Thread 17942999

Where the fuck does this "Judeo Christian vales" bullshit come from? Judaism doesn't have same values or worldview as Christianity at all. A major part of Jesus message and mission was rejecting the bullshit of the Pharisees (modern Judaism).

>>17942999 (OP)
>Where the fuck does this "Judeo Christian vales" bullshit come from?
The Bible.

>>17942999 (OP)
a politician's ass.

>>17942999 (OP)
It comes from post-WWII politics, not theology. It was a useful term to unite against the Soviets, papering over massive differences. You are right that the core theology and law are completely different. The phrase is more about a shared cultural enemy than any real, shared belief system.

>>17943001
>The Bible

It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the reality is that Zionists played the long game, infiltrated christianity going undercover, and started pushing Dispensationalism as a means to basically have Christians worship Judaism and a Zionist colony. This resulted in the Zionist project getting a christian green light, and the Walter Rothschilds funded, edited and published Scofield bible basically turning swaths of Christianity into "Worship Israel" religion.
Judeo-Christian nonsense was then massively pushed through the media, hollywood, in particular neocons, to basically tie support of Israel to the Western Christian project and history, by pushing and supporting Judaism, you are really engaging in Christianity.
It was also designed to explicity ignore Islam, despite Islam being far closer to Christianity than Judaism.

>>17942999 (OP)
>Judaism doesn't have same values or worldview as Christianity at all.
Both follow the 10 Commandments and Jews accept anyone who follows the 7 Laws of Noah even if they're Gentile
>But the Old Covenant!
The Covenant didn't expire, that's not how that works.

>>17943023
>It was also designed to explicity ignore Islam, despite Islam being far closer to Christianity than Judaism.
You sure this has nothing at all to do with Christians being historically friendlier to Jews than Muslims?

>>17942999 (OP)
>A major part of Jesus message and mission was rejecting the bullshit of the Pharisees

Jesus was angry about the oral law of the pharisees but was for the law of moses; he even said that they were a legittimate authority as far as the law is concerned

You literally teach the TORAH to your children lol

You make everyone watch media like pic related which is a jewish celebration of gentile mass murder and calamity (passover)

I'm sorry you are under the delusion you oppose jewry by worshiping jews lol

>>17943034
Prince of Egypt was such a kino movie

>>17943036
its jewish propaganda

>>17943037
Okay but why is Jewish Propaganda so Kino?

>>17942999 (OP)
Yeah, a lot of values in "Judeo-Christian values" are actually just from Greek philosophy. Things like married men restricted to monogamy, anti-slavery, etc. are influenced primarily from Greek thought. These sort of things were just negotiated into religious values over time.

>>17943027
Christian's weren't friendly with Jews at all lmao. Jews were basically medieval gypsies who went around scamming and thieving Christians all over Europe, while Christians continiously told them to fuck off.
Also, Arab culture literally came out of Nabatean Christianity, Arabic first appeared as a Nabatean Christian ingroup language and culture around 460AD.

>>17943034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rLgFYpakh8
These sorts of biblical movies were literally pushed by Jewish Zionists as basically Zionist propaganda.

>>17943039
you're not fooling anyone rabbi

>>17943042
>Christian's weren't friendly with Jews
Can you stop lying?

>>17943049
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhu_Nuwas
Jews literally went around the middle east genociding Christians.

>>17943042
There are many times in history when Christian leaders came to defend Jews (Pope Clement VI et al)

>>17943051
And? That's the ultimate conclusion of christianity. Be golem cattle for the chosen.

>>17943051
Anon, Muslims invaded Europe and slaughtered thousands of Christians, what point are you trying to make bringing up battles of religious conquest?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

>>17943051
>>17943042
You're literally retarded dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

>>17942999 (OP)
>Where the fuck does this "Judeo Christian vales" bullshit come from?

The Usual Suspects as cover and concealment among Christians.

