Thread 17940564

Abolitionists wanted millions of uneducated blacks to just be freed to roam around the South. They sure as shit didn't want them in the North.

>>17940564 (OP)
The average southerner wasn’t interested in spreading slavery, tariffs, the Constitution, or economics. The average southerner was concerned with a sudden mass emancipation that would free 4 million slaves and turn them loose on southern society. The northern politicians, nor the northern people were willing to accept any responsibility for the freedmen, therefore the hordes of ex-slaves would be turned over to southern society, with no preparation for self reliance. Southerners believed that since issues surrounding slavery affected them the most, they should be the ones who make any decisions on how it's handled, not meddling Yankees with no intentions of cooperation with the handling of the freedmen. Most southerners believed slavery was the better option until a situation was devised that would improve their condition and be acceptable to society, both North and South. The Mississippi Declaration of Secession clarified that the North “seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.”

>>17940564 (OP)
4 million slaves were freed and turned out on their own. That is what happened. As a result, hundreds of thousands died from starvation, exposure, and disease.

The South understood that unless there was a responsible plan in place to facilitate the transition, keeping them in their current condition was more humane.

“You have already emancipated nearly two millions of our slaves, and if you will take care of them, you may emancipate the rest. I had a few when the war began. I was of some use to them; they never were of any to me. Against their will you 'emancipated' them, and you may 'emancipate' every negro in the Confederacy, but we will be free! We will govern ourselves.”
~ Jefferson Davis, The Atlantic Monthly, Aug. 18, 1864, "Our Visit to Richmond," by J. R. GILMORE. Mr. GILMORE accompanied Col. JAQUES

>>17940613
>whitey cries out in pain as he strikes you

lol you're responsible for slaves you brought them here

also imagine acting like getting infinite free labor is a burden and that you are doing them a favor by brutalizing them as labor cattle

the audacity is unbelievable

>>17940622
>y-you're responsible
>but we're not the ones wanting them freed?
>REEEE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE!
Importing slaves had been stopped for decades. Also several big slave import places were in the North.
Nice b8, got a reply. Enjoy it.

>>17940626
>nonsensical pilpul

you are responsible you brought them here. everything else is your typical whataboutism from your kind.

also imagine unironically posting that picture when you're a settler colonist from fucking britain lmao

>>17940613
>we need this guy to keep working for free for me
>yes, this is very humane and the only reason why I'm willing to bear this sacrafice of having this guy be working for me for free

>>17940564 (OP)
Actually, Lincoln wanted to deport them all back to Africa, but was assassinated by the Jew John Wilkes Booth. Most slave owners were Jews

>>17940568
>The south reaps what it sowed.
>Blames the north for not solving its self made social problems for them.
>That totally justifies our slave state ruled by larping aristocrat wannabees!

Maybe you should have thought about that before kidnapping, raping, and torturing us for generations then

The South should have been genocided for treason

>>17940741
There were barely 10,000 Jews in the South, moron. Most did not or could not invest in agriculture, so slaving wasn’t a viable option for most of them. Southern Jews largely clustered around urban areas.

>>17940564 (OP)
Its like anti abortionists. They don't give a fuck about the little fucker the moment its out of the mom's cooter.

>>17940568
>The average southerner wasn’t interested in spreading slavery
Bleeding Kansas

>>17940613
You literally massacred other white people on the frontier territories and picked fights with the Mexican government because you wanted to keep raping and tormenting us

Kidnapping and owning a black person was quite literally a status aspiration for poor and middle class white southerners

>>17940564 (OP)
The Corwin Amendment was never made into law and isnt part of the US constitution so this argument is moot.

>>17940564 (OP)
Slavery was protected as private property, just as it was in the USA Constitution. It said that the federal government could not touch slavery in the states, just as slavery was a state authority in the USA.

The only difference was that the CSA Constitution spelled out slavery instead of being recognized just as private property in the US Constitution.

>>17940622
Slavery can’t be removed from the subject. However, context has to be applied to understand the dynamic.

First questions you ask your friend…

Prior to the war,

Who suggested a comprehensive, responsible, plan for mass emancipation prior to 1861?

Once freed, what would be done with the 4 million freedmen?

Would the Northern States’ have supported emancipation if it meant that 4 million freedmen would be evenly distributed in Northern States only?

