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Anonymous No.17941033 [Report] >>17941056 >>17941061 >>17941110 >>17941421 >>17942744 >>17942935 >>17942938 >>17944116
Could China become Eastern Orthodox?
China is currently suffering from a marriage/dating drought and a resultant birthrate crisis.

Chinese women are too demanding in marriage and often demand bride prices, and there's an oversupply of men. Meanwhile, Russia has an oversupply of women; even before the current war, many of them have been snubbed for being violent/alcoholic/abusive, etc. And because of this, many of the women have started turning towards Chinese men instead, sometimes even starting families and having children. And of course, now that there actually is a war, well...

My question is, could Russian brides convert their Chinese husbands to Eastern Orthodoxy? And could this have a downward effect of spreading Eastern Orthodoxy amongst their children and eventually among the entire population, converting China to an Eastern Orthodox country?

One counterargument to this could be that China doesn't officially recognize any Orthodox churches, only Protestant and Catholic. (The Manchuria region does have a few Orthodox churches, but today they're museums only.) I'm aware many Christians of all denominations condemn the official arms as propagandistic, though.

Any new or splinter "religious movements" in China would easily be brutally suppressed, as we've seen with the FLG and Eastern Lightning. There seems to be more persecution against (and pressure to Sinicize) Abrahamic religions; the late-Qing Taiping Rebellion, and more recently Xinjiang terrorism/separatism, has already left a sour taste in the mouths of the Chinese.

Thus, if Joseph Smith were born in China, I know he was assassinated in our timeline, but the government would see Mormonism more as a threat and work more actively to root out its adherents and dispersion, and we might not see widespread missions, control of an entire state, etc. like today.

Another counterargument could be that China is already a male dominated society. Ironically, it's socialism/the PRC that's best undermined this in Chinese history.
Anonymous No.17941056 [Report] >>17946459 >>17946466
>>17941033 (OP)
This is a thinly veiled racemixing fetishism thread
Anonymous No.17941061 [Report]
>>17941033 (OP)
Russians barely follow EO themselves, let alone making effort to convert anyone in any direction.
Anonymous No.17941062 [Report]
abrahamic religion is for backwards barbaric societies

eastern european women marrying into china should simply ditch the jew cults
Anonymous No.17941110 [Report] >>17941316
>>17941033 (OP)
Mormonism was pretty persecuted in the US, don't underestimate the power of persecution to have the opposite effect and galvanize a cult. They were driven out of Missouri and Illinois thus they ended up in what would become Utah after a deal to abandon polygamy for statehood. The Republican Party actually had a poster that I saw, talking about the "twin barbarisms" of polygamy and slavery.

In China, I don't see Eastern Orthodoxy really gaining a foothold, unless it submits to the government like the Official Chinese Catholic Church (which isn't recognized by Rome iirc?). Protestants have an easier time because they don't have an Episcopal structure neccessarily, can utilize house churches and ordain Pastors in secret, hold services in house churches without all the trappings of Icons and Parishes.
Anonymous No.17941316 [Report]
>>17941110
I'm well-versed in this topic, and believe a major advantage (evangelical) Protestantism has over the other branches of Christianity when it comes to grappling with the situation in China, I think, is submitting to God as the authority, and not having to go through some sort of human father or patriarch to represent God.

Church decorations or buildings razed? No biggie, a church is a group of people, not a building. Maybe it's a lesson or trial from God against superficiality.

Pastor arrested? Yes, unfortunate, pray for him, but maybe it's a lesson or trial from God against invoking politics in church, or using religion as a vehicle for activism.

Forced to register sermons with the government? Easy, try to work with the authorities rather than against them, and acknowledge that being Christian does not require Western cultural influences.

Kids banned from going to church? Private schools shut down? Do what Jews have done and try to teach Christian values at home and Christian morals at regular school.

