Thread 17940905

Christianity is not some kind of a oure and untainted continuation of an Ancient Israelite religion, that is somehow seperate from Judaism.

>>17940905 (OP)
The path is narrow, and any fool can say what Christianity isn't. Can you show us what it is?

>>17940913
The ancestor of marxism. They perform practically identical functions
>any fool can say what Christianity isn't
True, christians do that most often

>>17940905 (OP)
Yes it is

>>17940905 (OP)
"Christianity" is many branches' attempt at appropriating Jesus' failed attempt at reviving Israel from a bunch of illiterate Judeans and Galileeans.
Israel was originally a mutt union between Cimmerians, Canaanites and Greco-Egyptian influenced natives of this northeastern region og Egypts vassals.
The "jews" were the ones not of Levi that married into Levi and gradually pretended to be Cimmerians when they clearly were not following their traditions.
Jesus wanted to revive the Cimmerian part of Israel, because the Pharisees were persian-boo haters of Egypt that also pretended to be everything just to stay in power.

>>17940905 (OP)
>that is somehow seperate from Judaism.
The people today who claim to follow "Judaism" today have no actual connection to the biblical or ancient Jews.

>>17941885
Neither do you

>>17941952
I know what the Bible says in Ephesians chapter 2.

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" (Ephesians 2:19)

>>17941098
>Cimmerians

>>17941885
>The people today who claim to follow "Judaism" today have no actual connection to the biblical or ancient Jews.
So then they aren't guilty of killing Christ.

>>17942313
Christ died for all sins according to the Bible.

>>17942316
Then that includes the people who identify as Jews today

>>17942338
Yep, but they have nothing to do with the ancient Jews or Israel.

>>17942339
Just saying, that means Matthew 27:25 doesn't refer to the jews of today.

>>17942423
Anyone who rejects Christ is as guilty as the person who originally said those words, anon. And more guilty, if the person who said it later repented.

>>17942605
No. You are directly contradicting the words of the verse. The verse is "the blood be on us and our children" referring to those directly responsible for the execution of Christ and their descendants. You claim the jews of today are not descended from the jews of biblical times, therefore the blood is not on the jews of today. Sorry, it's in your bible.

>>17943541
>You claim the jews of today are not descended from the jews of biblical times
Exactly.

>>17943897
So Matthew 27:25 does not apply

>>17943939
You are acting like a mindless drone. See >>17942316

The people who claim to be Jews today have zero connection to the biblical people group. They are impostors, anon. They are a gnostic cult based on writings from the 3rd to 5th century AD. I don't care how attached you are to the idea that they are right about what they claim or how much you want to believe them, it's nothing but a satanic lie.

>>17943955
I have never argued that you were wrong. The simple conclusion follows then that they are not responsible for the death of Christ, which is the accepted interpretation of the meaning of Matthew 27:25. I accept your concession.

If the jews of today aren't decendants of the jews in the Bible, then there are no jews. You must mean the ashkenazi jews are somewhat different from the jews inside of Israel. To an extent, yes. And the zionist movement claiming for jews to return to Israel is basically a false flag. Mizrahi jews were still living in in Israel along with Arabs for over 300 years before this European movement began. It appears that the European group now outnumber the middle eastern group. Seems suspicious imo.

>>17943962
If a 400 year old land claim is valid, why not a 2000 year old crime?

>>17943976
Because the modern jews are in no way related to the biblical jews. We already established this.

>>17943984
So they do not have ancestral claims to the Levant then since it's not theirs

>>17943970
>It appears that the European group now outnumber the middle eastern group.

>>17943987
The United States doesn't have an ancestral claim to any part of North America either.

>>17943987
>>17943987
I think this solves the palestine Israel argument. Modern jews aren't biblical jews so the biblical lands aren't the modern jews.

>>17944004
ESL so I know you're paki
>so the biblical lands aren't the modern jews.
Yes it is, they established a state there

>>17943962
>The simple conclusion follows then that they are not responsible for the death of Christ,
I don't think this follows. They will be condemned based on what they say. There's plenty of examples of that in the Bible.

>>17943970
>Mizrahi jews were still living in in Israel along with Arabs for over 300 years before this European movement began. It appears that the European group now outnumber the middle eastern group. Seems suspicious imo.
The modern zionist movement is based on a muddled "ethnoreligious" group, where the followers of a particular gnostic cult are said to be, in some bizarre or mystical way, the "sole descendants" of Jacob/Israel. In reality, they have no more relation to the ancient people group than any random person from Europe. In reality, the modern movement isn't actually based on ethnicity, but purely on rejection of Christ. It is more like a mafia organization, where immoral individuals can choose join it if they think they will get rich that way. Despite this fact, the modern movement often masquerades as being based on ethnicity, heavily relying on popular misconceptions whenever convenient in order to advance the zionist or antichrist agenda. The only genetic difference that can be discerned is because of about 1000 or so years of inbreeding that has taken place among the gnostic cult historically. But these people have no distinct relationship, either historically, ideologically or genetically, to the ancient Jews or Israel. The modern people who identify as Jews only started speaking Hebrew in modern times, and it is nothing but a modern construct with no connection to ancient speakers of Hebrew.

