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Anonymous No.17947609 [Report] >>17947657 >>17947666 >>17947943 >>17947986 >>17948225 >>17948261 >>17948272 >>17948358 >>17948756 >>17950945 >>17951232 >>17951435 >>17951554
Blacks built America
Why does this statement upset so many people? Why do people like to pretend black Americans ancestors were just sitting around??
Anonymous No.17947639 [Report] >>17948225 >>17948545 >>17949689 >>17950752 >>17951561
because the united states of america is a white supremacist settler-colonial nation built on the exploitation of minorities and its working class.
Anonymous No.17947653 [Report]
Because it contradicts the "Europeans built America" narrative.
Anonymous No.17947657 [Report]
>>17947609 (OP)
>Why does this statement upset so many people?
>Upset
Because it's nonsense
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2016/03/no-slavery-didnt-build-america/
Anonymous No.17947665 [Report] >>17947715 >>17947721 >>17947784
blacks were a mostly southern phenomenon and still are to a degree.
the south was never an industrial powerhouse and blacks were used for the sole purpose of agricultural labor until the early 1900s.
after world war one, blacks were "invited" into already built northern and midwestern cities to work in already established factories and warehouses.
america was primarily built by anglos, scots, and germans. irish and chinese formed major labor pools at times, but under the direction of the previous group.
the only people to contribute less than the blacks were the native americans.
Anonymous No.17947666 [Report] >>17947747 >>17947873 >>17947910 >>17947940
>>17947609 (OP)
This built America? Doesn't look all that difficult.
Anonymous No.17947715 [Report] >>17947742
>>17947665
Didn't black ppl build the Whitehouse, capitol, and eastern railroad?
Anonymous No.17947721 [Report] >>17947741 >>17947760
>>17947665
Northern blacks were never especially integrated into society they tend to live apart from everyone else and usually live on welfare and do not contribute anything economically whereas blacks in the South can be found doing any and all manner of unskilled grunt labor. Some even blame that on the climate and latitude, that blacks were not really evolved to live above 36N and do not thrive in northern regions. this may be true, they can't metabolize Vitamin D properly and become obese and sickly up north.
Anonymous No.17947741 [Report] >>17947760
>>17947721
>36N and do not thrive in northern regions. this may be true, they can't metabolize Vitamin D properly and become obese and sickly up north
Northern motherfucker here.
I've seen my fair share of skinny, lean, and built Black folks here.
We have fat ones here too, but quite a few of them are not that. Especially the guys.
Anonymous No.17947742 [Report] >>17947746 >>17948458
>>17947715
No? Blacks did not possess enough skill to be masons or carpenters, they were only used for menial labor and chores. Slaves were probably used to construct some railroads early on, because most railroads were local, as well as privately owned and operated. So their construction was a small, private undertaking usually by local concerned parties. Such small concerns would undoubtedly try to save costs however they could, so slave labor would be an obvious go-to for the menial parts of the job.

But the bulk of US railroad was constructed by white men, and by a lot of immigrants. Particularly the Irish, in the east, and the Chinese in the west.

And the construction of monuments was not something you could leave to slaves, most of whom could not even read and thus could only follow verbal instructions.
Anonymous No.17947746 [Report] >>17947752 >>17951382
>>17947742
Were blacksmiths considered unskilled labor?
Anonymous No.17947747 [Report] >>17947754 >>17950785
>>17947666
If picking cotton all day was so easy then how come whites in the south didn't just do it themselves?
Anonymous No.17947752 [Report] >>17947757 >>17947761
>>17947746
Washington famously used Mt Vernon as a kind of slave sanctuary. He viewed abolition of slavery as too radical, so he converted his personal estates into a place where slaves could live in relative autonomy with the plan to emancipate all slaves on his estates after his and his wife's passing.