Similar logic to situations faced by Christian (albeit Catholic) missionaries in early modern Japan, in which they toned down their faith and agreed to submit to stepping on images of Christ, observing an interpretation that Christ would forgive them. Even if every church in one city shut down... one option is fleeing elsewhere as Jesus Himself literally stated. Another is living out God's values in personal life like Daniel or the Apostles did.

That way, the church is less "big", and it ends up being this sort of win-win situation where the Christians get to believe, while the Chinese authorities are satisfied there isn't another organization rising up to challenge their authority.

Trade-offs to this model, though, could involve limited theological control, and reduced religiosity. Apparently, many fellowships in China, stripped of strong leadership, have basically devolved into friend groups.
Pakistani Bro No.17941421 [Report] >>17941525 >>17942934
>>17941033 (OP)
No but it will become Muslim

Chinese are too smart to convert to a jewish supremacist cult
Anonymous No.17941525 [Report] >>17941633
>>17941421
What makes Christianity any more of a Jewish supremacist cult than Islam? All three hate the other two.
Pakistani Bro No.17941633 [Report] >>17941841 >>17943491 >>17943580
>>17941525
Islam is the most antizionist force of this world

Whereas judeochristianity is their biggest enablers
Anonymous No.17941841 [Report] >>17942432
>>17941633
Eastern Orthodoxy isn't like this I'm pretty sure

In fact many Palestinians, many victims of Israeli aggression, are Eastern Orthodox
Pakistani Bro No.17942432 [Report] >>17942595 >>17943605 >>17945734
>>17941841
"Eastern Orthodoxy" is not organized religion

Serbs, Bulgarians and Romanians are turbozionists while being orthodox. In fact Israel was the main helper of Serbs when they genocided Albanians and Bosnians

The judeochristianity sect Palestinians follow is Nestorian I think
Anonymous No.17942595 [Report] >>17942603
>>17942432
Wikipedia says they're "Melkites".
Anonymous No.17942603 [Report] >>17942745
>>17942595
Melkites and Catholics are Nestorians in denial
Anonymous No.17942698 [Report] >>17942719
Chinese men marrying Russian women is common, but not that common.
Anonymous No.17942719 [Report]
>>17942698
Nor common enough.
Anonymous No.17942744 [Report]
>>17941033 (OP)
they don’t allow bibles that aren’t praty approved, the church there is 2000 years behind on spreading the Word
Anonymous No.17942745 [Report]
>>17942603
how the hell are catholics nestorian?
Anonymous No.17942747 [Report] >>17942766
Anonymous No.17942766 [Report]
>>17942747
>evangelise

you misspelled colonize, genocide, steal, enslave
Anonymous No.17942934 [Report]
>>17941421
>Chinese are too smart to convert to a jewish supremacist cult
Yet they are under a Jewish implementation of government.
Anonymous No.17942935 [Report]
>>17941033 (OP)
No. The CCP tightly controls all religion and promotes state atheism. A foreign faith gaining mass influence? Zero chance. They'd crush it long before it became a demographic trend, regardless of any bride price issues.
Anonymous No.17942938 [Report]
>>17941033 (OP)
>could Russian brides conver their chinese husbands
probably not, especially since Russians in general are extremely irreligious, a good portion of them will say they are orthodox but in practice they certainly don't follow it
Anonymous No.17943324 [Report]
>could
already is you're too late OP
Anonymous No.17943348 [Report] >>17943635 >>17944068
China is on its way to becoming majority Christian, but it's evangelical protestant, not eastern orthodox.
Anonymous No.17943491 [Report]
>>17941633
>Islam is the most antizionist force of this world
yeah im sure MBS hates israel
Anonymous No.17943580 [Report]
>>17941633
Not sunni islam, just shia. You sunnis are pathetic cucks.
Anonymous No.17943605 [Report]
>>17942432
>Bulgarians
That's right. I support greater Israel and hope more mutts and goat fuckers die in wars for the Israeli.
Nobody is a bigger supporter of americans dying for Israel, than me. Nobody.
Anonymous No.17943635 [Report] >>17944422
>>17943348
God bless the Chinese, by the grace of Christ they, along with the South Americans and Africans, shall inherit the earth after secularism burns the west to ash.
Anonymous No.17944068 [Report] >>17944412 >>17944422
>>17943348
It is the 24th century. The Red Army continues to conquer and subsume its neighbors. Having already assumed most of Southeast Asia, the Korean Peninsula, Siberia, and Central Asia, it now sets its sights on an invasion of Japan.

