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Anonymous No.17948017 >>17948041 >>17948044 >>17948068 >>17948158 >>17948164 >>17948167 >>17948223 >>17948228 >>17948360 >>17948542 >>17948708 >>17948715 >>17948814 >>17948878 >>17948902 >>17949238 >>17949416 >>17949498 >>17952792
history's greatest mistake
Anonymous No.17948041
>>17948017 (OP)
Wakanda will never exist
You will never a functional shitskin civilization
Anonymous No.17948044
>>17948017 (OP)
Wakanda will never exist
You will never a functional civilization
Anonymous No.17948047 >>17949112
Wakanda will never exist
You will never have a functional civilization
Anonymous No.17948051 >>17948228 >>17948682 >>17949105 >>17949607 >>17952803
so what happened to that well regulated militia?
Anonymous No.17948068
>>17948017 (OP)
that’s not the 19th amendment
it’s not even the 13th amendment
Anonymous No.17948158 >>17948492 >>17948803 >>17948818 >>17949118 >>17949598 >>17951487
>>17948017 (OP)
The time the 2nd amendment was written the best firearms available were single shot black powder muzzle loading pistols & rifles
Anonymous No.17948164 >>17948228
>>17948017 (OP)
>can I have firearms?
>to have a well regulated militia and secure a free state?
>....yeeeeees?
>actually just use it for crime like a boss
Anonymous No.17948167 >>17948179 >>17948960
>>17948017 (OP)
i think the third amendment not applying to cops is the worst mistake
Anonymous No.17948179 >>17948183
>>17948167
You got cops sleeping in your house?
Anonymous No.17948183 >>17948187 >>17948960
>>17948179
shit they might as well be, they have access to your phone records by just asking your service provider for that info. we live in a constant state of surveillance. what good is the 2nd amendment for if cops are militarized. yknow like how the british had their militarized “police force” which was soldiers. they were the cops of their time, and these are ours.
Anonymous No.17948187 >>17948191
>>17948183
You don't NEED to store cp on your phone
Anonymous No.17948191 >>17948207
>>17948187
don’t hit me with that
>if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear
bullshit. it’s about squashing genuine political movements that threaten the state.
Anonymous No.17948207 >>17948219 >>17948546
>>17948191
>it’s about squashing genuine political movements that threaten the state.
like what?
Anonymous No.17948219
>>17948207
Free access to loli minge for one
Anonymous No.17948223
>>17948017 (OP)
yeah it was a pretty big mistake that this wasn't made a part of the constitution of every western nation.
Anonymous No.17948228 >>17948462
>>17948051
>>17948164
>>17948017 (OP)
It means in modern English:
A well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, therefore the right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It means that the freedom to own guns is necessary to create well regulated militias, not the other way around.
Anonymous No.17948360 >>17948397 >>17948401 >>17948409 >>17948436 >>17948538 >>17948692 >>17949618
>>17948017 (OP)
I love how gun grabbers today are gaslighting people by introducing bills that make gun ownership more difficult and then saying “oh no, this bill actually strengthens the second amendment.” To me, the second amendment means that the people should have, at the bare minimum, completely unfettered and unmonitored access to a volume, capability, and sophistication of weaponry that their government has. If not more so. Which means that citizens should be able to pool their capital and buy a tank or warheads or a fighter jet if they wish. Even so-called conservatives and libertarians balk at the idea that “arms” doesn’t just mean guns and that, in theory, citizens should be able to own weapons capable of profound destruction on par with those owned by any national government.
Anonymous No.17948397 >>17948425
>>17948360
DC v. Heller says otherwise
Anonymous No.17948401 >>17948548 >>17948877
>>17948360

>gun grabbers today are gaslighting people by introducing bills that make

people who push for gun restrictions ultimately don't understand the unspoken political agency of guns in the hands of citizens or appreciate Democracy i.e. American Democracy i.e. an actual democracy and not some subhuman europoor knock off

>hate speech isn't free speech
>free X is a human right
>illegal immigrant? no they're undocumented migrants
>a man can be pregnant
>a woman can have a dick
>nobody forced you to take an experimental mRNA vaccine
>joe biden isn't senile

the list goes on and on...
Anonymous No.17948409 >>17948431 >>17951493
>>17948360
Yes, clearly the world would be a safer and more reasonable place if Elon Musk was allowed to buy his own nukes
Anonymous No.17948425
>>17948397
>unelected ivory tower elites in black robes said you can’t do something
Oh no
Anonymous No.17948431
>>17948409
Do I even need to share the Ben Franklin quote about safety and liberty?
Anonymous No.17948436 >>17948490 >>17948552 >>17948690
>>17948360
I'm generally oppose gun regulations, but I'd still draw the line at weapons that are inherently indiscriminate, like explosive warheads, gas, nukes, etc.

