Thread 17949068

Why did you stop believing in God?

>>17949068 (OP)
i became enlightened by my own intelligence

>>17949078
Such euphoria.

>>17949078
>>17949086
>>17949086
I wasn't asking as a joke.

Darwin had better arguments and proofs for the origin of life.

>>17949102
What does the origin of life have to do with the existence of God?

>>17949068 (OP)
I lived in kibutz

>>17949106
Well..evolution proved in an objective way that you dont need a creator to create life. The laws of physics and chemestry can do that for you.

>>17949113
>Well..evolution proved in an objective way that you dont need a creator to create life.
It hasn't though. Evolution aims to explain how complex life came about, not with the actual origin of life. But even if that were the case and abiogenesis were true, that would still have nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of God.

So I ask you again, what does the origin of life have to do with God? Why did that specifically make you stop believing in God? I believe in both God and evolution, so you just sound weird to me.

It's too easy to dissect the psychology behind the myths and realize they're morality tales then the magic is gone. Not that they aren't useful to meditate on but there's no justification to literally "believe" in them any more than The Boy Who Cried Wolf just because it's a useful story, and someone who did insist upon death that something like The Boy Who Cried Wolf literally happened would be a retard.

>>17949113
But aren't your creators physics and chemistry?
Who created them?
Yes, we will be like this today.

>>17949125
>It's too easy to dissect the psychology behind the myths and realize they're morality tales then the magic is gone.
What do myths and psychology have to do with the existence of God?

>>17949132
What reference do you have for God if not through christian myth?

>>17949131
>Who created them?
Don't know. Don't need jewish mythology to cope with the ignorance.

>>17949139
Literally shitloads? The Christian understanding of God is one of many, such as deism, narutal theology, pantheism, panentheism, omnitheism, etc.

>>17949124
Theres is no tangibile argument, or a piece of small empirical evidence that any type of God is real.
All you have is just some word salad from philosophy, which it will take somebody a master in philosophy only to understand the word salad and rebuke it.
Even if you prove god in some bullshit argument, youre gonna have to prove further that is the god of the bible or koran or zeus.
Atheists at least have better arguments, theists have 0.
You have no argument and you know it.
Thats why I dont believe in Gods anymore.
There is no supernatural, no supernatural magic, its all just mediveal peasant spooky stories.

>>17949149
>Theres is no tangibile argument, or a piece of small empirical evidence that any type of God is real.
There are quite a few philosophical arguments which make the belief in God at least plausible, on top of the fact that attributing the existence of the universe to a single creative force just makes sense to me, it checks out. I can just look out my window and clearly see design and intelligence behind everything, not random chaos.

So this thread wasn't even a genuine attempt to understand atheists and was just a facade to start yet another argument? Deists are literally jews.

>>17949152
It doesnt matter what you see outside retard. Your opinion doesnt matter.
The only thing that matters is what can you prove empirically. People want evidence, people want real shit. Especially in this day and age.

>>17949152
>the universe to a single creative force just makes sense to me
Oh, God proven then. I'm getting baptized first thing Sunday.

>>17949160
How about theistic arguments coming from a pagan? Would that be more palatable to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL__XolIlIY

>>17949162
>Oh, God proven then.
You can go over the arguments on your own, in fact it would be more beneficial for you to go over them on your own.
>I'm getting baptized first thing Sunday.
I'm not a Christian, I'm a theist, so I don't care if you get baptized or not, or even if you remain an atheist or not. I'm just annoyed that alot of people justify their atheism with things that have jack shit to do with the existence of God.

>>17949113
not even close. you were looking an excuse way before you found physics and chemistry, or you never believed at all and now are just polluting the discussion

>>17949165
Which God is that retard trying to prove? Some kind of deistic God?
Even if some kind of deistic God exists, we have no divine revelation from it.
The deistic God doest give a flying fuck about the world.

>>17949068 (OP)
>who were formerly religious

they are not here, these are all just pagan larpers who hate church because grandma took them out of bed on sunday morning and forced them to go to the mass, and all they wanted was stay at home and watch teletubbies. that's how shallow this whole issue is

>>17949179
>Even if some kind of deistic God exists, we have no divine revelation from it.
>The deistic God doest give a flying fuck about the world.
Why do we need a revelation from God? You claim to be an atheist but you're still thinking like a fucking Christian for some reason.

>>17949179
>The deistic God doest give a flying fuck about the world.
Why does he have to?

>>17949181
I actually have fond memories of going to church with my mawmaw. Every hunting season my cousin and I would spend the weekends at my grandparent's house and she would take us to mass Sunday morning. God still isn't real. Cope and dilate about it.

>>17949181
Ad hominem is the only way Chr*stians know how to argue. They never mentally matured past high school age.

