Thread 17929099

I should go to mass more often, I'm catholic but... Priests are so fucking retarded.

When I go to mass there is no community there is no important lesson, just the sermon and everyone goes home. And the priests have the theology of a monkey. Last time in his sermon the boomer priest was praising islam. Unconsciously, like all boomers, but you know what I mean, they are completely oblivious.

I tried going to some catholic conventions and reunions and it's all beanera and how we all have to be hippies and accept endless brown migration. But they don't even make an effort to make newcomers feel welcomed. Its all a show and I'm tired.

I don't feel they are following Christ. But then again what do I known really.

>>17929099 (OP)
>Can you be christian without going to mass
Not a faithful or practicing one, no.
You're not going to mass for a sermon, you're there to off worship and participate in the Holiest of sacrifices.

You are making the Mass about you, and not Christ.

Those priests clearly have a much better understanding of Christianity than you. You hate Christ and do not understand his message, which is why you are angry at gatherings of good Christians.

>When I go to mass there is no community there

Do you help out with activities outside of Mass? Do you engage with people there? I have a hard time believing your parish doesn't do anything. But going from your post, everything seems self centered, and I don't say this as an attack. But to help you self evaluate how you look at the Church and your relationship with Christ.

>Pray, brethren, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father.

Like if you're against going to Mass, you cannot know your faith. Just focus on that line alone and look into what it means.

why are you still propping up this jew worship cult

it never helped anyone other than grifters and people pretending they have authority to kill and torture you

>>17929099 (OP)
Nothing is "necessary" to be a Christian other than Christ
Everything else exists for you to be closer to him. The sacraments, mass, holidays, etc. All are for you to form a deeper relationship with Christ.

Do not be swift to make judgement. The fact that you find the person lacking does not change the fact that God is letting him have the authority to proclaim his words. Even Jesus had to receive his semicha from John the Baptist - an inferior being.

Be humble and follow proper law and order

>Last time in his sermon the boomer priest was praising islam
Protestant Church, I pressure
Go to a Catholic or Orthodox church. They actually studied theology. They are not infalliable but they can be excommunicated for heresies like that

>christianity is when you kill niggers
Perhaps it's not mass but confession you should go to...

>>17929099 (OP)
why are you following a foreign and jewish religion

Stop believing in desert fairytales.

Find a different church. Try different ones each Sunday. If you can't find a Catholic one you like, try one from another denomination. You may be hesitant to try that, but when it comes down to it, isn't a church you like what it's really all about?

>>17929246
Get out satan

>>17929099 (OP)
The percentage of clergy who are same-sex attracted is way higher than the general population.
That fact makes the Catholic Church surprisingly liberal behind the scenes and also largely disinterested in the opinions of the laity who tend to be more conservative.
I guess you could try to do the Latin Mass if it's anywhere near you, at least before they kill it off completely, since it's seen by the episcopacy as empowering too many chuds.

>>17929174
>Go to a Catholic or Orthodox church
The previous Pope wasn't exactly known for being big on putting kebabs on a stick.
>Faced with disconcerting episodes of violent fundamentalism, our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalisations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence
- The Joy of the Gospel, prg 253

>>17929099 (OP)
you should tell your bishop that your priest sucks
my parish always has breakfast after mass

>>17929174
>>Last time in his sermon the boomer priest was praising islam
>Protestant Church, I pressure
You’re a complete moron that doesn’t know how fucked Catholicism is.

FROM THE CATHOLIC CATECHISM:
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).

I'm in a place right now where I can't really call myself a member of the Catholic Church. I believe in the theology and intellectual tradition of Catholicism, but have never been able to find fellowship and community within the actual organization. My experience has been similar to OP's (apart from his far-right rantings). Everybody in Mass just seems like they are there to "eat their cracker" and go home. I've been to services where people don't even turn and offer each other peace, rather a family of four will hug each other and ignore everyone else.

I'm currently trying to get involved in a Bible study group, but it has the problem of being one big already-established group where newcomers are just sort of ignored. Like the kind of people who say to you "Hey how's it going" and then immediately turn their back to go make inside jokes with a friend. No structure or anything to it.

