Thread 17932173

all predicted the US would slowly conquer all of the Americas into one country.
But while the US was consolidating its current borders and struggling into Mexico and Cuba to conquer all of America, suddenly they decided in 1917 to completely give up that entire destiny and instead repeatedly get involved in Eurasian conflicts and fight enemies they can't defeat.
One Woodrow Wilson and the entire American empire dream disappears and is reduced to skirmishes and constant power struggle and economic strife.

IT. MAKES. NO. SENSE.

>>17932173 (OP)
>fate of empires

>>17932173 (OP)
>self destruct

Why go fight a bunch of wars to annex Mexicans into your country and extract their resources when you can just invite them in for dirt cheap labor and get any and all resources you want anyway.

>>17932516
>list of empires
>Nothing Chinese or Indian mentioned.
not a serious analysis of empires then is it?

>>17932558
>Rewrites NAFTA Again
lol lmao kek

>>17932173 (OP)
>fight enemies they can't defeat
The United States did defeat Germany, twice. Even managed to defeat Russia without fighting.

>>17932613
>The United States did defeat Germany, twice
The US believing it ever defeated Germany, or Japan is the most dangerously deceitful thing out there.
The US was definitely on the winning side with more than just a lot of support, but anytime the US actually has to face a powerful Eurasian entity themselves (as they like to imagine they did versus Germany and Japan) they shit their pants or even fail
>confronting USSR post 1945
>Korea vs China
>Vietnam vs China
all these conflicts sent immediate reality shocks through the US administration.

The US is simply two oceans too far away to be a real enforcer in Eurasia against anything but failing and rump states.

>>17932618
The United States did defeat Japan.

The goal of the US was always to create a New England. That includes financial corruption and being the merchant overlords of Europe

>>17932516
>mUh FaTe Of EmPiReS
“Empires only last 250 years” is just a number pulled out of the author’s ass. There is no set date for when empires collapse, it’s not even an average date for when they collapse. The German Empire lasted 47 years, the Ottoman Empire lasted 623 years, the Aksumite Empire lasted 1110 years.

This stupid-ass book constantly flips back and forth on whether the “collapse” of an empire means the end of that country’s status as a great power or the complete end of that entire civilization. It has odd definitions for what an empire even is since it groups all Hellenistic-era polities from Alexander’s empire to the Seleucid rump state in Syria as part of a single contiguous “Greek empire”. It also has nonsensical dates for when an empire collapsed since it claims the Spanish Empire ended in the 1700s (which anyone with a brain knows is nonsense, the Spanish hadn’t even lost their colonies in the Americas at this point).

>>17932648
No it didn't. It at best defeated the japanese navy but thats it.

>>17932692
>flattening multiple Japanese cities
>destruction of Japanese industry
>destruction of Japanese arsenals
>destruction of Japanese ports
>destruction of Japanese rail transport system
>destruction of Japanese agriculture transport system
>destruction of Japanese coast transport systems
>induced famine
>US naval blockade of the Japanese home islands
>millions of Japanese troops on the Asian mainland unable to defend their capital
>destruction of the Japanese Navy
>destruction of the Japanese airforce
>destruction of Japanese supply ships
>destruction of Japanese merchant vessels
>destruction of Japanese oil supply system

>>17932721
>we totally defeated the barren, resourceless, hilly tiny island groups
>who cares about the vast, resource rich, fertile and networked Asian mainland
its okay anon. Its a smart move by the US to show up at the end and join the winning celebrations at the end. Far less Americans die that way.
Frankly, the Soviet union took more land from Japan in Manchuria, Korea, Krill Islands militarily at the end of ww2 than the US did via Philippines, New Guinea, minor islands, so maybe we should say the Soviet Union actually defeated Japan.

>>17932768
The Soviet Union made major contributions to the Pacific War. As did China and the British Empire. But at the end of the day Japan was defeated by the United States. The Japanese themselves admitted as much when they surrendered to the US on the USS Missouri. If they had surrendered to the Soviet Union, your theory would be correct.