Thread 17932335

Can someone explain what the Jewish Question was really about? Google is scrubbing any good results, saying "it was about what should be done about the Jews in Europe". Why would they want to move/remove the Jewish people in the first place?
Please no conspiracy nonsense, this is /his/ not /pol/

>>17932335 (OP)
the conspiracy is the answer anon
they blamed jewish conspirators for deliberately betraying their nation and sought to remove them

>>17932335 (OP)
It's because Jewish ppl push degeneracy. Look at who owns all the labels that push things like violent gangster rap and sexual promiscuity.

>>17932342
So why does an illiterate peasant Jew in Belarus deserve death for that?

>>17932335 (OP)
>this is /his/ not /pol/
Lurk more.

>>17932342
Bro the JQ was started in 1750

>>17932339
Well yeah, I know that happened after WW1, but the JQ goes way back.

>>17932346
Because Jewish ppl are a tribe. Though they push universalism and globalism on everyone else, they themselves are very tribalistic.

>>17932356
Yeah. The same principle applied back then.

>>17932335 (OP)
You can't serve two masters

>>17932335 (OP)
The Jewish questions is essentially:

wtf do we do about these world cosmopolitans who never trully assimilate into other cultures but instead maintain tribal consciousness but pretend to assimilate but secretly practice nepotism and subvert the nations that host them.

>>17932358
this... assimilation for thee but not for me

>>17932576
It's how they attack the "talos" (common goals of people)

>>17932358
>Though they push universalism and globalism on everyone else
Thats mainly the gay ones in Hollywood though. It's like saying every white person is a liberal faggot from Portland.

>>17932596
that statement is trve anon

>>17932335 (OP)
after germany invaded poland, they had far more jews than they did before. so the nazis wanted to find what to do with them.

antisemitism is practically the centre of national socialism. they believed in ''world jewish conspiracy'', meaning that jews controlled finance (''international jewish finance'') as well as other industries. ultimitely they believed jews would lead to the death of all life on earth.

Jewish racism stemmed from their radically held beliefs after enlightenment and their general lack of financial morality (being slumlords, usurious rural money lenders, peddlers and thieves). These are long held stereotypes across Europe since first contact with Jews.

Now there was this thing called Volkism which was a left wing populist nationalist pagan revival movement. In that movement they were highly racist against Jews because they saw them as tainting the full power of the German state. They didn't really give any ideas on what to do about the Jews, they just didnt think they were pure enough to create a utopia. That's the Jews question. In the event of a volkish populist movement what is to be done with the Jews?

Even posing this question had millions of Jews pouring out of central Europe which is mostly what they consider the Holocaust

>>17932335 (OP)
Posts here use it wrong all the time. Marx coined it to highlight Judaism, which he saw as a problem.

It stems mainly do the misconception that Jews killed Jesus, and the stereotype that they are obsessed with money.

>>17932335 (OP)
>Why would they want to move/remove the Jewish people in the first place?
Because they are a separate people. And a nation as autistic as Germany naturally has a problem with a cog in the societal machine that doesn't spin with the rest. This goes back all the way to Luther, who was a vicious anti-semite (which was likely amplified by his theology), and since then you see Germans try to scapegoat Jews every now and then. It could have been the Gypsies, but they were too poor. It could have been the Poles, but they were too familiar. The scapegoat had to be rich enough to envy, foreign enough to dehumanize and historically inconvenient enough to create lore and long-term propaganda.

From a wider perspective, it's not just that Jews are a perfect scapegoat, it's also the circumstances that created a need for a scapegoat. For centuries we were gradually eroding any religious or spiritual social fabric. By 18th century the universe is seen as completely mechanical and inert, beauty and goodness are seen as stuff that goes on in the mind and mind itself is speculated to just be an organizing process, much like AI today. People lost all touch with humanity and all they had to lean on were political narratives - Marxism (which rarely achieved anything) and nationalism (which joined hands with imperialism and its success). so when Germany was falling apart post WW1, society didn't have many options besides betting on the most promising narrative on the political scene.

>>17932797
no he didnt. he used the phrase and was antisemitic but he didnt coin it.

>>17932335 (OP)
"The Jewish Question" was just "what do we do with jews in Europe?" And it was a question that predated Nazis and Hitler and wasnt really left or right wing as both sides debated on the answer. Usually when people talk about it now, they are specifically referring to the Nazi answer to this question which was to kill all the jews in Europe through a continent wide genocide.

>Why would they want to move/remove the Jewish people in the first place?
Jews were a perpetual minority and it was always causing issues with ethnic strife with pograms/race riots breaking out across Europe. Within Nazi dogma, Hitler proposed that jewish people were sort of genetically disposed to being a perpetual outsider. Jews, according to Nazi belief, could never actually be integrated into any society or country, be it France, Germany, The United States, Russia ect. They would always conglomerate around themselves and they also thought that the Jewish Religion was essentially a sort of cultural framework that they formed for themselves which is why jewish ethnicity, and not religion, was so important to them. A lutheran german who turned out to come from a jewish great grandfather who had converted was jewish to them for example.