How do you justify civilian ownership of a weapon that has no possible lawful use because it is so powerful and indiscriminate that even if you were justified in using deadly force against the primary target, would invariably cause collateral damage to other people or property? Like, if you're being mugged on the street and throw a hand grenade at the nig, the shrapnel will go everywhere and harm others against whom you did not have the right to use force.
Anonymous No.17948462 >>17948790
>>17948228
>well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state,
But embarrassing that the Constitution justifies itself with such a blatantly incorrect statement.
Anonymous No.17948490
>>17948436
I view it as all or nothing. If a government can dictate what means you can use to defend yourself, then you don’t really have that right and thus you are not free. I understand what you’re saying and of course there would be many instances of innocents being harmed. But that already happens now with mass shootings (many of which are in Democrat cities or “gun free zones”).
Anonymous No.17948492
>>17948158
the average person didn't own a musket back then either
Anonymous No.17948538
>>17948360
Based beyond belief.
Only a profoundly feminine mind has a problem with this.
Anonymous No.17948542
>>17948017 (OP)
That's not the 15th or 19th?
Anonymous No.17948546 >>17948695
>>17948207
anything right of center.
Anonymous No.17948548 >>17949189 >>17949196
>>17948401
Anonymous No.17948552
>>17948436
>Gas and nukes (not real) are indiscriminate!

Not only is that not true, but if it were true, then that's all the more reason for citizens to have it over the government.
Anonymous No.17948561 >>17948691
>Presser v. Ilinois (1886) saw the Supreme Court rule that the II Amendment applied to the Federal government and not the states, and that there was no intrinstic constitutional right to form a private army or militia. The Court ruled that states could regulate ownership of firearms as they pleased short of actually banning them outright as the II Amendment still required a state to be able to have a functioning militia.

>Presser was overturned by McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010) when the Court ruled that the II Amendment did apply to the states.
Anonymous No.17948682
>>17948051
The feds does not like a militia force that is fully armed to teeth and free from the feds control. Thats why its always under threat.
Anonymous No.17948690
>>17948436
The 2nd amendment is specifically targeted against the government. A private militia force that is well armed, trained, by the community(non gov org), outside the control of the gov, as a means to counter balance against any centralized government. But as the amendment stands this use should be strictly limited to private militia for unlimited rights and anti-personnel weapons for private individuals outside of militias.
Anonymous No.17948691 >>17948793
>>17948561
so the consitution if fake and gay and they will ban guns when its convenient
Anonymous No.17948692
>>17948360
REAL

any, and I mean ANY legislation to limit, restrict, delay, inhibit, or otherwise prevent me from owning the exact same weapons the military owns is a direct violation of the constitution and I’m tired of pretending otherwise
private citizens used to own battleships at the time of the revolution
Anonymous No.17948695 >>17948706 >>17948707
>>17948546
Donald Trump is the president of the United State
There is currently a 53 Republican majority in the Senate
There is a 219 Republican majority in the House
There is a 6 to 3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court

You can stop pretending to be persecuted now
Anonymous No.17948696
There weren't really any Federal level restrictions on firearms ownership until the New Deal era.
Anonymous No.17948706 >>17948729
>>17948695
your average republican today would be considered a radical democrat in 2003

