Thread 17938843

How exactly did communism get taken over by queers in the first place? What does you fucking men in the ass or being a mentally ill fetishist who thinks they're actually a woman have anything to do with liberating the proletariat?

Communism has always been about tearing down the elite class in society, so of course it appeals to complete losers and degenerates

Real materialist socialism was defeated and/or achieved most of its aims in the 20th century so academics needed new jobs and audiences thus they transferred the oppressor/oppressed dynamic (which Marx had borrowed from the French Revolution to begin with to write his commie larp) which they use to endlessly blame "capitalism" for all problems in the world because "capitalism" is the "dominant system/ideology" i.e. all problems will always be "capitalism's fault" so your criticism will always be valid. Combined with general wealth increase and comfort which meant that talking about having food on the table wasn't as cool as talking about freeing yourself from social oppression (morals and responsibility).

This is well-documented by now

>>17938894

The elite class supports LGBT and tranny shit though.

>>17938843 (OP)
I'm pro queer and anti communist

Different groups tend to combine under a single name for the sake of gaining more power for their causes, they're not necessarily the same group, but after a long convergence they start to identify as that

That's why you see things as "gays for palestina" or rich people against capitalism

In contraposition, other groups with nothing really in common fuse for the sake of gaining power and be against the other group

That's why you also can see a lot of christians in the republican party, not because they're necessarily republican, but because the other group is anti Israel/pro palestine

>>17938843 (OP)
Because the basic goals of communism have been fundamentally achieved through capitalism, and all your basic needs can be met and creature comforts enjoyed by simply being normal in modern society.

>>17938843 (OP)
I don't know. I'm a straight communist and I'm pretty sick of that stuff.

>>17938957
Opposite of me

>>17938843 (OP)
Most people are not "proletariat" anymore but lower-middle class, essentially workers with savings and various direct and indirect forms of social welfare. Seeking revolutionaries they instead turn to the lumpenproletariat or those with social grievances like transfolx.

>>17939007
well that's obviously not true seeing as people get poorer every year.

>>17938921
no the fuck they don’t, up until about a year ago they only supported it because they thought it would increase profits. instead it turns out all of the shareholders have a conservative worldview

>>17938843 (OP)
i've heard one theory regarding this:
it is the ultimate victim status (next to niggerism)

a poor worker that gets into politics no longer is a poor worker and might run into issues regarding his credibility
but a fag will always be a fag

basically lefitism on easymode

>>17938843 (OP)
Combination of natural bioleninism/ressentiment, with CIA trickery to neuter the economic left into faggy neoliberal identity politics

>>17938843 (OP)
I think that people who associate with anti-religious ideologies tend to be the more “degenerate” half of the population. I guess since we are somehow in a “behavioral sink”, that also applies to the types of people interested in these ideologies. That’s my best guess. Communism is an economic theory and doesn’t have anything to do with sexuality at all. So it is very weird.

>>17939018
it is true for now, this might also explain why the left is in favor of turbo immigration

>>17938843 (OP)
the american labor movement died in the 40s with taft-hartley, and the us suppressed european labor movements because its the center of global capitalism.
the "new left" filled the void in the 60s and it was full of hippy boomers obsessed with navel gazing identity politics, which was then amplified by the CIA because it sucks the air out of the room in any vaguely left wing space
note that china has a real left wing labor movement that isn't obsessed with trannies and fags because they didn't get psyop'd by the CIA

>>17938843 (OP)
I'm not sure we can answer "how", I suppose by more queers just becoming communist... but the "why" is more important. And the why is that both are de-centralization efforts.
>Queer is de-centralization of heteronormative ideals, they are unclear identities, anomalous and scarcely related, diverse, going various different directions (as in actually away from the center)
>Communism is one of the most de-centralized social structures, the rule of the many over the rule of the few (as in the state, the elites etc.)
Of course it's obvious that communism rarely delivers on its de-centralization promises. But if you identify with the spirit of the margin, the rebellion and of de-centralization then communism, queer, immigrant rights, atheism, ancap, trans ideology and many similar things will be right up your alley.

>>17938957
it's been completely fucking insufferable for ages. Saw posters around here from the Socialist party and it was "Social housing for queer, trans and black bodies" and it's like, what the actual fuck can you not couch socialist demands in idpol bullshit?
Genuinely the UK left is obsessed with dicksucking the Trans rights movement and BLM crap to a fucking pathological degree. For a country that is wracked by a class system that is borderline a crypto social caste system, class and nation building are two of the things I l hear the British left talk the least about.

>>17939165
>I'm not sure we can answer "how", I suppose by more queers just becoming communist... but the "why" is more important.
I think it's the healthcare issue. A lot of Americans have trouble with healthcare but the trans people have a particular need. Whether you feel it's necessary or not is irrelevant, they feel very strongly that they're trans and that is who they are, and they radicalize on that issue, and since communism wants to turn healthcare from a commodity into something that is distributed according to need anyways, that makes trans people more likely to find communism attractive. Or at least the idea of communism. The idea is to turn healthcare into a "social right" (in contrast to an individual right) in contrast to a specialized thing that's harder to access or something you have to pay for. Even if you find them aesthetically repulsive, it does fit together logically.

>>17939028
>instead it turns out all of the shareholders have a conservative worldview
They had a pre-existing conservative condition.

>>17939028

>Trannies are fighting the system.

Trannies are the system bro.

>>17938843 (OP)
Western leftism is nothing but a counter culture
LGBT shit is a massive liberal state sponsered controlled ""counter culture"".
They merge together to become a big "counter culture" LARP.
Also something i've said numerous times before, the Western left cannot gate keep against idpollers and mentally ill people, because it comes off as not being "inclusive" and being bigoted etc. So the Western left becomes a massive fucking hon hugfest of all the biggest fucking losers imaginable.
Look at the infamous DSA conference, that sort of stuff shows what happens when you constantly cater to people who should not be involved in politics at all, at the expense of any pragmatism or long term socialist project.
It doesn't help that the ""Left"" despise actual fucking serious leftists, because they don't do all the gay/blm/idpol shit. Hence why the ACP is completely banned from leftypol despite being the most successful Socialist org in the US in half a century.

