Thread 17946824

Why are there no female philosophers?

>>17946824 (OP)
There are

Hypatia

The only one that mattered was a woman

>>17946824 (OP)
Did females ever have time in ancient or pre-modern times to sit, read, contemplate, and write philosophy? Weren’t they always cooking, tending to children, keeping the home, and helping with farming and livestock? Men have used their leisure time for philosophical pursuits while women, who have historically had much less leisure time, have spent theirs dancing or galavanting around or getting into mischief (drugs, fornication, witchcraft, paganism, etc).

>>17946841
Priestesses and nuns probably did

>>17946824 (OP)
>ayn rand

The only one I can think of is Émilie Du Châtelet, but I know there are others.

>>17946824 (OP)
Could it perhaps have to do with women being considered property and kept in the fucking kitchen for 99% of human history?

>>17947174
Kind of had to be that way for the vast majority of family units when you think about it. Gets pregnant, can't chop wood or go hunting, is literally CONSTANTLY bitching, CONSTANTLY--build a nice school somewhere, "hey what if we just didn't deal with all of that here?"

Women don't create or think most of the time.

>>17946841
Women in sparta did.
Not one female philosopher came out of there.

Most men didn't read or write or had access to education or philosophy. So what kind of argument is "women didn't go to school"? Rich women did, not many philosophers.
But then again, a rich philosopher is just a grifter.

>>17948591
You're so fucking stupid it's unreal

>>17948596
>No argument.

>>17946824 (OP)
women don't like to share their knowledge, they would rather use it to attain power for their own kin, fuck humanity

>>17948584
Not one philosopher did in general to be fair

>>17948634
Fair.

>>17946841
>Weren’t they always cooking, tending to children, keeping the home, and helping with farming and livestock?
Not in the noble 'independently wealthy' families that usually produced philosophers, no. They were rich enough to have servants/slaves to manage the servants/slaves who managed the other servants and slaves.

I imagine their were plenty of philosophers like hypatia who didnt contribute anything novel or worthwhile but nonetheless studied it with rigor, and just like we dont remember the many dozens of male disciples of Aristotle because they were at best just stepping stones for making the actual greats relevant in the culture of academia so that somebody worth their grain can discover them. Woman pursuing philosophy were in the few and so as expected none would have made it to the history books for their revolutionary ideas.

Today ofcourse you can find many female philosophers worth their grain like Simone de Beauvoir or famous writers who have alot of philosophical insight like Mary Wallstonecraft

>>17946824 (OP)
Because women aren't retarded. They might be immature and manipulative but they aren't retarded so there's no point in creating a system of thought or an explicit method of gathering knowledge via propositional thought.

>>17948796
>philosophy = retardation
Explain

>>17948799
Most people I've met who love philosophy were retarded. In the sense that they were not balanced human beings, they had incredible issues and they concluded, for one reason or another, that philosophy is their key to success. Some score well on IQ tests, some are addicted to feeling intellectual, some are so impractical in all other aspects of life that theorizing is the only thing they have a fighting chance at... whatever the motivation is, I have yet to meet a self-described "philosopher" who is even a remotely functional human being.
But of course I'm not using laymen to characterize a whole field. They are just a product. The problem is the process that churns out those retards. And the process is that since the 13th century philosophy has gradually been degenerating into mere theoretical engagement of the mind. Truth is reduced to correctness. Certainty is king. To understand is to reduce a phenomenon to propositions. We gave up on being human and instead decided to build propositional models of reality and live inside those. That's trash.
I don't know that all philosophy is like this, in fact I'd say that Socrates, Aristotle, Augustine and others have volumes to tell us about what it is to be human. But the very fact we forgot it is something I confidently blame on post 13th century philosophy and I'm seeing the results of it every day on the people, the culture and the overall Zeitgeist. Ironically enough, post-modern philosophy seems to be at least somewhat resistant to this obsession with methods and models, but it doesn't necessarily offer a way out.

>>17948852
>Most people I've met
Well, the only problem with that is that it's just too credible and relevant!

>>17949005
Wait till you get past the 4th word of the post then.

>>17948796
>Because women aren't retarded

>>17948634
>>17948645
That’s actually false. They have at least one, Chilon of Sparta who was a sage known for pithy sayings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilon_of_Sparta

One of his terse sayings was to the effect of you shouldn’t promise something because you may not live to keep your word and philosophers who came later such as sextus Empiricus and Hegel in his lectures on Greek lit took this even further and interpolated that you should never put any sort of faith in sense perception because all of the visual realm is equally liable to falsehood. You can’t promise or have faith in anything because everything is illusory.

That’s sort of reaching and stretching what he said but Chilon and the seven sages did have at least marginal influence on others to come.

>>17948852
>The problem is the process that churns out those retards. And the process is that since the 13th century philosophy

Philosophy stopped being good after Thomas Aquinas lul, or is that just the stuff you grew up on in catholic school and everything else forces you to think too much. Tell me, have you actually read a whole book by a philosopher after the 13th century? If not I advise you wisen up a little and stop allowing vague notions and ideas you heard from other people on what philosophy is about to decide your impression.

I used to loathe Nietzche because I was stupid enough to let self-proclaimed Nietzchians decide what I should think of him and all the stupid hes associated with in public discourse, people's misunderstanding of what his project was and all the concepts he deploys. All this is dispelled when you read Twilight of the Idols.

>>17949677
I haven't gone to the Catholic school and I personally don't like scholasticism either. But presumptuous as it was, people seemed to maintain spiritual practices along side it without a shadow of dissonance. I cannot say the exact same post scholasticism.

