Thread 17945535

>communism succeeds
>every thesis contains an antithesis
>the antithesis of communism is capitalism
>thesis and antithesis synthesize
>this results in market socialism
>communism fails

What is Communism anymore?

>>17945572
communism is everything I don't like

>>17945572
communism is everything I like

>>17945535 (OP)
fascism is the way

>>17946481
it failed because it did not have the interest of anyone but the capital class in mind.
make like your hero and kys

>>17946488
>keep calm

>>17946503
>keep calm and instate a racialist dictatorship of the bourgeoi-ACK!!!!! AAAAAAACK!!!!

>>17946542
The fascist economy was the way Italy was run until the 1990's. You guys killed the man but not the idea.

>>17946488
>it did not have the interest of anyone but the capital class
Fascism and Nazism was made up of young people sick of gay democracy

>>17946488
And communism succeeded by...?
The USSR collapsed and China turned fascist. Communism is dead.

>>17946809
>fascist economy
is this what lolberts are calling their capital economies now?
>>17946811
no, it was made up of retards that were too schizophrenic to be communists and see what the root problems were. mussolini was especially in this camp. he got kicked out for being retarded and and annoying
people were not "sick of democracy". democracy as you know it now wasn't put into practice in EU at the time. especially not in shitaly

>>17946816
succeeded by holding dominion over skilled labor so strongly to the point where americans can't rile their paypigs into financing a new war against them.
USSR collapsed because russians are inherent chauvanists. china is still marxist though. them killing minorities off doesn't make them fascistic. you don't know what these words mean

>>17946821
>China is still Marxist
And the democratic people's republic of North Korea is Democratic.

>>17946828
it could be. "democracy" is a big spectrum isn't it? pinochet was a good democrat for example.

>>17946818
communists are so incompetent they can't keep anyone sane in their camp for long. A.H was a commie in 1919, Mussolini was a marxist and anarchist. Communism dissolved in on itself in the 90's due to its inherent contradictions while the commie ideologues predicted capitalism would collapse due to its own "contradictions" quote-unquote, but here we are in 2025 still living under it
>it was made up of retards
It was made up of warmongering psychopaths, and again, young people as well. You technically only need extremism and a blatant disregard for outsiders in order to be a Nationalist

>>17946834
>North Korea is Democratic
We've got an antifascist intellectual here.

>>17946846
Democracy = People's state
Ethno-Nationalist totalitarianism is the purest form of democracy, and yes, North Korea is Juche

>>17946842
>psychopaths
people that don't believe in anything sincerely. they present an image of themselves for an ulterior self serving motive. usually they have capital in mind
>young people
retarded and susceptible to the whims of psychopaths. especially when said psychopaths can especially stir feelings using a scapegoat like "race". funny because mussolini did this. he talked about "enemies of the italic race". but even in his own diary he laughs and mocks the idea of race.
it's good that you admit that fascists are not invested in their mission, they just like to seethe at scapegoats to justify propping up their bourgeoise dictatorships. once all the "lesser races" are gone, it's back to capital driven eugenics where there is no one around to control them.
>>17946846
democracy is a very broad political spectrum.
americans hailed the dictatorships they propped up in south america as democracies too.
you should be a bit more consistent if you're gonna argue with me about this.

>>17946853
lmao
>>17946858
>americans hailed the dictatorships they propped up in south america as democracies too.
Did you lose track that quickly? You said China is communist, I disagreed. I said it's only Marxist as much as North Korea is democratic. This has nothing to do with Latin America.

>>17946865
>Did you lose track that quickly? I did a whataboutism with Korea, you did a whataboutism with Latin America. Only I can do that!!
okay cool. so stick to topic next time and explain how china is fascist

>>17946870
>militarism
>racial nationalism
>state capitalism
>autocracy
>strong hierarchy
It's not that complicated lol.

