>Isaiah 53
Now post that horrific cope you ripped off from the rabbis
Anonymous No.17928347 >>17928359
>>17928303
>It is right in Genesis where God cursed the serpent that his head shall be crushed by the heel of Eve's seed
When did Jesus crush the head of a snake? Oh right, you retconned the story so that the talking snake is Satan. The Old Testament is not "one verse after another" about the Messiah, 90% of these supposed Messiah prophecies are invented by heavily reinterpreting the source material and taking small snippets out of their original context. In the context of Genesis 3, God isn't there to deliver a comforting forecast about some far future salvation, he's delivering a curse and punishment. The curse (or rather part of it) is that humans and snakes will always be enemies.

Your implication that Jesus is the seed of woman because he was born from a virgin, I have to admit, is one I haven't heard before. Are you implying that Mary produced semen and was impregnated by it? That she was a hermaphrodite? That's news to me. My guess would be that God is using "seed" in a loose sense that has nothing to do with the different male and female reproductive roles, but I don't know enough about Hebrew to really say. Anyway, I'm sure you're counting Jesus's virgin birth as one of the 120 fulfilled prophecies even though there is no proof it happened, which is another problem with the claim that Jesus fulfilled so many prophecies.
Anonymous No.17928352 >>17928363 >>17928367 >>17928722
>>17928344
>Isaiah 53
Is talking about the nation of Israel.
Anonymous No.17928359
>>17928347
Serpent in Genesis means 3 things

Noun: Serpent
Verb: Shining
Adjective: Divinator

Lucifer is the greatest of all the angels, hence Shinning and Divinator make sense.
The serpent is given by the fact that Serpents in the Levant are considered holy animals and a symbol of divinity. Genesis tells you the opposite - the serpent is evil
Anonymous No.17928363 >>17928370
>>17928352
Good job for saying the line. The Servant is explicitly distinguished from Israel in 52:13-14 and messianic prophecy continues into chapter 54
Anonymous No.17928367 >>17928374 >>17928398
>>17928352
nah... killing babies and doing genocide more gross than nazis doesn't make satan's synagogue fulfill Isaiah 53. In fact jews today aren't even "Israel", they lie about their identity and claim to be something they can never be.
Anonymous No.17928370 >>17928377 >>17928386
>>17928363
>The Servant is explicitly distinguished from Israel in 52:13-14 and messianic prophecy continues into chapter 54
No, 53 is still about Israel.
Anonymous No.17928374
>>17928367
>nah... killing babies and doing genocide more gross than nazis doesn't make satan's synagogue fulfill Isaiah 53. In fact jews today aren't even "Israel", they lie about their identity and claim to be something they can never be.
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
Anonymous No.17928375
>>17928099 (OP)
While medieval Europeans, especially peasants had some justification to hate the medieval Jews, I don't really blame the Jews for hating them back, especially considering they were endlessly subject to persecution for the stupidest shit.
>>17928340
Their Messiah is very different from yours. The actual one is supposed to do things, rather than just be homeless and die then show up after a non-specified amount of millennia to do all those things.

Nor that he would institute a regime of water soaking and ritual cannibalism to replace mosaic law but whatever.
Anonymous No.17928377 >>17928398
>>17928370
Jews aren't "Israel"
Anonymous No.17928386
>>17928370
>the Servant is distinguished from Israel and defined as the Messiah right before, but then it switches to being Israel because my religion is false otherwise
Anonymous No.17928398 >>17928441 >>17928533
>>17928367
This is untenanble revisionism. It's so evidently wrong arguing about it is like arguing the sky is blue.
>>17928377
They are 1/6th (maybe 1/4th) of it, technically, considering the twelve tribes are mostly lost.
Anonymous No.17928441 >>17928592 >>17928961
>>17928398
>untenanble revisionism
I wish it was that, but jews are committing a genocide way more gross and inhumane than the nazis ever did.
Anonymous No.17928521
>>17928276
he's right though. the "son of man coming into his kingdom" happened with the resurrection. that's when he attained the title granted from the Father and given all authority of earth.
Anonymous No.17928533 >>17928549
>>17928398
Jews aren't even "jews", they're whites larping as a bronze age tribe to which they have no blood relationship.
Anonymous No.17928549
>>17928533
>Jews aren't even "jews", they're whites larping as a bronze age tribe to which they have no blood relationship.
This tired old cope? Do you have nothing new?
Anonymous No.17928570 >>17928575
>>17928099 (OP)
Jews worship the God of the Bible.
Anonymous No.17928575 >>17928586
>>17928570
1 John 2:23 says no
Anonymous No.17928586 >>17928597 >>17931776
>>17928575
1 John 2:23 claims that Christians do not worship the God of the Bible because it contradicts Exodus 20.
Anonymous No.17928591 >>17928595
>>17928230
If you are a Christian, you don't believe that who we know as Modern jews are real Jews
1) because the Son of God said they're not Jews, and are lying about it.
2) Because "Modern Jews" don't follow the Torah, they follow the Babylonian Talmud which is Satanic.
this "you worship a Jew' argument is a semantic fallacy used by ignorant people and intentional deceivers.
Modern Judaism is a vastly different, even opposing religion to the religion of Moses and Abraham. For example, they trashed the commandments against false witness and against murder (Torah) yet would not set foot in Fort Antonia (the Roman fort) because they believed that setting a foot on non-jew land would make them unclean for passover.

