Thread 17933499

Do history teachers need to make their curriculum more logical?

sounds like typical "I am le smart unlike you" crap you see every teen post, until they inevitably encounter other scenarios where it doesn't hold up and realize they were being a fool

>>17933506
I'm out of highschool relatively recently and I don't think I heard a single positive critique of America in any history class. Well except of course when they defeated the heckin unwholesome "objectively evil" nazis!

>>17933499 (OP)
No that meme is retarded, teachers teach about good and bad in every era, including 1939-1945. Such as putting US citizens into concentration camps based on race, waiting until after america was directly attacked in 1941 to enter the war and destroy fascism, and engaging in bombing campaigns knowing they would directly kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

What if America was evil back then too, but just the lesser evil, so obviously they'd look good in comparison?

>>17933499 (OP)
Not teachers per se more like libtards who go on and on about how America was a racist white supremacist country oppressing black people and genociding native Americans but each year on D-day anniversary they discover their sense of patriotism and post how epicly we kicked nazi asses and that GIs would be horrified to see how racist their country became.

>>17933527
Only because you spent the whole time staring at your phone instead of listening. Posting such a stupid meme of cherry picked nonsense to justify a ridiculous premise destroys any credibility that you are speaking in good faith, by the way.

History teachers love to glaze Roosevelt and other commies like lbj. But yes basically you are right

>>17933551
I don't have jewish physiognomy so if Hitler had won then I would be living in a white and prosperous world right now. But because they lost I have to live amongst sub-human filth.

>>17933551
What is cherry picked?

>>17933541
oh my bad. I should have remember that history teachers never give america a break and instead shit on it relentlessly. Idk why I thought a government employee would ever praise america. I should know better than that.

>>17933563
Sorry for preferring to have a decent QOL. I'm a fool for wanting better than to live amongst human cockroaches.

All teachers learn in university is repeating buzzwords for bien-pensant headpats.

>>17933561
All of it

>>17933499 (OP)
This isn't true lmao. Americans are obsessed with glorifying their historical figures, most obviously the Founders, but Abe gets his fair share of dick-sucking.
Sheeeit, even in liberal Jew York city in the arts community full of leftists and people who hate conservatism and apparently America, the most famous play of the last 20 years is...dick sucking Alexander Hamilton

>>17933569
"Behead those who insult Islam" isn't cherry picked. Most Muslims really believe that.

>>17933560
Hitler was a german supremacist, not a mere antisemite. The entire ideology was that germans are a supernaturally superior race meant to rule the world, and therefore anything a german does to a nongerman is inherently justified, and additionally that the individual german is a disposable pawn who exists for the benefit of the collective to die at the leader's command. This ideology completely failed when put to tge test. Germans were not, in fact, supernaturally superior.

Why do you hate your own freedom and autonomy so much anyway? Are you really that desperate to be someone else's slave? Is your life that pathetic that you want someone else to stage manage it for you? Telling you what job you can have, sending you to jail if you quit?

>>17933567
>has to resort to posting ai slop when he cant even find a cherry picked photo to justify his retardation

>>17933579
>Most Muslims really believe that.
Ok big mouth, lets see your source on that.

>>17933499 (OP)
DONT YOU FUCKING DARE TALK POSITIVLEY ABOUT THE 50S YOU FUCKING NAZI
even tho that generation were the one to kill nazis

>>17933551
But you post no argument whatsoever

>>17933499 (OP)
It's a mystery why

>>17933583
Historical source:

>The words of Ibn Abbas, a prominent jurist and companion of Muhammad, are frequently cited to justify the death penalty as punishment blasphemy:[6]

>Any Muslim who blasphemes against Allah or His Messenger or blasphemes against any one from amongst the Prophets is thereby guilty of rejecting the truth of the Messenger of God, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. This is apostasy (ridda) for which repentance is necessary; if he repents he is released; if not then he is killed. Likewise, if any other person [non-Muslim] who is protected under a covenant becomes hostile and blasphemes against Allah or any one of Allah's Prophet and openly professes this, he breaches his covenant, so kill him.

