Thread 17941119

Japan did nothing wrong during WW2

They did everything wrong

The whole WW2 Japan thing was Japs getting in their mind they are a white(lol) western colonial power after having a few victories against russia and decided it was time to do a hecking colonization in the entire Asia Pacific like white barbarians they look up to and emulate

They should've been nuked a third time actually. Not because they were allied with the Germans, chauvinism etc., simply because they were asians. Asians lack empathy and only recognize strength. You can even see it in their gook cuckime, which isn't creative at all with them constantly fetishizing wypipo and pretending to be them. Koreans are more humble however, so they get a pass.

>>17941119 (OP)
They started a war they knew they could not win if America got serious. All cause they were trying to pull out a win somehow somewhere after ending up in a Chinese quagmire.

>>17941135
>decided it was time to do a hecking colonization in the entire Asia Pacific
Hitler never warned them about Operation Barbarossa and before that the Trans Siberian railway was their main link to Germany under the Molotov Ribbentrop pact. What exactly would they have done, change their entire strategy overnight?

>>17941148
Cherry-picking. They had realist works too.

>>17941119 (OP)
Tfw this is literally your yt reccomends

>>17941119 (OP)
If they did nothing wrong they would have won.

>>17941119 (OP)
after bernard baruchs cash and carry and roosevelts jewish lawyer oscar cox lend lease failed to provoke uboats another kike harry dexter white told fdr that the best way to get the stupid goyim into the war was to start fucking with japan

>>17941135
>The whole WW2 Japan thing was Japs getting in their mind they are a white
Japan liberated SEA from white colonial rule
>after having a few victories against russia and decided it was time to do a hecking colonization in the entire Asia Pacific
1. Russo-Japanese War had nothing to do with WW2
2. Japan only colonised Taiwan and Korea, not entire Asia-Pacific
3. Japan was provoked into war by pro-communist FDR administration

>>17941148
>Koreans are more humble however
Hello, Kim!

>>17941135
Japan never thought they could win WWII. The leadership claimed they believed in decisive battle doctrine butbthis was just a media facade they put on.

In truth Japan saw itself in a Melian Dialogue situation. Either retreat and cuck out of China and be a backwater forever. Orngonhead to head with the western powers, risk total and complete extermination just to prove you arent a pussy.

In the long run it paid off for them. It just cost them 2 million people and 150 000 irradiated japs.

>>17941155
>They started a war they knew they could not win
FDR started the war

>>17941294
Mark Felton is an idiot

>>17941302
I meant morally. Militarily speaking there were a lot of mistakes

>>17941356
>not selling oil is an act of war

>>17941362
Imperialism is morally wrong

>did nothing wrong
>lost and got nuked twice
really gets the noggin joggin

>>17941119 (OP)
nothing at all nope

>>17941491
Cutting off the resources a nation relies on is an act of war

>>17941492
Imperialism is based

>>17941512
>>17941519
America was in the wrong for using nuclear weapons against defenceless civilians

>>17941567
They weren't cut off. They chose to be. America told them DO NOT INVADE EUROPEAN COLONIES. Why did Japan invade European colonies? Why did they start a war in China in the first place where they needed so much oil?

>>17941578
Why didn't the civilians flee the city? America warned them the atomic bomb was coming.

>>17941356
Japan does not have a right to American oil.

>>17941578
fuck you back to hell where you came from
>seriously
why let 1 million USA soldiers die?
urban combat to squash those nips
send 2 bombs and poof
the nips surrender

>>17941567
Where does it say that.

>>17941567
Japan could have just.... not done the thing that caused the oil to be cut off?

>>17941119 (OP)
So if torturing and experimenting on prisoners of war, putting people in horrors beyond their comprehension at the time wasn’t “wrong” by your definition I don’t know what is.
Not to mention what they did to Koreans, basically slavery.