To that end, he put far more effort into educating and training the slaves on his estates than was normal.
Anonymous No.17947754 [Report] >>17947758 >>17947766
>>17947747
Cause it's time consuming and tedious, and you'd have to actually pay whites for their labor.
Anonymous No.17947757 [Report]
>>17947752
>He viewed abolition of slavery as too radical
This is true insofar as abolitionism would've involved the immediate release of slaves as opposed to emancipation, which was seen as more of a gradual process, and was what states like New York were beginning to do at the time of Washington death.
Anonymous No.17947758 [Report] >>17948229
>>17947754
Oh so you wouldn't do it for free? Doesn't sound so easy anymore does it?
Anonymous No.17947760 [Report]
>>17947721
>>17947741
To further expound on that point.
>to estimate, with varying degrees of specificity, a person’s place of ancestry from their physical features is not a vindication of the biological race concept. Region, does not mean race. More recently terms such as "geographical ancestry", or "ancestral population" have replaced race in forensic literature
Anonymous No.17947761 [Report] >>17951382
>>17947752
Monticello must have been one of those rare slave sanctuaries too?
Anonymous No.17947766 [Report] >>17947776 >>17947783
>>17947754
>pay

The crazy thing is....there are "free" ppl today working for pay that can't afford to keep a roof over their head, while "slaves" were guaranteed room and board.
Anonymous No.17947776 [Report] >>17947783 >>17947786 >>17947791
>>17947766
Aah yes, the 0.17% of the population that's homeless is totally comparable to the 16% of the population that were forced to work for free to live in communal slave shacks and had no autonomy or even a remote possibility of social mobility or ability to contribute to the economy they were forced to participate in.
Anonymous No.17947783 [Report]
>>17947766
>>17947776
There's a better argument for fuedalism comparatively.
Anonymous No.17947784 [Report] >>17947804
>>17947665
>the only people to contribute less than the blacks were the native americans.
Friendly/cooperative indian tribes were indispensable in American military campaigns throughout the 1800s
Anonymous No.17947786 [Report] >>17947795
>>17947776
>0.17
If you consider people that are forced to live with their parents or other family it's probably closer to 10% of the adult population, and that's a conservative estimate.
Anonymous No.17947791 [Report] >>17947844
>>17947776
>no autonomy or even a remote possibility of social mobility or ability to contribute to the economy

Many of them were actually able to have families, which is more than alot "free" people today can say.
Anonymous No.17947795 [Report] >>17951575
>>17947786
Multiple generations living under the same roof has been the norm for most of human history. That's how most people in the American colonies lived for example, including my own ancestors. The idea of the nuclear family is very recent.
Anonymous No.17947804 [Report] >>17947832
>>17947784
That's negated by the fact that the Indians fought against the US to a much larger degree. A huge portion of British forces were essentially native proxies and people of mixed native ancestry.
Anonymous No.17947832 [Report]
>>17947804
Different tribes, different periods. The US at one point WAS "British forces"
Anonymous No.17947844 [Report] >>17947856
>>17947791
They were forced to have families, especially after the importation of further slaves was outlawed, as this was the only way to guarantee a steady supply of free labor for slave owners, which is partially the reason why postbellum black family dynamics were so fucked up with families ending up with children they couldn't afford to feed and deadbeat fathers.
Anonymous No.17947856 [Report] >>17947862
>>17947844
>They were forced to have families
Now nearly 50% of "free" men go years without so much as a whiff of pussy.
Anonymous No.17947862 [Report]
>>17947856
Yeah but there's more to life than sex, besides, we have the ability to jack off to endless porn. Slaves in the South could only dream of having such a luxury.
Anonymous No.17947873 [Report]
>>17947666
i would expect cotton plants to change in the course of 200 years
Anonymous No.17947910 [Report]
>>17947666
/thread

Imagine thinking fucking cotton and unskilled black labor built the technological and industrial powerhouse that is the US, if cotton was all it took, then India and Egypt would be as powerful as America.

The irony is the people who built america were scientists, the businessmen, innovators, engineers, wall to wall white men and all of them would get "cancelled" for their opinions nowadays. They figured how to put this all together with technology barely out of the middle ages, to be fair it wasn't even the majority of white men, but if you look at IQ statistics you understand it had to be white men. In a classroom of 25 white boys, you will find 2 or 3 with an IQ above 120, whereas you'd need 4 such classrooms of black boys to have a chance of finding 1, and likely only because they have some white ancestry.

