Thread 17934442

Olmecs are based as fuck, I wish I could chill with the Olmecs and see how they made these giant head statues. How did they do it, /his/?

>>17934442 (OP)
just find a big rock and spend the next 6 months chipping away at it with bronze tools

They'd shave your frail white body and torment your little brown hole.

>>17934456
They did not have metal tools. Only obsidian at their most solid.

>>17934466
were they just obsidian tools? for some reason i thought they had copper/bronze tooling

all I remember from my ancient history course was that my professor seemed to think Africans and olmecs would trade and communicate with each other and used the giant olmec heads as an example of this, because he kinda looks like a black guy

>>17934442 (OP)
Their Zeta Reticulan bros taught them everything.

>>17934477
>for some reason i thought they had copper/bronze tooling
Nope. They had no metal tools, not even copper.

>>17934477
Metallurgy got to prehispanic Mexico during the late 13th c., when Toltecs were around and still, it was only gold and silver to some extent; and for jewels.
Most common interpretations of Olmec giant heads is that it represented monarchs/chieftains (according to Ann Cyphers and Michael Coe, they even claim there were indications of lineages) ; and/or sacrificial heads related to fertility rituals (Caterina Magni and Christian Duverger).
The idea of Olmec being of Phoenico-African descent or trading with Africans isn't viewed nor accepted as a credible theory. It's mostly based on the assumption that native American peoples weren't capable of creating anything original which fueled white supremacists claims to dominating Mexico politically (to some critics that is)

>>17934477
your professor is fucking retarded and should be banned from teaching

>>17934442 (OP)
The olmecs were actually giants who roamed the earth. Before their death their heads would shrink and solidify into the statues you see today

>>17934477
Metallurgy only got to Mesoamerica around the same time the Middle Ages were going on in the Old World. Before that, they really were building big pyramids and cities with nothing but flint and obsidian (and still mostly were afterwards since they usually used metallurgy for ornamentation)

>>17934478
You don't know SHIT about Olmecs

>>17934442 (OP)
>how
chisels maybe?

>>17934502
You're thinking of South Americans, Mexico and Central America acquired metallurgy from them

>>17934699
>chisels
the absolute state of /his/

>>17934502
They had bronze.
There has been found bronze in the west of prehispanic mesoamerica, in the huaxtec region owned by the aztecs, in toluca, hidalgo and also Tenochtitlan, since Bernal Diaz del Castillo seems to describe a bronze axe in the tlatelolco market.
Dont spread misinformation

>>17934525
yeah he was definitely an activist professor right out of a Fox news skit
he was an afrocentrist, an unapologetic marxist, a chinese futurist, and epistemic nihilist, did not believe that rome ever fell, nor that anything in america was distinctly american or of any value and believed ‘the time of US world power would end soon in favor of China’
also for some reason he brought up and seemed to think the verses in the Bible talking about homosexuality were only referring to rape

>>17935040
See >>17934517
Bernal is a 16th c. source from the Spanish conquest anyway. It isn't sufficient proof to say Olmecs (~1250 - 300 BC) mastered bronze technology and made tools of it. Plus, there isn't any archaeological find to prop your point up

>>17935125
I never say olmecs knew metalurgy, metalurgy appeared till the the end of the classic and beginning of the posclassic in mesoamerica.
What im saying is that despiste the popular thought there was knowledge of bronze in mesoamerica.
My sources:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17742754/
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=c06127bb68ef8b4bb4757bf08adefec6e0841540

>>17935154
OK then, I understand now

Who invented Olmecs

>>17935243
Olmecca

Its worth noting that sometimes they'd want a specific stone for these so they'd be carved like 70km away and then MOVED into population centers

>>17934442 (OP)
They were "rocking" a selfie amirite?/

>>17934477
American education right there. And no that face looks as beaner as all those panchitos in spain

>>17934527
kek

>>17934477
Your professor should be dragged into the street and beaten

>>17935431
This
Olmec heads just have the fucking mexican andy phenotype you can find on every fat injun all over LatAm, american nogs and their worshippers are just uneducated and think every native american must look like a plains indian and everybody from south of the border must look like an LA cholo

Those heads are big as fuck where did they get the idea to make them so big? It couldn't have just come from nowhere.

