Thread 17948479

Online LARPagans love to bitch and moan endlessly about muh pagan statues and temples being destroyed by Christians, as if this is somehow exceptional and noteworthy or some kind of special crime against humanity, as if pagans wouldn't do the same if the had the opportunity to do the same to Christians if they had the chance, if pagans were to take over Christian societies they'd destroy everything Christians have built.

Maybe they should just simply accept that destroying the material culture of your enemies is normal, standard behavior when it comes to civilizational clashes, Christians destroying pagan art is not exceptional or worthy of indignation, destroying your enemy's art is quite literally the norm, it's what everyone has done, pagans included.

pagans are just atheists with a muslim fetish. screeching incoming in 3,2,1...

>>17948479 (OP)
>"It's not a massive slap in the face to humanity that we destroyed so much history because our religious rivals would've done the same!"
Christians are beyond narcissistic holy shit. Nobody outside your death cult takes it seriously.

>>17948479 (OP)
I agree. Christian churches should be destroyed next.

>>17948481
>>"It's not a massive slap in the face to humanity that we destroyed so much history because our religious rivals would've done the same!"
It's what every civilization has done, retard. Julius Caesar genocided the Druids, Akhenaten destroyed the religious infraestructure of Egypt in order to make Aten the only god, Aztecs destroyed the history of their conquered enemies, which is why Spanish conquistadors had such an easy time destroying Mesoamerican history, because by the time they came the Aztecs had already done half the work for them.

>>17948483
Great, then I don't want to ever see you again bitch about what Christians did to the pagans, since you've admitted that you'd do the same to the Christians.

Christians always say "based" and "christ is king" when they destroy pagan monuments or what they did to the cordoba mosque.
But for some reason, the hagia sophia getting same treatment is an insane unforgivable crime.
Hypocrite bitches

>>17948491
>We're for our team and we want our team to win, we celebrate when we defeat our enemies and we don't like it when our enemies defeat us.
>H-hypocrite!!!!
STFU you whiny bitch.

>>17948491
>cordoba mosque.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY JIHADERINOOOOOOOOOOOS

>>17948498
>>17948501
Im not the hypocrite here you christcuck cocksuckers. I dont give a shit about the mosque do with it what you want but dont go around crying when the same happens to churches.

>>17948483
Varg did once and he ended up accidentally destroying 1,000 year old pagan carvings. Good jerb.

>>17948505
it's not really the loss of buildings that bother us, but the loss of the faithful. what is silly about your position is you care only about the stones, while the faith itself is fully irrelevant. prove me wrong, go to a square and preach Odin

Lmao, hardly. If pagans took over, Christian idols and whatnot would end up in private collections and museums. The Muslims use the Hagia Sophia as a mosque - no point in destroying fine art, unless you are a superstitious Christian and think it's demonic.

Ironically the crossroaches that defaced statues would have detested Christian idols too, they simply understood the Jewish second commandment the same way the Jews who chimped out at the Caesar statues did, the same way Muslims do now.

>>17948511
you are retarded, did Jacobines destroy church statues because of masonic iconoclasm? every regime tears down the old one symbols

>>17948511
>Lmao, hardly. If pagans took over, Christian idols and whatnot would end up in private collections and museums.
You mean like all of the idols and works of art that have been preserved by Christians throughout the ages and are in museums right now?
>The Muslims use the Hagia Sophia as a mosque - no point in destroying fine art
Muslims destroyed the majority of the art inside the Hagia Sophia because they consider it idolatrous. And ever since it became a mosque again all the art on the walls has been covered and you can't see it because it functions as a mosque now, not a museum, as it was a couple of years ago.
>Ironically the crossroaches that defaced statues would have detested Christian idols too
Christian iconography goes all the way back to when Christians were in catacombs. The iconoclast controversy didn't happen until much later in the Byzantine Empire, nothing to do with when Christianity was risign.

Hold while I kill [Demiurge].
*Pew, pew, pew*
*Evasion mode*
*Pew, Pew*.

>>17948525
*Unseathes Bandana*
Galactica Phantom!!

At least christianity is dying. Right, my atheist bros? Oh.... wait.....

>>17948537
But what happens if there's a God but Christian religion is fake?

>>17948543
he'll understand. the sentiment was pure.

it actually wasn't normal back then. it would be seen as normal religious sensibilities now because of millennia of barbaric idiot abrahamic religions perpetuating this retarded and malevolent practice.

>>17948479 (OP)
Multiple Christian authors and rulers condemned this practice, it is a chimpout as Christianity is not a religion that backs iconoclasm.
>>17948740
Its is simply a religious style of Damnatio memoriae. Pagan Rome even did more comprehensively on a civilizations scale against Carthage, barely any texts or works are left when they did exist.