Oh well. See you tomorrow using the same semantic fallacy in your attempt to lead people away from true Judaism that we call Christianity.
Anonymous No.17928592 >>17928605
>>17928441
>jews are committing a genocide way more gross and inhumane than the nazis ever did
25% of israel is muslim arab and none of them are being killed. How is it a genocide? Is a war where you warn civilians to evacuate beforehand a genocide? Have they killed anywhere near 6 million people? Fuck are you talking about, man?
Anonymous No.17928595 >>17928599 >>17928727
>>17928591
Where does the Babylonian Talmud contradict the Torah?
Anonymous No.17928597
>>17928586
>Exodus 20.
Triune God... One God who has three Persons.
It's entirely Biblical.
You can't understand it obviously, we just accept it. As the Son of God said, we are to come to him as children; not as Luther or Aquinas or Calvin or Smyth or some other egotistical delusional person who thinks he can know everything.

I did the same thing when I was writing engineering orders for the shop to do. I couldn't explain everything to them, I expected them to just roll with my engineering paper.
If they wouldn't do it, I got another tech who would.
Anonymous No.17928599 >>17928651
>>17928595
many places. Here's a few.
Anonymous No.17928605 >>17928644 >>17931744
>>17928592
when did a genocide have to be of 6 million or more?
The genocide is the Gazan people... They're under a war criminal aid embargo that is forbidden by international law.
2 million Gazans don't have enough food, and what is there, they IDF snips at the starving children who are trying to get it. That's demonically evil and if you enjoy or just support it you're taking part in murder.
Anonymous No.17928636
>>17928099 (OP)
Does anyone actually read any of the scripture? The ones that do these things are not Jews. Why do you call them such when you know they are not?
Anonymous No.17928644
>>17928605
Was the october 7th attack on civilians demonic or not?
Anonymous No.17928651 >>17931813
>>17928599
>sodomy with a child of less than nine years, no gulit is incurred
>thou shall not lie with mankind
Well there you go, if it's a child under nine years then it's not a man :^)
In seriousness, I'm going to guess it means no guilt is incurred by the child, and that these are all similarly out of context.
Anonymous No.17928718
>>17928238
>Claim A: Jesus prophecized the end of times would come within the lifetime of his disciples.
>Proof: Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32.
In Matthew 16:28, his statement was fulfilled a few days later with the Transfiguration.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are from the Olivet Discourse, which is a separate passage and a different statement entirely. You seem to have built your argument on the basis of equivocating between these and Matthew 16:28, but they are entirely separate statements and prophecies.
Anonymous No.17928722
>>17928352
>Isaiah 53
It's about every saved person who was once a sinner before finding Christ.
Anonymous No.17928727 >>17928781
>>17928595
You keep using the word "Torah" in the sense of "Oral Law." We're talking about the Bible here, the Old Testament and New Testament. This is the written law.

It's not the fake "oral law" of the pharisees or the modern Babylonian Talmud, which you refer to misleadingly as "Torah."
Anonymous No.17928781 >>17928791
>>17928727
The Torah has never referred to the old testament as a whole. So you are making up false usages of that word. Neither has it ever referred to the new testament by anyone.
Anonymous No.17928791 >>17928801
>>17928781
>The Torah has never referred to the old testament as a whole.
I agree.
>So you are making up false usages of that word.
Where?

The Torah is usually assumed to be talking about the written or Mosaic Law, the first part of the Old Testament. That is part of the Bible.

But some Talmudists will try to create confusion by referring to their oral manmade traditions as "Torah," but secretly in the back of their mind they mean "Oral Law/Torah," which is actually part of, or all of, the Babylonian Talmud, which is not in any part of the Bible at all. I clarified that we are talking about the Bible here, and the Torah that's part of the Bible. You now seem to be trying to misrepresent something I said and at the same time, haven't denied that what I've been saying about your deceptive use of words is true.