Christianity explicitly calls for fellowship and service, yet I feel more drawn towards practicing it as a hermit and just forgoing organized religion as a whole. Because I'm starting to feel like "What's the point?", might as well pursue an inner spiritual journey than keep trying to force myself into a sense of community.

>>17929099 (OP)
Going to mass is literally the most important part.

>>17929680
I feel like this.

>Christianity explicitly calls for fellowship and service, yet I feel more drawn towards doing whatever I want. Because I'm starting to feel like doing whatever I want.

>I also feel like doing whatever I want.

>>17929788
Thanks Anon, you cured me of my desire to be an ascetic hermit

>>17929099 (OP)
>Priests are so fucking retarded.
If you are clean, go and show yourself to the priests as a testimony.

>what do I known really
I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Lover of Theo (root of theory), so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

You also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

>When I go to mass there is no community
But what about you?
Who do you say I am?
This is not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are the foundation of the church. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Then he told them not to eat the tree at the center of the garden.

Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them.

Present yourself as a testimony.

Or this

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet

Where you are standing is holy ground.

the one criminal next to jesus on the cross who went to heaven never visited a mass btw

>>17929849
no he went to confession and then fucking died
the Catholic dream

>>17929099 (OP)
Try Daily Mass or if you can find a Traditional Latin Mass. Both are very different. I prefer daily mass, I feel like I am participating more, and the choir sort of ruins the responsorial psalms on Sunday.

>>17929099 (OP)
Give an Orthodox church a try
It is much more youthful and family oriented

The Catholic mass is a symbolic participation in the eternal sacrifice of Christ. Mass will still be done whether or not there are actually people in the pews.

Going to mass is to help you connect with the symbology and lead to a higher form of contemplation. If you are distracted from the actual meaning because your too focused on the other people there, then stay home and read scripture.

>>17929849
>>17929914
>paradise is a relative dream

>>17929976
>Orthodox is much more youthful and family oriented

No

>>17929651
>>17929665
Wait for him to deny the Second Vatican Council

>>17929976
>give my incel church a try
lol

>>17929099 (OP)
>I tried going to some catholic conventions and reunions and it's all beanera and how we all have to be hippies and accept endless brown migration. But they don't even make an effort to make newcomers feel welcomed. Its all a show and I'm tired.
Honestly? Are you going to church to have a better relationship with Christ? To partake in the sacraments that only His church can provide? To receive forgiveness and grace that in no way we should be granted, yet through his Mercy he freely gives? You're complaining about "beaners" and how the priest is an older gentleman with a "theology of a monkey" (who are you to question his theology when you yourself don't go to church?) You say that the Church is all a show, but it sounds like your faith is more of a performance for something else (namely /pol/).

>>17929665
You don't seem to understand what the verse
>And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us.
mean

God made each person in a specific time and place for a reason
The Church upholds the dogma that even the ones of a different religion can be save *so long as they pursue their mission
If you already know Christ, your mission is to live according to his will
If you do not know Christ, your mission is to seek him

This doesn't mean that other religions are equally as valid. It means that all who prays earnestly recognizes that they are not the ones in charge and are on their own respective journeys to seek God.

The fact that they have the wrong answer doesn't mean they aren't trying to find it. Heaven is not a reward to those with the right answer. It is a gift to those who want to be with God. Their duty is to find him

>>17930289
I've been to multiple Orthodox churches in my city and it was majority young people (kids, teens and young parents)

>>17930787
You went from saying that it must be a Protestant church, to now defending Islam. The power of the Catholic mind!

>>17929099 (OP)
Yes, the Baptist denomination isnthe way.

>>17929721
Kek

You literally can't be a faithful and go to mass because the mass is an abomination which enrages God. Because of the myth of transubstantiation, the mass is taught to be a sacrifice for the sins of the living and the dead, but according to scripture Christ on the cross put away the sins of His people once and for all. What's more, the bread is worshipped as a god, in violation of all biblical law and reason. Therefore the Romish mass is no Eucharist at all, but a grotesque idolatrous perversion of religion, as is rightly said by the Heidelberg Catechism: "the Mass teaches that the living and the dead do not have their sins forgiven through the suffering of Christ unless Christ is still offered for them daily by the priests. It also teaches that Christ is bodily present under the form of bread and wine where Christ is therefore to be worshiped. Thus the Mass is basically nothing but a denial of the one sacrifice and suffering of Jesus Christ and a condemnable idolatry."

