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Anonymous No.17944272 >>17944579 >>17944582 >>17944595 >>17944640 >>17944647 >>17944708 >>17944714 >>17944748 >>17944909
Was he right?
Anonymous No.17944303
If he thought that was bad, he would've shit his pants at some of the wars the US fought in the future.
Anonymous No.17944579 >>17944714
>>17944272 (OP)
Moral sermons from the butcher.
Anonymous No.17944582 >>17944590
>>17944272 (OP)
Considering we got California no.
Anonymous No.17944590 >>17944761
>>17944582
Not only did we get California, but we got it effortlessly since Mexico was either not equipped or not even willing to defend it in the first place. The biggest casualties of the Bear Flag Rebellion were random Natives that got caught in the crossfire. Every other event was a series of non-battles where Americans show up to a fort and Mexicans flee without much of a fight. It was simply too far from Mexico City, and the Mexican Land Grant system to attempt to settle the Californias was too little too late. I don't even understand what Grants problem was because it was hardly the cruelest war we had fought at that point.
Anonymous No.17944595
>>17944272 (OP)
No, Mexico attacked first
Anonymous No.17944616 >>17944633
This dude was a retarded tool of the corrupt establishment and died from throat cancer penniless because everybody kept sending him cigars. How can you lead a war against your own people and cry about a war with a joke of a country like Mexico where we didn't even have to kill them because we captured their stoner loser leader. What an absolute retard and embarrassment for the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ulysses_S._Grant_administration
Anonymous No.17944633
>>17944616
>40 family members had government appointments
Reminder this was the guy that pretended to be offended when his own father brought a rich jew to his war camp to offer him a percentage of southern cotton profits
Anonymous No.17944640 >>17944643 >>17944651 >>17944877
>>17944272 (OP)
>I don't even understand what Grants problem was
He elaborates a bit in his memoirs:

"For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory. Texas was originally a state belonging to the republic of Mexico. It extended from the Sabine River on the east to the Rio Grande on the west, and from the Gulf of Mexico on the south and east to the territory of the United States and New Mexico -another Mexican state at that time -on the north and west. An empire in territory, it had but a very sparse population, until settled by Americans who had received authority from Mexico to colonize. These colonists paid very little attention to the supreme government, and introduced slavery into the state almost from the start, though the constitution of Mexico did not, nor does it now, sanction that institution. Soon they set up an independent government of their own, and war existed, between Texas and Mexico, in name from that time until 1836, when active hostilities very nearly ceased upon the capture of Santa Anna, the Mexican President. Before long, however, the same people-who with permission of Mexico had colonized Texas, and afterwards set up slavery there, and then seceded as soon as they felt strong enough to do so-offered themselves and the State to the United States, and in 1845 their offer was accepted. The occupation, separation and annexation were, from the inception of the movement to its final consummation, a conspiracy to acquire territory out of which slave states might be formed for the American Union."
Anonymous No.17944643
>>17944640
Libtard of the 19th century
Anonymous No.17944647 >>17944652
>>17944272 (OP)
It was wicked but it wouldn't make top 10 US wicked wars even in 1879, you could pick any of the gorillion ruthless mini-wars against natives so this reads like virtue signaling more than anything.
Anonymous No.17944651
>>17944640
Whigs hated the Mexican American war, like Lincoln, because it happened after the north collapsed their economies from printing too much money for infrastructure and everybody was pissed at them.

So they held onto this grudge and claims that the south were tyrannical monsters as Sherman was taking mountain guns into the prairies to execute the buffalo to starve out the indians
Anonymous No.17944652 >>17944658
>>17944647
>conquering the most beautiful land on the planet so the greatest people to ever live can populate it is... LE BAD!
Anonymous No.17944657 >>17944659 >>17944661 >>17944674
Fuck no he wasn’t. We should have annexed ALL of Mexico and we’re still suffering the consequences of not doing so today. Mexico has been a giant thorn in Americas side for 200 years.
Anonymous No.17944658 >>17944662 >>17944663
>>17944652
>conquering the most beautiful land on the planet so the greatest people to ever live can populate it is... LE BAD!
We are talking about wasps here or does this include all the subsequent immigrant waves? Also, killing civilians through starvation, forceful relocation and execution is bad, yes.