Instead, you've tried to flip the argument by accusing me of doing the same thing, but without good reason. However, in doing so, you only prove that you understand the nature of what I've charged you in your apparent misuse or deceptive use of the word "Torah." At the same time as all of this is happening, there is a deafening silence around your lack of denial that I am actually correct.
Anonymous No.17928801 >>17928834 >>17928837
>>17928791
Where did I use it improperly? My only post was asking where how the Babylonian Talmud contradicts the Torah.
Anonymous No.17928834
>>17928801
>Where did I use it improperly?
See the following quote.
Anonymous No.17928837 >>17928859
>>17928801
>My only post was asking where how the Babylonian Talmud contradicts the Torah.
Thus you are a Talmudist.

As to where they contradict, there are plenty of examples. Since you ask, here are a few contradictions in text form given below, and you can see the image for some additional ones.

—Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a gentile (BT Baba Kamma 113a).
The above contradicts the ninth commandment from the Ten Commandments, "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

—A man is not guilty of murder if he causes a poisonous snake to kill a man; the snake should be executed for murder, while the man goes free (BT Sanhedrin 76b, 78a).
—If someone ties up his neighbor and the neighbor dies of starvation, or if he incapacitates a man in the presence of a lion and the lions kills the incapacitated man, the man who was the perpetrator is not guilty of murder. (BT Sanhedrin 77a).
—Killing a terminally ill person is not murder. (BT Sanhedrin 78a).
The above contradicts the sixth commandment from the Ten Commandments. "Thou shalt not kill."

—It is permissible to cheat a gentile in court. (BT Haba Kamma 113a).
—A Jew need not pay a gentile the proper wages owed him for work (BT Sanhedrin 57a).
—Property of gentiles is like the desert; whoever among the Jews gets there first, owns it. (BT Baba Bathra 54b).
The above contradicts the Ten Commandments which says, "Thou shalt not steal," and the word from Leviticus 19:13, "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him:"

—If a Jew is tempted to do evil, he should put on dirty clothes and go to a city where he is not known, and do the evil there. (BT Moed Kattan 17a).
The above contradicts the word from Leviticus 19:18 and the Gospel: "thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

—If one committed sodomy with a child of less than nine years, no guilt is incurred (BT Sanhedrin 54b).
The above teaching contradicts Leviticus 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Anonymous No.17928859 >>17928957
>>17928837
>Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a gentile (BT Baba Kamma 113a).
This is taken out of context. The Talmud is a commentary, and should be treated as a commentary
>Apparently, it is permitted to deceive a gentile.
Is immediately followed by the following:
>The Gemara challenges this assertion: But is robbery from a gentile permitted? Isn’t it taught in a baraita: Rabbi Shimon said that Rabbi Akiva taught this matter when he came from Zephirin: From where is it derived that it is prohibited to rob a gentile? It is from the fact that the verse states with regard to a Jew who has been sold as a slave to a gentile: “After he is sold he may be redeemed” (Leviticus 25:48),
It was a discussion regarding the ethics of lying to a gentile who purchased a Jew as a slave.
Anonymous No.17928957 >>17930956
>>17928859
You stupid jews need to be severely punished collectively whenever any of you breaks the Law given to Moses on the mountain. Your deceitfulness and murders are the number main reasons why you are not a holy people.
Anonymous No.17928961
>>17928441
I was talking about the latter part of your post. Not the thing in the middle east.
Anonymous No.17929879
>>17928099 (OP)
>Well Poisoners
they are that. black death was also on them
Anonymous No.17930956
>>17928957
jews are liars who can't redeem the covenant, they deserve to be destroyed for failing to keep the Law
Anonymous No.17931744 >>17931754
>>17928605
>Soutce: Mentally-ill jihadists
Anonymous No.17931754
>>17931744
The biggest death camp on earth is the one run by jews called Gaza, and you sicko jews are exterminating them way less humanely than the nazis did.
Anonymous No.17931776 >>17931780
>>17928586
1. No it doesn't
2. The God of the bible is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You're worshipping Moloch, Chaim.
Anonymous No.17931780 >>17931785 >>17931818
>>17931776
>Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is three
Anonymous No.17931785 >>17931797
>>17931780
You jews are idolatrous liars, worshiping your devil and trying to destroy heaven. The trinity is one God in Christ.
Anonymous No.17931797 >>17931817
>>17931785
>You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Anonymous No.17931813
>>17928651
>I'm going to guess it means no guilt is incurred by the child
If this is indeed the interpretation given by the gemara (no such thing is in the mishna) it would still be contrary to God's holy law since no such exception is made in scripture. Thus the Lord declared concerning the rabbis, "You make the word of God of no effect by your traditions of men".
Also, the Talmud perverts the lex talionis. The rabbis interpreted it to mean that monetary restitution shall be made to the victim, but this interpretation is impossible under Deuteronomy 19:18-21, where it is given as the reason for why a false witness shall suffer the exact penalty they sought to bring on their victim. And Leviticus 24:17-22, where it is concluded "Thus the one who kills an animal shall make it good, but the one who kills a man shall be put to death."
Anonymous No.17931817 >>17931821
>>17931797
Catholics aren't Christian
Anonymous No.17931818 >>17931823 >>17931830
>>17931780
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and the same God.
Anonymous No.17931821 >>17931826
>>17931817
>>You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Anonymous No.17931823 >>17931826
>>17931818
So they're the same person?
Anonymous No.17931826 >>17931831
>>17931821
Those ones ain't Christian neither.
>>17931823
No, they're the same God.
Anonymous No.17931830 >>17931847
>>17931818
Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