>>17931872
ignatius disagrees

>>17931872
Tell me you know nothing about the Catholic Church without telling me. Luther was a master of rationalizing around his own fear of Hell, and so all of his theology is bunk, based on the anxiety he felt about not being good enough.

>>17931976
Ignatius knew nothing about the mass, which did not exist for about a thousand years after his death.
>>17932068
>Tell me you know nothing about the Catholic Church without telling me
Do you want to see the sources from official documents of the church of Rome, such as the canons of the council of Trent and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which proves everything I said is true?
This objection you all keep making that this factual accurate description of Romanism is like Mormons who don't know what their cult teaches. At the time of the Reformation nobody objected that the likes of Calvin or Ursinus "knew nothing about the Catholic Church". Both sides at the time understood what Romanism really was, and nobody was so deluded to pretend the reformers were misrepresenting it.
>Luther was
We do not follow men as you do, we follow scripture. Luther's anxiety was because he had the honesty to acknowledge his wickedness, which you must lack if you think you can be saved by works.

>>17932355
I see the infallible Pope Anon is going to teach us about scripture
tell us again, how many books are in scripture was it 66? 73? 81? perhaps more? fewer?

>>17932390
As many as the illiterate fornicators in funny hats who bought their positions with money say.

>>17931872
>Heidelberg Catechism
This is anti-Lutheran, btw. That's why it's the basis for the Reformed denominations and not Lutherans, who believe in real substance of the Eucharist.

I used to not understand the third of the three jewels
>I take refuge in the Buddha
>I take refuge in the Dharma
>I take refuge in the Sangha
I used to think the last was unnecessary until I spent time in a monastery and then I understood how the environment helps hold one to account

>>17929174
I have found Catholic Mass to be an utterly pointless experience. It’s just going through ritual mindlessly and reciting 3-5 verses

>>17929099 (OP)
>When I go to mass there is no community
That's unfortunate, but you don't go there for chitchat. Mass is where you meet Christ and accept one of the most profound mysteries he has left us - the eucharist.
>there is no important lesson, just the sermon
That is the lesson.
>And the priests have the theology of a monkey
This is just your ego talking. Theology is participative, not propositional. It is not in arcane concepts and hair-splitting metaphysics. It's in the poor and the needy and there is an outstandingly good chance that there are Muslims walking your city right now who are closer to God than you or I.
>priest was praising islam
As were some saints too. Intellectual elitism is what separates you from true theology, not what connects you to it.
>they don't even make an effort to make newcomers feel welcomed. Its all a show and I'm tired.
This was entirely about your emotions. If those are the real obstacle, then that is good, because that means your main problem will be handled by merely developing your EQ.
>I don't feel they are following Christ. But then again what do I known really.
There is so much hope and light in that last sentence you would not believe. God bless you and props to you for genuinely grappling with this. It's never easy.

>>17932438
>being Reformed is "anti-Lutheran"

>>17930823
No they werent. Fuck off LARPer

>>17929099 (OP)
The answer to your question is yes but attending Mass / church is very important. Perhaps consider a different church or maybe even a different denomination OP.

>>17929680
Try another church or denomination. That feeling is not supposed to be there. That Bible study should have made you feel welcome from day one. I just started one at a different Church from my home church and that's how they've made me feel.

>>17929099 (OP)
Some Baptists are reduced to that. They worship the bible so hard that they believe if they have enough Bible Knowledge FactsTM that they can live as faithful Christians wherever they go without needing a service

>>17929099 (OP)
>>17929153
>>17929154
Are Catholics modern-day Pharisees?

>>17929099 (OP)
mass is heretical and unbiblical. Jesus died once for sin, you take communion out of memory of that. However, Catholics pervert the message and created magic ritual in which latin magic words are said and the wine incarnated mystically into actual blood.