>>17939201
That's difficult to falsify because if I want to draw an analogy in Europe I will have to find a country that is not traumatized by communism in general. And they're slim pickings.

>>17939201
You can add all the faggots dying to aids to your healthcare argument as well.

>>17939198
>Saw posters around here from the Socialist party and it was "Social housing for queer, trans and black bodies" and it's like, what the actual fuck can you not couch socialist demands in idpol bullshit?
I think what happens here is that you have more academics in these groups, and academic theory-language leaps out of papers into political slogans like that. The whole "bodies" discourse sounds bizarre. When most people hear "bodies" they think of a dead person. People are like what the fuck. In this jargon-filled academic world though, it comes from Foucault and Judith Butler talking about human bodies as a material thing and a "sight of control and also possibility" or whatever. And then they'll try to draw out a critique of the "general" from the "particular," that is, the way trans people struggle with healthcare is actually illustrative of the system of the whole. For example, the richer you are, the less likely you're going to struggle with accessing gender surgery compared to growing up a trailer park. I think that's right analytically, but the language doesn't translate outside of that narrow scope, and also academics love thinking of themselves as some avant-garde.

>>17939232
I doubt I'd find many either. I figure you're more likely to find someone willing to tear you a new asshole for waving communist symbols around in Europe, but that's also the kind of authoritarian socialism people around here think is based, so explain that to them.

>>17939234
Not as much now because of retroviral drugs, but in the early 90s the group ACT UP would have slogans like that, and many of them would've imagined themselves as anti-capitalists in a general kind of way. They didn't use hammers and sickles though, but a reversed pink triangle (used to mark homosexuals in Nazi concentration camps).

>>17939218
>a big "counter culture" LARP ... Hence why the ACP is completely banned from leftypol
Those guys are the biggest LARPers on the left.

For me its REAL DEVELOPED SOCIALISM

>>17938843 (OP)
The CIA pushed the postmodernists and the Frankfurt school as leftist counterweights to Soviet communism.
That way they defused revolutionary rhetoric and funneled it into faggotry and other such inconsequential (to (((them)))) nonsense.

>>17939263
Most City-17 version of socialism. The Polish communist state gunned down striking workers BTW.
https://youtu.be/_078AZcqBLc

The concept of bioleninism answers this question pretty comprehensively

>>17938843 (OP)
The problem with inclusive movements is that they will always naturally attract crackpots, even Marx in the first International had to deal with like hippies of the time advocating for free love and other bs, thing is at the time they just expelled them out of the organization alleging they were wasting time with crap unrelated to class struggle. Nowadays leftist movements coddle them, no matter how ridiculous and self-absorbed their pet issues are

>>17939297
The First International didn't amount to much though. It was pretty small, and it also wasn't Marxist in ideology. Marx didn't impose an ideology like that on the organization, which was hardly an organization in the first place.

But I think the reality is that the world doesn't care how cool your politics make you feel. A lot of people are basically saying they don't want to be associated with these cringe people, but nobody can stop them (in reality) from having a protest in London with a hammer and sickle on a sign. Maybe someone could form some bonehead gang to go assault them, but they'll get arrested and it will amount to nothing.

This becomes a fascination to people who become obsessed too much with politics as an image. It's like people going to "pfft... they haven't even read Marx..." but that's a hipster attitude. But I'm not sure how many of them really have done that either. In my opinion, they come to care a little too much about what other people think of them. Those trans people don't care. They're not afraid to speak up because they find it embarrassing. Just define your own values or something.

>>17939028
Conservative views for their own tribe
Bolsjevik ones for the enemy tribes

>>17939152
the new left were also the children of the elite who maybe felt guilty their dad's arms manufacturing plant was making napalm bombs to drop on Vietnamese peasants. They kept a lot of the bourgeois culture and morality.

>>17939028
Found the red

Queerphobia in the West has largely been due to the influence of Christianity and Judaism

So by default, queer people have generally had a negative experience with Western culture, either suffering in silence or being tormented on a daily basis by oppressors

Communism is generally anti-religion and curbed the excesses of Queerphobic persecution and discrimination

So it was a natural alliance of convenience

I’ve always found 4chan’s Queerphobia strange since at least 60% of people here are at the very least bisexual

>>17938921
The wealthiest and most powerful men in America are all homophobes and racists dude.

Trump, Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc. The LGBT support among most major businesses is about marketing to LGBT people, nothing more. Look at Target and how it immediately turned against Black people upon the re-election of Trump.

>>17939501
Thiel is literally, openly gay

>>17939496
That sounds half true. While "queerphobia" was always present in the West to some degree, Christianity has drawn a heteronormative line in the sand and medieval Europe really made sure the lines were followed, that much is true. But you see "Queers for Palestine" more than "Queers for Dawkins" even though New Atheism was very LGBT flavored back in the day. And besides, atheism itself is completely accidental to communism - some of the most functional communes had religious undertones.
4chan is a hateful place and many queers make themselves easy to hate. I wouldn't read much more into that.

>>17938843 (OP)
CIA ass raping

>>17939503
>Thiel is literally, openly gay
Gays have been pretty well absorbed at this point. It had already been like that in many of the European countries for awhile. Anons also don't like to mention is that right-wing parties like to amp up anti-woke culture warrioring which can be just as bad as what they're fighting against. I mean just to get people to fight over culture war issues so they can dominate the immediate situation, but they don't get traction doing that with gays anymore. It doesn't get people gnashing their teeth. More like "well that's your opinion" and nobody cares. It revolves around trans issues nowadays compared to the 1990s/2000s. I think it's very opportunistic.

I also think that shows how there's nothing inherently revolutionary about a sexual orientation. I don't have any self-identity issues with that though. You know this thing about what is "revolutionary" or not is more about what you do, not who you are, in my opinion. It's not an "identity" or an image. You're not automatically a revolutionary because you're a heterosexual either. You know what I mean.

