Thread 17948558

Why did Britain relinquish global leadership to the United States after WWII? What made them willing to lose their influence? Was there a hidden agreement between the two powers to orchestrate this transfer of authority?

>>17948558 (OP)
Bankruptcy. WWII exhausted the treasury, and Britain couldn't afford to maintain its empire anymore.
Specifically, Britain was heavily indebted to the United States. Unlike other US allies, it was never granted debt relief, and it would be 2006 before the debt was paid off.

>>17948590
This and the U.S. rebuilt West Europe through the Marshall Plan, firmly cementing America as the new hegemon. Britain wasn't in a state to throw around $15 billion in economic aid after all.

>>17948558 (OP)
>why
because britain is a tiny island

You make it sound like they had a choice. WW2 had materially exhausted Britain. They absolutely needed US support in Europe to maintain the fragile new order there, because Britain was in no condition to go up against the USSR or to wrangle continentals by themselves.

So when the US made one of its conditions for wading into European affairs an end to Empire, Britain had basically no options left.

They sold their empire so they could preserve their empire

lol

>>17948558 (OP)
>willing to lose their influence?

copest of copes

>>17948558 (OP)
They sacrificed it for Poland :)

>>17948837
Are the English allowed to fly English flags in England?

>>17948558 (OP)
The World Bank was moved from England to the United States in return for performing a humiliation ritual (The Federal Reserve), after WW1. After WW2 FDR forcibly seizing Americans privately owned gold completed the ritual, and England was forced to concede entirely. There was lots of stuff going on and the Brits held on but the economies and debt slips were just so different. They tried making us follow all thier stupid war plans in Europe too until we just bulled in and made them follow.

>>17949006
the current english flag is a rented genoese flag, they waved it on their ships to mimicry ligurian gigachad crusaders and paid tribute for using it. since they abandoned christianity they should revert to three lions

>>17948558 (OP)
Because Britain is a tiny island
>>17948744
>because britain is a tiny island

Britain literally sacrificed their entire empire and wealth, just to prevent a German ethno-state from existing

>>17949133
Would Germany have treated England like it little ragdoll it it had taken over europe?

There was no hidden conspiratorial agreement, Britain did it to stabilize Europe.

>>17949133
>>17948892
based
>>17949137
They would do worse, although for most modern british neonazis it's probably more like a wet dream

>>17949622
cuck fiction is so obvious that it's baffling that people even try to use it as real evidence

>>17948558 (OP)
You think that they had a choice? Lmao

>>17948558 (OP)
England is the third largest Germanic country
America is the largest and Germany is the second largest
Realistically England was going to end up either as Germany's bitch or America's bitch
They didn't want to eat bratwurst so they went for the curry and kebab root

>>17948558 (OP)
Because Churchill was a half-American and therefore had dual loyalty. Any other answer is cope

Bomp

>>17949133
It was always British policy to oppose a European hegemony. There was nothing exceptional in the policy towards Germany.

>>17952147
>oppose European hegemony
Germany wasnt a European hegemony nor were they on the path to becoming a hegemony.
Germany in 1939 was a balance against the USSR.
Germany in 1940 with France out was still a balance to the USSR.
Britain never actually fought the USSR an actual European hegemon that came to govern half of Europe with an iron grip
>uhhh thats Hitler's fault
no its not but that isnt the point, the point is the "oppose European hegemony" is a post-hoc justification to explain Britain's irrationality.
>NO THEY WERENT IRRATIONAL
Britain gained nothing from the war, Britain lost their remaining treasury and power projection post war, the British high command pointed this out in 1939 AND in 1932 when they abolished the Ten Year Rule. Britain's political leadership went AGAINST their military command.
You didnt know this until now because I didnt know this until last week.
Now you are going to pretend like you knew of this all along and "erm here's why chudjak is wrong akshually and Britian was totally rational for becoming a third world tier satellite state poorer than Mississippi"

The policy against Germany was ENTIRELY anomalous considering the circumstances.

>>17952147
in 80 years people will say "heres why America wasnt controlled by jews and becoming a backward brown third world tier shithole was actually rational and in America's interests"

>>17952157
>Germany wasnt a European hegemony nor were they on the path to becoming a hegemony.
>somehow managed to occupy most of Europe.

>>17952169
They occupied most of Europe in 1939?
Show us a map of 1939 then

>>17952147
France's lust for power has caused her to repeatedly seek conflict with the rest of Europe. England used to play a neutral role but since 1900 has been exclusively on the side of the French imperialists

>>17952174
Shall I show you the map in 1941, or would it make your head explode?

>>17952147
Why didn't England declare war on France in the 1920s when the French were the clear hegemon of Europe?
Why doesn't England declare war on France today when the French and their vassal-state Belgium are calling the shots in the EU

>>17952206
Explain what European countries other than France were ruled by the French in the 1920s. I'll wait.

>>17952202
Well no one mentioned 1941 so it would be weird if you did show us a map of 1941.
But go ahead, lets compare the size of Germany to the USSR in 1941.

>>17952218
Every country other than Italy was enslaved to France

>>17952219
>actually thinking size is a factor
I guess Britain could never have been powerful since it's so small ...
You really are pioneering new levels of retardation here. Impressive.

