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Anonymous No.17928396 >>17928511 >>17928520 >>17928666 >>17928794 >>17928984 >>17929082 >>17929737 >>17930784 >>17930931 >>17930975
Why was communism seen as a radical chic movement in underground music & cultural circles in West but fascism wasn't? Pic semi-related.
Anonymous No.17928511 >>17928773 >>17928915
>>17928396 (OP)
I think a fascist ethic is actually compatible with a lot of mainstream culture. Some anons will balk at me saying this, but the guy they should be looking at to join their fascist group are the kind of guys who think Tony Montana is an aspirational figure, or the people who read lurid pulp novels glorifying Al Capone in the 1930s. (George Orwell wrote about this in "Raffles and Miss Blandish.") It exists in MMA culture. Nationalism, power-worship, success-worship, and successful cruelty are all very good. Alt-right aesthetics also influence mainstream culture, notably (plot twist) in Israel (watch towards the end if you don't believe me):
https://youtu.be/ha-8LO0seaM

A lot of this is pretty bad. But I wouldn't say that people with a reactionary view of life can't make good art. There are a lot of good reactionary writers in fiction. Or something like Norwegian black metal. But far-right stuff is usually bad when it's trying to chase something like punk music. I don't like punk but I'm told that Skrewdriver was the one good Nazi punk band.
Anonymous No.17928520 >>17928677
>>17928396 (OP)
Because fascism isn't radical.
Anonymous No.17928556 >>17928658 >>17928875 >>17930242
There’s always been a fascist aesthetic in certain post WWII countercultures. Bikers wore iron crosses, swastikas and black leather, and the jackboots and black leather look was picked up by the gay BDSM underground. A lot of that style carried over into punk and metal even if the bands weren’t overtly right wing. Sid Vicious had his signature look of red T shirt and swastika, which was watered down into a hammer and sickle in the Sid and Nancy movie. Every big stadium show with its immersive spectacle is influenced by the Nuremberg rally, even if it’s some hippie crap or pop princess. Even if most pop music is “leftist”, when it’s time for dark and edgy, fashy aesthetics provide reliable shock value.
Anonymous No.17928557 >>17928697
Anonymous No.17928658
>>17928556
>Every big stadium show with its immersive spectacle is influenced by the Nuremberg rally
Based The Wall enjoyer
Anonymous No.17928666 >>17928778
>>17928396 (OP)
Because there was just a massive war fought against it
Anonymous No.17928677
>>17928520
There were radical elements in fascism, especially in its early days, but most radical fascists faded into irrelevancy. Neo-Fascism and Neo-Nazism, on the other hand, are unquestionably traditionalist/reactionary.
Anonymous No.17928684 >>17928775
Because counterculture was 50% Soviet funded 50% Jewish producers in the music industry and academia shilling for them.

Portland used to be known as the neonazi city with 1/5 niggas there being skinheads only to get raided by the feds
Anonymous No.17928697
>>17928557
He was doing a character, also he was out of his mind on coke o algo
Anonymous No.17928712 >>17928875
Simple: Hippies like rebellion, and Communists like rebellion.
Anonymous No.17928773
>>17928511
>A lot of this is pretty bad
In your unsolicited opinion, of course
Anonymous No.17928775 >>17928875 >>17931016
>>17928684
What attracts feds to that shit unlike communism?
Anonymous No.17928778 >>17928808
>>17928666
The cold war was a thing too, satan. People got killed in the USSR too.
Anonymous No.17928794
>>17928396 (OP)
Because of the Cold War. Things like Communism and Satanism hit the perfect note of safe edgy to sell albums.
Anonymous No.17928808
>>17928778
A lot of leftists/radicals in the 60s tended to shrug off the atrocities in Communist countries as either exaggerated capitalist propaganda OR they actually believed the actual communist propaganda that the victims were all traitors and reactionaries. The level of cognitive dissonance in Western lefties during the Cold War was fucking insane, and it wasn't until the late 80s/90s that they started to admit that Communism was fucked. Even to this day a lot of radical lefties will pull the classic "REAL communism has never been tried" line or blame the failures of communism on everything and everyone but the actual communist states.