Anonymous No.17944659 >>17944666
>>17944657
annexed mexico and deported all the mexicans back to spain
Anonymous No.17944661 >>17944674
>>17944657
TMD
Anonymous No.17944662 >>17944671
>>17944658
>killing civilians through starvation, forceful relocation and execution is bad, yes
I agree, Indian raids on white settlers was pretty terrible. Thankfully the army was able to put an end to that.
Anonymous No.17944663 >>17944671
>>17944658
Americans. The WASP cultural background but any European being allowed to assimilate was an incredible plan with hundreds of years of foresight.
>killing civilians through starvation, forceful relocation and execution is bad, yes
Well where would you rather live? America or Mexico?
Anonymous No.17944666
>>17944659
Unironically I could see the US government of the time doing something like this. Considering what they did with the trail of tears there’s no reason to think Mexican native Americans would be treated any better. The Maya in particular would be a target.
Anonymous No.17944671 >>17944675
>>17944662
>Indian raids on white settlers was pretty terrible
Those were pretty bad too, yes. All violence against innocents is abhorrent.

>>17944663
>Well where would you rather live?
Depends on the cities and districts in question. Upper middle class accomodations are pretty much the same everywhere in the globalized west anyway (cultural differences notwithstanding, like the high trust of japanese communities for example).
Anonymous No.17944674 >>17944678 >>17944679
>>17944657
>>17944661
>we're the good guys btw
Anonymous No.17944675 >>17944678 >>17944687
>>17944671
>Depends on the cities and districts in question
>coping this hard
Anon what nation is safer and more successful? White America or Mexico?
Anonymous No.17944678
>>17944674
Vae Victis nigga the world belongs to the strong>>17944675
Anonymous No.17944679 >>17944684
>>17944674
Yes. "Good" is not measured by how pacifist you are, or how much damage you can avoid. It's how successful you are at your goal, how safe and beautiful you can make life for your people, and how much influence you can hold over the rest of the globe. America was "racist". We also all but conquered the entire continent and became the most powerful nation in the world. You cannot have one without the other.
Anonymous No.17944684
>>17944679
This, being nice to someone is not always the morally right thing to do. Great nations are not typically built by kind men.
Anonymous No.17944687 >>17944690
>>17944675
Again, beyond a certain point of income it simply depends on where you are (you would never see a rich wasp in some shitty district of Detroit for example). Though I do agree that it is better to be a poorfag in the US than in Mexico.
Anonymous No.17944690 >>17944694 >>17944709
>>17944687
It's better to be rich in a nice white country as well, because you can just go anywhere. I should not have to accept that certain areas of my country are going to be closed off because the people there are too shitty. The whole land should be White, safe, and beautiful.
Anonymous No.17944694 >>17944702
>>17944690
We could have made Mexico whiter as well. 200 years is plenty of time to do that. No reason we couldn’t start giving away free Mexican land to fresh off the boat euro settlers.
Anonymous No.17944702
>>17944694
>200 years is plenty of time
doesn't take that long to deport them into the pacific ocean
Anonymous No.17944708 >>17944710
>>17944272 (OP)
Grant hated deciet and had a strong moral compass yes. Imperialist wars are inherently built on lies. Smedely Butler came to the same conclusion.
Anonymous No.17944709 >>17944729
>>17944690
>because you can just go anywhere. I should not have to accept that certain areas of my country are going to be closed off because the people there are too shitty.
This is childish, all countries have no go places (where the affluent have not interest of going), and they aren't even exclusively non-white; a high income family would have no inclination to go have a vacation in some shithole Appalachian town for example.
Anonymous No.17944710 >>17944711
>>17944708
>Grant hated deciet and had a strong moral compass
>one of the most openly corrupt presidents in US history
Anonymous No.17944711 >>17944720 >>17944737
>>17944710
Propaganda by seething Southrons who hated that Grant wouldn’t let them terrorize American citizens with impunity
Anonmous No.17944714
>>17944272 (OP)
nah, there have been some really evil wars. Its good he thinks tho; morality should reach up not down
>>17944579
breed more blacks
Anonymous No.17944720 >>17944726
>>17944711
>Propaganda
Nobody reads apparently
Anonymous No.17944726 >>17944792
>>17944720
>uhhhh yeah your birth in law twice removed tried to embezzle government funds and got caught
>that makes you personally corrupt
Gay guilt by association. Grants hands were clean.