>>17946877
>militarism
having a strong military presence to protect interests isn't militarism
>racial nationalism
having pride in being han is not fascism
>state capitalism
fascists were not state capitalists. they believed in an anti-meritocratic caste system which they dubbed "class collaboration".
>autocracy
not explicitly characteristic of fascism
>strong hierarchy
man, im trying to have a serious talk here, but this is just trolling.

>>17946882
Alright if militaristic state capitalist ethnonationalist autocracy is not fascist then what is fascist?
>in an anti-meritocratic caste system which they dubbed "class collaboration".
You know nothing about fascism lol. Most of the Nazi elites DID NOT come from the aristocracy. Let me give you a quote DIRECTLY FROM HITLER.
>We should judge people according to the abilities with which nature has endowed them and which they use for the benefit of the community. This criterion excludes the accidental factor of high or low birth and gives a person the freedom to forge his own reputation.
Class collaboration is NOT a caste system, it's the acknowledgement of the fact that some people by their nature will never be elite, and some by their nature are oriented towards being elite. Be this intelligence, physical strength, conscientiousness, charisma, or anything else, we will always have people destined for the low classes and destined for the high classes.

>>17945572
Marx was a genius.
Most people who talk about him are idiots.

>>17946901
> what is fascist?
a militarist class based dictatorial corporate state
nazi ruling class don't need to "come from aristocracy" to be benefactors of the system they are imposing.
>Class collaboration is NOT a caste system,
it is in practice. if a laborer wishes to move up the social hierarchy, he would be denied every opportunity because the system needs him working in a steel mill until his heart pops. because as you said:
>Be this intelligence, physical strength, conscientiousness, charisma, or anything else, we will always have people destined for the low classes and destined for the high classes.
exactly. it's a caste system. it wants to keep a certain population of people dumb, poor, and doing hard labor while other classes are better off because "they are more intelligent", but in actuality they need to do this because the parasitic capital state needs their labor to survive.
what's funny is that this system is anti eugenic. relegating certain people to certain classes forever is how India and Brazil obtained their reputation in the world as highly stratified economically polarized capital driven shitholes despite being rich in resources. we can see this now in America where even poor Asians do just as good as whites in class, but whites who have lived here since 1776 live in muggy hovels, have no money, and have no assets. they are there because they need to be there.

>>17946939
>a militarist class based dictatorial corporate state
So basically China lol. What do you even mean by "class based"? What country is NOT class based?
>if a laborer wishes to move up the social hierarchy, he would be denied every opportunity because the system needs him working in a steel mill
If we need manual labor then who is going to do it? Hitler himself said that intelligent and competent people born from the lower classes should be able to move up into the elite, it's nothing like India's caste system. How could we possibly establish a society WITHOUT class?
>Brazil
Brazil sucks because it's a racially diverse mutt nation.

>>17946921
yeah people who have personal vendettas with long dead philosophers because they've consumed too much american propaganda are stupid losers

>>17945535 (OP)
What the hell is this pseudo-hegelian nonsense
It's not even the right way to use antithesis
I can fart words into a textbox too

>>17946952
no, not "basically china". china is not corporatist and it has no classes of people. the most you can say is that there are people in the countryside and in the cities. that's it.
>If we need manual labor then who is going to do it
a group of people that are educated like everyone else and given a strong social network to be productive and contribute. child laborers are not cool.
you'd have a bigger pool of labor if you didn't create scapegoats out of entire ethnicities, treated your own men as chattel, and controlled population growth by artificially inflating food prices to benefit the capitalist class
>Brazil sucks because it's a racially diverse mutt nation.
take a good guess what muttmurica, the EU, Russia, and every other capitalist country is now becoming as a result of their policies.
then take a look at china, korea, and former SSRs ethnic homogenity.
that should tell you all you need to know

>>17947001
>China has no classes of people
Why the fuck do I bother arguing with these retards?
>a group of people that are educated like everyone else and given a strong social network to be productive and contribute
And where does Hitler condemn this?
>you'd have a bigger pool of labor if you didn't create scapegoats out of entire ethnicities
So we should just let our race be destroyed for a larger pool of labor? Maybe you are a communist.
>take a good guess what muttmurica, the EU, Russia, and every other capitalist country is now becoming as a result of their policies.
>then take a look at china, korea, and former SSRs ethnic homogenity.
Exactly, China is fascist. You're proving my point.