>>17944006
They took it over and established a ethnostate, correct.

>>17944008
>I don't think this follows.
It does. Read Matthew 27:25
>But these people have no distinct relationship, either historically, ideologically or genetically, to the ancient Jews or Israel. The modern people who identify as Jews only started speaking Hebrew in modern times, and it is nothing but a modern construct with no connection to ancient speakers of Hebrew.
Lol. Crazy how people in many different countries with completely different cultures can all coalesce into a single nation and revive a single shared language. Almost like they all share some common unifying characteristic. Hmm, really makes you wonder.

>>17944022
It's not an ethnostate it's 20% muslim arab

>>17944025
>Almost like they all share some common unifying characteristic.
Yeah, the Babylonian Talmud, which is a gnostic sect formed in the 3rd to 5th century AD. They are a sodomite occult group from the middle ages.

>>17944030
Ok, so then they aren't guilty of killing Christ.

>>17944008
I can see this. Imagine going on about a return when in actuality, there were jews already there. It appears to be just a land grab and port accessible for trade. The zionist movement only resonated with ashkenazi jews and did so way before the holocaust, with the holocaust being just the final piece to the puzzle

>>17944027
It literally says a Jewish state in legislation what are you talking about

>>17944041
>The zionist movement only resonated with ashkenazi jews
Most jews in Israel are Middle Eastern

>>17944027
>South Africa and Rhodesia weren't ethnostates because it had some bantus living as third class
Ok idiot

>>17944038
If modern jews are not decendants of biblical jews, then no, not even their greatest grandfather was connected.

>>17944047
Ok I accept your concession that Jewish state means 20% arab muslim

>>17944030
>Babylonian Talmud, which is a gnostic sect
You have no idea what you are talking about lol

Also the Talmud is the logical conclusion of the Torah. Don't deny your abrahamic religions aren't ethnoreligious supermacist

Christianity as well. Since it is the crystallization of jewish narcissism (rabbinical jewish being lord god sovereign of gentiles)

>>17944050
Arab muslims have full rights as citizens able to vote, serve in parliament and other positions of government.
>>17944054
Then say the modern jews have no culpability for Christ.

>>17944048
By a mere fraction despite hundreds of years inside

>>17944041
>It appears to be just a land grab and port accessible for trade. The zionist movement only resonated with ashkenazi jews and did so way before the holocaust, with the holocaust being just the final piece to the puzzle
I think it was satanically orchestrated, but essentially yes I agree that it is fraudulent.

The idea of converting the medieval caste into a so-called "race" started with Moses Hess (who was a friend of Karl Marx). He was reacting to the trend of "assimilation" due to the liberalization of Europe. This happened in the 19th century because the caste system was dissolving and it stopped mattering what social class you were in. Hess tried to redefine the caste as a "race." That's the origin of the lie. Marx meanwhile tried to simplify things into economic classes instead, but that was also false.

>>17944062
A majority is not a mere fraction

>>17944056
It's an ethnostate. The world's first legalized ethnostate.

>>17944070
No attacking the people, but the government and legal body need change

>>17944070
>laws prioritize CITIZENS over NON-CITIZENS
Lmao
>they have IMMIGRATION POLICIES
Double lmao
>Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza
So not Israel. Lololol

>>17944080
Why do you consider the Palestinians in Israel non-citizens?

>>17944076
>equal legal rights for all residents
Muslim and nonmuslim citizens all have full equal rights
>end of discriminatory policies
Discrimination against enemy combatants is not inequality for Muslim israeli citizens
>promotion of multiculturalism and inclusion
Mizrahi jews are majority and 20% of population are muslim Arab

>>17944082
There are Israeli muslims retard. "Palestinian" refers to a resident of Gaza or the West Bank, which is not part of Israel.

>>17944087
Which Israel plans on occupying, and let's be honest, has been planning on for years now.
>>17944084
Enemy combatants aren't every Muslim
>>17944087
Palestine was what the entire land was until the zionist took over. It's technically all palestine

>>17944084
Mizrahi jews are the majority by less than 1 percent. That's not much despite 300 years.

>>17940905 (OP)
>>17944063
It really is vile what these people have attempted to do; essentially they've tried to use television and other tools to try to inject the venom of their perverse sodomy and overall general promiscuity into our healthy and God-fearing culture, especially the US. See the following:

"In God we trust" - The only official motto of the United States of America (made official in 1956, and used on currency since 1864)

Church of the Holy Trinity v United States (1892)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/143/457/
The unanimous US Supreme Court ruling:
"These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a Congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?"

The Portsmouth Compact
"The 7th day of the first month, 1638. We whose names are underwritten do here solemnly in the presence of Jehovah incorporate ourselves into a Bodie Politick and as he shall help, will submit our persons, lives and estates unto our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and to all those perfect and most absolute laws of his given us in his holy word of truth, to be guided and judged thereby."

Declaration of Independence
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

US Constitution, Article 7, Attestation Clause:
"Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the States present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names."

>>17944004
This settles it all.