>>17941594
>Why did Japan invade European colonies?
They didn’t. Japan only sent troops into French Indochina (which was done with the approval of the French government).
>Why did they start a war in China in the first place
China started the war with the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, Tongzhou massacre and battle of Shanghai

>>17941598
>America warned them the atomic bomb was coming.
No they didn’t

>>17941603
I never claimed they did. However, if a nation cuts off the resources another nation relies on, that is an act of war

>>17941605
Japan wanted a peace agreement in 1945 before the atomic bombings. America refused because it wasn’t so called “unconditional surrender.” Neither the atomic bombings or an invasion of Japan was necessary to end the war

>>17941644
That is what America did. Learn history
>>17941647
The oil embargo was imposed because FDR wanted to provoke Japan into war so the US would have an excuse to enter WW2

>>17941648
>So if torturing and experimenting on prisoners of war, putting people in horrors beyond their comprehension
Never happened
>Not to mention what they did to Koreans, basically slavery.
The standard of living improved significantly for Koreans under Japanese colonial rule. There was no slavery. In fact, many Koreans fought for Japan

>>17941752
If a nation doesn't fulfill obligations for said resources they should expect to be cut off.

>>17941747
>(which was done with the approval of the French government).
And by putting heavy influence on the French governor at the time, also still invalidates the request of not taking over European colonies.

>>17941119 (OP)
agreed
germany and italy were also based

allies were the true bad guys

>>17941148
Realism is for midwits. It's no coincidence that every totalitarian regime promotes realism and suppresses all other art styles.

>>17941758
Nah post hockey justification. Why did Japan need to invade China? They could have made a peaceful proposition yet they backed the army (which they didn't need to do since they were acting on their own accord without permission)

>>17941758
NTA, but I have to say that it’s pretty normal for countries to refuse to trade with each other over disagreements. It’s considered a massive escalation to respond to a cessation of trade with open war. Especially when you consider that the US made it clear we didn’t want to be complicit in Japanese brutality in China. This wasn’t a lightning bolt out of the blue situation. Japan was doing something Americans considered repugnant. Ceasing to give them access to American resources was perfectly reasonable and in no way an act of war.

>>17941135
To be fair, they crushed every European power in the Pacific. The Americans nearly single handedly sent them back home. America may be White but it’s not Europe.

>>17941148
whitey projecting so hard lmao

>>17941135
They almost won. They defeated the European forces and they held off the full weight of the American fleet for years.
Japan is a country the size of New Jersey.

>>17942966
>Japan is a country the size of New Jersey.
Japan is bigger than modern Germany or Italy.

>>17941119 (OP)
uhh well they did lose.

>>17941119 (OP)
If they had done everything right, they would not have lost the war and become a satellite state of the United States.

>>17941763
>dozens
Wow, did you know Nazi Germany and even the Confederates also had black soldiers?

>>17941753
Why didn't Japan unconditionally surrender and give up their colonial holdings in mainland Asia?

>>17941119 (OP)
>Dumb frogposter

>>17941752
When a nation sends its soldiers to fight another nation's soldiers, that's also an act of war. But Japan found a reason to look past that after the USSR did it.

>>17941605
Another moron with a selective memory. Do you know what began the exact same day as the bombing of Nagasaki?

>>17941933
You’re missing the point. Depriving a nation the resources it relies upon is an act of war. The US knew this

>>17941938
The Vichy French government approved of the stationing of Japanese troops in Indochina

>>17941950
Germany was morally wrong and genocidal
Italy should have remained neutral (as Spain did)
Japan was forced into war by the US and liberated SEA

>>17942569
>Why did Japan need to invade China?
China started the war with the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, Tongzhou massacre and Battle of Shanghai

>>17942774
>the US made it clear we didn’t want to be complicit in Japanese brutality in China
What brutality? Stop believing CCP propaganda

>>17943831
>a satellite state of the United States.
They’re not though

>>17943861
Disingenuous argument
>>17943863
If America cared about saving lives (which is the mainstream narrative) why didn’t they agree to a negotiated peace in 1945?

>>17943935
>But Japan found a reason to look past that after the USSR did it.
A military skirmish doesn’t automatically mean war

>>17944339
What's a military skirmish between friends? Two soldiers of opposing nations could never be compared to the truly nefarious act of not selling another country your oil. Or the a Volunteer Air Corps. Those make for a great post-hoc justification if you want to cover your ass after the war.

>>17944339
Then why did Japan escalate their skirmish with China?

>>17941169
lmao

>>17944308
>Do not do X or we will stop trading our oil
>Japan does X
They willfully went against an agreement. They chose to have their oil cutoff

>>17944324
So Japan never killed innocent civilians because they treated some nicely?