>>17939505
>And besides, atheism itself is completely accidental to communism - some of the most functional communes had religious undertones.
I dunno about that. As to the role of religion in society, it has been pretty inseperable from a radical approach to secularism at minimum, and many of the communist regimes practiced state atheism, although they could also be very dogmatic and treat Marxism like a religion.

>>17939636
>many of the communist regimes practiced state atheism
At the risk of sounding like a tankie I'll say that I haven't heard of any state that was genuinely approximating communism do that. The point of communism is to abolish classes and the Soviet and Chinese attempts produced a class no less powerful than monarchy. I have, however, read the Book of Acts where something like a commune happens to be described.

You're right that Marxism is a link in the long secularizing chains that the West has spun around itself. But communism is just a material-dialectical iteration of a much more universal concept.

>>17939646
>At the risk of sounding like a tankie I'll say that I haven't heard of any state that was genuinely approximating communism do that. The point of communism is to abolish classes and the Soviet and Chinese attempts produced a class no less powerful than monarchy.
Well, that's not really tankie. I think you're talking more about an ideal-type commune while I was talking about these communist regimes in the 20th century, but anyways that new class also tried to maintain a monopoly on ideas which more or less precluded religion. People often carried on private religious practices but congregations were heavily monitored and people professing religion could get in serious trouble. There were also episodes of anti-religious repression from the state, which was really severe in the USSR in the 1930s. I mean the government disseminating atheist propaganda, physically destroying tens of thousands of churches and taking practically the entire Orthodox Church's clergy out and shooting them or sending them to labor camps. You read about this, and it's like, what the fuck.

Communism was originally about standing up to elitist perversions, but modern-day Communists worship all every elitist perversion and call you shit if you don't like them. It's really interesting how that happened. Personally, I think we as a society should just end the whole Communism thing. It's so so damn weird that people pretend they're supporters of this trend from like 100 years ago that they aren't even doing correctly.

>>17939682
>You read about this, and it's like, what the fuck.
Yep. My grandma even told me they'd intentionally organize after-school events at school on the days of minor and major holidays and if some kids were missing, that put the families on the list of "likely celebrating".

>>17939496
>Communism curbed the excesses of Queerphobic persecution and
discrimination
No it didnt
>4chan’s Queerphobia strange since at least 60% of people here are at the very least bisexual
Queers in general are very unlikable and thats not even mentioning trannies there's also a pretty big difference between jerking off to cute 2d boys and actually going out and fucking a man's hairy ass.

>>17939496
>I’ve always found 4chan’s Queerphobia strange since at least 60% of people here are at the very least bisexual
There's a pretty big difference between jerking off to 2d drawings of cute boys in your basement and actually going out there and fucking another mans hairy ass.
Queers also arent all the same just because you find boys attractive doesnt mean that you have to think trannies are anything but mentally ill fetishist and non-binarism and the rest of the letters are just made up bullshit so underage teens on twitter can feel special.

>>17939503
So was Röhm, what’s your point?

>>17939726
>There's a pretty big difference between jerking off to 2d drawings of cute boys in your basement and actually going out there and fucking another mans hairy ass.
Hell yeah there's a difference. My experience is that straight guys find the hairy gays more intimidating. Like a group of straight guys joking and having a good time and then suddenly -- by surprise -- walking past a leather bar they didn't realize was on the street and a bunch of these guys are on the patio, they all get real quiet and nobody says shit lmao

>non-binarism and the rest of the letters are just made up bullshit so underage teens on twitter can feel special.
That's also probably true, it's kind of an emo thing, but what does it say about these people who are big mad about it.

>>17939749
>Hell yeah there's a difference. My experience is that straight guys find the hairy gays more intimidating. Like a group of straight guys joking and having a good time and then suddenly -- by surprise -- walking past a leather bar they didn't realize was on the street and a bunch of these guys are on the patio, they all get real quiet and nobody says shit lmao
Also unattractive because they're not full on disgusting flaming faggots like you are.
>what does it say about these people who are big mad about it.
That they hate trannies and other retarded queers??

>>17939759
>That they hate trannies and other retarded queers??
I mean, it's like, grow up a little bit? Picking fights with emo teenagers? It's kind of sad, dude.

>>17939749
Maybe they thought the “leather gays” were dangerous criminals or something. Otherwisr Why would people walking around outside and laughing trigger them?

>>17938843 (OP)
Communism is against opression and LGBT are opressed by bihoted bourgoise without any reason, so communists fight it. Progress is built on the freedom of LGBT to express themselves and live freely and without fear. If communists fight for LGBT then we should support them. If you dont like them then they will be against you, the bourgoise always is.

>>17938843 (OP)
>What does Marxism have to do with Marxism?
So anyway..

>>17938894
What kind of loser or degenerate wants an elite class to exist?

>>17940124
Marxism has nothing to do with LGBT people, in fact a lot of socialist countries criminalized homosexuality.
The reason communists began to see it and eventually trannyism as okay is because they saw it as a useful tactic to further unite the proletariat regardless of identities, nothing more.

>>17940322
OR the bourgeoisie saw false flagging as communist trannies as a useful tactic to turn other people off of communism.
>it's tha jooooz
Unironically.

>>17940334
I've never seen evidence that this was a plan.

>>17940338
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You think communists just did something so self-destructive all on their own?

>>17940360
Why not? They destroyed USSR just because, wouldn't put it past them.

>>17940373
>They destroyed USSR just because

>>17939255
>a big "counter culture" LARP ... Hence why the ACP is completely banned from leftypol
>Those guys are the biggest LARPers on the left.
May be, but they are actually winning seats on the local level. Better than any other Communist party out there.