>>17952218
Hegemony isnt direct rule, idiot.
The Cordon Sanitare qualifies as a form of hegemony, it is soft power projection centered around the most powerful entity in the coalition.
But since you asked, Belgium, Netherlands, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Lithuania, all showed deference to France because France had the most tanks in Europe by far, the most aircraft in Europe, and the most soldiers in Europe by far.
This was true from 1920-1940.

>>17952222
LOL

>>17952226
>Germany was a hegemony waiting to happen
well so was the Soviet Union, so where was the war against the Soviet Union which actually did become a hegemony for much longer and had a much shorter distance to go from status quo to hegemon status????
Oh right, the British EXCLUSIVELY fought the country their jewish lobby had a problem with.

>>17952232
>During the early stages of World War II, the United Kingdom and France made a series of proposals to send troops to assist Finland against the Soviet Union during the Winter War, which started on 30 November 1939. The plans involved the transit of British and French troops and equipment through neutral Norway and Sweden. The initial plans were abandoned because Norway and Sweden declined transit through their land for fear that their countries would be drawn into the war. The Moscow Peace Treaty ended the Winter War in March 1940, which precluded the possibility of intervention.

>>17952194
>France's lust for power has caused her to repeatedly seek conflict with the rest of Europe.
Like in 1870, 1914 and 1940?

>>17952232
>heh oh yeah then why didn't do (something that actually happened)
historically illiterate /pol/niggers are the worst posters on this board. churchill fucking started the cold war.

>>17952402
>Britain declared war on the USSR
when?
>>17952364
and yet no war occurred, and yet the Soviets invaded Poland and Britain delivered no ultimatum.
>b-b-but they wanted to
well they didnt, so we can established the British CAN go against their ostensible interest which makes it all the more strange why they would go after Germany when that war cost them everything.

>>17952382
Yeah

>>17952421
>doesn't even know what i'm talking about
You faggots aren't here to discuss history, you're here to push an ideology. You obviously have no interest in the subject when you lack basic knowledge.

>>17952423
Projection.
YOURE here to push ideology that is why you have a bizarre obsessing with narrative guarding.
>basic knowledge
of what? What are you even talking about?
I am talking about Britain not actually opposing the USSR like they did to Germany despite the USSR being a much stronger force in Europe than Germany in every year from 1920 onward.
If Britian didnt prioritize the USSR, then either they are irrational or their foreign policy wasnt actually about opposing hegemon contenders.

>>17952402
Churchill did not start the cold war, Attlee and Truman did.
Churchill was buddy buddy with Stalin up until he got booted out of power, then suddenly became a devout anti-communist so he could criticize Attlee and the Labour party.
BTW it was Churchill, not Roosevelt, who sold Eastern Europe to the Soviets

>>17952437
>dude what? iron huh? wtf churchill never said anything about the soviets the discord that groomed me never said anything about that
blow your brains out please thanks

>>17952437
>what is the Cold War?
God you people are retarded.

>>17949006
The English ethnic group voted time and time again, for decades, specifically FOR mass-immigration, starting with the Windrush/Nationality Act of 1948 under the Labour government of Clement Attlee. English voters knew what they wanted, they voted for it, and they got it good and hard. They have zero room for complaint for the consequences of their own choices.

>>17952546
England is a two party system just like America. They don't really have a choice
It's the French who have no excuse

>>17952493
Not an actual war and it didnt begin in 1939.
>>17952445
>discord grooming
this is actual projection.

>>17952232
>well so was the Soviet Union,
How specifically?

>>17952754
>Just overwhelm yourself with 2 giant enemies bro
Wow you really are retarded. You finish one adversary first then you move onto the next one which Britian did.
>Cold War didn't exist because guns were never fired.
>This means the British were 100% in support of the Soviet Union
Again. You are a retard.

>>17952582
This, even though it's starting to break down at the moment for pretty much every election since universal suffrage in the UK the British voters choice boiled down to
>Labour: Mass Migration is good for us! Also here's some leftist economic stuff that we clearly care less and less about every election cycle.
>Conservative: You know, mass migration might not be all that great. We're not going to do anything about it, other than occasionally speculating that it might not be entirely perfect, though. Also we're fucking over everyone who wasn't born wealthy. Don't worry about it.
>Remove your vote from contention by voting for another party, basically a wasted trip to the polling station, but you're going to be infuriatingly smug and condescending about it, most likely reinforcing the two party system you claim to oppose.

>>17952441
>where were the lines in 1944?
your discord wouldn't want you to know the answer

* after ww1

>>17952228
Hegemony means that you can enforce your political will on others, by military or economic or both.
Britain had a hegemony because states like Spain and turkey completely depended on British trade which was a major reason why they rejected axis allegiance. France wanted to move on Germany during the remilitarization of the Rhineland and during the Sudeten crisis but couldn't unless they were backed by Britain, and Britain said no.
These are both clear indications thst Britain was the hegemony and not France.
Not to mention, Britain canceled their military alliance with France and began advocating for German recover through the Young Plan, using British and American loans while heavily lowering German debt, despite French objections.
This is im direct contrast to your narrative that Britain what always been anti-German, or that France was the hegemony.

Most historians attributes the 'official' beginning of the American hegemony with the Suez crisis because it was when Britain was forced under pressure to back down from its own national interests

>>17949133
What a blatant lie

Central banking tribe have a new golem to brutalize the world with