slippery slope is not a fallacy when you make it policy
Anonymous No.17948707 >>17948718 >>17948729 >>17948733
>>17948695
Only been half a year since the win. We still need to dismantle the federal state completely. Federal over reach, FBI needs to be culled and shutdown. Let the states handle their own thing. All the universities that teach communism needs to shutdown and taxed to 200% of revenue.
Anonymous No.17948708 >>17953896
>>17948017 (OP)
GUN CONTROL USA
many redpills for debating
>also
op is a commie
Anonymous No.17948715 >>17953896
>>17948017 (OP)
>history's greatest mistake
that was importing africans to USA
Anonymous No.17948718 >>17948797 >>17948809
>>17948707
Trump wants to dissolve the Department of Education. It has been a Republican plank to dismantle that since the Reagan years, so that's easy and doesn't require a lot of political capital. Some other letter agencies would be harder to dispense with and more entrenched.
Anonymous No.17948729 >>17948737 >>17948812
>>17948706
The republican party is more right wing now than it was in 2003.
>>17948707
>All the universities that teach communism needs to shutdown and taxed to 200% of revenue.
Trump has done this already with Harvard and other colleges. As for shutting down the federal state completely, unfortunately it won't happen because you elected a dictator.
Anonymous No.17948733 >>17948741 >>17948881
>>17948707
if it's not possible to dissolve it outright the FBI might be limited to strictly Federal investigations and be removed from state level crimes perhaps one may argue that raiding Bolton's house was fine because it was purely an internal government matter involving classified dox
Anonymous No.17948737 >>17948746
>>17948729
>the republican party is more right wing now than it was in 2003.

that’s a joke, the RNC convention was headlined by gays, foreigners, and gun control lobbyists
Anonymous No.17948741
>>17948733
Just cut down the staff by 50% for all federal institutions and shutdown 50% of the federal institutions. That will be the greatest achievement of Trump for all of America.
Anonymous No.17948746 >>17948783 >>17948826
>>17948737
Your president has mobilized the military to round up foreigners for deportation. The gay question hasn't been relevant for 12 years already.
Anonymous No.17948783
>>17948746
>Your president has mobilized the military to round up foreigners for deportation.
about time, too bad it’s 40 years too late
thanks for proving my points
Anonymous No.17948790
>>17948462
??? The lack of armed forces was necessary for independence to happen. They were proved more or less correct by the way the war for independence happened.
Anonymous No.17948793
>>17948691
No? Did you fucking read the entire post or just the first sentence of it?
Anonymous No.17948797
>>17948718
that was like in the 90s when they kicked welfare back to the states. a necessary move to be sure but it also wasn't exactly hard to do; welfare recipients are poor and can't pay off Congressmen to vote on their behalf.
Anonymous No.17948803
>>17948158
https://youtu.be/aqBw3H_Ik3s?si=JZV6IQvLwkg648SB
Anonymous No.17948809 >>17948817 >>17948829 >>17948843
>>17948718
DoE does fuck all anyway, it's literally nothing but bureaucratic bloat that, because it has "education" in its name, a lot of people for some reason believe is sacrosanct and dismantling it is akin to destroying public education. Nevermind that the DoE is like 50 years old at most, and since it was created public education in the US has steadily declined in almost every measurable statistic, practically year-on-year. It's actually vomit-inducing how such a terrible entity as the DoE has been allowed to exist for decades.
Anonymous No.17948812
>>17948729
>The republican party is more right wing now than it was in 2003.
when it comes to economic issues definitely because that was back when the neoliberal free trade=good meme was still dominating. on social issues perhaps a bit more moderate than back then since when Bush was president the evangelical "burn all fags at the stake" lobby was way more powerful than it is now.
Anonymous No.17948814
>>17948017 (OP)
>history's greatest mistake