>—Ibn Qayyim al Jawziya

Modern day:

>On Jan. 17, 2023, Pakistan’s National Assembly unanimously voted to expand the country’s laws on blasphemy, which carries the death penalty for insulting the Prophet Muhammad. The new law now extends the punishment to those deemed to have insulted the prophet’s companions, which could include thousands of early Muslims, with 10 years in prison or life imprisonment.

>Blasphemy is punishable by death in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania and Saudi Arabia. Among non-Muslim-majority countries, the harshest blasphemy laws are in Italy, where the maximum penalty is two years in prison.

>Author: Ahmet T. Kuru Professor of Political Science, San Diego State University

https://theconversation.com/the-politics-of-blasphemy-why-pakistan-and-some-other-muslim-countries-are-passing-new-blasphemy-laws-198647

>>17933577
you don't know anything about NYC

>>17933614
your argument was not that a number of shithole muslim dictatorships have brutal apostasy laws. That was never in debate. Your argument was that "most muslims really believe" in "behead those who insult islam"

Nothing in your article supports that claim.

>>17933622
>Muslim law says to kill those who insult Idlam
>Muslim countries have laws to kill those who insult Islam
>Yet Muslims do not actually want to kill those who insult Islam.

Sure.

>One of the most famous victims of this double persecution — by both the authorities and the vigilante militants — was Asia Bibi, a Christian mother of four who was accused of blasphemy and sentenced to death in November 2010 following a minor dispute with co-workers on a farm because she drank some water before her Muslim co-laborers and thus “dirtied it.” She spent eight years on death row in solitary confinement until her acquittal due to lack of evidence. Then she had to flee to Canada in May 2019 to escape the militant Islamists who still wanted to see her dead. In the meantime, Salman Taseer, the late governor of Punjab, who merely called for “mercy” for Asia Bibi in 2011, was assassinated by his own bodyguard, Mumtaz Qadri. The bodyguard was executed for murder in 2016 but died as a hero among the militants. More than 100,000 people attended his funeral, and even a mosque was raised in his name. Shahbaz Bhatti, a Christian, the federal minister of minorities affairs, was also killed because of his stance against blasphemy laws and in support of Bibi.

100,000 people who do not want to kill those who insult Islam show up to the funural of those who kill those who insult Islam. Yet another coincidence. Just like the beheadings of people who draw Mohammed or burn the Quran. More coincidences of peace.

>>17933583
read the got damn koran you internet faggot

>>17933577
>dick sucking Alexander Hamilton if he were a metrosexual black man
Fixed that for you

>>17933581
Is there no middle ground between "be an ardent racial supremacist bent on world conquest" and "flood your country with the rapiest browns this planet has to offer till your people no longer exist"?

>>17933634
Do you think everything done in a dictatorship is supported by the common people living there? Do you think the people who flee dictatorships to go to free countries agree with everything their dictator did, and that's why they left their country and went to the other side of the globe? Also Pakistan has a population of 251 million people. 100,000 people showing up at this funeral, even assuming they all went there because they believe in "behead those who insult islam" is 0.04% of the population, not "most" of the population. That's concerning that those people think that, but your point wasn't that some muslims are retarded savages, it was that most muslims believe in behead those who insult islam.

>>17933645
yes there is a ton of middle ground, because the latter is not actually happening.

>>17933650
Yeah the evidence on the ground in basically every Western city says otherwise, the only reason to deny it is complicity to at least some extent.

>>17933650
Update your propaganda guidebook, we past "stop noticing, it is not happening" stage, we already at "it is happening and it is a good thing" stage

>>17933654
I live in NYC, and that is not even remotely my experience. You are arguing in bad faith.

>>17933660
What is your evidence that "flood your country with the rapiest browns this planet has to offer till your people no longer exist" is happening

>>17933654
When was there last time you were raped by brownie? Don't trust the media.