>>17944332
Why didn't Japan just give up all their colonial holdings on the mainland if they knew the war was lost?
Also they care about American lives, but that doesn't give Japan a free check to keep militarized.

>>17944332
>Disingenuous argument
And your cherry-picked pictures 100% proves Japan never killed innocent civilians?

>>17944308
>Depriving a nation the resources it relies upon is an act of war.
Again Japan doesn't have a right to oil that isn't theirs because they need it. They could of easily ended the war in China and then they wouldn't need all the oil. How did invading China help the civilians of Japan?

>>17941752
if another nation declares war on you, your government has a moral obligation to its people to determine whether or not you can win (Japan couldn't, imagine fighting China and the US once and thinking you have a chance) and if not, to achieve peace on the best possible terms (Japan surrendered unconditionally after getting bombed into oblivion)

>>17944316
germany was also forced into war by the treaty of versailles

>>17946025
> Depriving a nation the resources it relies upon is an act of war.
The USA was under no obligation to sell oil to Japan or anyone else. If the Japs didn’t want to withdraw from China to renew oil shipments from the US, the smart thing would have been for Japan to simply seize the Dutch East Indies where there was lots of oil. That would not have been a casus belli for war with the United States and they’d have their cake and eat it too. The Pearl Harbor attack was a bonehead move

>>17941119 (OP)
Japanese soldiers killed and massacred Han Chinese for six weeks

>The massacre occurred over a period of six weeks starting on December 13, 1937, the day that the Japanese captured Nanjing. During this period, soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army murdered Chinese civilians and disarmed combatants who numbered an estimated 40,000 to over 300,000,[7][8] and perpetrated widespread rape and looting.[9][10]

>>17946352
Kuomintang soldiers impoverished Han Chinese civilians before the Japanese started genociding the Han Chinese

>The Nanjing garrison force set fire to buildings and houses in the areas close to Xiakuan to the north as well as in the environs of the eastern and southern city gates. Targets within and outside of the city walls—such as military barracks, private homes, the Chinese Ministry of Communication, forests and even entire villages—were completely burnt down, at an estimated value of US$20–30 million (1937).[36][37][38]

>>17946355
Japanese soldiers mass raped and genocided Han Chinese. Westerners watched.

>Eyewitness accounts of Westerners and Chinese present at Nanjing in the weeks after the fall of the city say that, over the course of six weeks following the fall of Nanjing, Japanese troops engaged in mass rape, murder, torture, theft, arson, and other war crimes. Some of these primary accounts, including the diaries of John Rabe and American Minnie Vautrin, came from foreigners who opted to stay behind to protect the Chinese civilians from harm. Other accounts include first-person testimonies of Nanjing Massacre survivors, eyewitness reports of journalists (both Western and Japanese), as well as the field diaries of military personnel. American missionary John Magee stayed behind to provide a 16 mm film documentary and first-hand photographs of the Nanjing Massacre.

>>17946359
Japanese soldiers held contests to see who could kill more Han Chinese

>In 1937, the Osaka Mainichi Shimbun and its sister newspaper, the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun, covered a contest between two Japanese officers, Toshiaki Mukai and Tsuyoshi Noda of the Japanese 16th Division. The two men were described as vying to be the first to kill 100 people with a sword before the capture of Nanjing. From Jurong to Tangshan (two cities in Jiangshu Province, China), Mukai had killed 89 people while Noda had killed 78. The contest continued because neither had killed 100 people.

>By the time they had arrived at Zijin Mountain, Noda had killed 105 people while Mukai had killed 106 people. Both officers supposedly surpassed their goal during the heat of battle, making it impossible to determine which officer had actually won the contest. Therefore, according to journalists Asami Kazuo and Suzuki Jiro, writing in the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun of December 13, they decided to begin another contest to kill 150 people.

>>17946365
The Japanese genocide of Han Chinese was particularly effective because it was not a chaotic massacre, but an organized extermination of subhumans known as Han Chinese in English.

>On 5 August 1937, the Deputy Minister of Military of Japan notified Japanese Troops in Shanghai of the army's proposition to remove the constraints of international law on the treatment of Chinese prisoners ("Riku Shi Mitsu No.198"). The directive also advised staff officers to no longer to use the term Prisoner of War.[77]

>>17946368
The Japanese soldiers did not spare any Han Chinese they found, even killing pregnant Han Chinese women and impaling their larvae.