The 13th was the greatest tragedy. Making non whites Citizens of the United States is satanic blasphemy.
Anonymous No.17948817 >>17948821
>>17948809
>Nevermind that the DoE is like 50 years old at mos
It was started in 1979, it's actually not even 50 yet.
Anonymous No.17948818 >>17948828 >>17948868
>>17948158
That's because the point of the 2nd Amendment was to make the people the equivalent of the national army. If their purpose was to make sure people were not a threat to the state they would have put limits in the 2nd amendment, but instead they put absolutely no limits at all. The 2nd amendment is a blank check to the American people to equip themselves as they see fit.
Anonymous No.17948821
>>17948817
Hence "at most". Neither of my parents grew up with a Department of Education in DC and somehow they received a better education than I did.
Anonymous No.17948826 >>17948840 >>17949571
>>17948746
>republicans want the federal military operating within all fifty states with immunity
How far the right has fallen
Anonymous No.17948828 >>17948842
>>17948818
>If their purpose was to make sure people were not a threat to the state they would have put limits in the 2nd amendment
Actually they never would've made a second amendment at all. Most countries don't have any kind of right to bear arms specifically because they want to ensure the people can never arm themselves in opposition to the state.
Anonymous No.17948829 >>17948845 >>17948850 >>17948911
>>17948809
like with the Great Society nobody really likes the DOE so it doesn't take a lot of political capital to call for its dissolution. there are a number of Federal agencies especially regulatory ones which should be done at the state level but it would be harder to get rid of those because there are any number of lobbyists/activists who would start screaming about children dropping of air pollution or cars randomly catching on fire on the highway if you got rid of them.
Anonymous No.17948840 >>17948862
>>17948826
>republicans are fascist
imagine my shock
Anonymous No.17948842
>>17948828
>Actually they never would've made a second amendment at all.
The wanted to ensure that the government could pass no law infringing on the right to bear arms. If they has enshrined no such right, then the government would have outlawed the possession of guns about 100 years ago.
Anonymous No.17948843 >>17948853
>>17948809
>Nevermind that the DoE is like 50 years old at most, and since it was created public education in the US has steadily declined in almost every measurable statistic, practically year-on-year
This is really what gets me. Who fucking objects to dismantling the Department of Education? Either

A) the Department actually does have a direct impact on education, in which case the 4+ decades of educational decline which has happened during its oversight are directly its fault and it should be dismantled with all haste to undo the damage it has caused to America's schools, or

B) the Department isn't responsible for educational decline and actually doesn't have any real impact on education, in which case why the fuck does it exist? Why is throwing more money at it going to "solve" anything when it apparently can't combat falling standards and performance in schools? Start slashing the budget now, and don't stop til there's no budget left.
Anonymous No.17948845
>>17948829
Even just suggesting a few reforms to Social Security (because it is after all an antiquated system from the 1930s) to modernize it a little brings out screaming activists yelling that old people will starve to death in the streets.
Anonymous No.17948850 >>17948863 >>17948911
>>17948829
The EPA was never necessary in the first place; most states already have an environmental protection bureau and California's is the stuff of infamy and worse than the Federal one.
Anonymous No.17948853 >>17948980
>>17948843
Anon, you’re forgetting the third option, which the entirety of Reddit and almost everyone in blue cities and blue states believe, which is the DOE is doing a great job but systemic racism, structural inequality, lack of allyship with the trans community, and a fear of immigrants by the redneck, hillbilly, racist students in the south and Midwest are sabotaging the otherwise exemplary efforts of the DOE and more federal funding is needed to expand it to tackle these challenges.
Anonymous No.17948862
>>17948840
stay there this time!
Anonymous No.17948863
>>17948850
the argument was more that in the absence of Federal level environmental laws then California would just dictate standards for the entire country as it's the wealthiest state and biggest market and Trump or whoever is president couldn't really do anything about it while he does have more direct control over what the EPA does.
Anonymous No.17948868 >>17948879
>>17948818
So a private citizen should be able to own a nuclear bomb if they can pony up the cash to build it? (Granted about the only private citizens who could pony up the cash are Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.)
Anonymous No.17948877 >>17948903
>>17948401
>>free X is a human right
Do you think property is a human right? You need the state to defend property claims for you or they're meaningless beyond what you can personally defend yourself.
>>nobody forced you to take an experimental mRNA vaccine
At what point did someone hold a gun to your head and say they would shoot you unless you took it?
Anonymous No.17948878 >>17948906
>>17948017 (OP)
And the people who have been the loudest about how the 2nd amendment is for rebelling against a tyrannical government have been not doing that when the government has gotten about as tyrannical as it's been any time lately.
Anonymous No.17948879 >>17948887
>>17948868
it would certainly be a good way to hold states accountable
Anonymous No.17948881
>>17948733
for one thing we may get rid of the mmuh crossed state lines meme that FDR's Justice Department invented from the air
Anonymous No.17948887 >>17953942
>>17948879
Do we really want more ways to start a world-ending war?
Anonymous No.17948902
>>17948017 (OP)
Eat a dick. Guns rule, FRT go brrrr
Anonymous No.17948903 >>17948910
>>17948877
holy midwit batman
Anonymous No.17948906 >>17948910
>>17948878
>And the people who have been the loudest about how the 2nd amendment is for rebelling against a tyrannical government have been not doing that when the government has gotten about as tyrannical as it's been any time lately.
are you a time traveler from 2003 still screaming about Bush Nazi?
Anonymous No.17948910 >>17948976
>>17948903
Not an answer to any part of my post.
>>17948906
No, I'm talking about the current president, in 2025, who is running roughshod over the concept of rule of law and trying to use state power as a weapon against his political enemies.
Anonymous No.17948911 >>17948913 >>17948914 >>17949602
>>17948829
Federal agencies should be abolished altogether instead of moving to the states. Does anyone care about the FDA says about nutrition? Does anyone except the craziest leftists follow what the CDC says on anything anymore? Would we bring back hundreds of thousands of private sector jobs if all these regulatory agencies that do nothing but strangle domestic industry just disappeared?>>17948850
The EPA is a complete joke. What they did to gas cans with these weird retard nozzles is indicative of what government as a whole does. Sticks its nose into something working perfectly fine, spends billions of dollars inventing problems that don’t exist, and then forces “solutions” that no one asked for and that make everything worse.
Anonymous No.17948913 >>17948919 >>17948920
>>17948911
>Would we bring back hundreds of thousands of private sector jobs if all these regulatory agencies that do nothing but strangle domestic industry just disappeared?
We already tried that, it was called the Gilded Age. I don't know about you but I don't want my fifth grader's hands getting mangled in an assembly line.
Anonymous No.17948914 >>17948932 >>17948941 >>17948946
>>17948911
>The EPA is a complete joke. What they did to gas cans with these weird retard nozzles is indicative of what government as a whole does.
of course then again as California has shown moving it back to the states could result in as or even worse faggotry
Anonymous No.17948919 >>17948926
>>17948913
>I don't know about you but I don't want my fifth grader's hands getting mangled in an assembly line

