Thread 17944539

Was it not the greatest revolution of all time? The most important to world history? The most enlightened? I would say yes.

>>17944539 (OP)
Its goal died in the mid-20th century. Take of that what you will.

the french revolution was far more consequential

>>17944550
Yes but for all the wrong reasons because it ended up enabling Krautoids and we're still suffering from said consequences to this very day

>>17944550
The French Revolution is more what happens when everything goes wrong instead of everything going right like the American one.

I believe you mean the French Revolution.

>>17944539 (OP)
>The most enlightened
A lot of the founders still supported English-style genteel "aristocracy" and didn't like when society actually became more democratic

There's this one John Adams quote that I'm thinking of that I can't remember exactly, but it read something like "maybe America is not for me" (or maybe Hamilton said it)

>>17944550
This is such a cope.

>>17944550
The one that got reversed 10 years later? And not the one that stood for 200 years and made the most influential country of all time?

>>17944545
It died in 1861.

>>17944539 (OP)
Important certainly, but I'd somewhat argue that the English Civil War against Charles I is more influential. The ECW inspired the Americans, and it really was the first modern challenge, arguably, to the concept of royal sovereignty.

Let me quote John Adams:
>Edge Hill and Worcester were curious and interesting to us, as scenes where free men had fought for their rights.
>The people in the neighborhood appeared so ignorant and careless at Worcester that I was provoked and asked, do Englishmen so soon forget the ground where liberty was fought for?
>Tell your neighbors and your children that this is holy ground, much holier than that on which your churches stand.

>>17944615
...even Jefferson, the most republican of all of the founders, was a slaveowner and by the end of his life saw the enterprising north as being a bigger blight on the Union than the South

American revolution and it's not even close.
>found new country rooted in newly created idealism and philosophy
>it not only lasts for centuries it becomes the richest, most powerful nation in the world, effectively converting most of the world to its economic and political ideals

>>17944654
It does help that the French Revolution and then Empire fueled both the Americans in the land purchase and UK in being distracted about dividing Europe while being its friend.

>>17944623
Jefferson was republican in writing but not as much in action. The true republicans were Patrick Henry, George Mason, and John Taylor of Caroline.

The American revolution was consequential but in terms of the intellectual foundations that it provided it was overrated
The American political and cultural revolution would take a century of development to reach its full climax

>>17944550
Consequential in the sense that many of the communist revolutionaries of the 20th century used it as inspiration and in some cases a blueprint for what a revolution should look like, but it also ate its own children and was snuffed out by the directory and then Napleon and then a restored Bourbon monarchy. The American revolution had a more lasting impact and actually succeeded long term.

>>17944539 (OP)
reading material

>The same elites stay in place, they just cut ties with the metropole
Barely even a revolution

it was funded by jews so they can get their soulless golem experiment nation

that's all you need to know

>>17944539 (OP)
Has anyone seen the theory that the entire founding of the United States was a psyop to make the colonists believe that they were free when in actuality, it was the British who won the revolutionary war? People who espouse this theory point to things like Washington’s involvement in freemasonry and the Jay treaty as hints that something was off about America’s founding

>>17945829
The more history one reads, the easier it is for one to fall into the trap of believing that the covert, hidden things are the absolute truth, or otherwise the determining factor. While that can be the case, sometimes it really is whatever things appear to be that it is the truth.

>>17945461
It was really a secession

>>17945461
>The most capable, well educated, and wealthy people who were elected to serve in the continental congress and were instrumental in bringing independence are the ones who begin running the nation during its formative period.
Oh woooooooooow holy shit no waaaay. Why didn't they all take a vow of poverty and faded into obscurity after founding a nation. What were Washington and Adams and the rest of them thinking?

>>17944730
Man, George Mason was peak. People always rant on about the Federalist Papers, but people should honestly have to read the other side of the pamphlet debate too. The "Anti-Federalists" are unironically far more consequential to the ideals of American liberty than anything Hamilton et al., pumped out.