So you have this high IQ race like east asians who retain trad values, discipline and protestant work ethic and who have come to value reason above all else with the enlightenment, and these men spread out through America harnessing its vast natural resources and adopting technology from Great Britain and in turn contributing to it, as early as Benjamin Franklin. People say "oh, it was the laborers who built it, with their hands", but those laborers could just have been easily ordered to build pyramids. No it was great minds that set them on the right path. And black laborers were the least among them, low IQ, low trust, high crime and difficulty learning new skills, yet supposedly they built a full 100% of America.

Of course black people don't understand a single word of this. And that's the great irony, most of them are nice people, but they will never understand how wrong they are.
Anonymous No.17947940 [Report] >>17951734
>>17947666
Anonymous No.17947943 [Report]
>>17947609 (OP)
>Why does this statement upset so many people?
Because it isn't true. Are groids going to take responsibility for Manifest Destiny or the Trail of Tears?
Anonymous No.17947986 [Report] >>17948009 >>17948599
>>17947609 (OP)
if blacks built america then why didn't they also build africa?????
Anonymous No.17948009 [Report] >>17948013 >>17948734
>>17947986
They weren't forced to by crack of whip.
Anonymous No.17948013 [Report] >>17949688
>>17948009
poor look for the blacks, a race happy in mud unless lead to advancement by others
Anonymous No.17948225 [Report]
>>17947609 (OP)
Because its not 100% true. Its just disgenious rhetoric that ignores that America was a group effort

>>17947639
Nice try glowie
Anonymous No.17948229 [Report]
>>17947758
Nobody does anything for free unless they have nothing to lose.
Anonymous No.17948261 [Report] >>17948603 >>17948734
>>17947609 (OP)
its interesting how blacks can never build their own countries but somehow always managed to build one's where white people live
Anonymous No.17948272 [Report] >>17948608
>>17947609 (OP)
Because it's inaccurate
Anonymous No.17948358 [Report] >>17948610
>>17947609 (OP)
No serious person says this
Anonymous No.17948458 [Report] >>17948482 >>17948627
>>17947742
The railroads in the south before and after the war were largely built and maintained by black labor. 19th century railroads required an endless amount of unskilled and semi skilled labor and blacks were available, whether as slaves, convicts, and eventually wage laborers.
It’s not we wuzzing to acknowledge the black men who worked on railroads, labored on steamboats, shipped out on Nantucket whalers or herded cattle out west. Whether they “built America” depends on how you define that.
Anonymous No.17948482 [Report] >>17948621
>>17948458
as i said the Southern economy has always been majorly reliant on unskilled black labor. down there they can be found doing almost anything from road construction to cleaning up garbage to working as restaurant cooks, janitors, working in food processing plants, farm labor, etc. the stereotype of the idle black welfare leech is a northern state thing mostly.
Anonymous No.17948545 [Report]
>>17947639
Fpbp
Anonymous No.17948599 [Report] >>17948734
>>17947986
Im talking about black Americans not Africans.
Anonymous No.17948603 [Report] >>17951587
>>17948261
Most modern white Americans are derived from later immigrants that came to an already built America via Ellis Island.
Anonymous No.17948608 [Report] >>17948669
>>17948272
Since when do people care about accuracy?

People call black Americans "African-Americans" when they are not Africans at all or at least not entirely african. Now all of a sudden accuracy matters.
Anonymous No.17948610 [Report]
>>17948358
Trump said it
Anonymous No.17948621 [Report] >>17948623
>>17948482
The stereotype of colonial era blacks that lived up north was one of somewhat well to do mulattos and house neuroscience.

The welfare leech stereotype is a modern thing.
Anonymous No.17948623 [Report]
>>17948621
*negros

Auto-correct is so stupid nowadays. How does "neuroscience" make sense in the context of what's being written?
Anonymous No.17948627 [Report]
>>17948458
>we wuzzing
Say what you want about black people, but the fact that people will try to deny their legitimate contributions validates the notion that there is an emotionally driven racial bias against them.
Anonymous No.17948669 [Report]
>>17948608
Don't be pedantic
Anonymous No.17948734 [Report] >>17948804
>>17948599
where the fuck do you think blacks in USA came from???