>>17933647
Do you think it's even possible for an entire country to show up to a funeral? What kind of argument is this? People can live in other cities or have work. Funerals in Islam happen within 24 hours. 100,000 showing up to a funeral of a guy killing in the name of Islam shows broad support. You are clearly arguing in bad faith. Even if "only" 20% of muslims believed this it would still not be considered "Cherry picked." Even in this case, where the woman said almost nothing bad compared to eg. burning a Quran "One survey reported that around 10 million Pakistanis had said that they would be willing to personally kill her out of either religious conviction or for the reward.[40]" That's 10 million *personally* offering to do it, not just supporting it generally. In the context of the original image, it would be considered "not cherry picked" if a person insulting Islam had a reasonable fear of being killed for doing so, which is the case in every muslim country, and is also true in France and Sweden where this has happened multiple times. You don't need every single Muslim to kill you to get killed, only one has to do it.

>Do you think everything done in a dictatorship is supported by the common people living there?
In this case yes, all these cases happen because the local muslims go nuts when someone insults Islam and report it demanding the person to be killed. It's not the government going around looking for it. In fact the oppposite happened in this case:

>Khalid Sheikh, the prison superintendent, said that while he wanted her to be treated "like any other prisoner", she had to be kept away from other inmates for her own well-being,[62] as other individuals accused of blasphemy had been killed while in prison.[15][63]

>>17933701
>Do you think it's even possible for an entire country to show up to a funeral? What kind of argument is this?
the point is your argument that 0.04% of the country went to a funeral therefore the whole country believes this is a weak one.

>You don't need every single Muslim to kill you to get killed, only one has to do it.
ah so now we've moved from "most muslims" believe in behead those who insult islam, to "one is too many," interesting

What an incredible retreat from your original point that this is something the majority of muslims believe.

>>17933664
It's because you don't want to see it, I grew up in the SF Bay Area and used to think the same way till the societal rot and hostility of nonwhites became impossible to ignore.
>>17933675
Never because I'm 6ft and don't relax, but I absolutely would not let my gf ride transit or walk around downtown alone in most US/EU cities at this point.

>>17933499 (OP)
>>17933527
What topics did you cover at school?
You're a yankoid so you must've covered your civil war where the good guy white government marched in to save all the slaves.
Or with the revolutionary war were you taught the British were the good guys who should've won?
Point is stop being retarded.

>>17933709
The original point was that that part of the image is not cherry picked. I never said most muslims don't want to kill those who insult Islam. All I said was that even if I gave you that point for the sake of the argument, that part of the image is not cherry picked as it represents a large enough sentiment that publicly insulting Islam, for example, as a public figure like proffesor or activist, incurs a credible threat of being beheaded, such that everyone would agree that public figures will consider such a threat when making remakrs about Islam, much moreso than of any other religion, and this was never true until muslims were imported into europe.

>>17933771
Lincon is racist now and didn't really care about slaves

>But in some circles, “Honest Abe” is increasingly becoming Racist Abe.

>Questions over Lincoln’s racial views have intensified over the years as historians, activists, and politicians question how Lincoln regarded Black people and Native Americans.

>Lincoln’s racial views also have been the subject of recent protests. Protesters in Portland recently vandalized a statue of Lincoln, while another statue was recently removed from a Boston park because some thought its depiction of Lincoln standing over a bent freed slave was demeaning.

>And earlier this year, a school board in San Francisco voted to change the name of a school named after Lincoln because of his treatment of Native Americans. The school district has since paused the school renaming process after a public backlash.

>the revolutionary war were you taught the British were the good guys who should've won?

Both sides were racist and should have lost. The revolutionaries were the American gentry, not the proletariat or native Indians. Maybe not HS but a lot of unis are teaching this now.

>>17933647
Since those 251 million Pakistanis aren't doing anything to change their blasphemy laws it is a sign of tacit approval. They don't have to actively call for the murder of muslims and non-muslims that break this law, their apathy in defending their fellow citizens is all the condemnation needed.

>>17933794
>historians, activists, and politicians question how Lincoln regarded Black people and Native Americans.
>The revolutionaries were the American gentry
That's called nuance, things are rarely ever purely black and white, saying some of the people in charge had flaws is hardly the same as saying the US was evil for freeing the slaves or fighting for independence, and I somehow doubt they've ever gone as far as saying that.
I bet they also tell you about how the US interned Japs during ww2, does this also mean they're telling you the Nazis were the good guys?

