Thread 17939780

Is there anyone who can still defend ending apartheid in the year 2025? The effects were so devastating that they turned a once prosperous country into a violent backwards crime ridden shithole.
>but it was only good for the wipipo!!1!
copium, no its good for no one kek

>into a violent backwards crime ridden shithole
so what it always was

>>17939782
south africa used to produce quality scientists,engineers, doctors, etc...The first heart transplant was performed in south africa if i recall correctly, so was the first penis one.
Now all they produce are violent low iq nogs

>>17939780 (OP)
>the first country to develop mine-resistant vehicles

yeah man it was way more peaceful, how many years of mandatory service credit did you get with this shitpost? back to patrol, footie, de klerk isn't giving them an inch you see

>>17939780 (OP)
Definitely one of the biggest Ls of liberalism, which is why they memoryholed it so quickly.
But Apartheid was never going to last very long, it's a completely unsustainable system where most of the population lives in resentment and squalor

>>17939780 (OP)
and now?

http://www.google.com/search?q=south+africa+begs+white+farmers+to+return

http://www.bing.com/search?q=south+africa+begs+white+farmers+to+return

>>17939785
They still produce a similar number of doctors as places like Argentina. I feel like white nationalists overblow how much worse South Africa is now. Like it's still one of the best countries in Africa in most metrics, far from a hellhole by any means. It basically went from whites living in a developed 1st world country and blacks living in an underdeveloped 3rd world country, to both whites and blacks living collectively in a developing country on par with a lot of former 2nd world countries.

>>17940192
>whites living in a developed 1st world country and blacks living in an underdeveloped 3rd world country, to both whites and blacks living collectively in a developing country on par with a lot of former 2nd world countries.
Have you considered the fact that that's worse for white people? Why should we care about any other race?

>>17940196
Because race doesnt even exist.
Why would someone wouldnt care about other person only because they have a different phenotype?

>>17940196
cause imma utilitarian

>>17940203
Imagine being this fucking retarded lmao

>>17940204
Utilitarian for whom? That logic would imply that every wealthy country should have completely open borders and a welfare state.

Its their fault by not educating their negroe population.
Im from Dominican republic (a mulatto country) and my negroe ancestors did recieve education so my country could be succesfull.
Thats why the dominican republic has a pib per capita of 10,000$

>>17940203
Because I'm going to have to care about some people more than others, and in our modern globalized world those genetically, culturally, and ancestrally close to me are the ones I will choose to prioritize.

>>17940206
No, you maximize happiness by letting every country flourish with its native people. Immigrants aren't happy, and countries with lots of immigrants aren't happy.
>>17940207
Whatcha think of Haiti?

>>17940207
Its because of tourism and genetic white admixture being eugenic. We've tried in the US to help blacks and they still lag behind.

>>17940209
>letting every country flourish with its native people
White and black South Africans are of different nations. Also you're just wrong with your whole premise, every people is going to want to prioritize their interests over others, this doesn't mean you can't have pacts and alliances but asking white people to accept a decline in their life quality to boost nonwhites is just evil.

>>17940216
The whites wanted to live in Africa, so they have to live on equal footing with the blacks. It's not asking for a decrease in their QoL, it's saying that if their QoL relies on the exploitation of nonwhites, then it must be toppled.

>>17939780 (OP)
Yeah. Me. It was the only remaining way out without violent struggle, they could have had a much more adventageous settlement but the retards just HAD to have their cake and eat it too for as long as possible.
>The effects were so devastating that they turned a once prosperous country into a violent backwards crime ridden shithole.
South Africa was already backwards, even before their international exclusion in the late 60s.
Even before Apartheid. South Africa was always way at the back in development when compared to the rest of the White World.
>>17940216
Well the main premise of Apartheid is to inflate the QoL of Whites at the expense of a downtrodden mass of African Peons. You can't expect the blacks to agree to this and not attempt to free itself, can you?

>>17940237
>they have to live on equal footing with the blacks
Says who? We came to America and imposed our will on the land, it paid dividends. It's not "exploitation" to exclude foreign peoples from living in your society.

>>17940239
>You can't expect the blacks to agree to this and not attempt to free itself, can you?
I do not care what they want.

>>17939780 (OP)
Ending apartheid massively increased the standard of life for most the countries population so yes it was good

>>17940209
Im the dominican anon.
RD and Haiti have had complicated relations since the XIX century.
We joined their independence movement but then we saw haitian goverment was a joke and that it was affecting the economy of the spanish speaking part of the isle, thats why we wage war against them for our independence.
While the racial tensions werent so hard in RD, they were in haiti (If i remember well, haitians rape massively the white french women and executed every white french male) that would be insane to happen in RD.
Nowadays we have a curious case in the isle of la Hispaniola, in one hand we have one of the wealthiest countries in latinoamerica, RD, and in the other hand we have haiti, the poorest shithole in latinamerica.
I dont hate haitians but i dont want them in my country, first they have to get educated and then we can talk.
Dios patria y libertad

>>17940243
The tyranny of the majority...

>>17940240
Not foreign retard. It was one step above slavery. And they were essential to society.

>>17940245
Ya Haiti didn't end up the way it is on accident France and the US made sure of it.

>>17940247
All enemy races are foreign

>>17940241
you will be if they kicked down your door

>>17940250
Dominican anon again.
Yes, its probable the great powers took advantage off haiti for their own benefit.
We have similar cases in sudamerica, Colombia, Venezuela and argentina with the UK for example.

>>17940252
Not an enemy unless you make them one.