You're right, today we just get some brown kid in SE Asia to get his hands chopped off in an assembly line instead so you can buy cheap crap at Target.
Anonymous No.17948920
>>17948913
Why would your kid be working in a factory if you didn’t want them to? What point are you trying to make?
Anonymous No.17948926
>>17948919
That is also bad but the US government has less power to affect it since it happens outside their borders.
Anonymous No.17948932 >>17948937
>>17948914
And for example Trump could get rid of that faggot incandescent bulb and low flush toilet bans but he couldn't really do anything about Fagifornia imposing regulations like that.
Anonymous No.17948937
>>17948932
>If you don't want to boil the planet alive you're a faggot!
Anonymous No.17948941 >>17948966
>>17948914
a lot of the red states by their lonely would have no or only weak environmental laws. in the South everyone rips the emissions shit out of their F150s because fug the government.
Anonymous No.17948946
>>17948914
they required emissions hardware on cars in 1963, years before there even was an EPA. all vehicles made in 1974 and later must undergo biennial emissions tests.
Anonymous No.17948960
>>17948167
>>17948183
The 4th amendment is supposed to prevent what you’re complaining about. The 4th is supposed to prevent unreasonable searches and seizures. If anything, lament that those standards for reasonableness are too low.
Anonymous No.17948966
>>17948941
>a lot of the red states by their lonely would have no or only weak environmental laws
I agree and it's more an issue of that California is the biggest and wealthiest market in the country so everyone would just follow their environmental standards so they could sell products there. they could for instance ban incandescent bulbs and Trump couldn't have been able to repeal it as it wouldn't be a Federal level regulation while he could repeal EPA regs.
Anonymous No.17948976 >>17948983 >>17949024
>>17948910
>No, I'm talking about the current president, in 2025, who is running roughshod over the concept of rule of law and trying to use state power as a weapon against his political enemies.

you lost that argument ever since Obama decided to use the IRS to harrass people he didn't like
Anonymous No.17948980 >>17949459 >>17949485 >>17949519 >>17949561
>>17948853
Or a fourth option: the DOE tries and has an effect, but blacks and browns are so retarded that it doesn’t matter how much money get shoveled at them, educational metrics will continue to decline.
Anonymous No.17948983
>>17948976
I don't like that either, but I don't think it's of the scale or severity.
Anonymous No.17949024
>>17948976
A leftist will without fail always project his own beliefs onto his enemies.
Anonymous No.17949105 >>17949109 >>17949116 >>17949231
>>17948051
The Lost Generation passed a bunch of laws that hamstrung the 2A in response to relatively mild crime (see: prohibition era moonshining), couple that with the slow erotion of republican ideals of fraternity, and liberty in exchange for consumerism, and by the time the Boomers rolled around the concept was mostly dead. Most states don't maintain their State Guard because investing into the Natty Guard is easier (even though it's not an adequate check on federal power), and few municipalities have militia either, it's all just police and other random security contractors now.