>>17948009
thats why nickname for whities is cracker - kek

>>17948261
THIS
Anonymous No.17948756 [Report]
>>17947609 (OP)
>Why does this statement upset so many people?
Because attributing achievement to the lowest level is misleading. It's like saying "hammers built America", "cashiers charge crazy prices" or "Tech support runs Microsoft". They might be or have been the instruments doing the most visible part, but the achievement is attributed to the people in charge, not the people who do the bidding. Cashiers aren't charging you crazy prices, it's the store that hired them to do that. Tech support doesn't run Microsoft, it's the managers that do (both Indian tho).
Anonymous No.17948804 [Report]
>>17948734
>where the fuck do you think blacks in USA came from???

America.

Their ethnogenisis happened in the Americas prior to the formation of modern nation states, and they are part European. Framing them as displaced Africans is inaccurate, objectively speaking.
Anonymous No.17949688 [Report] >>17949705 >>17950732 >>17950737 >>17950742
>>17948013
The thing of it is, like all things, innovation is driven by necessity.
Now, for Black folks, that wasn't really a thing back in Africa.
But, once they were brought to America, and set free, were they able to possibly contribute to a more advanced society with innovations.
Which they ended up doing.
Anonymous No.17949689 [Report] >>17949695
>>17947639
if only
Anonymous No.17949695 [Report]
>>17949689
He's right. American psychopathic white supremacists, who actually run the country, harp on about a meritocracy but what they really mean is white. White people in the US don't actually agree with this and would rather they didn't mass import brown people to lower wages
Anonymous No.17949705 [Report] >>17950181
>>17949688
blacks actually didn't invent any of that shit
Anonymous No.17950181 [Report] >>17951528
>>17949705
Google screws me here, but the point still stands.
I for sure know that blood plasma bags were invented by a Black person.
Anonymous No.17950732 [Report] >>17950737
>>17949688
>innovation is driven by necessity
>Now, for Black folks, that wasn't really a thing back in Africa
For my entire lifetime, I've been asked to donate money to starving and destitute Africans, while white doctors donated their time to managing their widespread disease epidemics. Africa is not and has never been paradise, they just don't solve any problems on their own
Anonymous No.17950737 [Report] >>17950742
>>17949688
>>17950732
Also those "black inventions" are just patents on new designs for already existing inventions. Someone invented a baby carriage, a black person designed a new one that may or may not have ever been adopted or seen any success as a product, and now they say that without black people, we wouldn't know how to push babies around in a stroller. It's ridiculous.
Anonymous No.17950742 [Report] >>17950770
>>17949688
>>17950737
Blacks invented a lot of things related to telecommunications because for a huge chunk of the 20th century most telephone switchboard operators and computers ("computer" used to refer to a job position that basically involved moving tapes around and inserting them into mainframe tape readers)
Here are some examples of things in this space that blacks actually did invent
>Digital media formats while overseeing the creation of the Landsat Program and the Illusion Transmitter (Valerie Thomas)
>Bash Shell (Modern rewrite of the Thompson Shell for Post-UNIX System V and Linux) (Brian Fox)
>synchronous multiplex railway telegraph (Granville Woods)
>ROM based software cartridges (Jerry Lawson)
Anonymous No.17950752 [Report]
>>17947639
it's also very antisemitic that's why the j*ws should pack up their carpets and leave immediately
Anonymous No.17950770 [Report] >>17950777
>>17950742
First thing I look up and even AI says it's bullshit
>Valerie Thomas did not invent digital media formats herself but was responsible for developing the image processing systems that handled the digital media from the Landsat satellite program
NASA hired her as part of their Civil Rights era push to diversify their workforce in the name of good will towards the black race, and the people she worked with developed some technologies that she gets credit for because she's a black woman and they need examples of black women inventors to own the chuds with
Anonymous No.17950777 [Report] >>17950799
>>17950770
>and even AI says it's bullshit
...
Anonymous No.17950785 [Report]
>>17947747
They did.
Blacks weren’t the only people doing labor in the south. They were just the slaves.
Anonymous No.17950799 [Report] >>17950814 >>17950825
>>17950777
What's your source saying she invented the first digital media format?
Anonymous No.17950814 [Report] >>17951458
>>17950799
What's your source saying she didn't. AI isn't a source, no matter how hard you want it to be.
Anonymous No.17950825 [Report] >>17951458
>>17950799
>What's your source
She literally has a patent
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/025521337/publication/US4229761A?q=pn%3DUS4229761
Anonymous No.17950828 [Report] >>17950901 >>17950905
Blacks are farming equipment
Anonymous No.17950901 [Report] >>17951258
>>17950828
They're not even that
Anonymous No.17950905 [Report] >>17951112
>>17950828
>implying they can actually produce food
oh sweet summer child
Anonymous No.17950945 [Report]
>>17947609 (OP)
Because they leave their cotton house and rev up their cotton house to drive around cotton roads. The only place they can escape the fact blax built amerikuh is cyberspace.
Anonymous No.17951112 [Report]
>>17950905
>Zimbabwe

