Thread 17943205

>North had a population of 22 million
>South had a population of 9 million
>South still attacks the North first to kickstart the "War of Northern Aggression"
The Confederates were beyond retarded. What did they think would happen in the long term?

>>17943205 (OP)
>Well ah say boy! Mah superior incestuous generinos make me the equal of fifteen yankeededoodles.
>The heckerino do ya mean dem Yankees have guns?

>>17943205 (OP)
>>17943232
You got btfo'd in the other threads and you keep making more to seethe.

>>17943205 (OP)
>the enemy are bunch of degenerate trannies they will easily fall apart rather than fight our glorious nation
happend to Germany Japan and probably countless other countries who got too drunk on their own propaganda

They whooped the Norf hard
So hard that it made the Norf woke up and said "you know what we have all these advantages, let's apply them and grind the south out with our gorillion men and materiel"
Souf should have let Norf poofs win a little bit during the initial 2 years so they don't panic and start total-warring

>>17943233
Abloobloobloo, you always were a yankee, and you'll remain a yankee forevermore.

>>17943205 (OP)
Lincoln’s War was not over slavery.

In reality, the North chose to fight in order to avoid the anticipated economic consequences of disunion. A truncated Union separated from its Southern states would likely face two significant economic problems.

First, it could not hope to maintain a favorable balance of payments. The South accounted for about 70% of America’s exports on the eve of the Civil War. Thus, without the South’s export economy, America could become a perpetual debtor nation forever at the mercy of its stronger trading partners that would deplete her gold supply in order to settle the persistent trade imbalances.

Second, since the Confederate constitution outlawed protective tariffs, her lower tariffs would confront the remaining states of the Union with two consequences. One would be a shrinkage in tariff revenues. Articles imported into the Confederacy would divert the applicable import duties from the North to the South. Since tariffs represented ninety percent of all Federal taxes such a drop was significant. Even more importantly, a low Confederate tariff would induce Southerners to buy manufactured goods from Europe as opposed to the Northern states where prices were inflated by protective tariffs. Consequently, the market for Northern manufactured goods in the South might nearly vanish.

>>17943205 (OP)
They thought that Lincoln would not have popular support to actually go through with the war and would be forced to negotiate and cede.
They were kinda right, but Lincoln was both willing and able to push back against anti-war sentiments, including the dubious and downright illegal means which he also got away with, which Southerners likely did not expect.

>>17943205 (OP)
The population was not 9 million it was 5.5 million slave owners

>>17943252
This is the answer. The southern states were the economic engine that supplied northern mercantilists with crops and raw materials. The north paid the south pennies for this. The south had had enough after decades of economic exploitation and of federal government meddling in their affairs. When secession was announced, the northern elite flipped out because it gravely threatened their stranglehold on the northern economies to possibly lose the southern states. The slavery thing was conjured out of thin air to desperately explain a war that had already been going on for three years (much to the surprise of the Lincoln administration, which thought at the outset that it would have been a quick affair). Slaves were used as pawns and then quickly discarded once they were no longer useful to the north’s objectives.

>>17943381
Southern small towns are based. New England and west coast towns are filled with perpetually anxious, angry, unpleasant people.

>>17943205 (OP)
You're framing this as if the south instigated the war of northern aggression.

>>17943233
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fiHbccle_kY

>>17943413
They attacked first at Fort Sumter

They had this silly belief that the North would be unwilling to fight.

>>17943543
fort sumter was a false flag, nobody was injured, lincoln claimed otherwise

>>17943543
The south was goaded and pushed into defending themselves by the Fort Sumter provocation. They resisted until inaction became dangerous.

Lost cause, more like lost marbles hyuk hyuk hyuk.

>>17943543
The North attacked first by occupying Fort Sumter.

>>17943252
The war was not primarily about tariffs or trade:

The Confederacy seceded to protect slavery. This is directly stated in their own secession documents (e.g., Mississippi: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world.").

The North’s initial motivation (especially Lincoln’s) was to preserve the Union, but slavery was the underlying issue of disunion.

Lincoln never waged war to protect economic interests:

His stated goal in 1861 was preservation of the Union.

However, the Union’s moral opposition to slavery grew stronger over time, especially with the Emancipation Proclamation (1863), which made ending slavery an explicit war aim.

There’s no solid evidence that economic issues like tariffs were central to Lincoln’s decision to resist secession with force.

His inaugural address did mention tariffs briefly—but he offered to enforce federal laws without invading the South unless attacked.

The war began when the South fired on Fort Sumter, a federal installation.

>>17943875
Preservation of the union for what purpose? What was so great about the union in 1861? Why is it always the northerners who talk about needing a union but southerners could take it or leave it?

>>17943875
State & Federal Prisons have everything from factories to street workers digging ditches or picking up trash on the sides of roads, thats slavery-2.0