>>17933499 (OP)
Well, the US does do a lot of good vs evil preaching about the years of WW2.

If you're focusing on a narrative where the US are the good guys, it's pretty much the only war where we clearly have the moral high ground.

In nearly every conflict, it's kidney-punchingly obvious that we were the bad guys going to war for all the wrong reasons and committing war crimes a-plenty.

It's only WW2, and possibly our position opposite of Russia in the Cold War, where you even have a case to make that the US was good (and even then our proxy wars with the commies in Korea and Vietnam were all wrong).

The American right-wing history teacher/professor, doesn't have a lot to go on to promote their narrative that we are good. So you'll find 90% of the time, they're "Band of Brothers-ing" about WW2.

>>17933820
Tearing down Lincoln statues isn't nuance, it's a clear sign of rejection. It's exactly part of the goal of framing the US as Evil from it's begining until the present day. In regard to the revolution I can say for a fact that many Maxists see the revolution as actually a step backwards compared to monarchy, except in as much as Captialism is neccesary to bring about communism or whatever. I know this as I have seen this argument first hand. By communist I mean the muh global south/brown people/imperialism communists. Their entire world view is based on the anti imperialism framework where capitalism *is* imperialism. A capitalist ruling class arising from an imperial colony is about the worst thing imaginable to them. They don't see it as an advacement at all and in fact the current US is their proof of this with the US being the new Britain for them and the source of most modern evil and suffering. So there are no good elements or silver lining to the revolution. (And france was going to revolt anyway according to them the US did not affect that, which may really be true idk.)

>>17933861
Korea was great. We should have went all in on that one.

>>17933499 (OP)
The creator of this meme is out of touch with reality.
As usual.

>>17933568
Doesn't say it's a bad thing

>>17933642
Lin Manuel Miranda is Latinx

>>17933863
>Tearing down Lincoln statues isn't nuance
Yes it is because Lincoln is not the same thing as the USA. You clearly understood my point about Japanese internment, if these people can regard the USA as the good guy despite disagresing with some policies during ww2, then they also can regard the US as the good guy in your civil war or revolution despite disagreeing with policy or the character of those in charge.
>can say for a fact that many Maxists see the revolution as actually a step backwards compared to monarchy,
You're a retard, not that Marxists are in favour of Bourgeois revolutions, but they regard them as part of the natural progress forward towards communism. No one who truly believes in Marxism would say they prefer monarchy to Bourgeois democracy.
Also Marxists haven't made up the majority in historical academica since the 70s or 80s, it's all postmodernism now, which is about focusing on individuals and rejecting the idea of any grand historical theory of progress. I think you're confusing the two, postmodernism focus on individuals is more probably the cause of critique of Lincoln or Washington, as opposed to Marxism which focuses on economic processes and things, and may actually lead to people favouring monarchism (though I think you're making that up)
>And france was going to revolt anyway
This on the other hand is more aligned with the Marxist viewpoint. A postmodernist might point out how the revolution was exacerbated by the famine, and if delayed a few years the discontent would have been much milder, though they may also hold this opinion.

I was a history major and my entire exprience through highschool and college was my clearly jewish professors demonizing white people and shitting all over American culture. We learned about "le heckin civil rights movement" again and again and again. Nothing else mattered to them. Needless to say it backfired and I now hate niggers and kikes far more than I did before.

>>17933569
What are your pronouns le xir?

>>17934319
Did you actually graduate?

>>17934330
Yes

>>17934319
What university did you go to?

>>17934319
Very interesting
No I don't want the fries with it, just the burger and the coke

>>17933650
dog the only population growth in european descended countries for the last 20 years has been immigration

>>17933559
>and other commies like lbj.

LBJ implemented mass sterilisation for Blacks and natives.