>>17948489
> Richard dawkins got beef with God or christianity or religion .He hate it . Tbh it is his choice
> Richard also know this if islam take over. He say bye to Atheism , and every ideology.

>>17948479 (OP)
>as if pagans wouldn't do the same if the had the opportunity to do the same to Christians if they had the chance
Holy esl. Well christianity is jewish, so yes, jose. Not really a double standard

>>17948479 (OP)
>pagans would do the same
Actually no.

The abrahamic religions are pretty much the only religions in the world that preach such militant nonsense.
Everyone else is just kinda chill with other religions, having the sense to realize that they're all worshipping the same thing just with different names.

>>17948970
>Actually no.
a mistake, clearly

>>17948975
How so?

>>17948988
You favor pagans but prefer to live under the yoke of abrahamics?

>>17948479 (OP)
Except Hellenism is actually true while Christianity is a scam that produced nothing of value.

Christians do not even want to give an actual reason for why their beliefs are “true”, instead using statements such as “just believe” and “your faith will save you”. Any religion who explicitly requires its followers to have blind faith is by definition a cult. Due to their blind faith, any trickster among them can acquire mass wealth (eg. mega churches).

Christians cannot even come to any sort of agreement and often slander each other as “heretics”. Whether it be Protestants accusing Catholics of being “Satan-worshipping pagans” or the Catholic Church declaring a crusade against the Cathars for “heresy”, each sect has convinced itself that they are the one true church founded by Jesus Christ himself and that everyone else are “heretical splinter groups.”

Jesus himself was nothing more than a grifter. He was not the “son of God”, but rather was the child of a Roman soldier named Panthera whom Mary had committed adultery with. His “miracles” were nothing more than cheap magic tricks he learned during his childhood in Egypt (which was known for its magicians). Apollonius and Vespasian did similar things, are they too the “son of God”? Also, the resurrection was fake. His teachings are also absurd as he asks you to forgive your enemies even as they abuse you and to reject the material world.

Hail Zeus, Athena, Apollo, and all the other gods of Olympus

>>17948480
I consider Muslims and atheists to be just as barbarous as Christians and Jews.

I denounce the Talmud, the Bible, and the Quran

1. It's not Christlike
2. Romans, Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians, etc, were actually cool and not worth being smashed by Christian and especially Islamic fanatics

>>17949040
>1. It's not Christlike

Deuteronomy 7:25
>The graven images of their gods you are to burn with fire; you shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, nor take it for yourselves, or you will be snared by it, for it is an abomination to the Lord your God.
Psalm 115:4–8
>Their idols are silver and gold,
>the work of human hands.
>They have mouths, but do not speak;
>eyes, but do not see.
>They have ears, but do not hear;
>noses, but do not smell.
>They have hands, but do not feel;
>feet, but do not walk;
>and they do not make a sound in their throat.
>Those who make them become like them;
>so do all who trust in them

Jonah 2:8–9
Those who pay regard to vain idols
forsake their hope of steadfast love.
But I with the voice of thanksgiving
will sacrifice to you;
what I have vowed I will pay.
Salvation belongs to the LORD!
>Romans, Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians, etc, were actually cool
Idolatry is not cool, anon.

>>17949055
None of these are Jesus btw

>>17949058
You think Jesus disagreed with Deuteronomy, the Psalms, or Jonah?
>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:7

>>17949065
Now try the non-Jewish gospel.

>>17949067
You think the non-Jewish gospel is okay with idolatry? Not even Gnostics were fine with it.

>>17949072
Jesus professed that idolatry was a problem of the heart, servitude and worship, not depictions in themselves

>>17948993
Considering that the pagans were brutally crushed, I'm on the side of the Abrahamics. Go and ask Odin or Zeus why did they let Abrahamics to destroy their temples and kill their followers.

>>17949080
>Jesus professed that idolatry was a problem of the heart, servitude and worship
Source?
Last time I checked Jesus affirmed the Ten Commandments, which include:
>Thou shalt not make unto themelves any graven image.

>>17949072
>>17949080
And to be clear when I say non-Jewish gospel I specifically mean that Matthew was speaking to Jews, and thus put emphasis on Jesus' relationship to the Old Testament, which you quoted earlier.

In other words, this obsession with idolatry is Jewish and not actually Christlike.

>>17949084
>Jewish and not actually Christlike.
What ethnicity was Jesus again?

>>17949083
My source is the Bible and Jesus' teachings.

Jesus didn't make any explicit comments about icons or statues but he made it very clear in many passages that faith and worship comes from the heart, and that idolatry is committed at that level, not simply by depicting things and people. Keep in mind this is a mainstream belief, considering most churches accept icons and other works of art.

Just like he doesn't denounce Caesar's money outright he probably wouldn't denounce icons or statues outright. I think that passage is the closest thing you'll get to an actual statement on icons.