Anonymous No.17944729 >>17944735 >>17944745 >>17944831
>>17944709
>it's okay that parts of my country are filled with murderous brown gangs because rich people don't want to vacation to Appalachia or something
Anonymous No.17944735 >>17944742 >>17944744
>>17944729
Murderous browns were imported by the same people who pushed for manifest destiny
Anonymous No.17944737 >>17944741 >>17944750
>>17944711
seeing you cunts do DA JOOS but with southerners is fucking hilarious, apparently the south is so powerless that they're bunch of Stupid Cuck Retard Slaveowners BTFO By Based Grant who Literally Cant Even The Economy Dude!!1! but also so powerful that they're the main culprits behind Setting Back Progress 1 Million Years and Spreading Radical Propaganda To Slander Ovr Trve Hero
Anonymous No.17944741
>>17944737
Southerners are spiritually Jewish though. That’s why they all love Israel becuase they see their reflection in them starving Gazans and taking their homes to build settlements.
Anonymous No.17944742 >>17944743
>>17944735
Grasping at straws
Anonymous No.17944743
>>17944742
It’s the truth. Imperialists are liars who literally import the brown slave underclass and create the problems they later complain about
Anonymous No.17944744
>>17944735
there was about a century betwixt
Anonymous No.17944745 >>17944749
>>17944729
Nice straw-man, I am only saying that unless you are poor you are never going to have an issue with being unable to visit shitholes (be they brown or white) because you would have no interest or need to go through them anyway, so living in the US, Mexico or any other place would be basically the same. Tough luck for you and yours I guess.
Anonymous No.17944748
>>17944272 (OP)
yes but only because mexico's rulers were white at the time
Anonymous No.17944749 >>17944775
>>17944745
I actually love rural Appalachia though. It would be a shame if that region was ridden with violent crime.
Anonymous No.17944750 >>17944767
>>17944737
It’s a fact that huge amounts of Southern academics did everything in their power to rewrite history to where Grant and the invading Union army were the most evil corrupt tyrants in existence while simultaneously prosecuting an insurrection and terrorist organization to undermine reconstruction and the rule of law.
Anonymous No.17944761
>>17944590
>Every other event was a series of non-battles where Americans show up to a fort and Mexicans flee without much of a fight.
Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo communicated with the US Navy before the war through his brother-in-law John R. Cooper and Cooper's brother the US Consul Thomas O. Larkin. Vallejo was powerful enough in the north of California that he issued secret orders to the presidio commanders in San Francisco and Monterey to surrender to the US Navy when they arrived. Ironically the only one who wasn't initially in on it was John C. Frémont because he was with the US Army.
Anonymous No.17944767 >>17944779
>>17944750
>william gilmore simms: dastardly obfuscator of the Trve Historical Record by day, bedsheet wearing Agent of Terror by night

theres no hope for you retards
Anonymous No.17944775 >>17944786
>>17944749
>I actually love rural Appalachia though
The natural wonders are nice but the towns are depressive as fuck and ridden with day to day casual violence, addictions, lack of infrastructure and a general environment of hopelessness. Shame for the people there, no one deserves to live like that.
Anonymous No.17944779
>>17944767
>>william gilmore simms: dastardly obfuscator of the Trve Historical Record by day, bedsheet wearing Agent of Terror by night

This is quite literally the bases of the Klan dumbass lol.
Anonymous No.17944786 >>17944805
>>17944775
And that's why West Virginia has a below average violent crime rate? The addiction and infrastructure is absolutely true though. Still infinitely better than having favelas. Besides, if we stopped giving out opprtunity and money to nonwhites we could actually invest in Appalachia.
Anonymous No.17944792 >>17944793
>>17944726
you argue like a jew
Anonymous No.17944793 >>17944804
>>17944792
Weak retort from a cocksmoking down low homosexual faggot
Anonymous No.17944804
>>17944793
cry more jew
Anonymous No.17944805 >>17944808
>>17944786
>And that's why West Virginia has a below average violent crime rate?
I said casual violence, not violent crimes. It is an oppressive environment but I would sound like a 20 something privileged-upbringing girl sociologist trying to describe it.

>Besides, if we stopped giving out opprtunity and money to nonwhites we could actually invest in Appalachia.