>>17934374
>>17934424
Nice try FBI

>>17933897
>but they regard them as part of the natural progress forward towards communism.
see:
>except in as much as Captialism is neccesary to bring about communism or whatever
>They don't see it as an advacement at all and in fact the current US is their proof of this with the US being the new Britain for them and the source of most modern evil and suffering.
To say "US is good" in this view is just to say that imperial colonial capitalism is good. It's a meaningless point. In the context of teachers teaching "who is a good guy" you will not hear Marxists sing songs for capitalists since they are actually the ones bringing about comunism. The US revolution set the stage for the US to be what it is, which is an imperial capitalist racist colonial evil country that fought against the interests of natives, brown people and communists worldwide, ending the spread of communism by military force. Without the US revolution we may have more communism now.
>which is about focusing on individuals and rejecting the idea of any grand historical theory of progress.
*Focusing on White individuals as promoters of racist colonial captialist imperial sexist ideology and brown individuals as sufferers of the same
>Yes it is because Lincoln is not the same thing as the USA.
Well, all White people are racist. That is what they think, and that is what they say. And they says that it is true even now and much more so in the past. The civil war was about federal control and tarrifs. The south just happened to be worse than the north moraly.

>>17934468
He increased the number of brown people five fold and advanced the welfare state allowing ugly useless people to have unlimited children

>>17933771
Why do euros think their edu system is better? White suburban schools in the US score higher in every metric and score much higher taking European tests than Europeans do European tests.
So tired of Europoors thinking that living among relics gives you some mystical inaccessible knowledge about them.

>>17933527
Literal nonsense

American school is all
>America is great, we beat brits, we beat Germans, we beat communists. Democracy LE GOOD!
The only thing they’re critical of is slavery

>>17933650
>White genocide isn’t happening but it’s good that it is
????
>>17933581
None of this is true.
Hitler was a German Statesman who put German interests above the interests of say Africans or Americans.
Your concept of German supremacy is jewish projection. In the Talmud it says any action taken by a jew against a gentile is justified.
That jews are supernaturally (chosen) superior to other races and must rule them (Tikkun Olam).
>completely failed
Wikipedia battleboxes actually are a good metric of generalized racial quality. The Germans were superior.
>freedom and autonomy can only exist when the state is abolished
Funny.
You’re either Jewish or your post is rageb8.

>>17933664
What evidence would you need to see? To admit Whites are being replaced in their own countries?
>NYC
Jew?

>>17934596
Hitler was a faggot nordicist. He murdered millions of blonde haired blue eyed Slavs for being racially inferior. He was not some pan European white exceptionalist.

>>17933527
>We can't not devolve into degeneracy without the austrian painter man!
Never stop self-reporting, krautfag. Daily reminded that you fags used degeneracy as an argument for "good" against "bleak and boring" USSR

>>17934480
>Noooo they'll know who I am
Unless you went to some piddling tiny university there'll be at least a hundred or so history students each year, and we wouldn't have a clue which year you started. So don't be a faggot, people might start thinking you're lying
>>17934494
>see:
This does not mean they prefer monarchy as you claimed.
>The US revolution set the stage for the US to be what it is,
Yes that's the whole bourgeois revolution angle, which according to Marxists is part of the natural progress towards a communist society.
>Without the US revolution we may have more communism now.
Now you're disagreeing with the Marxist narrative of autocracy to Bourgeois state to dictatorship of the proletariat again?
Make your mind up.
Anyway, all this is getting off track. I sincerely doubt American academia is full of Marxists, as I said that's been out of style since the 80s. You might provide examples, textbooks perhaps?
>>17934586
Where did I say that? You're the one bringing this up out of nowhere.

>>17933499 (OP)
No the meme is wrong, american history never once says we were in the wrong

>>17934951
Seethe kike I don’t post my personal info on this fed honeypot

>>17934955
Too bad, sorry, we'll just have to ignore your claim then.

>>17934962
>Too bad, sorry, we'll just have to ignore your claim then.

I think you’re lost

>>17934976
I think that's an unimaginative comeback and you could do much better.