>>17939297
>even Marx in the first International had to deal with like hippies of the time advocating for free love and other bs
God I wish there was some major Leftist figure that everyone loved, and he wrote posts like Marx did.
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1862/letters/62_07_30a.htm

>>17938843 (OP)
>How exactly did communism get taken over by queers in the first place? What does you fucking men in the ass or being a mentally ill fetishist who thinks they're actually a woman have anything to do with liberating the proletariat?
Duuuuude.
Look at Bolsheviks bio.
They were fringe middle class, not proletariat class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323

>>17940108
>Communism is against opression
No it's not. For example, a Socialist society is the suppression of the Bourgiousie at the hands of the working class.
Communism is just the "natural" end game of productive social forces as humans move towards post scarcity.
>LGBT are opressed by bihoted bourgoise without any reason
No they aren't. LGBT have always been a peak bougie demographic. Elites have always been effete faggots.
>Progress is built on the freedom of LGBT to express themselves and live freely and without fear
No it isn't. Hyper-individualism is liberalism.
This is the problem with you leftypol types you're so high on liberalism, you mistake it for Communism.

>>17940446
The fake sheriff job in Vermont? You know he got kicked out of Rojava for pulling a "we're faggots who fight fascists" stunt with rainbow flags. I think he's a glowie provocateur.

>>17940456
LGBT becoming more prominent is a result of increased productive forces. Urbanization, modernization, technology. It frees people up and breaks up traditional feudal structures which emerged from agriculture-based societies. Also most of them are not top 1% (obviously).

>>17938843 (OP)
Communism has always appealed to the mentally ill

>with liberating the proletariat
This, you're wondering why degenerates are attracted to communism, it's nonsense like this

>>17939501

Everyone you listed is a faggot lover who loves immigration though.

This was actually done by capitalists

Occupy Wall street was gaining traction so they nonsensically sent LGBTQ to hijack it

Class war they are terrified of. Culture wars they can laugh about.

>>17940643
How did LGBTQ hijack Occupy Wall Street

>>17940645
Occupy Wall St was firmly about economic inequality

Then as time went on WEF USAid LGBTQ and nonsense groups suspiciously start showing up there and co-opting it

>>17940658

Occupy Wall Street went from "we need to take the money away from all these rich billionaire bankers" to "leave those innocent bankers alone, white supremacists and homophobes are the real problem!"

>>17940658
>>17940667
People say this but I vaguely remember hearing about it at the time, and really people got bored, they turned into homeless crackhead camps, and then the cops showed up and busted it up. Or it was Big Gay I guess

>>17940658
Anarchists (led by those fucking RETARDS like Ketchup) couped the Marxist and Organized Labor working groups for being "too white and male", then released Occupy's demands.
HERE ARE THE OFFICIAL DEMANDS OF OCCUPY WALL STREET, BY THE GENIUS ANARCHIST WORKING GROUP.

>• Create an economy in harmony with nature — by
>• Researching, developing and implementing economic models that pursue thriving, abundant and prosperous outcomes for humanity and life — growing beyond the dichotomy of unsustainable and sustainable development. These economic models must be based on sound ethical assumptions and observed individual and market behavior through behavioral economics and econometrics
>• Implementing and improving community currencies, barter, sharing, and trade systems
>• Building the support and precedence for local and large scale production of renewable energy and food resources
>• Eliminating financial/resource speculation that supports the current economy at the expense of future generations
>• Learning from and empowering indigenous people in the transition to an economy in harmony with nature — as we

>• Make NYC a pioneer of urban farming, renewable energy, grass roots urban/rural exchange, quantitative economic policy and indigenous leadership
This is why Anarchists should be dragged out behind a shed and shot whenever they come close to any Leftist movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY1YDPbIQ9Q

>>17940603
>>17940643
this was before your counterculture revolution, civil rights and at least 40% of GDP being controlled by the government, it is now mandatory to support trans rights or get cancelled

>le trump
so boomers realize in horror that the John Birch society was right all along and many of the "progressives" they voted for for 60 years were "democratic socialists" all along, but being old and senile they can only think to vote for the nice man on tv who promises to MAGA, but as they die off we will surely see a permanent shift to the left, with the Republicans clinging on by appealing to hispanic catholics or something until AI takes over, ww3 kicks off or climate change causes a global disaster, whichever happens first and ends democracy in America

>>17938843 (OP)
>How exactly did communism get taken over by queers in the first place?
Here's a great video explaining it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW__eLO2LzE
In short, it's another form of warfare on the western civilization - from economic means, to mind rape.

You are LGBT. You have decided to choose an ideology to support. Which one are you going with?

>Liberal Capitalism
The ideology you have lived under your entire life. The one that facilitated the regular abuse and mistreatment by the religious and political people in your life. The one that argues for human rights but treats your existence like a debate where you must argue against, tolerate, and give concessions to people who hate you and want to kill you.
Also, you are dealing with the same economic/wealth distribution issues as everyone else. Except worse because it's a coinflip whether or not your familial support system hates you. But it's not THAT bad, really. You can own nothing and be happy :)
>Conservatism
Conservatives want to kill you.
>Fascism
Fascists want to kill you and have no problem saying it out loud.
Half of them are lgbt though, what's up with that?
>Social Democracy
Advocating for social programs, higher taxes on the wealthy, market regulations, and greater democratic representation, while retaining the core of capitalism. And they generally support LGBT people. The Nordic model is by far the most popular flavor.
>Socialism
Total worker ownership of the means of production. And they seem to be very much pro-equality, and unlike liberal capitalism it places this right above religion and economics. And sure, maybe the USSR didn't go so well, or China, or Cuba, or Vietnam... but it's different this time. Or maybe it isn't.

>>17938843 (OP)
I don't know but I once went through a "neolibs bad" phase and was genuinely curious about socialism and communism, so I presented this question to leftypol.

I thought I had a moderate view, that we should accept homosexuals and transsexuals but curb excesses that are clearly incorrect and the result of "neolib" plastic surgeons and the like polluting the waters, but they weren't having it. The responses were 100% full support for even the most overtly spurious embarrassing extremes of "trans rights", like teaching anal sex in classrooms, then accusing me of being some reactionary shill and nitpicking and wildly misinterpreting what I was saying. They all seemed extremely offended and convinced I was the most reactionary and ill informed person in the world, yet could not actually explain why, and did not go into much detail about the science and psychology of "gender dysphoria" or anything I was trying to discuss with them.