>Tell me, have you actually read a whole book by a philosopher after the 13th century?
Of course. And I've found many that were genuinely useful and profound, among them Merleau-Ponty and a few other, locally published phenomenologists. And they are trying to grapple with this participation-less problem that I described, some going as far as "defeating" subjectivism through the philosophy of participation. But they ultimately fail to change anything for anyone because thinking your way out of over-intellectualization is like escaping poverty by printing money.

>Nietzche
I've read bits of the Gay Science and felt he was outstandingly clever but oddly unproductive. Maybe I'll get around to Twiligt of the Idols, I haven't heard it recommended before...

Women are too basic and just live in the present and have their needs met with luxuries.
>>17946830
She was an enchantress.
>>17946832
Which one?

>>17949731
Rand.

>>17946824 (OP)
The purpose of the world was to create philosophers, who are childless
They are the end product and the highest creation
It does not make sense for women to take up that role

>>17948584
Sparta didn’t have any male philosophers either

>>17949948
Rand was a polemicist who dressed up her anti-communist propaganda in a veneer of pseudo-philosophical jargon. But she was never a serious philosopher. With her, it was always about politics and economics first and foremost.

>>17946824 (OP)
Nietzsche pointed out that women don't care about Truth, only Life.

This was a compliment.

>>17949615
Vaguely remember reading that his family was from Athens or something like that. Wish there were a way to look facts like that up easily

>>17950083
She has a fully coherent metaphysics and epistemology which she described in excruciating detail explaining her capitalist axiom. That is way more viable to be taken seriously than say plato's (and later kant's) world of forms/noumenal world.

>>17946841
/his/, everybody

>>17948852
Great post, I was going to ree but I finished it and I agree

>>17948799
>>philosophy = retardation
>Explain
It's not retardation, but it is largely pointless mental masturbation. Nietzsche (a philosopher, i know) made a good point that most, if not all philosophers fall in love with their own ideas, because their own ideas seem intuitive and make sense, to them.

>>17949731
>She was an enchantress.
Awakened folks are like that. If you met one you would be spellbound. The energy field they emit hits different. (this is why saints/sages are surrounded by halos in religious iconography)

>>17949999
householder yogis exist. Socrates had a nag and kids I think. It's just harder to reach the end of the path with family distractions.

>>17946824 (OP)
>Why are there no female philosophers?

Why are there no female pedophiles?

>>17946824 (OP)
females are not sentient

>>17950277
I am not certain of Chilos’ forefathers but he is certainly Sparta born and raised himsef and so he counts. If you include foreign philosophers who supported Sparta of course you would have Socrates in ‘Second Alcibiades’ which is a defense of Spartan culture in opposition to Athens’.

>>17946824 (OP)
because it was a different time

>>17946824 (OP)
Women don't engage in deep thinking.

>>17954137
Men didn't allow women in education because they feel threatened

During Christianity they just straight up killed intelligent women for witchcraft and other nonsense

>>17954122
Yeah, I'm thinking of someone else. Got really into checking backstories of the Diogenes Laertius etc "forgotten" philosophers, and the divide between Ionian and Doric in intellectual output is just stark, just like that infographic posted from time to time here says. Includes your Corinths and Argoses and Thebeses, not just Sparta. Up until around the time of Socrates it includes Athens itself. Close to nobody of note or nobody acknowledged by contemporary authors outside the East. Wasn't really until after Hellenistic shakeups that you get them from all over the Greek world. Probably all economics at the end of the day but maybe it's that Carian/Pelasgian/Trojan Bronze Age West Anatolian blood you know what I'm saying?

>>17954593
>because they feel threatened
Haha. Ridiculous. Women are generally, and when I say generally, I mean GENERALLY more prone to causing friction wherever they go. They are generally stupid also.

>>17954616
Yes, I get it. It can be divided as follows

Dorics
>”sages” and aphoristic sayings somewhat akin to easterners like Confucius

Ionians
>everything as composed of one physical element - fire of Heraclitus, water of Thales

Eleatics
>motion as impossible and everything as one abstract totality- Being

Generally, Eleatics are viewed as most advanced of the three.

Women struggle to think past their vaginas. The few who do escape the prison of their endless self regard are either madwomen or intellectual drudges whose ideas live on only in the archives of the trivially obsessed. Education has not improved matters, it has only increased the number of women writing and publishing about their vaginas instead of endlessly maundering about it over tea. The monumental effort required by a woman to escape the vagina event horizon consumes essentially her entire vital essence, leaving nothing for true discovery.

>>17954590
Deep thinking isn't philosophy. Philosophy quiets your thinking and empties the mind of refuse (thoughts, attachments, unbidden memories, etc.).

>>17951971
That's just manipulation, like the typical use of perfumes to alter your state of mind and make you easier to use.
>>17954822
>GENERALLY more prone to causing friction
Don't tell that to the alchemists that push the idea that god is an union of both male and female energies, like Shiva and Parvati or the ying-yang, claiming that they are in eternal bliss.

>>17954850
>The monumental effort required by a woman to escape the vagina event horizon consumes essentially her entire vital essence
Hypatia was a virgin. People from all walks of life crowded around her, and, thinking they were mesmerized by her incredible beauty, didn't realize they were actually drawn to her purity of spirit. If your spirit detaches from the mind and gains a little distance from it, your entire life becomes blessed. You can found new religions or schools of philosophy etc. easily, because people flock to you, want to listen, and feel the urge to help or even serve you. Wild stuff. There might have even been people throughout history who walked the path of freedom from the mind, and tried to teach it!