>>17934477
The African conspiracy is hilarious
It looks like an average Mexican

>>17935823
Dios mio...

>17935823
Mexicans have negroid ancestry because of the iberimutts and african slaves tho

>>17934478
how far it is?

>>17935823
>like an average Mexican(mixed)

obsessed o algo

>>17935046
he's perfect for /his/

>>17935046
>nor that anything in america was distinctly american or of any value
he is right

this is not a sculpture of a human head you can't convince me this isn't a alien

>>17934442 (OP)
>>17934975
ok then some slurry mix of water & sand to wear away at the stone.........

>>17936384
>>17936480
the dude in that pic is clearly a fat indio

>>17937282
corn diet and soda is a hell of the drug

>>17936688
the more I look the more I'm convinced it's a alien. I've been looking at it most of the afternoon.

Fat mongoloids look like that.

>>17934442 (OP)
With tools. People turn this shit into a fuckin le epic mystery but it's just tools and know-how. Someone fed their family using their expertise to carve OP's picrel on commission from some noble. That's it.

>>17937712
>With tools.
Wow, anon, thanks for the in depth explanation

They do not look human. I have no idea where you guys get these bizarre ideas.

>>17936688
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion

>>17939427
If anything the erosion has made it more human. In any case, jungles don't cause that much erosion because they block wind.

>>17939430
alright nice bait, you had me going for a bit but you got too obvious here. better luck next time.

>>17935046
Good God. And they try to tell us that our University system isn't left skewing

>>17936480
The autism of the racial caste system in New Spain is intense

Did they eat a lot of junk food or take a lot of corticosteroids back then? The faces look horribly swollen and monstrous.

>>17934442 (OP)
>>17934477
>>17935046
>>17935823
I have a fat Mexican coworker who looks exactly like an Olmec. He's from that particular region where these are found as well. I guess afrocentric niggers have never been to California or Texas.

>>17939455
This particular painting was more like one of those "ogro de las americas" shitposts, given that they use "Tente en el aire" (Hang in the air) and "No te Entiendo" (I don't understand you) as names for humoric purposes.

>>17939964
I mean sort of, thats kinda just how they look naturally, but its a result of years of evolution from their diet. They had corn based diets and corn breaks down into sugar when digested, plus they also had chocolate and sugar and shit. They've evolved to process sugar differently and get fatty in various places, that's why latinas are thick as hell(but also prone to obesity)

>>17934442 (OP)
Smack big rock with small rock
Pieces fly off
????
Big head

>>17937408
>>17936688
you mean illegal alien right?

Meh.
Mayan scultures are more interseting

Mayan King pakal statue

>>17940096
This. Primary tools would've been pounders of quartzite or other durable rock, using progressively smaller ones for detail work. Most of the fine detailed stuff is either in softer stone where they could use hardstone chisels or required abrasive cutting tools.

They rolled chunks of basalt down mountains and then hit them with hammers.

>>17939447
He went to a random no name university. I barely took history courses but all the professors were valid and well respected.
>>17935046

>>17940157
I can really see the African influence

>>17934477
>my professor seemed to think Africans and olmecs would trade and communicate with each other
You can't be serious
>because he kinda looks like a black guy
It looks like any of the tribal people that reside down there and even here in the states now. You could type it into google and look at the images and probably say to yourself "huh. look at that fat face brown savage"

>>17940157
Adam Driver

>>17934477
My high school teacher for African American studies also said this. That and that Napoleon broke the nose off of the Great Sphinx of Giza because "white people didn't want black noses on statues so that they can pretend they weren't black." The class itself wasn't all that bad, but instances like that made me feel quite disappointed in people. People in burgerland are just easily misled I would say.

>>17942701
I am 100% serious

>>17942658
too be fair my associates was from a community college and I got it for free

>>17942750
>too be fair my associates was from a community college

>>17935633
What if head but big isn't a massively complex idea

>>17935633
Lots of the heads were lined up in a row beside a royal palace, and while its unclear if the olmecs practiced ancestor worship, lots of later mesoamerican cultures did and it seems likely. Probably just a way of remembering and honoring old kings/lineages.