I was patient and gave them a decent chance over an hour or so, I was waiting for a poster to understand what I was saying or look up the region of the brain INAH-3 or something and realize my points are legit and need to be addressed, but that never happened, then I had shit to do.

I assume that communism and socialism are now just subsets of the leftist political establishment headed by the US, thus they have to give full support to their "allies". They are puppets who are deemed useful because they constantly push for more state control and nonthreatening because, well, let's face it, they are not going to furnish an armed revolution.

>>17940830
You went and asked a lefty shitposting forum about their "policy" on homosexuals. I mean, think about this for a second. There are millions of homosexuals in Western countries including leaders of right-wing anti-immigrant parties. One of them that comes to mind probably has moderate views like you do, but the obsession people have with this is starting to border on a psychological issue more than a political one.

>>17940866
The redpill is that homosexuals are completely historically and culturally irrelevant. Meaning any attempt by them to inflate their importance should be put down with a iron hand

>>17940887
Nobody is going mano dura on anybody other than low-level nigger gangsters. Culturally, you're wrong, homosexuals' historic role is being entertainers but also various courtiers / functionaries (which is why there are so many in politics). And also various service professions like waiters and flight attendants. Fashion designers and decorators. They have existed for a long time and outlasted communism and also have higher favorability ratings in practically all Western societies.

>>17938843 (OP)
Socialism was cucked by markets. No economist takes central planning seriously. Socialism is dead and irrelevant. They had to move on to nigger and faggot shit to stay relevant.

>>17940939
>homosexuals' historic role is being entertainers, fashion
so completely irrelevant people that don't add anything to society

>>17940830
lgbt and racial cultural war in USA are just smokescreen for rich getting richer while fucking both sides on the ass

>>17940887
How come so many important historic figures were boyfuckers then

>>17939636
Faggotry is disgusting at a very basic biological level. And they *do* groom kids. Don't give me that 'oh, it's all resolved, it's over, it's a nothingburger, let's move on' cuck bullshit.

>>17940866
>>17940887
>>17940998
Homosexuals are 5% to 10% of the population and will secretly oppose a society where they are malcontent, so it does have a level of importance. It is also a good litmus test to see whether someone is willing to go against the grain or just parrots whatever they are told by extreme trans rights advocates.

/pol/ is accused of being obsessed with transwomen, but their ideology is the most absurd thing to come out from the left which they publicly stand by and try to put into policy. It is like the tip of the iceberg, something observable they can point to and say "ICEBERG, DEAD AHEAD".

>>17941047
>uhm ack-tually the world is 500% gay
go play in traffic

>>17938843 (OP)
Hazcel chud still banned in leftypol and posting his transphobic garbage here hahahaha

Go shitpost on thr midget's discord server

>>17940887
Gays and lesbians are roughly 10% of the world's population and Gay and Bi men have been over 50% of all great scientists and inventors

Gays and Lesbians in Europe are more right-wing than Straights atm because they're opposing infesting the continent with abrahamic shitskins who want to kill them, like it or not they're a significant and powerful part of society

>>17941378
Notice how fags can't actually say if they're relevant or not and they rely on asspulled metrics from news outlets full of faggots

>>17941047

The reason rainbow flags and transgenderism are everywhere isn't because "love prevailed" or because something was discovered under a microscope. The reason it's everywhere is because the people with money, power, and capital made it everywhere. Because they view it as a useful tool for reducing white birthrates.

>>17939263
>communists accidentally invent Fascism
>again

>>17941502
Nah fags are just a useful demographic to grift.

>>17941502
Are you retarded or just christian?

Gays of all races exist

And we don’t choose to be gay

And even if we did, we still could have kids you moronic Nazi waste of oxygen

Just because YOU can’t get laid because you’re a creepy loser doesn’t mean it should be everyone else’s problem

>>17941582
Imagine a homosexual calling anyone creepy

>>17941485
But redfash chud, you know I speak the truth

What was Da Vinci sexuality?

>>17941584
But you are tho

women love to befriend and be around us while being completed freaked out by incel losers like you

#sorrynotsorry

>>17941600
>Caring about what women think
>Caring about what gays think

>>17941618
Y'all still creepy af

>>17941660
if this is from the perspective of a faggot that hangs out with women that's probably a good thing

>>17941673
All gays hang with women, we love them and see them as true friends

We just avoid straight males because y'all violent, homophobic bigots and your hobbies are shit

>>17941679
Figures considering the prerequisite for being a homosexual is being low intelligence

>>17941673
Women are quite literally the chief arbiters of creepiness.

And they much prefer my sassy classy company to your hateful stare and desperate leering.

You hate me because you’re scared I will treat you how you treat women.

>>17941686
Queer people statistically have higher IQs than Cis and Straight people

Try again honey

>>17941689
How do women treat me? They can't even hold a conversation and everything is superfluous nonsense. I get more entertainment talking to chickens

>>17941686
Straight dudes only speak in retarded slangs and have shitty low IQ hobbies like football and ufc fights lmfao, you're just projecting

Most great scientists in history were gays or other type of queer guys

>>17941695
That's what they tell themselves. They also tell themselves they're historically and culturally relevant and there's more of them than there actually are

>>17941702
Yeah what high IQ hobbies do fags have besides fudge packing and moping in their house because they're fat unfuckable bald dudes

>>17941707
We like aesthetic pleasing stuff like cosmetics, hair stylism, architecture, playing life sims, etc...

>>17941714
What about making shit with your hands? I can respect a faggot that actually can make clothes but you guys are larpers

>>17941715
You mean like a tailorer or artisan? they're a rare breed among every demographic these days with everything being automated slops

But I'm a hair store owner in second life. I create my own 3d hair models

>>17941721
Sure whatever floats you boat

>>17941047
>/pol/ is accused of being obsessed with transwomen
That is true though no matter how extreme trans rights activists are. I think it's short-term political exploitation but it will have long-term consequences by bringing it out into the public consciousness.

>>17941761
white men are seeing their culture rot in front of them and they're starting to take a keen interest in culture and history, wading into the abyss

Communism is the same as it was a hundred years ago. The sexuality thing is just an added layer.