The discussion isn't about Africans.
Anonymous No.17951232 [Report] >>17951351
>>17947609 (OP)
>blacks enriched jews
fixed that for you.
Anonymous No.17951258 [Report]
>>17950901
Why did you post a picture of a combine from a Nebraska wheat farm where there has never been a single black?
Anonymous No.17951351 [Report] >>17951625
>>17951232
The founding fathers were jewish?
Anonymous No.17951382 [Report]
>>17947746
>>17947761
>nog thinks slave blacksmiths who forged nails were equal to white blacksmiths who made swords, guns, knives of masterwork quality
lol
Anonymous No.17951435 [Report] >>17951483
>>17947609 (OP)

If slavery made America rich why were the northern states richer than the southern states? Why is Canada which never had slaves more successful than Brazil which had slaves until 1890? Why is Mauritania which practices slavery today not an economic powerhouse? If Europe is rich thanks to colonialism as the leftists say, why is Portugal, the longest-lasting Western empire (1415-1999) poorer than countries that didn't have colonies like Poland, Slovenia, or Finland? Ay Tone. I think Professor Schlomo Goldberg lied to me.
Anonymous No.17951458 [Report]
>>17950814
Not how it works
>>17950825
Yeah, on an "illusion transmitter" not the shit you claimed as the first digital media format
Anonymous No.17951466 [Report] >>17951471 >>17951485
Weren't they like 10% of the population?
Am I to believe that 10% did all the work and 90% just sat back with their feet kicked up?
Anonymous No.17951471 [Report]
>>17951466
They don't really put much thought into things like numbers and proportions. They just see pictures of black people in the cotton fields and think "WE'Z DID ALL DA WORK FO DEM CRACKAZ".
Anonymous No.17951483 [Report]
>>17951435
>slavery made America rich
Where did I say that?

The United States became rich from winning major wars that gave it control of extremely valuable continental land.

And yes, black Americans were involved in those conflicts.
Anonymous No.17951485 [Report]
>>17951466
In the first census enslaved ppl were 20% of the population. Keep in mind that not all black Americans were slaves. So the real percentage is probably 25% or so of those counted.
Anonymous No.17951528 [Report] >>17951618
>>17950181
>if you're not white you're black

The forced black/white binary has done so much damage to the development of a genuine american identity.
Anonymous No.17951554 [Report]
>>17947609 (OP)
Blacks were notoriously unproductive even as slaves. You can say it's because they were forced but the point is that was the reputation they received.
Anonymous No.17951561 [Report]
>>17947639
Do you ever get tired?
Anonymous No.17951575 [Report]
>>17947795
Multiple generation households were usually borne of necessity. It wasn't a lifestyle choice so much as an economic one. And it certainly wasn't rare to see nuclear family households in the 18th and 19th centuries in America. There were also tons of people that would just fuck off, go west for better opportunity, and never see their family again.
Anonymous No.17951587 [Report]
>>17948603
This is patently false. It depends upon region but I would guess a majority have at least some colonial ancestry. Also it's very historically inaccurate to call all post Revolution immigration "Ellis Island" since Ellis Island didn't open until 1892. It's way more common for a white American to be descended from the Micks fleeing Ireland or Krauts fleeing Germany between 1840-1880 than 20th century immigrants.
Anonymous No.17951618 [Report] >>17951620
>>17951528
We had a genuine American identity
Anonymous No.17951620 [Report] >>17951621
>>17951618
Is that a question or a statement?
Anonymous No.17951621 [Report]
>>17951620
Was there a question mark?
Anonymous No.17951625 [Report]
>>17951351
no, but also yes in spirit.
Anonymous No.17951734 [Report]
>>17947940
Kek