Another way of thinking about it, is that academics and midwits think "facism is bad because it deliberately killed people!" while thinking that everyone who died under communism was just an unintentional victim, or someone who deserved it.
Anonymous No.17928875 >>17928992
>>17928556
>Every big stadium show with its immersive spectacle is influenced by the Nuremberg rally, even if it’s some hippie crap or pop princess.
Laibach caught onto this and would cover stuff like Queen songs with the lyrics changed to German as a troll
https://youtu.be/ZZAD7W3M4zc

>>17928712
>Simple: Hippies like rebellion, and Communists like rebellion.
To be honest, a lot of old-school communist music is stuff like Redgum. (Australian band.) It's a lot of folk stuff like that. Not my taste.
https://youtu.be/aXaczfR_lo0

>>17928775
>What attracts feds to that shit unlike communism?
Violence. The feds go after left-wing groups though. You just don't read about it. They tend to go harder on anarchist groups because the potential for violence is harder. The communists they try to nail on charges of material assistance to proscribed foreign terrorist organizations like the FARC (although they don't really exist anymore).
Anonymous No.17928880
On the violence thing -- the neo-Nazi groups tend to make that a core part of what they're about. It's romantic violence. I'm sure we have some of those guys on this board, but it's like, if you're not beating the crap out of each other, then what are you doing? I'm not judging, it's just a thing. Being prepared to do violence is part of the ethos. But obviously, you're going to attract attraction you might not want.

On the left, you're more likely going to find anarchists popping off. I've seen anarchists where I live show up to things and they were being tailed all the time by feds.
Anonymous No.17928915
>>17928511
them niggas look like gay dominican vampires wtf
no one will ever find it cool to be a pro establishment.
pot bellies, sexpating, southeast asian wives, and talking about dildos and hating women is not "cool"
Anonymous No.17928984
>>17928396 (OP)
>fascism
there is that word again
Anonymous No.17928992 >>17930296
>>17928875
>The feds go after left-wing groups though. You just don't read about it.
I think it was in Britain that it happened but there was this leftist activist woman who had a kid with a guy, one day the dude disappears. Somehow nobody has heard about him in his job, eventually it turned out he was an MI5 agent and what he was doing was saddling her with a kid to take care of so she couldn't do activist stuff anymore.
There was this alt-lite woman who had similar experience.
Big Bongus !!9zfcclmmPlH No.17929082
>>17928396 (OP)
It was
Anonymous No.17929737
>>17928396 (OP)
Because fascism is the real radical movement.
Anonymous No.17930242
>>17928556
That only shows that fascism is closer to communism.
Anonymous No.17930296
>>17928992
This pic is from a Vice article about FBI agents who joined the FRSO, which is a Maoist group in the U.S., but that was awhile ago. They tried to find a material connection to FARC, didn't find anything, and went with hail mary raids on a bunch of their houses, but eventually a grand jury (or something like that) dismissed the case.

There's also various stories out there of local police departments infiltrating left-wing groups. There was a cop (a younger rookie) who joined a DSA chapter in Colorado who had a cover story of being a prostitute ("sex worker") and she was oppressed and therefore didn't want to reveal too much information about herself because she could get in trouble. Pretty clever ruse. This stuff occasionally gets covered by bigger papers but it usually pops up in the activist press. There was another guy in Colorado who was in his 40s who worked as an informant, drove a hearse (really) with a bunch of guns in it, and tried to help set up illegal gun buys on 19-year-old DSA members who found his militant radical left-wing schtick impressive. The plot started to fall apart when one of the would-be marks showed up to a dirty, barely-furnished apartment where the cops were trying to get him to commit to the gun buy and he got weirded out. I think the cop girl was also involved but it's been awhile since I read that story.

There are bored cops, bored homeland security types, that will join activist groups. But like I was saying, I think the more violent groups attract greater attention. Hardcore natsoc groups is like joining Fight Club. Also there was (probably still is) a whole thing with radical environmentalists and animal liberation types. That also usually dovetails with anarchism. Like in the Pacific Northwest.
Anonymous No.17930784
>>17928396 (OP)
Fascism isnt radical its reactionary, national socialism is radical tho, and a lot of underground music and cultural circles in the west used its aesthetics and politics like punk or rock against communism
Anonymous No.17930931
>>17928396 (OP)
Fascist literature stresses the importance of cucking to the state and merging it with corporate entities. Communist literature is full of vague platitudes about rebelling against these entrenched hierarchies. It's obvious which one would resonate with angst teenagers. Especially since the Western world basically co-opted many fascist practices during the cold war to counter the soviets like with Operation Gladio. Nowadays it's all gay and retarded controlled opposition.
Anonymous No.17930975
>>17928396 (OP)
It was. The Dead Kennedys actually made song ranting about fascist punks.
Anonymous No.17931016
>>17928775
>What attracts feds to that shit unlike communism?
Did you fall asleep in history class and miss what happened in the 50s!?