>>17938843 (OP)
"Everyone should be treated equally"
"Everyone should be included"
"Everyone is welcome"
"Including the degenerates"
Also
"Individuals are a threat to the state"
"State should suppress individuals"
"Tax them"
"And give the rest of us who waren't doing anything "free" stuff"
"By taxing anyone who is doing something

>>17940830
Leftypol literally got mod hijacked by Troons after the insane BO trooned out, who turned the entire board into their little identity politics honbox.
Classic 8ch Leftypol is nothing like Leftypol.org, Leftychan.net is closer to classic Leftypol, but has like 5 users these days.

I’m a neoliberal because right wingers are chaotic evil and leftists are chaotic stupid

Populism is for children who can’t see the big fucking picture

platforming communist freaks and fags is ananticommunist tactic american media pushes to keep the normies away from forming communes.

>>17941766
I think you guys are going to completely screw this up. It's an issue of unintended consequences from all the airtime and cultural energy you pour into it. It's like the Streisand Effect where trying to suppress a thing ends up drawing more attention to than it otherwise would've gotten.

This happens in politics a lot. The New Left in the 60s rebelled against the Democrats which had a much more closed-primary system, and one of the consquences was the party opening up the primary system more starting in 1968 (or in the aftermath of that), but the result is that candidates with even more money were the ones who had a better chance of winning the primaries compared to the old machine-style system that elected FDR.

Real fundamentalists (like the Amish) in my opinion shouldn't even want to TALK about this, but these holy rollers just want to beat up troons every day because they think it'll help the Republicans slice up the electorate and win over people who would otherwise not accept their policies.

James Dobson died recently and he made a career out of fighting gays, and now look at the situation. Yeah, let's all have a big debate about gay marriage in the 1990s! Talk about it's a threat to marriage. Ha ha. Once you open that door... and he was also also a Freudian psychologist, a big fan of corporal punishment as a child-rearing practice and believed showering with your son so he can see your monster cock will make him straight. Anyways.

In other words this is the "cunning of history" in that Hegelian sense. Or like, trying to stop the communists from taking over China but pouring weapons into General Cash My Check's army which end up being captured by the communists and thereby strengthening them while simultaneously discrediting your own guy as a patsy in league with the foreigners.

It doesn't surprise me a lot of you have a hard time getting laid or getting a date, but it's just as well for the human race. It's always a risk when you talk to women you don't know, but you don't have to do it. You could always stay at home, take off your shirt and watch something on television instead.

>>17938980
So you're a gay fascist?

>>17943583
Not communist = fascist or something

>>17943586
You said opposite and to me the opposite of communism is fascism, but fine, gay capitalist, whatever.

>>17943571
Nobody's trying to suppress gays, the redpill which I have posted multiple times is that gays are completely culturally irrelevant. The real problem are media companies and psychologists forcing gayness on children.

We've, well at least I've, know since about ~2005 that this trans nonsense was a for profit exploitation of men with mental deficiencies like autism. People diagnosing people with AGP or whatever it's called were getting kickbacks from the plastic surgery clinic as soon as this shit popped off.

Gays are irrelevant, the problem is the institutional corruption. Nobody trusts the media anymore, nobody trusts psychologists anymore, people are starting to not vax their kids because they don't trust the government. Gays are just a symptom of institutional collapse

The reason this happens is because it's an inevitable consequence of a secular worldview. It's Christ or chaos.

>>17943630
the reason it happened is because gay jews in the 70's got homosexuality declassified as a mental illness

>>17939501
>The wealthiest and most powerful men in America are all homophobes and racists
Good, so when's the Fourth Reich coming along?
>Trump, Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Bezos, etc.
All are kosher. All are non-racists. All are philo-semitic. Try again and try to actually research your ideological enemies
>Look at Target and how it immediately turned against Black people upon the re-election of Trump
This never happened.

You'd already be dead under your delusional fantasy world where the elites are all secretly evil Nazis along with every person that peddles this absurd leftist conspiracy theory

>>17943639
And that happened because secularism has no foundation to resist the rainbow plague.

>>17940748
>so boomers realize in horror that the John Birch society was right all along and many of the "progressives" they voted for for 60 years were "democratic socialists" all along, but being old and senile they can only think to vote for the nice man on tv who promises to MAGA, but as they die off we will surely see a permanent shift to the left
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950533/Adolf-Hitler-poll-Gen-Z-Nazi-good-ideas.html

>>17943643
rather it happened through the exploitation of US institutions and a corruption of the interpretation of US laws and rights

It all circles back to institutional corruption, which happens under a christian monarchy too

>>17943644
ha ha of course Gen Z is mostly brown people and they worship Hitler more than anyone

>>17943650
right the low IQ hordes will reduce the US to a brazilian tier hellscape where we can never hope to actually fix the problem

>>17943648
>rather it happened through the exploitation of US institutions and a corruption of the interpretation of US laws and rights
...which happened because of the secular worldview
>It all circles back to institutional corruption, which happens under a christian monarchy too
Such corruption under a Christian consensus represents a hypocritical contrast with the Christian religion and engenders the opposition of God's people. Secularism on the other hand neither does nor could have any principled opposition to it, and it has only been met with widespread support from the godless.

>>17943650
>ha ha of course Gen Z is mostly brown people and they worship Hitler more than anyone
...

>>17943695
Secularism happens anywhere there's a large amount of people. Since the middle ages peasants have flocked to cities in order to "get away" whether that be from persecution or whatever, people on the fringe of society flock to population centers to find more freaks like them, and then create a feedback loop of freaks. Jesus worship does not stop this

>>17943571
It is mostly their black "allies" beating them up.

People ranting about being "trad" and crying over transfolx were born and raised by boomers in our degenerate society and will never be trve trad like fundamentalist Christians raised differently. However they are like this because it was leftists who decided to break with tradition and create this new world bereft of meaning, which they now reject.

You Indians were raised on Hinduism and it holds enormous meaning for the majority of your race, it is why you have this massive confidence "top 1% human capital sarr!". You are not thinking about how dishonest it is, you are thinking about finding some clueless boomer "cracker" to accept your diploma from Jurgapreet "University" and impress your mother and fellow Indians. Your world is elsewhere.