>>17942701
Oh, there's a whole afrocentrist narrative pushing black pre-columbian contact. Pops up in /x/ threads from on occasion.

(pee-columbian? really spellchecker? why is that even an option?)

>>17943928
this ridiculous ass theory goes all the way back to the first finding of the olmec heads and its insane that level of ignorance is able to exist when you can literally just speak to any of the locals and they all look like that(well less so now that the oil industry has brought new people in but still, for a while they all did) and this is thousands of years later after lots of interbreeding, with spaniards of course and particularly with aztecs(both of these groups had thinner noses and less round faces than the locals), some evidence would suggest they were some of the few people that actually enjoyed aztec control, and they're quite proud of it, they even named a local village tenochtitlan to honor them.

>>17943967
Zero resemblance, clearly the much more reasonable explanation is that africans somehow made regular atlantic crossings in large numbers nearly 3000 years ago then just suddenly stopped and forgot about it all.

>>17943928
I think this is what happens when some, maybe many people have too much time on their hands. I hate saying that it is a bad thing, but.. I don't know how to finish that. You try to have a little more faith in others.
>(pee-columbian? really spellchecker? why is that even an option?)
Put a smile on my face. Thanks anon. But just typing "Olmec people today" and this image is brought up. It works.

>>17944117
Oh and I'm not kidding how often I've seen this face in the states. There's so many people with these exact facial features. I think they are weird looking and obviously seriously primitive.

>>17944122
I mean, the olmecs were the first civilization in the americas along with the mayans, in fact it is called by the historians the mother civilization since its influence would perdure till the posclasic mesoamerica, so i wouldnt call it primitive

>>17943475
nobody gives a damn where you get your associates, they barely care where you get your doctorate

>>17935046
>also for some reason he brought up and seemed to think the verses in the Bible talking about homosexuality were only referring to rape
This is common among leftists for some reason

>>17944256
>too be fair

>>17943975
>3000
dudes forgot about the vikings crossing the atlantic and that shit happened like 1000 years ago

>>17944458
Pic related happening and being lost in the chaos in a time of tons of exploration and settlement from a group known for visiting absolutely everywhere is pretty different from Africans crossing 5000 miles(minimum) of open ocean in significant numbers.

>>17944535
>is pretty different
How?

>>17935823
There are plenty amerindian that look like pseudo abo.

>>17944537
shorter distance, more advanced ships, details lost amongst the billion other poorly documented colonization efforts? Do you seriously think vikings in longships sailing along mostly coastline is the same as primitive africans crossing 5000 miles of open tropical ocean in the most dangerous and storm prone part in big canoes? ONE successful voyage like that would be a virtually impossible miracle, but enough to bring enough africans over to significantly influence Olmec culture or even genetics? Absolutely not, not in a million years.

SPANISH sailors had major issues with ships constantly getting obliterated by rough seas at that latitude in the 15 and 1600s.

Or are you just being intentionally dense?

At least the Olmec wewuzzing is somewhat understandable compared to the tyrones who claim that latter Mesoamerican civilizations must also have been black based on depictions of "black-skinned" people in murals and codices and such. It's like, if you bothered reading anything at all about the subject you'd know that the Spaniards recorded quite extensively that wearing black paint all over their bodies in battle, rituals and a few other contexts was a nearly universal practice among Mesoamerican civilizations

And also, those same Spaniards already had very regular contact with black africans by the time they conquered the new world and even brought quite a lot of them with them during the conquests of Mexico and Peru, if there were black people in medieval Mexico they would have surely mentioned them

>>17944596
>At least the Olmec wewuzzing is somewhat understandable
No it's not, claiming that precolumbian american statues from 1500BC are black because "they look blek n shiet" is peak retardation

>>17934517
chudGPT ahh reply

>>17944700
ChumpGPT

>>17944117
Many such examples. Imagine even a bust of this motherfucker in the same style.

>>17944596
Had a go-around either here or another forum about that once. Pointed out that some Amazonian tribes still use black dye "body suits" to this day.