The answers to the questions are what drove the South to defend their position.

>>17941705
What was to be done with white freemen? Nothing

>>17941682
If it was a state matter then why did the fugitive slave act make free states allow slave hunts?

>>17940622
Because I’m here to honor my ancestors and preserve their memory. They fought against what you are crying about right now. You get so lost in the “slavery” weeds that you miss the main point of it all.

I’m not loud now because we are defenseless to stop it. We are subjugated by the federal government and we have no recourse. Secession was that lever of power that kept the federal government in check.

It’s too late to cry now.

>>17940613
Yeah I'm sure the south was primarily concerned for the welfare of their now stolen property lmao. Definitely gonna go fight and die in the hundreds of thousands because if we don't some freed slaves could die!

>>17940622
>lol you're responsible for slaves you brought them here
Actually, you'll be surprised to learn that I wasn't alive when they brought slaves here.

>>17940741
>Most slave owners were Jews
Correct, they were the actual owners of many major slave ships. They were trying to destroy America and trying to make a profit from it.

>>17941315
Rehash of a lie that's been retold again and again. Murdering a born child is equally as heinous as murdering them before birth, you worthless hypocrite. Such absolutely shameless lies you tell. Disproved as soon as they come out of your mouth.

>>17941892
>Rehash of a lie that's been retold again and again. Murdering a born child is equally as heinous as murdering them before birth, you worthless hypocrite. Such absolutely shameless lies you tell. Disproved as soon as they come out of your mouth.

>>17940564 (OP)
Slavery was merely the occasion and NOT the cause of secession. And war was a choice made by Lincoln, and for what, not to end slavery but for “Union.” It was a euphemism for a cause to deny a people their right of self-determination, of a government by consent of the governed, and for what? Political and economic control of the entire country. And the Constitutional protection regarding the equity of the States be damned!

>>17941854
>union
>paired with vietnam

two can play that game

>>17941922
Your father must've beat you as a child

>>17940564 (OP)
Ohio Senator John Sherman (Gen. W. T. Sherman’s brother) struck this note when he announced,
“The great mass of this country are opposed to slavery - morally, socially, politically.” But he added that Ohio did not like Negroes; that the people of the Midwest were “opposed to having Negros among them;” and that colored people were “spurned and hated all over the country North and South.”

>>17940564 (OP)
>Abolitionists wanted millions of uneducated blacks to just be freed to roam around the South.
Thats what the slavers wanted.
Since they imported them, bred them, & replaced the local populace with them.
Left to their own devices, Whites would have gone extinct in the South.

>>17940564 (OP)
On taking slave property into the territories:

The “war-cry” employed to train the northern mind for the deeds contemplated by the agitators was “no extension of slavery!” Was this sentiment real or feigned? The number of slaves would not have been increased by their transportation to the new territory. It could not be augmented by further importation, for the law of the land made that piracy. Southern men were the leading authors of that enactment, and the public opinion of their descendants, stronger than the law, fully sustained it. The climate of Kansas and Nebraska was altogether unsuited to the Negro, and the soil was not adopted to those productions for which negro labor could be profitably employed.

Jefferson Davis, The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, Vol 1

>>17940564 (OP)
Northern abolition was accomplished by selling their slaves South during the 25 year grace period. Here is just one primary quote of which I could provide many regarding selling South:

“The principal operation of abolition in the North was to transfer Northern slaves to Southern markets."

(Ingram's "History of Slavery," London, 1895, p. 184.)

>>17940564 (OP)
trvthnuke

>>17942067
Eh, left to their own devices, the demographic imbalance would have continued to grow and eventually resulted in a Haiti situation. Really, the North saved the south from a problem of its own making. Should have just left us to get butchered with machetes because all these goddamn delicate lost causers can’t get over the fact that our ancestors created a problem, refused to address the problem, and then threw a tantrum when someone else decided to clean up our mess.
>>17942134
>Jefferson Davis
That lost causers quote him for any reason other than showing the extent of the self incited delusions the southern aristocrats operated under just demonstrates the only lost cause here are it’s adherents.

>>17943238
martyring brown contributed to southern fears of a haiti-style slave rebellion which in turn led to the civil war that freed the slaves, which according to what john brown said before his execution is exactly what he hoped his death would accomplish. this was a big self-own by the honorbrained retards of the south.