Now take Wagner and how popular it was in Germany in the late 19th and early 20th century. Here was a universally appraised work which men and women, young and old enjoyed, espousing high Germanic virtues which all the boys wanted to emulate. Nowadays they watch a movie like Lord of the Rings and it has the same emotional effect, but they discover it is for nerds and a mere "comfort watch" with the values therein just fantasy, they then see it sloppified by mass media, the Amazon tv series had a Trump allegory thrown in, I heard.

What values does our society instill into white boys? They "done did" slavery, colonialism et cetera.. their ambitions are "undeserved privileges" and the best they can do in life is give it all up to less qualified "diverse" folx in college and in the workplace and Indians with fake diplomas who scammed the visa system. Despite minorities nowadays receiving all sorts of special privileges and entitlements, DEI being one, to even debate it means you are "le bad". There is no meaning and no acceptance to be found in western culture, but these are the same white men that built the modern world, from all this will spring something new.

>>17943703
Like music to my eaaars

>>17943716
That's not what secularism means and Jesus turns freaks into normal people.

>>17940786
>You are LGBT

Impressive that I can be a lesbian, a gay man, bisexual, and trans all at once.

>>17941378
> Gays and Lesbians in Europe are more right-wing than Straights atm because they're opposing infesting the continent with abrahamic shitskins who want to kill them, like it or not they're a significant and powerful part of society

This just proves they have no power unless they go along with whatever the establishment wants. Ain’t nobody stopping Europe from becoming Islam Central, it’s straight up legal for Muslims to rape little white girls in London.

>>17941582
>And even if we did, we still could have kids you moronic Nazi waste of oxygen

If you’re going to suggest artificial insemination as a means to survive while physical sex is purely for pleasure, you may want to reconsider your ideology.

>>17944037
>That's not what secularism means
It is, you just don't know what you're talking about. Secularism is born out of people desiring intellectual and social freedom and most of the time these people are dysgenics that are persecuted by society (for good reason). Reminder that modern society is still christian and it's losing. Btu this is mostly because the government hates its people and religion can not reconcile that in a Jesus loves you narrative

When does Jesus say enough is enough and to destroy the government? He doesn't because he's a cuck

>>17939496
there's a huge difference between being attracted to males and subscribing to the whole cultural package. Just because someone is black doesn't mean that they must view hood rats favorably.

>>17938843 (OP)
gross fags are motivated by revenge

It's so funny to see the people here have seething hatred for homosexuals, go one or two boards away, and see the nastiest hardcore gay porn being posted. What, is it just one guy? Is it 5 maybe? Nah, you guys are just in denial, and need to stop caring about who likes fucking who, and worry about how to stop a possible civil war, or complete reenactment of the Roman Principate, except without the guys like Cato and Crassus having already been brutally killed by better men.

>>17943726
> muh meaning
> muh values
If you are not a cuck you would find your values withing instead of crying about it not being "installed" (npc-speak).

>>17939505
The thing about Palestine is that the zionists have been using our symbolisms everywhere all the time and using our names to justify their atrocities, we're basically stating we have nothing to do with what they are doing

>>17945255
>t. fag with a inflated ego
No one cares about you

>>17943251
Neoliberalism is the biggest spook retard. Neoliberals literally got society handed to them on a plate with extreme easy mode due to the rise of mass smart automation and the IT revolution, and they fucked it up within 20 years because they literally were so ideologically blinded by Hayek and Neo""classical"" econ that they ended up eroding the state and socities ability to do fucking anything.
How anyone can call Neoliberalism a success, when society is so hollowed out we can't even carry out basic infrastructure projects that were being done on massive scale a century ago, is fucking beyond me.
>Literally get given factories that can pump out houses
>End up with the biggest generational housing crisis since WW2, and do a 10000x fucking worse job actually dealing with it, than people did in the 1940s-50s.
>Neolibs:"Yeah we're so pragmatic!"

>>17940786
>>Conservatism
>Conservatives want to kill you.
You have father issues. He just thinks you're a faggot, he doesn't actually want to kill his gay son, he's just disappointed

Communism was always for homosexuals and mentally-unwell trannies.

>>17939501
this is the worst bait ever
>peter thiel
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/07/peter-thiel-is-the-conservative-gay-billionaire-behind-jd-vances-rise-to-power/
>sam altman
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/02/24/sam-altman-gay-husband-welcome-baby-boy/
>jeff bezos
https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/amazons-jeff-bezos-wife-make-25-million-donation-for-gay-marriage-idUSBRE86R014/
>the donald
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/02/trump-gays-yes-gay-marriage-no-049527
epstein's top guy btw
>elon
https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/us-news/tim-walz-refers-to-elon-musk-as-that-gay-guy-his-campaign-claims-he-misspoke/
his son is a troon with his genes
>zuck
he's not a real human being
>>17938843 (OP)
lavender scare and the gay scare. well known closeted homosexual roy cohn projected his tendencies and imprisoned gay people and shit and eisenhower signed in a law banning them from federal office.
this would lead them, of course to go towards the radical wing of the democrats, as the far right and the far left are well known to be homosexual(see nazi germany leaders), along with the rich

>>17938843 (OP)
Why is it surprising that there's a big overlap in people who criticise the estabilished cultural norms and what to change them and people who criticise the estabilished econimical order and what to change it? Communist ideas always had a big support among groups that were in any way rebelious, subversive or open to changem this is nothing new

Also, the type of "proletariat" that communits ideas were aimed at a century ago barely exists anymore in the western world. Most of the actual hard physical work in shitty conditions has been outsourced to the third world countries and dangerous, dirty or backbreaking professions remain often have decent pay or benefits to outweight this and those that don't are in a really small minority. People in trades usually actually make very decent money nowadays. The folks in actual worst position on the job market, shitty pay and bad job security are mostly young people without qualifications doing minimal pay corporate slavery work - and most of the far left types actually do belong to this group