>According to Navy veteran Sho Mitani, "The Army used a trumpet sound that meant 'Kill all Chinese who run away'."[74] Thousands were led away and mass-executed in an excavation known as the "Ten-Thousand-Corpse Ditch", a trench measuring about 300 m long and 5 m wide. Since records were not kept, estimates regarding the number of victims buried in the ditch range from 4,000 to 20,000. However, most scholars and historians consider the number to be more than 12,000 victims.[75]

>Pregnant women were targeted for murder, as their stomachs were often bayoneted, sometimes after rape. Tang Junshan, survivor and witness to one of the Japanese army's systematic mass killings, testified:[73]

>>17946371
Japanese troops would execute any Han Chinese soldiers they found, then began arresting any Han Chinese males and giving the same punishment.

>Soon after the fall of the city, Japanese troops made a thorough search for Chinese soldiers and summarily arrested thousands of young Chinese men. Many were taken to the Yangtze River, where they were machine-gunned to death. What was probably the single largest massacre of Chinese troops, the Straw String Gorge Massacre, occurred along the banks of the Yangtze River on December 18.

>For most of the morning, Japanese soldiers tied the POWs' hands together. At dusk, the soldiers divided POWs into four columns and opened fire. Unable to escape, the POWs could only scream and thrash desperately. It took an hour for the sounds of death to stop and even longer for the Japanese to bayonet each individual. The majority of the bodies were dumped directly into the Yangtze River.

>>17946375
Japanese soldier began getting bored with stabbing, shooting, and raping Han Chinese. They began experimenting with explosives and fire to mass murder Han Chinese.

>The Japanese troops gathered 1,300 Chinese soldiers and civilians at Taiping Gate and murdered them. The victims were blown up with landmines, then doused with petrol and set on fire. The survivors were killed with bayonets.[78]

>>17946376
Although much of the city had previously been destroyed by retreating Han Chinese soldiers, the Japanese also looted whatever they could, and burnt down buildings for fun.

>One-third of the city was destroyed as a result of arson. According to reports, Japanese troops torched newly built government buildings as well as the homes of many civilians. There was considerable destruction to areas outside the city walls. Soldiers pillaged from the poor and the wealthy alike.

>>17946383
Han Chinese cuckolds didn't put any resistance.

>The lack of resistance from Chinese troops and civilians in Nanjing meant that the Japanese soldiers were free to divide up the city's valuables as they saw fit. This resulted in the widespread looting and burglary.[82]

>>17946386
Japanese soldiers did not even bother digging mass graves and instead built corpse mounds and skull pyramids as the Mongols had done when they also mass raped and genocided the Han Chinese.

>American news correspondents F. Tillman Durdin and Archibald Steele reported seeing corpses of massacred Chinese soldiers forming mounds six feet high at the Nanjing Yijiang gate in the north. Durdin, who worked for The New York Times, toured Nanjing before his departure from the city.

>He heard waves of machine-gun fire and witnessed the Japanese soldiers gun down some two hundred Chinese within ten minutes. He would later state that he had seen tank guns used on bound soldiers.

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>>17946392
I really wouldn't blame the Chinese if they just started slaughtering nips the second they land on their island. This is horrible.

>>17946392
Han Chinese are very proud of being mass raped by the Japanese and try to create the biggest Han Chinese victim tolls they can.

>The extent of the atrocities is debated,[68] with numbers ranging from some Japanese claims of several hundred,[69] to the Chinese claim of a non-combatant death toll of 300,000.[66] Historian Tokushi Kasahara states "more than 100,000 and close to 200,000, or maybe more", referring to his own book.[92]

>>17946397
Han Chinese cuckolds proudly screech about being raped by the Japanese. They object to Japanese trying to downplay the number of raped and killed Han Chinese.

>This estimation includes the surrounding area outside of the city of Nanjing, which is objected to by a Chinese researcher (the same book, p. 146). Hiroshi Yoshida concludes "more than 200,000" in his book.[93] Tomio Hora writes of 50,000–100,000 deaths.[94]

>>17941155

they were trying to send a message by attacking American ships far outside of American territory. They didn't know kikes had other plans.
They were a bit shortsighted.