I'll add that understanding the distinction Jesus is making here is very crucial to the Christian faith. Legalistic, theological and material obsession is exactly what he professed against and what he attempted to hold the leaders of Israel accountable for.

>>17949083
There is nothing in Jesus' message that suggests chimping out against material depictions.

>>17949090
The modern term Jewish refers to people who rejected Christ and his teachings.

>>17949111
>80% of the world is jewish

>>17949111
>My source is the Bible and Jesus' teachings.
Great, then you should be able to cite me the verse in which Jesus says idolatry is just a problem of the heart, easily.

>>17949129
Read the Bible

>>17949135
I already have, which is why I know idolatry is one of the worst sins, and Jesus was in full agreement with the OT.

>>17949138
I haven't questioned idolatry, I've questioned the idolatrous behavior of chimping out against depictions

>>17949143
>I've questioned the idolatrous behavior of chimping out against depictions

>Destroying idols is idolatrous behavior.
Lul.

>>17949158
No offense but are you Middle Eastern?

>>17949159
No.

>>17949175
Not him but iconoclasm is a tendency among Muslims and was a controversy in ye olden days among Christians. That's why you see mosques decorated very simply, with patterns and writing maybe on the walls maybe but usually no depictions of humans or non-human animals. Definitely no depictions of Allah, or even their Prophet. Some Protestants share similar views, and their churches might only feature a cross (not crucifix).

>>17949417
>Not him but iconoclasm is a tendency among Muslims and was a controversy in ye olden days among Christians.
Depends on what you mean by in "ye olden days". Christians have been making images of Jesus all the way back since the catacombs in the 2nd and 3rd century. The iconoclast controversy only happened until the 700s, CENTURIES after. So iconoclasm happened quite late in the history of Christianity, and it was deemed a heresy by both Catholics and Orthodox.

>>17949511
Yeah but Catholics definitely and probably Orthodox engage in officially sanctioned idolatry, praying to dead humans and angels. Once the local Catholic church brought a golden idol purportedly containing Pope JPII's blood to the parish and everyone worshipped it. Looking back it was fucking weird.

>if pagans were to take over Christian societies they'd destroy everything Christians have built.
not at all. I am more interested in appropriation than destruction. Picrel would make a fine Shrine to Mars or perhaps Mercury

>>17949525
>worshiping the blood of an epstein associate

>>17948479 (OP)
>Maybe they should just simply accept that destroying the material culture of your enemies is normal,
That's barbaric and pagans are suppossed to be barbaric.

You are not better than muslims, they think it's ok to destroy anything pre-islamic too.

>>17948479 (OP)
The thing you neglect to mention is that the Christians destroying Pagan monuments were not some foreign invaders taking spoils, they were people who converted to Christianity and willingly engaged in destroying their own history. It was an act of cultural self-harm.

>>17948479 (OP)
>tradcath larper gloating about some random jew puppet defacing art 1500 years ago
brown behaviour, brown religion

>>17948479 (OP)
most serious pagans are general european enthusiasts. I think Tom Rowsell got married in an anglican church despite not being christian. Pagans would preserve christian monuments and temples and just repurpose them to be pagan. Even medieval pagans would do this. Everyone is doing the sign of the cross now due to the advent of christianity? Fuck it, how about we just say it's the sign of the Hammer of Thor instead and call it a day. Everyone is wearing crucifixes now? Well shit, how about we just retcon Thor's Hammer into a cross shape so we can say that crucifixes are icons of Thor.

>>17948479 (OP)
same today as then

>>17948479 (OP)
The main thing to consider is that among ancient peoples, there was typically the idea that foreign deities were just the same deities but with different cultural interpretations. To deface a foreign deity, under most circumstances, would be just as disrespectful to one's own version of that deity. Jews and Christians were the only ones that outright refused to accept this general worldview because their desert cults demanded exclusivity. The Romans and their treatment of Christians was quite tame, even when they didn't cooperate, and they punished them accordingly. It was only after Christians gained power that the rights of the traditionally religious were eroded until they were outright banned and forcefully converted, which led to the medieval eras, in which Christians would go around killing their fellow Europeans if they didn't convert to an offshoot cult of Judaism, and would constantly in-fight with the other Abrahamic religions. In comparison, the Romans only ever outright destroyed other peoples' religions and cultures when they were explicitly evil, like the Carthaginians' child sacrifice.

>>17949990
most early christians were jews tho

yo if i didnt sell those drugs to those kids, some other guy would do it
at least with me you know they are getting the clean stuff

>mag dumps the drug dealer

>>17948508
kek, what a retard he is

at least the pagans didn't claim some bulshit prophesy that still hasn't happened after 2 millenia

I love how everybody acting nerdy and charismatic in a human fat smelling website

>>17948479 (OP)
>Maybe they should just simply accept that destroying the material culture of your enemies is normal, standard behavior when it comes to civilizational clashes