>>17949185
>>17949191
So basically your idea of god is just an emotional feeling you have based on nothing at all. Okay???? What is this thread and why should anyone care? You've just arbitrarily decided you're correct.

>>17949113
>evolution proved in an objective way that you dont need a creator to create life
Evolution proved one living being evolves from another. How living beings come about is a question of abiogenesis and to this day it has not been resolved.

>>17949149
>>17949160
>Theres is no tangibile argument, or a piece of small empirical evidence that any type of God is real.
Contingency argument is tangible although people often jump the gun trying to understand it. Witness testimonies are "small" (your criteria) empirical evience.
>Atheists at least have better arguments
Like what? What I hear from most atheists is a complaint that God doesn't conform to their post-Christian ethics.

>>17949185
>Why do we need a revelation from God?
You need revelation to know its nature retard. Otherwise it doesnt matter if it exists. It doesnt interact with us.
Its just like it doesnt even exist.

>>17949197
https://youtu.be/5ZCgbGgA-_8?feature=shared

>>17949202
>So basically your idea of god is just an emotional feeling you have based on nothing at all.
No? I've gone over the arguments myself, and they make sense, it has nothing to do with emotion.
>>17949204
You need revelation to know its nature retard.
LOL absolutely not, we can use reason to infer things about God. Have you never heard of natural theology?
>Otherwise it doesnt matter if it exists. It doesnt interact with us.
>Its just like it doesnt even exist.
What COLOSSAL narcissism is this? You're not the center of the fucking universe, faggot. Just becase God doesn't interact with you doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. God doesn't need to be of any "use" for you in order for him to exist. GTFO.

>>17949203
>What I hear from most atheists is a complaint that God doesn't conform to their post-Christian ethics.
This entire website for the last 10 years has just been a cry that we need to believe in Jesus or the libtards win.

>>17949208
>I've gone over the arguments myself, and they make sense
And your arguments are nothing more than "I feel this is right''.

>>17949211
And that is silly. Am I to understand that atheistic arguments are of the same overall quality?

I learnt about the horror of being conscious. You would not know, as you're barely self aware.
Listen to the title song of the album, mind the lyrics, it's a start. But you havent witnessed what I have.
Some people, which includes myself, are rather aware of what hides behind a coating of normalcy. And I don't mean religitard or conspiracy nutting.
I mean actual having seen the things themselves.
Some decades ago an experiment was run, and by an experiment I mean a seriously dedicated series of testing and probing. Truth be told, a dimensional gate was pried open.
You're taking this with a grandious skepticism, I wager, but I have seen some of the creatures.
Think science not wizardry.

>>17949217
>And your arguments are nothing more than "I feel this is right''.
No? Nothing to do with emotion. I've said that the existence of a creator God makes sense to me on a fundamental level, but that's not the end of it. There's natural theology, the Kalam, Aquinas' five ways, presuppositionalism, etc.

>>17949218
No, because an atheist will likely say that the study of geologic time alone contradicts Biblical thought and not that he craves buttsex.

I just kinda drifted away from being religious once I joined army and was away from my very religious family. Never went back to it once I got home and shortly after moved out to college.
I'm not sure if I ever even was religious or if it was just a social habit.

>>17949230
Damn, you sound like an NPC.

>>17949223
I hate philbros so much is unreal.
>God is real bro, in order to make sense to you, you have to have a phd in Philosophy like me.
>farts
>inhales
>I smell good.

>>17949181
It's really disingenuous how this kind of hypothetical is always used to mock atheists. Yes, it is in fact bad thing to be forced to participate in something nonsensical.
>YOU DON'T WANT TO COME TO THE STRUGGLE SESSIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST AN INCEL CHUD LOL

>>17949235
>Anti-intellectual atheist.
Now I have trully seen it all....

Also you don't need a fucking Ph.D. to study theistic arguments, you can just read papers online, or listen to philosophical courses on YouTube going over each argument, or reading books on theism.

Holy shit you're a retard.

>>17949235
Did you even read his reply?

>>17949232
This is OP by the way. This was not a thread made in earnest. It's just a flame war further illustrating why theists are cancer.

>>17949244
k

>>17949241
>>Anti-intellectual atheist.
Can't see God so he ain't there. Simple as. All you can do is pull your hair out coping with philosophy.

>>17949248
>If I can't see it it's not real!
>Literal toddler mentality.

>>17949248
>Can't see God so he ain't there. Simple as.
Holy based.
I kneel.
Pic not related.

>>17949252
>God is a state of mind

>>17949244
I am the OP. I haven't made a single post in the thread other than the OP

>>17949252
Hes right though.
God doesnt have be hidden you stupid mongloid.

>>17949262
>God doesnt have be hidden
Neither does he have to be visible to all, you massive retard.