The America of 1791 was a very different place to that of America in 2025. You guys really need another Jefferson, you've been getting fucked by neo-Hamiltonians (crypto-redcoats) for the past century.
Anonymous No.17949109 >>17949128
>>17949105
that was actually changed with the Militia Act of 1902 when state militias were replaced by the National Guard
Anonymous No.17949112 >>17951480
>>17948047
>you will never have a real ethnostate spammer lives on in the minds of local chuds
Based seasonal schizos
Anonymous No.17949116 >>17949128 >>17949163
>>17949105
>The Lost Generation passed a bunch of laws that hamstrung the 2A in response to relatively mild crime (see: prohibition era moonshining)
there's more than that it was also when they invented the fabrication that anything that was or ever could pass between state borders fell under Federal jurisdiction
Anonymous No.17949118
>>17948158
Both revolvers and magazine weapons were invented by then, actually.
One of the most famed burger explorers trailblazed across north america armed with a Girardoni rifle.
Anonymous No.17949128
>>17949109
State militias still exist, Texas and Florida come to mind. It's just that most States don't bother since they get no federal support for funding. The nasty side effect of course is that the National Guard can be federalized, so there's no recourse if the Feds do something fucky and the States don't like it.
>>17949116
Oh God, yeah I forgot about the Commerce Clause shenanigans. Honestly, I think one of the greatest mistakes of the American republic is in how SCOTUS is organized, and to some extent the sheer leeway courts have to rule on matters (even if the plain-text of statute law, especially that of the Constitution, contradicts said ruling).
Anonymous No.17949147 >>17949154
Wasn't even a Federal offense to kill the president until 1965, before then it would just be prosecuted by whatever state or other jurisdiction it took place in.
Anonymous No.17949154
>>17949147
>Wasn't even a Federal offense to kill the president until 1965
strangely convenient coincidence that that was changed when it was
Anonymous No.17949163 >>17949237
>>17949116
State borders are not Federal borders except when FDR's Justice Department decided they were.
Anonymous No.17949174 >>17949190 >>17951502
In all that I never heard anyone ask how tf did Luigi Mangione shooting that guy get considered a Federal terrorism case or anything but an ordinary homicide case to be prosecuted by New York.
Anonymous No.17949189
>>17948548
And I'm not the only lobster here being burned alive.
Anonymous No.17949190
>>17949174
it's federal because he crossed a state line, but the terrorism charge is pure malarkey.
Anonymous No.17949196
>>17948548
Irony is toxic i can't imagine why anyone would choose to speak irony except a very small person. Memes > irony
Anonymous No.17949231 >>17949454
>>17949105
>another Jefferson
He was a good president but didn’t really practice what he preached (embargo, Louisiana purchase, etc). What we need is a true state’s rights Chad in the White House. A modern day John Taylor of Caroline or a Patrick Henry.
Anonymous No.17949237 >>17949402
>>17949163
>FDR
He used taxpayer dollars to fund art exhibits and concerts and other stupid bullshit in the name of lifting America’s spirits at a time when most of middle America was starving to death. Truly one of the worst presidents of all time.
Anonymous No.17949238
>>17948017 (OP)

The right to self defense is a natural human right and any laws restricting weapons (other than WMDs) is a crime against humanity.