>>17940245
>executed every white french male
They didn't. Allies were left alone and several got some insider info to seek safety.

>in one hand we have one of the wealthiest countries in latinoamerica
Why exclude the Carribean (RD is a Carribean state) or Southern America?

>>17940254
That's why political systems are necessary anon.
>well you wouldn't like it if niggers robbed your home and shot you!
No, that's why whites need to collectivize and destroy all threats to our power.

>>17940245
>first they have to get educated and then we can talk.
The irony of a Dominican saying that

>>17940260
I want to make them one.

>>17940264
Meds now schizo.

>>17940239
By '90 to '92 what the apartheid government got was the absolute best deal left.
Now if they had been smart and dis-established Apartheid ten, twenty years before. Something more advantageous to them could have been arranged. But as it stands they were lucky to get their colors in the flag.
>>17940241
Ok.

>>17940267
Thankfully you have lost.

>>17940268
Go on Instagram Reels, all the zoomies agree.

>>17940208
Care isn't a limited resource.

>>17940216
>asking white people to accept a decline in their life quality to boost nonwhites is just evil.
Framing the possibility of an QoL gain in others being totally zero sum is why people think "core" westerners are neurotic as fuck.

>>17940271
Young White men are the furthest right wing demographic in America

>>17940274
>Care isn't a limited resource
It absolutely is lmao

>>17939785
>south africa used to produce quality scientists,engineers, doctors, etc.
They still do?

>etc...The first heart transplant was performed in south africa if i recall correctly
So one feat out of the countless other stats pulled off despite having a middle class/elite fuelling all the resources?

>>17939780 (OP)
Apartheid, politics aside. Was economically and socially unsustainable.
This was for two reasons:
I: Insistance on Republican norms. While technically a one party state, South Africa's NP only retained hegemony as long as it pleased a mob of unintelligent poor whites a bit dissociated from reality. This drastically limited their options when dealing with crises.
II: Economic dependence on the very thing they wnat to get rid of. White South Africans hated Niggers, but their economy needed them to work. They made every nigger outside specially created Niggerstans desert carry a card permiting them to live there. They banned Niggers from Pretoria, then established SoWeTo because they still needed Niggers to work.

>>17940273
The rise of right wing was something predictable.
The leftist movement was impulsed by the elites in order to create a reactionary far right movement which inculcated traditionalism as "based" "sigma", etc.
This was done in order to elevate the birth rate in europe and america.
People think this new movement is "rebellious" "anti system" when its the contrary.

>>17940288
Insanity

>>17940203
>Why would someone not care about children of other people just because they didn't come out of their wife's vagina?

^This is what you sound like.
Humans are tribal and they will always be tribal. Get over it.

>>17940346
>Humans are tribal and they will always be tribal. Get over it.
That's just a something sociopaths use to justify anti-social behavior. Why justify being a petty shit or screwing people over some tenuous at best connection?

>>17940239
>Well the main premise of Apartheid is to inflate the QoL of Whites at the expense of a downtrodden mass of African Peons.
How was it at their expense? Are you implying that if SA was all white country with no blacks then QoL for whites would be lower? This is obviously absurd.

>>17940237
>The whites wanted to live in Africa, so they have to live on equal footing with the blacks.
Why? Because wealth disparity makes you feel bad?

>>17940243
How? The B-W income gap is exactly the same as it was during apartheid

>>17939780 (OP)
>Is there anyone who can still defend ending apartheid in the year 2025?

The decolonization of Africa was a massive mistake, as it's long been clear that Black Africans are simply not evolved enough to successfully function in modern society.

>>17940346
> Humans are tribal
But race isn't a even tribe. I have nothing in common with random SA nigga (white or black).

>>17940354
Is it sociopathic to pay only for your child and not children of others?

>>17940203
Don't tell facts to incels buddy.

>>17940421
So you want to live in a society where you can actively domineer and abuse people, all while having your sociopathic behaviour condoned by the police, legal and political system that will actively suck your dick and be your beatstick the moment the locals try to have a back bone?

Boy that's called high school

>>17940366
SA had a massive non-white labour pool with basically jackshit labour rights and limited freedom to unionize, access career advancements and their associated pay raises and extremely depressed wages.

>>17940415
Wealth disparity is something all states try to reduce. In SA'a case you had access to modern medicne and rural hicks with jackshit access to key medical and infrastructure . That was just only pertaining to the white population so if the gap was that bad for the "better off" group imagine covering the entire scope of it in SA. The thing about the people who got rich off the colonial and Apartheid era policies was that they baaically fucked everyone up and being white only afforded you some protection at best.

>>17939780 (OP)
The country collapsed _ahead of schedule_ compare to what "White supremacists" predicted.

>>17940676
Anyone acting like foreign labour is an injustice should shut the fuck up until they protest for full sanctions against Gulf Arab states.

You don't actually give a fuck about it and you if it was so bad labourers in SA were free to leave unlike in Gulf Arab states where their passports are siezed.

Paying foreign labourers is not a crime, they are replacable and irrelevant to anything except depreciating native wages.

Ending Apartheid was good, as apartheid was unsustainable and unjust. However, when people like Winnie Mandela and Thabo Mbeki came to power everyone should have realized SA was doomed.

Apartheid was unsustainbale and had to end eventually.

>>17940909
>>17940912
Both of these are nonsense narratives from communists who wanted the West's only source of platinum reserves stripped away.

No one has any right to a country and wealth built by others. Least of all Bantu savages who entered the region by genociding the Khoi and built nothing new while still being allowed to live in their homelands after going back on their land sell contracts.