Because of this, Jews would always exist as a sort of fifth column for Germany and because of this, the Nazi solution to "the german question" was to kill them all

>>17932335 (OP)
There still is a "Jewish Question", it's just in Palestine instead of Europe.

>>17932860
>misconception that Jews killed Jesus
Did they not?

>>17932335 (OP)
Jews are a genetically distinct ethnoreligious group that began crawling out of Russian and Polish-Lithuanian ghettoes around 400 years ago.
Because they trace their ancestry to the people of the Bible this gives them an advantage to enter into Western Christian society. But once they successfully infiltrate Western countries, they do not become part of the culture, rather they maintain their own ethnic clique and ruthlessly attempt to grab onto any and all mechanisms of power within the society.
The Nazis (German ultranationalists) didn't like Poles or Russians in general but in particular they hated Jews for the perceived influence Jews have over countries such as France or the United States. They believed there was a worldwide Jewish conspiracy to eradicate the Germanic race from the Earth.

>>17932966
>Because they trace their ancestry to the people of the Bible
They don't actually they're fakers.

>>17932335 (OP)
'Jewish Question' essentially stemmed from nationalist rural niggas who had recently migrated to cities resenting urban Jews for holding established, respected professions (which their families had secured generations earlier) such as shopkeepers, doctors, or teachers. In response, they carried out their own version of DEI by expelling skilled individuals and promoting themselves instead. That’s all it was. A look at historical urban demographics makes this clear.

>>17932342
Ah yes, gangsta rap. That was absolutely a thing in 1925

>>17932358
Whilst this is not incorrect, it's really no different than any other minority religion, race, or ethnic group that's ever existed. Koreans in the United States in the 90s looked out for other Koreans. Mormons look out for other Mormons. Christians in the first two or three centuries AD during Roman purges looked out for other Christians.
The real issue with Jews isn't that they look out for their own; it's that they're very very good at doing it.

My favorite /pol/ schizo claim is that Jews - an ethnic group that only started showing up en masse in the United States in the 1880s, and arrived in the North, and were poor, simultaneously made up the majority of the plantation owners in the antebellum South

>>17933185
And they are very good because they a high IQ. (higher then many whites) So it is a bit like blacks being mad on whites being too influential.

>>17932966
What about non-ashkenazi jews?

>>17932596
I'm sure all 4 Jews living in Wyoming or the Dakotas are based and redpilled

>>17932963
Cruxifiction is pretty famously a Roman form of execution

>>17933191
>made up the majority of the plantation owners in the antebellum South
I'd like to see anybody actually prove this, it would be interesting to actually see something proved in a holocaust thread

To give you an honest answer, the Jewish Question concerned how to deal with the Jews as a separate population within Germany and in the expanded German Reich. What's important to note is that, from the start, the Nazi Party concerned itself with establishing the Jews as an "other" population socially, culturally, and legally through propaganda, playing on historical German antisemitism which had existed as an axiom of German political and historical thought since the Medieval period, and through legal doctrine such as the Nuremberg Code. By establishing the Jews as the "other" they could then treat them entirely apart from the rest of the German population and this naturally lead them to ask "What do we do with them?" If you look into the Wannsee Conference notes that were kept by one of its attendees, diplomat Martin Luther, you can see the active debate around this from political, military, and legal angles given by the people at the conference, the conference is important in understanding the Jewish Question because it was called by Hermann Goering under Hitler's implied guidance to give an answer he could present to Hitler. The Jewish Question boils down to "We have them fenced off legally and culturally from the rest of the German population, what do we do with this population now?"

>>17933191
I thought the theory was that they owned the slave ships and controlled the slave trade? Anyone who's actually studied it (like me) knows that isn't true, despite what that bullshit sourceless /pol/ infographic says
It just pisses me off so much when people promulgate lies they know aren't true to besmirch someone/something they don't like. It's like how my local Prevention Council has a billboard up in my small town about "vaping causes POPCORN LUNG". Anyone who's actually looked into it knows that isn't true, even the NIH website says vaping doesn't cause popcorn lung and there have been 0 cases. Not meaning that to defend vaping (vaping is bad for other reasons) but spreading a lie is just fucked up

>>17932574
>wtf do we do about these world cosmopolitans who never trully assimilate into other cultures
Most Jews did (and do) integrate though, the holocaust went after everyone with Jewish blood, even those who'd converted to Christianity, only spoke German, and never took part in Jewish rituals.

>>17932860
low effort bait

>>17933191
This is an insane and contradictory cope I see a lot. The reality is that there were southern jews in the antebellum south that owned slaves, but most /pol/ kiddies are stupid and have no concept of this. The sort of southern bigot paranoia about jews doesnt really exist until like the 1920s at the earlist.

Their brains are blown out by this and they make the conclusion that ALL slavery was done by jews who scapegoated the whites. Its a sort of cheap get out of responsibility for slavery move and nothing more.