>>17946400
The Japanese rape and genocide of Han Chinese is mainstream academics. Japan denies it but is secretly proud. Han Chinese brag about being raped by the Japanese.

>Japanese ultra-nationalists have strongly disputed such death tolls, with some claiming that no more than several hundred civilians were killed during the massacre.[69] B. Campbell, in an article published in the journal Sociological Theory, has described the Nanjing Massacre as a genocide, given the fact that residents were still slaughtered en masse during the aftermath, despite the successful and certain outcome in battle.

>>17946406
Most of the Japanese soldiers and officers involved in this extermination were unpunished and went back to comfortable lives in Japan. The high-profile Asaka did not receive any trial as the Americans gave explicit immunity to many Japanese.

>On May 1, 1946, SCAP officials interrogated Prince Asaka, who was the ranking officer in the city at the height of the atrocities, about his involvement in the Nanjing Massacre and the deposition was submitted to the International Prosecution Section of the Tokyo tribunal. Asaka denied the existence of any massacre and claimed never to have received complaints about the conduct of his troops.[115]

>Prince Asaka was granted immunity because of his status as a member of the imperial family.

>>17946396
But the genocide of Manchus and Tibetans and Uyghurs is so good right chang?

>>17946416
Yes, it is good. Tibetans and Uyghurs are historic enemies of the Chinese. I fully support any getback.
My people ripped out the wombs of roach women for their crimes. Changs are being too nice by giving them jobs picking cotton and working as masseuses.

>>17944452
Japan wasn’t brutal against Chinese civilians. That is Chinese government propaganda

>>17944837
>if they knew the war was lost?
The war only became truly lost for Japan when the atomic bombs were dropped. Before then they still believed a negotiated peace was possible

>>17946352
Nanking massacre by Japanese Army never happened

>>17946396
Look up Tongzhou massacre. It was the Chinese who were brutal. Nanking massacre is KMT/CCP propaganda

Iris Chang knowingly lied in her book “Rape of Nanking”

The population of Nanking never exceeded 250,000 during the Japanese occupation, therefore the alleged massacre of 300,000 was impossible

“Beheading competition” between Japanese officers is another lie pushed by the CCP

Anti-Japanese people deliberately use digitally altered photos to try and “prove” the alleged Nanking massacre because they have no real proof

>>17941119 (OP)
t. Weeb who jacks off to anime
Nobody takes your opinion seriously

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>>17946786
i know you're afraid, nip. but i'd just apologize.
it would save you a lot of trouble.

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>>17946786

you always use china this china that, but filipinos, taiwanese, and indonesians also accept that japan did war crimes to them, and those countries hold high regard towards japan these days, unlike china and south korea

>>17946756
still waiting for the proof, goblino

>>17946332
>That would not have been a casus belli for war with the United States and they’d have their cake and eat it too
The clause was do not invade ANY European colonies not just French Indochina. Plus in order to go to Indonesia they would have to go pass the Philippines which just isn't possible.

>>17946758
So that was again their own fault since America was demanding unconditional surrender since the Yalta conference since that was when the British, Soviets, and Americans all agreed unconditional surrender is the only option to not repeat a treaty of Versailles.

>>17946756
Didn't answer my question. So you are saying they NEVER killed or hurt ANY innocent civilians in China? Yes or no?

>>17941119 (OP)
Not really

>>17941119 (OP)
They lost.

Otherwise, they were mostly just doing what the UK and France did but had the audacity of not being white. A shame they didn't do it due to the UK itself.

>>17941752
>However, if a nation cuts off the resources another nation relies on, that is an act of war
this is the most jewish sentence i've ever read

>>17947344
>jews believe in racial equality and racial superiority
wat

>>17947392
>"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancel out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."

Anti Semitism as it exists is classical doublethink.

>>17946403
>far outside American territory
Hawaii IS American territory dullard.

>>17944308
>hey I need gas to live
>sure just pay us
>I can't but I need it! If you don't give it to me I'll attack you!
Not how the world works dumbass

>>17941354
>In the long run it paid off for them.

Kek, no it fucking didn't.

>>17942966
They didn't held shit you tard

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>>17947410
>jews force communism on non Jews
>practice apartheid in their communities

>pretend to be stupid and hope no one notices

great shilling technique. seems to be working really well for you