“You can’t use a gun for self-protection in Canada. It’s not a right that you have.”
-- Justin Trudeau -
Anonymous No.17949402 >>17949409
>>17949237
>right wing retard doesn't understand the importance of art and its relationship to the national spirit
Many such cases. Go sit in a parking lot.
Anonymous No.17949409 >>17949427
>>17949402
Yes please take a portion of my hard-earned money in the middle of a famine and give it to a graffiti artist to paint some stupid shit hundreds of miles away from me that I’ll never travel to go see, that’s what I need.
Anonymous No.17949412
The wording doesnt maje sense. It should bd because a well regulated militia.
>history greatest mistake
Allowing countries to get into debt
Anonymous No.17949416
>>17948017 (OP)
>tHAa SeCunD AMEendMunt WaZ A MusTAKE!!!!1
And?
What are you going to do about it fagboy?
Anonymous No.17949427 >>17949446
>>17949409
You wouldn't know what you needed if you were beat across the head with it
Anonymous No.17949446
>>17949427
Beat me with that tax-dollar-funded culture, really give it to me
Anonymous No.17949454
>>17949231
>we need is a true state’s rights
>every state decides to ban guns
Anonymous No.17949459
>>17948980
This is the redpill
Anonymous No.17949485
>>17948980
in the South they always knew this, blacks are disposable grunt labor for digging ditches and picking crops and nobody expects them to be MIT professors
Anonymous No.17949498
>>17948017 (OP)
Moron.
Anonymous No.17949519
>>17948980
that's like asking why very few Jews dig ditches or pick crops. they physically cannot it do.
Anonymous No.17949561
>>17948980
that's like asking why very few Jews dig ditches or pick crops. they physically cannot do it.
Anonymous No.17949571 >>17951774
>>17948826
does anyone find Democrats and especially Gavin Newsom's late fixation with states rights and resisting government tyranny a bit unusual?
Anonymous No.17949598
>>17948158
Private citizens could own cannons
Anonymous No.17949602
>>17948911
>Does anyone care about the FDA says about nutrition?
you might at least thank them for reason your food doesn't have lead or human feces in it
Anonymous No.17949607 >>17949619
>>17948051
Heavy artillery happened and it occurred to everyone a state like West Virginia can not afford to keep and maintain an arsenal of HimHers or sixth gen stealth fighter bombers.
Anonymous No.17949618 >>17949660
>>17948360
Maybe it SHOULD be this way but the federal government has a vested interest in preventing a 50m strong army with 9 tank divisions and 3 anti air brigades, 10 tactical nukes, from just existing autonomously within its border.

Also consider the problems of foreign interlopers. Imagine if wealthy New York Jews funded an army of MIGANIGAs to go around beating up HECKIN NAZI RACISTS.
Anonymous No.17949619
>>17949607
it's not as if they could have kept a fleet of ships-of-the-line in 1800 either
Anonymous No.17949627 >>17949635 >>17950173
when George Washington was president the US Army had 4,000 personnel in total there wasn't any navy yet and communication was awful and incredibly slow. nothing would have been able to stop a state from having a private army or seceding, they basically had to rely on the honor system and assume they would remain allegient to the national government.
Anonymous No.17949635 >>17950165
>>17949627
The peacetime US military was always tiny until the Korean War.
Anonymous No.17949660
>>17949618
>Also consider the problems of foreign interlopers
you think that was not a problem in the early days of the country when the British and Spanish were funding Indian raids and secessionist movements?
Anonymous No.17950160
as someone else said there was no Federal level firearms laws of any kind until the 1930s
Anonymous No.17950165 >>17950170
>>17949635
was that when we became world police?
Anonymous No.17950170
>>17950165
it's a bit complicated. the military was mostly dismantled after WW2 as had always been practice since the early days of the country and everything was in a poor state of preparedness when the Korean War began. even so the postwar US military was far reliant on the Navy and Air Force for power projection and the Army became neglected so that ultimately after Vietnam it almost fell apart and became a broken shitshow as it had in the 50s-60s lacked a real mission outside being support troops in the event of a NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict.
Anonymous No.17950173
>>17949627
As late as Andrew Jackson's day there was no guarantee that the Southern states seceding during the Nullification Crisis could have been stopped. It was only by the Civil War that the economic and power balance had reached the point where states could be prevented from seceding.
Anonymous No.17951190
ok
Anonymous No.17951480
>>17949112
Who?
Anonymous No.17951487
>>17948158
People privately owned warships with batteries of cannon. Nowadays shotguns only aren't regulated as destructive devices because of a sporting exemption that can be revoked if a gun design is arbitrarily too spooky.
Anonymous No.17951493
>>17948409
He can. Richfags control the governments that have WMDs.
Anonymous No.17951502 >>17952777
>>17949174
Super Mario Luigi would never get the chair anyway.