Quite an adorable and naive way of thinking. Never lose the innocence, zoomie stormfag.
Anonymous No.17944808 >>17944827 >>17944835
>>17944805
>Quite an adorable and naive way of thinking. Never lose the innocence, zoomie stormfag.
So what do you propose? Abandon the idea of America as a white nation? Give all of our money away to foreigners?
Anonymous No.17944827
>>17944808
That's a false dichotomy and a whiny dramatic one at that. I propose nothing, as modern globalized societies are complex systems and thus unable to be administered in a truly predictable way. Though when they start losing complexity due to the effects of ecological overshoot you will have the opportunity to try and form your larp "all pure aryan stock" community or whatever. Best of luck with that, lol.
Anonymous No.17944831 >>17944842
>>17944729
>Import millions of slaves
>Invade other nations with impunity
>Oppress their people economically once they are within your borders, and do not allow them to integrate fully
>"Wtf, why are they all poor and disenfranchised!"
Whites did this exact shit with the Italians and Irish, and only eventually got over it because they stopped being able to tell the difference, so it's super funny seeing every idiot on this board constantly lust for the same mistakes while complaining about the consequences.
Anonymous No.17944835 >>17944851
>>17944808
>Abandon America as a white nation
Yes retard, because it never was. Any country that builds itself on land originally held by nonwhites, and imports millions of slaves to be worked to death in its construction doesn't exactly get the right to go "oh actually NOW is when we stop allowing multiple groups of people in our country". Maybe try building a country on something other than a concept you stormfucks can't even agree on and you'll be fine.
Anonymous No.17944842 >>17944855
>>17944831
Yeah it's definitely our fault that rich blacks are dumber and more criminal than poor whites. It's our fault that brown people are poorer, dumber, and more violent all around the world.
Anonymous No.17944851 >>17944867
>>17944835
To be fair at first we were camping out and the fuckers still attacked us.
Anonymous No.17944855 >>17944862 >>17945001
>>17944842
>Muh rich blacks are dumber and more criminal than poor whites
>Muh ignore the 400 years of worldwide invasion and colonization, that had no effect on anything!
Wow, using a JonTron talking point in 2025, it's really funny to see. Like I said, you can keep being idiotic, and chasing, defending, and ignoring the same behavior that led you here, but at the end of the day you'll find the same result. While it doesn't fit the definition of insanity to keep wanting to do the same stupid shit over and over again, it does show that you have a lower IQ than every group you just denigrated. Have fun dying like a retard for Longshore and Gettelbeck's tea import shares you mental fucking slave.
Anonymous No.17944862 >>17944870
>>17944855
if blacks want to act liek chimps why don't they go back to africa where they can do that every day instead of staying here and complaining about having to be civilized
Anonymous No.17944867 >>17944871
>>17944851
For people who constantly speak of the dangers of immigration, and foreigners suddenly showing up in your vicinity, you tend to fail to understand the motivations of others who see you as a threat for good reasons(especially when you proved them right before, during, and after their preemptive attempts at self defense). It's super funny to watch, you'll complain when others act like that, but be totally confused when those same people complain about you being like that.
Anonymous No.17944870 >>17944872
>>17944862
>"Well if I just keep pretending to be retarded, maybe it won't be true!"
Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you're more of a chimp than any black person in human history. Especially because you don't even have basic literacy, learn to spell before preaching racism.
Anonymous No.17944871
>>17944867
Doesn't really matter. When a civilization is so primitive that it can't even understand you there's nothing you can do
Anonymous No.17944872 >>17944883
>>17944870
okay thanks for completely ignoring my post, you must be one of those smart blacks
Anonymous No.17944877 >>17944879
>>17944640
Based, makes me proud to be an American reading that.
Anonymous No.17944879 >>17944885 >>17944886
>>17944877
A completely partisan tard being told to say what his handlers tell him
Anonymous No.17944883 >>17944890 >>17944916
>>17944872
Your post was retarded, you know it was retarded, and you still posted it. Why would I take it seriously, do you take monkeys swinging on branches throwing shit at glass walls seriously? If not, why do you expect me to confront you with any level of respect or decency when you can't even stop to point out how I'm wrong without bringing up talking points that only make sense to children and the mentally impaired? Did you bother addressing anything I said? Why would I bother addressing anything you said? I gave you the same amount of response to your post that you did to mine, be glad I gave you that, it's more than you deserve considering you're a subhuman. The only thing you're owed is laughter and scorn.