One morning, Zhu Daming, the President of the CPC wakes up and recounts to his generals an unusual dream he had last night.

"Comrades!" he announces, "I have witnessed a most unusual vision in my sleep. As I gazed upon the East China Sea separating us from the Japanese dogs, a great sign appeared in the sky - a golden emblem blazing against the dawn. And right below it, it said: 'By this symbol, you shall conquer.' It was hard to make out, but it resembled the character for 'ten'."

"Poppycock!" grunts General Zhou.Yibo. "As I recall, we outlawed superstitions and mandated state secularism centuries ago. Are we not still dealing with illegal religious cults that threaten to topple our authority today?"

President Zhu sighs. "You will do as you are told." He pauses. "You know, now that I think about it, maybe the 'cultists' were on to something after all."

"Long live the President! Long live the Communist Party of China!" the generals chant in unison.
Anonymous No.17944116 [Report] >>17944349
>>17941033 (OP)
>China is currently suffering from a marriage/dating drought and a resultant birthrate crisis.
Orthodox birth rates are in a gutter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_subjects_of_Russia_by_total_fertility_rate
Anonymous No.17944349 [Report] >>17945571
>>17944116
muh "russia is based tho"
Anonymous No.17944412 [Report] >>17944422
>>17944068
China's armed forces are the PLA (People's Liberation Army) not the Red Army, otherwise sick altfuture.
Anonymous No.17944422 [Report] >>17944437
>>17943635
Again, Islam could also prove to be an alternative in places like Europe and the rest of Asia, as it could serve as a primary avenue for religiosity and spirituality where Protestantism fails, though I theorize it could far diverge from its current state in practice and culture.

>>17944068
>>17944412
I'm personally a Chinese Catholic myself, but might make a full post on Chinese Christianity, either on the sub or here.
Anonymous No.17944437 [Report] >>17944438
>>17944422
The sub? We have a subreddit?
Anonymous No.17944438 [Report] >>17944861
>>17944437
I meant Reddit in general.
Anonymous No.17944861 [Report]
>>17944438
Well whatever you do, try and make sure we can see it, I'm curious about your opinion.
Anonymous No.17945571 [Report] >>17945713 >>17946136
>>17944349
Russia being based is literally just a massive propaganda psyop. There was this one guy who moved there from Texas with his family, unable to speak Russian or anything.

And first thing they did when they got there? They conscripted him on the front lines in Ukraine. He died, of course, but they're being opaque about it so they can take advantage of their naiveness and the language barrier, and withhold financial compensation.
Anonymous No.17945713 [Report] >>17947481
>>17945571
He wasn't conscripted, he volunteered for citizenship for his family. Him thinking that he'll be spared the front line was a major brainfart, but Russia isn't going around conscripting immigrants and tourists.
Anonymous No.17945734 [Report]
>>17942432
>Romanians are turbozionists while being orthodox.
What?
We try to stay away from that fiasco as much as possible, because it doesn't help us with anything.
Anonymous No.17946136 [Report]
>>17945571
Based
The more amerimutts die, the better
Anonymous No.17946459 [Report]
>>17941056
That's a bad thing?
Anonymous No.17946466 [Report]
>>17941056
Timmy can't help it. His mind breaks when he sees a race state working without his involvement. They have to add in race in some way.
Anonymous No.17947481 [Report]
>>17945713
Before this fiasco I wasn't even aware that Russia would be so eager to take non-Russian citizen conscripts. E.g. what if one of them's a covert Ukraine sympathizer plotting to sabotage or steal intel?