>if Federal conviction+death penalty, the appeals process would take years by which time a Democrat could be in the White House and pardon him
>if state conviction NY has no death penalty
Anonymous No.17951774 >>17952178 >>17952773
>>17949571
Very few people have a principled position on states' rights, they just want more of it when the state agrees with them against the federal government and less of it when the federal government agrees with them against the state. That goes for both parties.
Anonymous No.17952178 >>17952182
>>17951774
i too remember my teenage George Carlin "they're all out to screw you" phase
Anonymous No.17952182
>>17952178
I'm not only talking about politicians- this goes for ordinary partisan voters too.
Anonymous No.17952773 >>17953111
>>17951774
which is false btw as stupid as California's environmental laws are it's their business to do them if they wish
Anonymous No.17952777 >>17952782
>>17951502
There are about 60 different offenses that could carry the Federal death penalty. I don't know many of them but I bet a fair number are unconstitutional.
Anonymous No.17952782
>>17952777
>I don't know many of them but I bet a fair number are unconstitutional.
easy. check if it was added to the books after the 1920s. if so it probably is.
Anonymous No.17952792
>>17948017 (OP)
As a Firearm owner I strongly disagree. Since the majority of firearms on Earth are in the hands of American Civilians, by many anti-2As logic the US should also have the highest rate of gun violence, but it doesn't, it's not even close in fact, the US isn't even in the top 60 most violent countries on Earth, which makes this a fallacious argument and there are many other confounding factors that lead to homicide and violent crime than just access to firearms. I think people who want to ban guns are intellectually bankrupt and cannot see how simply improving peoples quality of life would lead to lower gun violence without having to resort to banning or restricting civilian ownership of firearms
I would nevertheless never blame anyone for being afraid of guns, because guns can be dangerous in the wrong hands, and I don't think gun violence should be trivialized either.
Anonymous No.17952803 >>17953987
>>17948051
The right is the right to bear arms. The need of the well regulated militia is the reason why we have the right to bear arms. If it was the right to a well regulated militia it would say that but it doesn't.
>a well balanced breakfast, being necessary to good health, the right of the people to eggs shall not be infringed.
Do the people have the right to eggs or the breakfast?
Anonymous No.17953111
>>17952773
Even if it results in the products sold to the whole country being made to California regulations because they're the strictest and the biggest market?
Anonymous No.17953136 >>17953158
>the second amendment calls for banning gun ownership because it contains the word "regulated"
Anonymous No.17953158 >>17953163 >>17953167 >>17953995
>>17953136
Regulated, meaning to maintain the standard of the day
Anonymous No.17953163 >>17953167 >>17953987 >>17953995
>>17953158
I don't know why everyone gets hung up on the word regulated. It literally does not matter how you interpret it. It clearly states the right that is being guaranteed to the people is the right to keep and bear arms. It does not clarify that they must be in a militia. It does not say it doesn't count if the militia is bad. It explains why the right is needed then states what that right is. Debate if it was a good idea. Rally state legislators to call a convention to change it if you want to, but the wording is clear.
Anonymous No.17953167
>>17953163
>>17953158
NTA btw.
Anonymous No.17953896
>>17948708
>>17948715
underrated
Anonymous No.17953942 >>17954820
>>17948887
Why do you insist on state being such piece of shit that citizens would drop nukes on it?
Anonymous No.17953987
>>17952803
>>17953163
The wording is perfectly clear to anyone literate. The problem is, like with most liberal or left-wing interpretations of the Constitution, you get some smarmy, elite faggots twisting and stretching meaning to fit their goals and then they pass down the talking points to the illiterate who repeat it endlessly. You’re wasting your time trying to explain English to these people. They’re beyond hope.
Anonymous No.17953995
>>17953163
>>17953158
"Congress shall have the power to regulate interstate and overseas commerce"

what it meant was the national government shall have the power to mediate disputes between state governments, in this case "interstate commerce" meant "relations between the states." at some point in the 20th century this was re-interpreted by progressives to mean something entirely different.
Anonymous No.17954820
>>17953942
I don't, but the more people have nukes the greater the odds that someone will be crazy enough to use one for no good reason, or launch one by accident, or whatever.