>>17938843 (OP)
Thread just devolved into random /pol/ catchprashes so I answer it
The right is about the oppression of personal freedoms and religious conservatism that makes you feel bad for not having missionary sex for the sole purpose of producing babies.
The left wing, on the other hand, says that you can do whatever you want with your body.
It's pretty simple, basicaly freedom vs oppression

>>17946056
>The left wing says you can do whatever you want
In other words... this is the "wisdom" of Satan the serpent and deceiver who tells you: "you shall be as Gods"
Not recommended. This is a careless attitude to have, one attitude that I possessed before realizing just how destructive and moronic it really is. Trying to shelter and seclude yourself from norms, rules, tradition etc. never works out. communists, since the days of old, have even been saying that traditional families are "oppressive"
Honestly I have nothing but pity for those who possess this type of "mind"

>>17946178
>traditional families are "oppressive"
They are, but just like homosexuality used to be a crime and now is seen as pretty normal, soon things like transgender will also follow. People become more empatethic and understanding as the time goes and also more smart so they are less likely to fall for scapegoats

>>17946378
>more empatethic
These truly are some quite interesting spelling mistakes in your posts
>and also more smart so they are less likely to fall for scapegoats
Just ignore the average IQs of the top ranking Nazis tested at nuremberg, or how Adolf read thousands of books on various topics, or how the NSDAP had majority support among polytechnic colleges way before the general population caught wind, etc.

You're also wrong on people supposedly becoming smarter, because people are now becoming dumber for the first time in centuries. This is partially due to racial decline, partially due to the destructive effects of internet hyper reality, artificial intelligence substituting actual intelligence, short attention spans, lack of discipline, lack of seriousness, etc. etc.
This idea that the flynn effect would magically continue on forever is evidently false too. There is more "knowledge" now than ever before, this is true, but much of this knowledge is useless in day to day life

Recent trends also show a noticable shift towards callousness, toxicity, lack of empathy & lack of understanding other points of view etc. on social media platforms, even among those who claim to hold these virtues (in fact left wingers cannot even form proper models of right wing minds, whereas right wingers are easily able to form models of left wing minds). If you're unable to understand something as simple, ancient, coherent and effective as ethnic Nationalism for instance, then you truly can't be helped

>>17946056
>freedom is when your birthrate craters and your society collapses
Gee anon I love freedom

>>17938894
Ah right, the queer fags being contrasted with the modern elite of faggy autistics Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and the old blood semitic pedophile like Epstein and Weinstein. And the clueless judeo-anglos lost in between those two groups

>>17946056
>retarded commie tranny doesn't know how to save a full image and only saves thumbnails
Incredible.

>>17940830
Dude, the LGBT cult hold no actual meaningful positions that aren't just a contradictary mish mash of "if you don't give me what I want I'll kill myself and you'll be responsible, TERF"
The reality is, every reasonable demand of LGBT got given in the late 2000s and then they needed to keep that idpol and NGO gravy train going so they started massively slippery sloping and basically making everything teenagers with Tumblr came up with, new demands.
That is a thing as well, most of this new gender ideology came from TEENAGERS on Tumblr, the new Pride flag was literally designed by a Yiffing Furry community and now it's flown by councils and cities down every street. Entire concepts that are being used in "Trans medicine" came from Tumblr.
If you ever get gender cultists responding to you it's always "nobody is saying that" (then they literally say that) or just bullshit etymology/linguistic arguments about the meanings of words. Again, because they have no actual coherent position that can hold up to scrutiny.
This is why they act exactly the same as Zionists and make quick runs for jannie and mod positions, because the quicker they can censor opposition the better.

>>17938843 (OP)
If they lived in a communist society they would protest for capitalism. It's just about opposing a system

>>17938843 (OP)
Go ask in /gif/

>>17938843 (OP)
all the fag communities in western countries are run by jews. the fag flag (rainbow) was the jewish autonomous oblast flag from the ussr

>>17948426
Delusion.

>>17948430
stfu rabbi troon

>>17946673
>but the nazi read a book
wow! almost like they were the elite who used scapegoats and fearmongering to enslave their country
>Recent trends also show a noticable shift towards callousness, toxicity, lack of empathy & lack of understanding other points of view etc. on social media platforms
that's because everyone can play the tough guy on the internet, it doesnt' look like this in real world
>you're unable to understand something as simple, ancient, coherent and effective as ethnic Nationalism
Nationalism is a dead ideology and thank God for that
>>17946710
Society only gets better, everyone is richer and more happy than 30 years ago and those who were living 30 years ago where more happy and rich than people who lived 60 years ago
>b-but birth rates
Good, humans don't need to multiply to infinity like some cancer, im perfectly okay with 8 billion of them

>>17948456
People are generally poorer today than they were in the past. The zog sells us plastic and tells us to be happy

>>17938843 (OP)
Because race relations were relatively stable and the negroes did NOT rise up and kill whitey like the gommunists were counting on
Turning everyone into faggots was the next best thing - creating an artificial subversive class in American society.
Gommunism requires manipulating false revolutionaries into doing your bidding by proxy.
No subversives willing to revolt? Create them.

>>17940301
>society is the way it is because someone wanted it that way
Or maybe it just happened naturally.

>>17938843 (OP)
communism was always about access to easy sex

>>17941047
Tangentially related, but this is basic social contract theory. You're either a member of the contract, or you're not. If you are, then you have an incentive to uphold the social contract since you probably benefit. If you're not, then you don't. It's weird to exclude people from the contract if you don't really have to since you're just creating more enemies for the sake of it at that point.

It makes sense to exclude murderers, rapists, pedos, etcetera, because you can't have a civil society with them walking around freely. But homos? Irrational, they aren't innately prone to crime and they can spend more time on professional pursuits which is helpful if you're trying not to be a third world shithole. It's just feelz > realz shit

>>17948456
>everyone is richer
Yes
>and more happy
Depression is omnipresent among developed countries, so no.
>Nationalism is a dead ideology
It's still here bro. Your namefag is poleGOD so you should be keenly aware that Poland is one of the more Nationalistic countries in Europe at the moment