>>17943056
The point is that Judeo Christian values do not exist, if Jews believed they existed, they would be Christian and wouldn't have spent thousands of years seething about Christianity, lying about a forced exile to cover up for the reality most Jews found Christ and the reality they genocided Christians so brutally in the middle east, that it makes it into a core part of the Quran presenting Christians as holy martyrs.
Because idiot christians defended Jews some times, it's because they mistake the old testament for support of Judaism, when in reality, it's there basically to set up context for Jesus. Jesus REJECTED the Pharisees, modern Jews are LITERALLY Pharisees. They are not similar religions, nor do they have shared values any more than Christianity and Buddhism have shared values.

>>17942999 (OP)
Horseshoe theory, one tells you its okay to lie, deceive, steal from the goyim and the other tells you to turn the other asscheek and give shlomo your earthly possessions because a zionist rabbi that loves you very much is waiting for you in the afterlife

>>17943027
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>>17943058
It's obviously a lot more nuanced than just "Jews were always killed and discriminated in all of Christendom" and "Jews were always facilitated in Christendom." We can go back and forth showing examples of both, but we should all know that the reality is a mixed bag. This is why specificity matters in historical discussion.

>>17943060
I don't really think you understand the fact that the Jewish Holy Text is literally the Christian Old Testament. The idea of Jews and Christians having shared values is hardly unfounded anon.

>>17943060
>dumb golem falling for the esau gambit

yeah our only choices is between jew #1 and jew #2

peak retard

>>17943069
And Judaism came out of Canaanism, so does that make it Pagan canaanism? Islam came out of Christianity, does that make it Christian?

>>17943073
>And Judaism came out of Canaanism, so does that make it Pagan canaanism? Islam came out of Christianity, does that make it Christian?
Continuum Fallacy.
I'm saying Christians and Jews are considered as having shared values because they literally share the same book.

>>17943056
Iberia (and Italy) were run by German Vandals beforehand.
Andalus is named after Vandal.

So they supported any liberation at the time

>>17942999 (OP)
the term showed up in the 1950s as a way of allying israel and USA against the secular USSR
it has since become the yoke by which all americans are strangled

>>17943040
Nope they weren't greek value lol. You greek nigger should stop coping and make everything about greek

>>17943081
Except they don't have shared values, if they did, Jews would just accept being Christian. The whole point of Jesus is that he REJECTS much of Jewish values, rules and morality and creates CHRISTIANITY a new religion.
Again, also, modern Judaism is literally Phariseeism, the shit Jesus explicity hated.

>>17943248
>The whole point of Jesus is that he REJECTS much of Jewish values
Name three

it's actually incredible how poorly read you all are.

>>17943073
>>17943248
>canaanism
>phariseeism
You don't know what this means except it's supposed to sound spooky and blasphemous. Next you're going to "babylonian talmud" like it's the necronomicon.

>>17943249
Eating babies, coin clipping, being bluepilled.

>>17943249
>Dietary laws
>Eye for an eye justice
>Legalism over the spirit of the law.

>>17942999 (OP)
Hitler, unironically.

>>17943027
Historically jews were far friendlier to muslims than Christians, this was true from the Middle ages all the way up to the early modern period, up until muzzies lost their balls completely and Christian Europeans became the standard global power. See the Iberian caliphate, ottoman jewish immigration, and orientalist waxing by jewish historians.

It's a cultural construct. Idiots just lump Judaism and Christianity together because Christianity is "Jew worship."

It was a meme phrase American politicians came up with to make Jews seem more welcome.

>>17943034
>You literally teach the TORAH to your children lol
wut

if you been on Jewish subreddits most of them are flat-out atheists and never discuss or care about the Jewish religion at all they're entirely neurotic bugmen with a persecution complex about white people, Christians etc

>>17943007
After WW2 anti-Semitish was clearly never going to be acceptable in polite society again.

>>17943008
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>>17943042
correct Jews were beaten up expelled and put in ghettos for centuries

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Ok, who went and did this?

>>17943467
Religious Jews are mostly just Hassidics who live in isolated little communities and don't associate with Gentiles.

>>17943188
Do you react the same way when people say that the Scientific Revolution was influenced from Greek philosophy? You're interpreting it in a way nobody said.