>>17934951
>Yes that's the whole bourgeois revolution angle, which according to Marxists is part of the natural progress towards a communist society.
>>Without the US revolution we may have more communism now.
>Now you're disagreeing with the Marxist narrative of autocracy to Bourgeois state to dictatorship of the proletariat again?
1. Once the prolitarian revolution began, capitalists were already no long need. So already by 1870 they are just in the way. If the US was a bit weaker than perhaps capitalism would fall more easily.
2. If if not, this main point stands:
>In the context of teachers teaching "who is a good guy" you will not hear Marxists sing songs for capitalists since they are actually the ones bringing about comunism.
Would a jew say hitler is "good" because he created Israel indirectly? "Neccesary" is not the same as good. Take a look at the OP pic again. The question is if the US is evil or not. The US is evil according to marxists. The revolution advanced this evil. Again I've had arguments with people that say this. They see zero good in the revolution or any single thing White people did in America outside perhaps science which they see capitalists as leeching from, not supporting (certainly after 1870 as noted).
>I sincerely doubt American academia is full of Marxists, as I said that's been out of style since the 80s.
That's not because Marxists lost but because they won. Now they shifted to whiteness studies and george flyod studies because nobody disagrees with them so it's not worth discussing.

>>17933560
LoL man couldnt run 1 countries economy in peacetime much less wartime. His country would be south africa tier, but with less fuel and less tires.

>>17933499 (OP)
America was evil from the very beginning. The only decent war America got into from 1776 to 2025 is the 1999 Kosovo war which they half assed and didn’t want to get involved with because they were planning 9/11 with Israel to fight Muslims and Kosovo was inconvenient because Albanians are Muslims and Israelis love Serbs, they even sold them weapons during that war and Serbs today sell weapons to Israel to genocide Gazans!

>>17933499 (OP)
In Germany in the early 20th century there existed two rival conceptions of history, one who drew from Kant and assumed all history follows logical patterns and illogical stuff isn't history at all and historicism which believed in a living history of impermanent embodied institutions and human relationships over time. American history simply blends the two in that the irrational is logical except for a brief window in time where it wasn't therefore thats considered historical and the rest of American existence is ahistorical, setting the tone for all that came after.

>>17935185
>brown hands typed this

The school-aged population of the US is minority-white, isn't it? 'US history' is going to be very appealing to most of them. They were either not around for most of the history of the US, or they were slaves/indentured servants/etc.

As far as American history goes quite literally every single antagonist in the past ~200 years has been done with no other context other than they were evil and bad doo doo heads.

>>17935226
Name one single American war that was righteous and not blatant land grab or niggery like ww1/2?

>>17935267
>niggery like ww1/2?

What does this mean

>>17935271
America was the bad guy in both wars. Americans are not Romans, at least Rome conquered in self defence. American Anglo-Kike Masons are a force of terror for 250 years.

>>17935285
>Rome conquered in self defence

>>17933499 (OP)
The reality is that America has been the good guy throughout ever era of its existence.

>>17935267
Barbary wars, Indian wars where they were being paid and armed by Brits/Frenchies/Dutch

Uhhh. Mexican American war because fuck Mexicans. Uhh. 1812.....

That's about it

>>17935318
Oh the korean war was just because we got to kill Chinese

>>17935285
> at least Rome conquered in self-defense

I seriously hope you're joking. This board is so low quality it's hard to tell.

>>17935321
Over one million Koreans got killed and raped in the Korean war.

>>17933499 (OP)
Trump thinks so.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/08/19/politics/trump-slavery-museum-smithsonian

>>17933499 (OP)
What a dumb meme. What academic historians debate how "evil" a society was?

>>17935360
Yeah they should be thankful for us saving them

>>17933506
>>17933499 (OP)
Is it really do be like that in America?

>>17935540
>academic historians
>teachers in school
???

>>17935267
Grabbing land is a good thing, little brown man

>>17936856
If you go to an ivy league college in the US and study history your entire class will be brown foreigners and the professor and guest lecturers will be open communists that say the US has no racial or cultural history

>entire thread is some rightoid screeching about DA JOOS and brown people because he can't get pussy
many such cases!

>>17933564
one day you'll grow the fuck up and realize that you don't deserve praise just for not being a complete fuck up

>>17933551
>good faith
>on fucking /his/
oh nonono

>>17937978
>everything is about my pp and sex
why are you "people" so grossly depraved?