https://bible.com/bible/111/deu.6.4.NIV

Note: not three-in-one, just one. No wonder strict monotheists like Jews and Muslims question your Trinity. Even the Eastern Orthodox have given up trying to explain this bizarre teaching by saying "it is a mystery."
Anonymous No.17931831 >>17931847
>>17931826
>No, they're the same God.
>>Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is three
Anonymous No.17931847 >>17931853
>>17931831
Does your inability to argue against the Trinity without misrepresenting it unsettle you?
>>17931830
>Note: not three-in-one, just one
The shema's exact wording in Hebrew is "the Lord one", the insertion of "is" in an English translation is interpretive. The shema was given as Israel's creed in contrast to her pagan neighbors who recognized and worshipped many gods, the meaning of "the Lord is one" is that He is the only God. Since monotheism is a strictly definitional quality of the Trinity this is in no way inconsistent.
>strict monotheists like Jews and Muslims question your Trinity
The muslims deny the Trinity because their deeply ignorant false prophet told them to, not understanding what he was denying. The Jews deny it firstly from influence by the aforementioned muslims, and secondly to give themselves a stumbling block against Christ. The Trinity is nothing less than strictly monotheistic and to affirm more than one god is to deny the Trinity. What these religions are is Unitarian, of which there is nothing in scripture.
Anonymous No.17931853 >>17931857 >>17932260
>>17931847
In the Old Testament where is the trinity? Can't blame Jews for rejecting something that conflicts with their religion.
Anonymous No.17931857 >>17931868 >>17932251
>>17931853
The Trinity was revealed in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:18). The Old Testament does not mention it because it had not yet been revealed, but that's not the same thing as contradicting it, but you knew that already and you're being deliberately slanderous.
This being said, there are shadows of the Trinity in the OT e.g. the Lord on earth rained fire on Sodom from the Lord in heaven.
Anonymous No.17931868 >>17931882 >>17932251
>>17931857
I thought that was an angel or angels? How does God destroying a city lead to the trinity?

If the trinity was true since the beginning, certainly you'd find better evidence for it in the Hebrew Bible, which you accept as divinely inspired scripture. But we don't?
Anonymous No.17931878
>>17928099 (OP)
>Also, jews killed Jesus.
they may have killed a lot more than that. jesus might have been an essene, going from his narrative. essenes suffered some odd misfortunes that sound like biowarfare, or maybe just poor sanitation. then they fled to an encampment at masada. where they were joined by zealot sicarii...
Anonymous No.17931882
>>17931868
>I thought that was an angel or angels?
Not according to the text of Genesis
>If the trinity was true since the beginning, certainly you'd find better evidence for it in the Hebrew Bible
Non sequitur
Anonymous No.17932251 >>17933205
>>17931857
>>17931868
proverbs mentions the Son of the Father to be revealed; this person being the one sharing covenantal meals with Abraham and Moses, the one speaking with Elijah and Moses on the mountain. Father, Son and Spirit are all referenced through out the old testament but it comes front in center with Jesus.
Anonymous No.17932260 >>17933061
>>17931853
it doesn't conflict with their religion, the pharisee's short sightedness just prevented them from understanding what the messiah would really be. they were expecting a hammer to destroy roman occupation, not some humble servant to bring everyone into the fold with radical critiques of their mosiac law adherence.
Anonymous No.17933061 >>17933063 >>17933205
>>17932260
>it doesn't conflict with their religion
>>>Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is three
Anonymous No.17933063 >>17933066
>>17933061
>The trinity is one God in Christ.
Anonymous No.17933066 >>17933095 >>17933288
>>17933063
Did Christ bring the Jews out of Egypt?
Anonymous No.17933095
>>17933066
>jews are idolatrous liars, worshiping your devil
Anonymous No.17933205
>>17933061
>And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
there are hundreds of examples of the Spirit of God working through out the ot.

>She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”
who was Hagar talking to? who was Joshua worshipping outside of Jericho? why did Hosea call the angel God? and here >>17932251, more examples of the Son appearing through out the ot. these are pre-incarnate appearances of the Son of God.
Anonymous No.17933288
>>17933066
Jude 5 says yes.