1. the bible says magic is evil
2. the bible says never eat blood

JW gang has arrived!

>>17933143
True

Every time I ask, I always get the
>You didn't try enough you are bad
treatment. I want to get closer, I go to church, I see boomers boomerang around, praising islam and saying you have to import a million beaners. When I try to ask questions about the bible I get half assed answers and don't think about it just obey.

I feel this isn't serious at all, just a facade.

>>17934137
Have you tried SSPX, FSSP, or IBP parishes?
Also, you can still become a "Russian pilgrim-like" hermit.

>captcha: BASEDJW

As a Catholic, there are generally parishes which are more oriented towards Young Adult ministries, and ones which are more in 'maintenance' mode.
To start, I would obviously say to continue going to Mass, while engaging in spiritual reading which can deepen your understanding and appreciation for the elements of the liturgy which are independent of your particular priest/parish's strengths (like Dom Prosper Gueranger's 'The Liturgical Year,' or David Fagerberg's 'Liturgical Asceticism'). As others have mentioned, the Mass has objective merits which are not dependent on the priest's character, or the community: principally, this is the reception of the Body of Christ in the Eucharist, and the chance to participate in the worship and thanksgiving which God has ordained to be pleasing to Him.
Then, I would start to plan out attending local conferences for Young Adult/Vocational Discernment ministries, attending those, and trying to find out which parishes have very active young adult ministries. Generally, there will be a really popular local Latin Mass group with many young friendly faithful, perhaps run by the Oratorians, or the FSSP, or the ICKSP (depending on your locale). There may also be a very active Byzantine Catholic group, with often attracts young and zealous converts. There will also probably be a few parishes which have an extremely active fellowship program, usually because the priest is hyper-energetic and works tirelessly to cultivate this community. Asking questions at conferences will probably point you in the right direction.
Struggle hard to find the situation that fulfills your needs: "the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it." The kingdom of heaven is given to those who seek it with violence! Don't be passive.

>>17929174
Missing mass is mortal sin as you're breaking the third commandment.
You keep trying to push your own vision of christianity instead of following the teachings of the church. Why not become a protestant at that point?

test

>>17935231
tren

>>17932925
Yes, that's the point
Catholic and Orthodox mass are a solemn and simple celebration.
You sing a solemn song, the scriptures are read, the Priest explains it and keeps everyone reminded of our duty, we feast on the Eucharist, and then we leave.

It is simple and can be done at any place and time, regardless of things like societal and economic problems

This is not a party like the Protestants are doing

>>17931618
God will NOT make something destined for destruction

Every person, regardless of faith, gender, nationality, and social class, were made for a special reason.

Your duty is to recognize that you are the only one whom God loves

>>17935245
> you are the only one whom God loves
*NOT the only one

>>17929099 (OP)
Yes. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles went to mass.

A better question would be: Can you be a Christian if you go to mass?

>>17935535
Nigga, one of Jesus' hobbies is visiting temples. He spent his entire childhood there

>>17929099 (OP)
Commuting with God through prayer and the study of scripture is a private matter that is done away from public.
Mass is an earthly gathering of a faithful community. They are two different things.

>>17935535
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2014%3A22-25%2CLuke%2022%3A18-20%2C1%20Corinthians%2011%3A23-25&version=ESV

>>17937010
The Lord's Supper is not the mass

>>17937121
The presbyters and episcopate of the Church led by the apostles were mandated by the Apostles to engage in the "breaking of bread," in accordance with Christ's command. The final prayer of the Roman liturgy of the Eucharist, "ite missa est," is used synecdochally to refer to the entirety of the liturgy.

What did this look like, in the earliest days of the Church?
>"Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist [...]" - The Didache
>"Make certain, therefore, that you all observe one common Eucharist; for there is but one Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and but one cup of union with his Blood, and one single altar of sacrifice—even as there is also but one bishop, with his clergy and my own fellow servitors, the deacons." - St. Ignatius of Antioch
>"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes." - St. Ignatius of Antioch
>"“We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus." - St. Justin Martyr