>>17947016
income inequality =/= class
>And where does Hitler condemn this?
using child laborers, child soldiers, promoting infidelity and destroying the family unit because eugenicism is heckin baste and the Stwong Must Suwvive... Miwwions Must Die..
>Exactly, China is fascist. You're proving my point.
no. im saying that communism naturally promotes endogamy since that's the natural preference of all cultures.
fascism would be what hitler tried to do: imply that iranians are "lost germanics" and create muttard races because "muh eugenics".

>>17947043
>income inequality =/= class
Yes it does lmao
>child laborers, child soldiers, promoting infidelity and destroying the family unit because eugenicism is heckin baste and the Stwong Must Suwvive... Miwwions Must Die..
99% of Nazi Germany were monogamous Christians lol.
>fascism would be what hitler tried to do: imply that iranians are "lost germanics" and create muttard races because "muh eugenics".
Yeah dude you're actually just retarded.

>>17947049
it does in american understanding of class. the same way that 30,000 a year qualifies as "low income" when in actuality that is below poverty line for most states in the country.
>99% of Nazi Germany were monogamous Christians lol.
and they're all in Hell now for being cogs in the machine of a jeet worshiping polytheist schizo dictatorship
>Yeah dude you're actually just retarded.
i think you need a big mac break. that or puffed rice with chutney

>>17947053
>it does in american understanding of class
Which is a good thing btw.
>and they're all in Hell now for being cogs in the machine of a jeet worshiping polytheist
If you think the Nazis worshiped jeets you're braindead. They were absolutely white supremacists, they thought the ancient Indo-Aryans were Whites from Europe and that India was corrupted by race mixing.

>>17947063
no lol it's not a good thing, because america has no real economy. it's just conmen conning conmen. they don't make anything for a consumer. everything is imported after being manufactured abroad.
>If you think the Nazis worshiped jeets you're braindead
they fought under an indojeet sunwheel symbol. they are going straight down to Hell to burn forever.
>They were absolutely white supremacists
which is another reason why they are in Hell forever. and i am glad my ancestors sent them there
>they thought the ancient Indo-Aryans were Whites from Europe and that India was corrupted by race mixing.
race mixing is characteristic of indojeets. their caste driven capital based societies centers around artificially inflating their own value and oppressing nonjeets to the bottom of their social totem pole.
arabs and the chinese are gonna fix all of that in europe in the coming days. whitey is going extinct :)

>>17947075
>america has no real economy. it's just conmen conning conmen. they don't make anything for a consumer. everything is imported after being manufactured abroad.
America has existed for longer than 50 years anon
>they fought under an indojeet sunwheel symbol. they are going straight down to Hell to burn forever.
The oldest swastika was found in Ukraine
>which is another reason why they are in Hell forever. and i am glad my ancestors sent them there
>race mixing is characteristic of indojeets
lol
>arabs and the chinese are gonna fix all of that in europe in the coming days. whitey is going extinct :
Don't look up Asian birthrates anon don't do it

>>17947095
you made oldsmobiles. cool. that's gone. you're not getting an industry like that back. ever
>The oldest swastika was found in Ukraine
and...?
>Don't look up Asian birthrates anon don't do it
i find the plummeting manning levels of the military and the lower birthrates all across the west a lot funnier.
hopefully people out here start killing people for being poor again. that way the population can stagnate further

>>17947103
>re have mo peepo so re rill rin!

>>17947107
>we're bringing jobs back you guys i swear

>>17947113
Two more weeks

>>17947116
and the three gorges dam will fall, right?

>>17947122
America is going to collapse ANY DAY NOW