>>17949264
So if its not visible then it doesnt exist.
I won.

>>17949248
People like this exist. They just don't identify as 'atheists'. They kind of just exist parallel to religious beliefs in most cases.

>>17949266
>So if its not visible then it doesnt exist.
I take it that you've never heard of atoms, or dark matter, or gravity, or black holes?

>>17949270
We can see atoms, we dont know what dark matter is, and if im not mistaken they took a photo of a black hole years ago.
Pic related is gold atoms.
Youre stupid. Take your phd and wipe you ass with it.

>>17949068 (OP)
I was Atheist. I think I was Christian like till age of 8 then become agnostic desu becoz of secular value. Then I transitioned to Atheism in teenage. Though at end of high school i become theist due to how harsh was life and god was comforting to me. I am orthodox christian now.
> I still think my Atheist phase because I learnt a lot . It for me was due to idea of hell and bs that churches said. Like anime is Demonic, videogame is Demonic etc.
> I think most Atheist are Atheist due to churches and stuff. My parents were chill but have gotten excuses to make me study lol. I hate it
Biggest moral lesson i learned: don't force stupid ban in name of religion

>>17949275
>We can see atoms
What about when we couldn't, did they not exist?

What exactly is the point of arguing for God without any tradition, revelation, myths, ethics, laws, community, or anything? You're just debating why your favorite color is blue.

>>17949269
Honestly I envy them. A purer atheism than mine. Completely doubtless. Thoughtless. Unconscious.
The certainty of an animal.

>>17949102
Drawin didn't prove origin of life but he talked about evolution. Origin of life uk right still most debated topic. We don't know how it happen still. We just have theories

>>17949279
>What exactly is the point of arguing for God without any tradition, revelation, myths, ethics, laws, community, or anything?
For the sake of acquiring truth about the universe? The search for knowledge doesn't need any more justification besides that. God doesn't need to fulfill some sort of utilitarian purpose to us, just like a black hole can just, you know, exist, without it being beneficial to us in any way.

>>17949068 (OP)
I still believe in God, i just hate christgolems and christkikery because its a disgusting, evil jew worshiping cult. I’ve never met more stupid, evil and disingenuous people than christgolems.

>>17949113
I didn't buddy origin of life is still debated. Evolution tell how organism change with environment and other factors to survive but how first life evolved and other things is mystery

>>17949125
Tbh you got valid reason . But still don't answer say God exists or not lol. It is good argument against religion though

>>17949284
And what will you do with the truth that blue is the best color?

>>17949223
>Kalam, Aquinas' five ways, presuppositionalism, etc.
All of those have been refuted

>>17949311
Paint everything blue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc

>>17949313
Every time I've seen an internet atheist claim that they've "refuted" Aquina's five ways, the Kalaam, or presupositionalism, it's just them arguing that none of those arguments prove the Christian God correct. Which I am fine with.

>>17949323
You worship the Jewish god though? Isn't that the point of having the Old Testament aka the Hebrew Bible in your Bible?

Remember to bless Israel today so your god will bless you. Maybe after a sneeze?

>>17949347
>You worship the Jewish god though?
No? I've already said I'm just a theist, not a Christian or a Jew.

>>17949357
There is no mind or consciousness or whatever the fuck you philbros called it these day, that made this universe.
Youre just coping. Probably you were a christfag when you were younger, and you cant let Santa Clauss go. You hold on to these philbro arguments that are divorced from reality.

>>17949365
>There is no mind or consciousness or whatever the fuck you philbros called it these day, that made this universe.
I take it that you've never heard of simulation theory?
>Probably you were a christfag when you were younger, and you cant let Santa Clauss go.
Nope, I was raised secular.

>>17949371
>I take it that you've never heard of simulation theory
Again..you hold on these "theories" without any empirical proof.
You cope hard philbro. You need to let this shit go. Its over. After we die it will just like before we were born.

>>17949389
>Again..you hold on these "theories" without any empirical proof.
Motherfucker you've NEVER in your life bothered to make even 5 minutes of research on how these theories are justified.

>>17949422
You sound angry, its okay. We all had to go through this brute fact of reality. It will get better.
Its over. Let it go.

Some people just don't think God answers their prayers.

>>17949435
Why should he?

>>17949443
You keep continuously subtracting all traits which make God a god, you're reducing it to such that it might as well just be a force like gravity. I swear, if this continues on you're just going to spitefully ask why should God be intelligent.

>>17949244
Well, to be honest, there's nothing that stops you from creationist point of view, even if you're doing physics phd. Actually it makes you think about it more, lol.
Modern critique of religion lies more in the field of "If such a powerful, transcendental begin exists, why does it even care about some meatbags floating on a lonely rock in the middle of nowhere?"

