Thread 17935728

What happened to the Roman elite after the Empire fell?

check wikipedia
half of them lived in east rome and were unaffected
other half became part of the roman-norman aristoracy, and actually profited from not having to pay government taxes anymore

and such was how feudalism in europe began

>>17935728 (OP)
Most of them were already gone by that point. The economic decline of the empire in the late 4th and 5th century destroyed the old money families financially. Some of the survivors fled to the Eastern Empire. A few held on and became some of the earliest medieval lords and nobles. Some married into royal Germanic families. There’s some debate going on as to whether Charlemagne had Roman Emperor ancestors.
>>17935735
This

>>17935728 (OP)
They were raped and brutally murdered. The Romans are extinct.

>>17935728 (OP)
They joined the bureaucracy of the romanized barbarian kingdons and intermarried.

>>17935748
Retard.

>>17935728 (OP)
The empire fell because it was profitable to them for it to do so. They became feudal lords and didn't have to pay taxes.

>>17935735
>roman-norman
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>>17936091
Are you saying the fall of Rome was a case of controlled demolition?

>>17935728 (OP)
most of them had already moved to the east, but those that didn't maintained the Roman institutions in the new system. Particularly the bishops, who took on most of the responsibilities that had been handled by the civil authorities, with varying levels of success. By the way most historians now follow the view that for most of the WRE there was a "silent fall" where there was not a complete discontinuity where one day the empire was conquered and suddenly an entirely different material culture exists in the same location. But rather people continued to live in the same way, and many commoners especially barely noticed any change at all, and may not even have been aware that there was one. It was only a century or more later that people started to realize something significant happened in the late 5th century.

Though that wasn't universal. Roman Britain definitely had more of a traumatic and sudden fall and replacement, to the point that Christianity even had to be reintroduced as late as the 690s because all the Roman or Romanized people had been so thoroughly displaced or killed and replaced

>>17935743
Is there anyone who can trace their lineage back to a Roman gens?

>>17935728 (OP)
Here are the Patrician families Maciamo could find. The others are probably extinct or their names became heavily corrupted.

- Aquili (gens Aquilia) : 126 families today, including 71 in Marche, 23 in Lazio and 13 in Umbria.

- Attili (gens Atilia) : 259 families today, including 113 in Lazio, 53 in Marche, 34 in Umbria and 26 in Abruzzo.

- Claudi (gens Claudia) : 100 families today, including 26 in Lazio, 18 in Marche and 16 in Toscana.

- Comini (gens Cominia) : 684 families today, including 425 in Lombardia (maybe another origin or the family moved there early in Roman times), 26 in Lazio, 19 in Marche and 18 in Toscana.

- Corneli (gens Cornelia) : 203 families today, including 40 in Umbria, 24 in Lazio, 27 in Marche and 24 in Toscana.

- Curti (gens Curtia) : 2395 families today, including 956 in Lombardia (same as the Comini), 309 in Emilia-Romagna, 302 in Piemonte and 263 in Lazio.

- Ermini (gens Herminia) : 791 families today, including 535 in Toscana and 97 in Lazio.

- Fabi (gens Fabia) : 796 families today, including 437 in Lazio, 147 in Marche and 58 in Umbria.

- Furi (gens Furia) : 65 families today, including 41 in Toscana and 8 in Lazio.

- Giuli (gens Julia) : 379 families today, including 136 in Lazio, 57 in Toscana, 53 in Umbria and 44 in Marche.

- Lucrezi (gens Lucretia) : 24 families today, including 9 in Umbria and 4 in Lazio.

- Orazi (gens Horatia) : 780 families today, including 328 in Marche, 205 in Lazio and 106 in Umbria.

- Ostili (gens Hostilia) : 65 families today, including 41 in Lazio, 12 in Umbria and 7 in Toscana.

- Postumi (gens Postumia) : 7 families today, all in Lazio!

- Servili (gens Servilia) : 75 families today, including 21 in Lazio, 21 in Umbria and 20 in Marche.

- Sulpizi (gens Sulpicia) : 106 families today, including 63 in Lazio and 25 in Abruzzo.

- Tarquini (gens Tarquinia) : 1059 families today, including 391 in Lazio, 283 in Abruzzo, 125 in Toscana and 109 in Marche.

>>17936205
- Tulli (gens Tullia) : 593 families today, including 346 in Lazio, 85 in Marche, 64 in Umbria and 38 in Abruzzo.

- Valeri (gens Valeria) : 2063 families today, including 756 in Lazio, 310 in Marche, 196 in Toscana and 138 in Abruzzo.

- Vitelli (gens Vitellia) : 862 families today, including 229 in Lazio, 184 in Campania, 87 in Abruzzo and 45 in Toscana.

And now for a few renowned Plebeian families.

- Aureli (gens Aurelia) : 733 families, including 322 in Lazio, 129 in Marche, 87 in Emilia-Romagna, 61 in Abruzzo, 30 in Umbria and 29 in Toscana.

- Cecili (gens Caecilia) : 125 families, including 92 in Lazio, 10 in Umbria and 8 in Marche.

- Deci (gens Decia) : 27 families, including 22 in Lazio.

- Domiziani (gens Domitia) : 40 families today, including 22 in Umbria, 9 in Lazio and 6 in Emilia-Romagna.

- Emili (gens Aemilia) : 434 families today, including 177 in Lazio 77 in Marche and 73 in Umbria,

- Flavi (gens Flavia) : 61 families today, including 36 in Lazio and 10 in Toscana.

- Mari (gens Maria) : 2724 families today, including 576 in Lazio, 403 in Lombardia, 382 in Emilia-Romagna and 358 in Toscana.

- Nevi (gens Naevia) : 189 families today, including 48 in Lazio, 42 in Lombardia, 38 in Umbria and 24 in Emilia-Romagna.

- Ottavi (gens Octavia) : 359 families today, including 115 in Lazio, 68 in Marche, 66 in Umbria, 33 in Emilia-Romagna and 23 in Toscana.

- Papi (gens Papia) : 1439 families today, including 614 in Toscana, 271 in Lazio, 403, 152 in Emilia-Romagna, 133 in Marche and 75 in Umbria.

- Pompei (gens Pompeia) : 1356 families today, including 546 in Lazio, 223 in Marche, 140 in Abruzzo and 134 in Umbria.

- Settimi (gens Septimia) : 373 families today, including 129 in Lazio, 100 in Umbria, 72 in Marche and 26 in Abruzzo.

- Titi (gens Titia) : 70 families today, including 12 in Lazio, 12 in Abruzzo, 12 in Emilia-Romagna, 7 in Umbria and 6 in Toscana.

- Ulpiani (gens Ulpia) : 28 families today, including 24 in Lazio.

>>17935728 (OP)
Integrated and or dispossessed by their new rulers. The only place that any real continuation of power remained was in Ostrogothic Italy, and even then only in the administration. Romans for the most part were almost completely barred from power in military and administration. The highest a Roman could hope to rise is becoming a Bishop because they were locally elected by their community, which is also why most of them were Roman. But they really only had power over said community and only unofficially.
>>17935735
>>17936091
They did pay tax, in almost the same way they previously did and Feudalism would not emerge until the 9th century so you're about 400 year off.
>>17936205
There is no mention of any Patrician clan past the 3rd century actually existing anymore.

>>17936205
>>17936209
Based
>>17936212
Cope

>>17935728 (OP)
Mostly integrated into the local elite of wherever they were at. In the east they became Greek elites, in the West they became Romano-Britain/Frank/Vandal/Norman/Balkan elites.