Thread 17929109

How would a dynastic China administer an overseas colony? Let’s ignore the why of it since it wouldn’t make sense.

Do we have any examples to draw from and compare it to? Would it differ between various dynasties, and the types of lands held? What relations would it have with bordering states?

>brown sea
>white land
what a god awful map

>>17929117
Fine this is for you

>>17929117
This is for you

The same way European countries did. Sponsoring shipwrights and armories and placing the ships and crews under the command of high aristocracy with estates and family rooted in their home country. If they capture an island or a port the monarch would install a viceroy who would set up silver mines, monopolies or collect tolls and tariffs from the new trade, the home country may then organize expeditions to expand their territory.

>>17929109 (OP)
The only example we have of an overseas Chinese colony is Qing Taiwan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Prefecture
>The aboriginal lands on the east coast—known to the Qing as the "Land Behind the Mountains" (後山)—were not controlled at all.

>>17929142
Is it fair to compare any overseas territories to any non-overseas ones it had controlled at some point to see what governance would look like?

>>17929109 (OP)
Taiwan is the only example we've got. Otherwise, Singapore could one to draw from. They'd up becoming the majority through migrating Southern Min workers, and eventually secede. Somebody should lookup whether there's an alternate history scenario resembling this.

>>17929196
There’s a few examples of chinese clan governments who were brought to Southeast Asia by colonists and sultans who needed manpower

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongsi_republics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangchu_system
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapitan_Cina

>>17929145
Taiwan is overseas. There's a sea, you have to go over it to get there.

>>17929400
? Yes but from what that other anon linked it was governed as apart of China proper probably because it was so near Fujian (except for some other lands which were eventually integrated).

I was asking if its fair to compare how a potential faraway overseas territory like islands in Indonesia could be governed in comparison or similar to non-overseas autonomous client states like many protectorates China had made south, north, northeast and west over the course of history, or if it isn’t due to much different environments

From what I saw from the other anon, I guess it’ll maybe be like a semi-independent republic based on chinese rules?

>>17929109 (OP)
>YELLOW PERIL

>>17929109 (OP)
>Malaysia
>Sri Lanka
>Oman
>Socotra
>Tanzania
>Ming possessions/colonies
Pure chankoro bullshit. This is why chink "history" cannot be taken seriously. It's filled with outlandish lies only a fool buys.

>>17929117
autism moment

>>17930097
> It's filled with outlandish lies only a fool buys.
anon…

>>17929423
Yes and no. Initially only the areas with Chinese settlers were governed as part of China. In the 1500s Chinese settlers only covered a small percentage of the island. What followed was a 400 year process of Chinese settlers slowly encroaching upon the aboriginal Taiwanese.

Furthermore France governed the Mediterranean coast of Algeria as if it were part of France. Nevertheless it was still an overseas territory of France.

>>17930334
Wouldn’t there be a difference in how an island would be administrated, one on your homeland’s doorstep and one that is in region further away which the travel time would be significantly lengthened especially if there’s turbulent weather? How France Governed Algeria was not the same as other colonies in Africa.

>>17930334
yeah I should’ve worded it differently, technically we already know how a chinese dynasty would govern an overseas territory (Taiwan) but when people think of a colonial/overseas territory, most think of a far flung land/island away from where they are now (like what the maps I posted try to depict), which is what I’m referring to.

But I guess how Taiwan was governed and settled combined with how autonomous chinese communities ran in Southeast Asia gives a rough idea on what to expect. Unless there’s not much fortune to be made, chinese settlers would flow into the territory and displace the natives. If not much settlers come, working with and administering ‘semi-civilized’ natives would be key like in some protectorates and commanderies but ‘uncivilized’ natives would be ignored outside of trade, that’s what I’m getting from this.

>>17929109 (OP)
Its silly to assume the historical conditions which produced colonialism in Europe would have done the same at the same time in China.
Europe sent ships to sea looking to expand markets for its capital.
China sent ships to sea looking for magic.

They were navel gazers with embracingly bad maps even of their own maritime backyards.

>>17931270
> Let’s ignore the why of it since it wouldn’t make sense.
Bruh

>>17929109 (OP)
If we go for the most popular alternate timeline- Ming colonises, then we already have a precedent.

Contrary to popular opinion, they did colonise- but the Chinese have almost always been a land power- and they were busy finishing what the Mongols started by colonising/ethnically cleansing what is today Yunnan.

So in short, not much different from what the Americans/Europeans did
1. Send colonials, military settlers
2. Ally with local tribes willing to kneel and pay tribute
3. Let them be autonomous as you build up your settlements. Call them Tusi.
4. Your settlements reach critical mass, your settlers start taking land meant for the locals.
5. The locals start losing their autonomy and fight back.
6. Claim they are rebelling.
7. Genocide.

>>17931270
I can think about one reason why they would go on an overseas adventure. The Ming- they really loved gold and silver.

So what if someone told the Emperor, there's a Magical Land out there where gold flows down the rivers where the baigui get it all from. What if, what if we can take it for ourselves?

And bang. We get whatever the fuck this is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGTS3PlMvyI

>>17931822
Not even that, you just have show them any exotic animals or unique trinkets to the upper classes and they’ll fund the colonies themselves. Look at how they made the Sulawesi natives harvest sea cucumbers in Northern Australia because there was so much demand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makassan_contact_with_Australia