>>17949284
Well, the problem is, that in pursuit of knowledge you're trying to use outdated tools. Magical thinking is an outdated method of cognition. It has been proven times and times to be much less effective than scientific method.

>>17950007
>It has been proven times and times to be much less effective than scientific method.
It has also been proven time and time again to be present even in Western subjects who deny having it. If your built-in cognition is an "outdated" tool in a search for reality, one has to wonder what kind of reality you're searching for.

>>17949068 (OP)
There is no point asking gaytheists why they “stopped believing”. They never believed in the first place. What they did do was decide that they hate God because he makes them feel guilty about the sin they love so much. Of course, they know how deranged that would sound to most people, so they lie and posture, pretending like they made some cold rational calculation. Nevermind the fact that they think their grandfather was a fish and that the universe used to fit into a golf ball. “People” like this make me glad that Hell exists. They fully deserve it,

>>17949078

I know what you are referencing...

>>17949068 (OP)
Because I am gay and I like big cock in the butthole
hail gaytan

>>17950019
Enjoy having the genes that made you retarded naturally selected out of the human population at some point in the distant future if we're lucky.

...Nope, it just doesn't have the same ring as "Enjoy Hell." Guess I'll have to give up my atheism until further notice.

>>17950049
TENS isn’t real, I attend an Ivy League school, and I’m taller and better looking than you. Tick tock.

>>17950023
keyed

>>17949068 (OP)
seemed all the smart people who made all the $$ were evil

>>17949124
I thought two men fucking was ok.

>>17949099
The thing is jokes are funny. Theist to atheist pipelines are just sad.

>>17950019
>they hate god!!!
>my god in particular
>the three gods who are actually one god!

Do you hate Zeus? You don't believe in him right, therefore you must hate him? Was Socrates a "gaytheist" for questioning the Greek Pantheon?

If you blindly accept whatever religion your parents indoctrinated you with, you'd be a different religion if born to parents of a different faith. If you put in the time and researched world religions and THEN came to the conclusion that heckin' Jehovah's Witnesses or whatever you were raised as was correct, that's cool. But you'd probably be a Muslim in a Muslim country, crying about how the atheists don't believe in Allah.

>>17949068 (OP)
I grew up vaguely religious
Then I had bad upbringing
Then I self isolated
Then I dissociated as a hobby
Then I got into Philosophy
Then I got a BA in it
Then I *almost* went full christian but I couldn't connect to my Christian peers due to part 3
Then I started going crazy and read mystics
At this point I was spiritual
Then I met crazy people and did crazy things with them
Then something bad happened and they tried to kill me
Then I stopped dissociating for fun as much
At this point I was agnostic
Then I argued with Christians constantly
At this point I became atheist

This all spanned around 15-20 years of my life. Hope that helps.

>>17949068 (OP)
I stopped being religious when I realized that there are over 10,000 religions out there which kind of makes committing yourself to one kind of insane if you think about it, let alone asserting that only your religion is the "correct" one. I dunno, to me it's less of a headache to just leave God to speculation, and just focus on naturalism in the meantime. It doesn't mean that there can't still be a God, just that it's unlikely it's the God of any particular religion.

>>17949068 (OP)E
Extremely abusive Christian fundamentalist parents and a Christian school where my name was basically "faggot"; taught me all I need to know about those honorless slime.

If anyone is burning in hell it's those honorless fucking retards. They're wrong and honorless on every level. And now they're turning the US into history's dumbest brand of fascism.

It's a shame the Romans didn't dispose of you all. Truly valueless humans.

All someone needs to say is that they're Christian and you can write them entirely off as rotten in every way.

I hate you idiots with such a fervor that long after I'm dead my hate will boil the oceans.

>>17950287
Have fun burning, rat.

>>17950458
>Being taught Jesus loves me is extreme abuse
Enjoy AIDS, faggot.

>>17950817
>>17950819
Nice ad hominems.

>>17950817
You know the fate of random anonymous posters in the afterlife? Wow, you must be a prophet or something.

>>17950819
For millenia, it was assumed that Christians were a more morally righteous segment of our society. They were put upon a pedestal.

But they've always been the same dimwitted tribal trash that they are today.

When society wakes up to you retards, it will be over for you.

And here's the thing, you think that feeble orange dimwit in the whitehouse will let you have your way in society.... but the world is fed up with you nonsentient primitives.

There will be a day of reckoning for you people. Your magical flying jew fat is not gonna save you or justify you. Your retardation is no longer cute or amusing. EVentually you'll pay for having a child-like mind.

Christ cattle deserve to suffer *EXACTLY* as much as they pretend they do.

You've never known persecution, but you will soon enough.

Also, you child-minded dimwits don't belong in a history forum, a place for learned men. You need that echo-chamber for morons who effectively have no better than a 1st grade understanding of the world.