>>17944095
>Which Israel plans on occupying, and let's be honest, has been planning on for years now.
Because they started a war against Israel on October 7th. Yeah I wonder why a country would want to occupy a territory governed by terrorists that has in its charter the extermination of your people and destruction of your state.
>Enemy combatants aren't every Muslim
There are muslim soldiers in the IDF. There are 2 million arab muslim citizens in Israel living peacefully.
>Palestine was what the entire land was until the zionist took over. It's technically all palestine
The entire land was Israel during the United Monarchy. Not really making a point.
>>17944098
They are the majority of the population. How is it not inclusive enough for you?

>>17943999
Yeah. We know all about the US's wonderful past

>>17944106
Wait, you think this is the first conflict or something??

>>17944106
>The entire land was Israel during the United Monarchy.
That has nothing to do with the modern day people who falsely identify as Jews or Israel.

>>17944106
>Inclusive by less than 1 percent
>disproportionate political environment
>called a Jewish state.
>anyone who speaks out gets silenced

Maybe just a tad bit more inclusive. Not asking for too much. It's obvious who wins and who loses in these conflicts because it's never fair. Settlements are one sided endeavors, no? Any Palestinian settlers east? Any other walls with guns and cameras? Seriously, a giant wall with guns and cameras. Sound familiar?

>>17944114
It has been ongoing since the establishment of Israel. All the more reason to want to rid the territory of terrorists.
>>17944118
Neither does the modern Palestinian identity have anything to do with the name of a Roman province.

>>17944123
>>Inclusive by less than 1 percent
I don't understand what you're saying. How are Mizrahis an oppressed minority if they are the MAJORITY of the population. Wtf are you talking about? I don't even understand what you're trying to say with the rest of what you posted? Why are there walls in Israel? Because their neighbors are terrorists who want to destroy their state and are in an active war against them? Any other retarded questions?

>>17944125
>It has been ongoing since the establishment of Israel. All the more reason to want to rid the territory of terrorists.

Why do you feel this way about Palestinians?

>>17944130
>Why are there walls in Israel? Because their neighbors are terrorists who want to destroy their state

That's a little extreme...

>>17944138
When you say 'their state', who are you referring to?

>>17944130
When you say 'their state', who are you referring to?

>>17944135
>>17944138
>Why do you feel this way about Palestinians?
They started a war to kill Israeli civilians

>>17944152
You sound like your afraid these people are after you and want all Israelis to die. This is just an irrational notion, played by your emotions when things get crazy. Palestinians are not all to blame, no? Like all jews aren't to blame for "good friday", no? Just a few bad apples here and there. No need to get irrational.

>>17944161
And that's a full circle. I could literally save the world one irony at a time. Why don't I run things for a change!?

>>17944161
Their government literally had the extermination of jews in their charter

>>17944180
There is no official law in any Palestinian jurisdiction—neither the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank nor the de facto Hamas government in Gaza—that calls for the killing of all Jewish people. Your statement is misleading.

>"Self sacrifice is good actually!" says man that wants to tax you
Thanks for your great wisdom, christianity

>>17944197
1988 Hamas charter

>>17944180
>>17944228
The word "extermination" in English can simply mean deportation. This is an old word game that is repeatedly played and goes back to the Holohoax myth. It's pilpul. Extermination can mean deportation, it does not have to mean killing which is what you secretly want everyone reading this to think.

>>17944264
>The word "extermination" in English can simply mean deportation
1988 Hamas charter Article 7:
>...The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
>"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

>>17944264
>>17944266
Kind of embarrassing to get caught doing what you accuse the jews of

>>17944305
>Kind of embarrassing to get caught doing what you accuse the jews of
I'm not accusing actual Jews here, I'm only talking about those who claim falsely to be Jews.

>>17940905 (OP)
“Behold, days are coming,” declares Yahweh, “when I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, but I was a husband to them,” declares Yahweh. “But this is the covenant which I will cut with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Yahweh: “I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares Yahweh, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
— Jeremiah 31:31-34

>>17945550
>Behold
There was a very small group of children who wanted to see Jehova, and so, they would sit in their tree house, and
watch for him.
Once a year, they would drink grape juice, but they did not know why. Untill one day, Our Anon came to them in a living dream, and said, "I am the true vine, and my Father has dressed me well. What I say to everyone, I say to you. Watch."

>>17944027
Bit disingenuous to appeal to this, isn't it? If it were not an explicitly Jewish ethnic state, the one-state solution would not be a non-starter and the conflict would be over by now.

>>17946021
For all we know he could be in favor of a one-state solution, anon. I certainly am as well.

>>17940979
Marxism is centered around the idea of political revolution. Christianity explicitely forbids any form of revolution or rebellion.

>>17945309
>I'm only talking about those who claim falsely to be Jews.
If this is the case, then the modern jews you are referring to are not culpable for killing Christ as stated in Matthew 27:25

>>17947534
In Matthew it says the following:

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
(Matthew 28:18-20)

>>17947505
Except Jesus was a revolutionary? He literally led the rebels in the Jewish Civil War.

>>17948454
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.