Anonymous No.17944885 >>17944892
>>17944879
That's from his memoirs which was written when he had absolutely zero handlers, as evidenced by how he was swindled out of the rights to it by two random dudes on a train. Only Mark Twain saved him and his biography by happenstance so that he died in solvency.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you're a fucking retard.
Anonymous No.17944886
>>17944879
Interesting, it's like you're allergic to standing for something that isn't anotber mans ideals.
Anonymous No.17944890 >>17944893
>>17944883
>ook aak ook imma kill you
okay but why not just go back to africa and be retarded there
Anonymous No.17944892
>>17944885
>Grant didn't have handlers
Anonymous No.17944893 >>17944895
>>17944890
>Illiterate man thinks a post telling him he should be laughed at is a death threat
I never knew a clown could be allergic to laughter, perhaps you should find a different occupation, like silent person.
Anonymous No.17944895 >>17944903
>>17944893
Perhaps you should go back to africa where your sickle cells are of some use
Anonymous No.17944903 >>17944906
>>17944895
Perhaps you should go back to Mexico and stop hating yourself for not being white.
Anonymous No.17944906 >>17944932
>>17944903
Whatever you say Garden Rake III
Anonymous No.17944909 >>17944915
>>17944272 (OP)
>OMG RIGHT OR WRONG
Grant was a partisan
He was not in favor of Jacksonian democrats and his perception and many others like him have colored perceptions of the Mexican American war to this day
Its wild, because the generally accepted position of that war today is just anti-Democratic propaganda
Even though the GOP didnt exist yet the anti-Democratic forces were rapidly aligning in our politics at that time, we still had Whigs in America at that time, and clearly Mr. Grant, when he was in 20s, was not in favor of Andrew Jackson and his proteges, including President Polk
The reality is more complicated than the commonly accepted, but nonsensical, narrative of mean old US beats up on poor pathetic Mexico and also stole Texas
Anonymous No.17944915
>>17944909
Both US parties are Whigs to this day
Anonymous No.17944916 >>17944929
>>17944883
>Why would I bother addressing anything you said?
>Multiple walls of text
Anonymous No.17944929
>>17944916
>"If I just keep pretending to be retarded it'll work out!"
If that counts as a wall of text to you then I'm not surprised you're this dumb. I bet these three sentences are already stretching your attention span.
Anonymous No.17944932 >>17944941
>>17944906
Right back at you Jorge Notwhiteopez
Anonymous No.17944941 >>17944944
>>17944932
Pretty pathetic honestly. What were you even mad about again? Oh yeah, not going back to africa?
Anonymous No.17944944 >>17944948
>>17944941
Those cartel drugs must be fucking with your memory grandpa, try scrolling up to help jog your slow ass noggin.
Anonymous No.17944948 >>17944955
>>17944944
Do you have any gold or ivory?
Anonymous No.17944955 >>17944972
>>17944948
Did your mother drink when she was pregnant with you? Stop replying to me idiot, go be stupid in silence.
Anonymous No.17944972 >>17945002
>>17944955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia3dJvydKY4
Anonymous No.17945001 >>17945008
>>17944855
Which is why China, Ireland, and Poland are poor violent retarded shitholes.
Anonymous No.17945002
>>17944972
https://youtu.be/WHHGOYu6Fl0
Anonymous No.17945008 >>17945018
>>17945001
>Poland
>Colonized the same way non European countries were
>Ireland
>Not a poor violent shithole
>China
>The same country that whored it's entire population out to American manufacturing, and was one of the most poor violent shitholes in human history before this.
If we could generate power from your deluded imagination we would be able to reach the other side of the universe
Anonymous No.17945018 >>17945039
>>17945008
Keep coping and making excuses.
Anonymous No.17945039 >>17945047
>>17945018
Keep failing to deliver an argument after running back to try and get a response. This is your last one btw.
Anonymous No.17945047
>>17945039
Because you're not making arguments, just detailing how China has become wealthier. If the niggers were so great then why are wealthier blacks dumber and more violent than poor whites?
>much jontron argument
So him making the argument in the past means it's invalid?