Thread 17950928

how did ideas like aggressive militarization, industrialization, strict hierarchy, expansionism, and ethno-cultural unity merge into what we today label as fascism? At the time, did people actually use the term fascism, or was it called something else?

>>17950928 (OP)
All of those things are still around, maybe more aggressive then ever. It's just that your masters thinks it's better that you're a harmless faggot than military-capable in peacetime. That will change soon as states are getting more nervous.

>>17950928 (OP)
It's the Italian word for faggot. A symbol even Americans used to like until Mussolini started using it. You have google? You search first? You profile farming? You make thread 5 people argue over for 10 or so posts? Good work. It's a symbol of Vincent Rome, but also many cultures in Asia and Europe, cool ones usually.

>>17950928 (OP)
It’s a direct consequence of WWI upending European society and all these troops coming back home with untreated shell shock to see their nation suffer from riots, breadlines and economic ruin. It’s a grasping for order in a frightening new world

>>17950928 (OP)
>aggressive militarization, industrialization, strict hierarchy, expansionism, and ethno-cultural unity
All these apply to communism as well though

>>17950974
>it's hard to believe such things happen after losing wars famine and revolutions.

>>17950928 (OP)
The Italian fascists called themselves fascists. It comes from "fascio" which means league/group and political groups in Italy would use the term. The fascists began as the "Italian Combat Leagues" (or Fasci Italiani di Combattimento) which was a paramilitary war veterans group. Taken literally it can mean something like League-ism or Unity-ism. The vibe is all about unity, like in that poster, you see the fist closed around the sword. The individual fingers are stronger as a closed fist. The bundle of rods from the ancient Roman fasces are bound up together. It appealed to nationalistic Rambos who were hardened by their experiences on the front during World War I.

As to the "how," the hardening experiences of World War I. And also coupled with rapid economic change / industrialization that was going on. Europe was undergoing the transition from a horse-drawn to horsepower civilization. Rapid social change can often produce new divisions in society which appears like a bunch of different groups that are hostile to each other. So the fasicsts were all about unity. Everyone is going to serve the nation. The Italian fascists saw themselves as modernizers and were enthralled by technology like the airplane, but Italy as a single nation was a relatively new concept. The regional dialects there can almost be like different languages.

Also you can see how this would be appealing to soldiers and a war-like context. In the military, everyone has a place to be and a job to do:
https://youtu.be/TryfqARSEd4

>>17950974
To be fair, Communism was about supplanting the old hierarchy with loyalty to the party and ethnic chauvinism was not the same thing as the ethno-nationalism of fascism

Op here. I really want to understand how all these ideas ended up grouped together as fascism. I’m not trying to start a thread about whether it’s good or bad, but rather to grasp the historical realities that made Europeans more inclined to adopt these seemingly unrelated concepts compared to American society.
>>17950936
How so? Even in recent wars in Vietnam or the Middle East, Americans were fighting over ideology, not trying to take land and displace the local population like a lebensraum project. Besides much of Afghanistan is harsh mountains and desert, why would anyone want to live there permanently except the locals?

>>17950994
1:lose war
2:starve
3:start calling yourself facsist.

>>17950936
In the age of nucelar weapons, fascism and Ultra-Nationalism are rightfully seen as huge risks. There would be more fascism today if nuclear weapons weren't a factor but it's a huge deterrence for anyone trying to create some kind of empire.

>>17950994
>rather to grasp the historical realities that made Europeans more inclined to adopt these seemingly unrelated concepts compared to American society.
There wasn't as much of a tradition of political liberalism. The basic structure was in place (representative parliaments, constitutions) and there were people who called themselves liberals, but these structures were weaker. It was different in the U.S., Britain and France which had either undergone revolutions much earlier or, like, Britain, was very good at reforming its social structure to more or less have the same effect. Once fascists leaped beyond ex-soldiers, it had strong appeal among the middle classes in Italy like farmers and shopkeepers who didn't like the accelerating changes that were going on, and didn't like big business, but didn't like the labor-socialism of the left either (especially in its more radical, internationalist forms). They considered themselves patriotic, "support our troops" types who liked the idea of unity and order to clean the riff-raff off the streets.

This also isn't an exact comparison, but think about veterans groups in other countries. There's the "Marine Corps League" in the U.S. which is an association for veterans. These are not "fascists" and they don't go out and bust heads, they just go on hikes and raise money for wounded vetarans, but it was basically guys like that who were in the Blackshirts.

The Blackshirts modeled their style after commando units (and many of them served in those units). You did sort of see this in a LARP version in the U.S. with the Proud Boys who'd wear black shirts and tactical milsurp, although some of them could be military veterans, and some of those guys thought of themselves as fascists in some kind of way. But, the Blackshirts were way better organized and disciplined and military. Nowadays, I think the most likely places you'd see something like that are in Ukraine and Russia.

In Russia, the glowies have created a group called the Russian Community (or Russkaya Obschina, or RO) to absorb returning Rambos and use them to bust heads if they need to. They also wear black t-shirts with the logo. And then in Ukraine you have these guys:
https://youtu.be/EPAP-ubj-c4

>>17951074
https://youtu.be/9vCPsF_O4fc

>>17950987
Fasces = syndicate = trade union. It started off as a movement of nationalist workers, not elites entrenching themselves, but mussolini was forced to compromise to make a government.

>>17951106
Well, it wasn't a trade union or sindacato. It was a paramilitary group structured that way with ranks and a chain a command. Before they were the Italian Combat Leagues, they were the Revolutionary Action Leagues (I'm trying to translate from the Italian) who were pro-war agitators and had at their main stated goal to drag Italy into the war against the Central Powers. This needs better analogies imo like "Angry Patriots" clubs whose problem with the government is that it wasn't hardore enough.

They didn't like established elites either. Mussolini compromised with established elites but they had this thing about veterans as being like a future elite who had "earned" it with blood and sacrifice.

>>17950936
>states are getting more nervous.
They are not, there is already a global elite using states as tax collectors, wealth theft and military/police while making their population work for their companys. Russia is not the enemy of the USA, same with China

>At the time, did people actually use the term fascism, or was it called something else?

It was a made up term the communists came up with if there was any opposition to their ideology. This label was given to Benito Mussolini and he owned it, rather than a word that Benito Mussolini himself came up with.

>>17950928 (OP)
fascism is the way

>>17950928 (OP)
another - this has many details about 1930s politics

The term started to grow in popularity during the 1920s in Italy. There wasn't a similar term used before it.

A tale as old as time.
>Returning Legion and Generals return from war
>arent given their dues and financial security plus there is no reason to keep them around especially the mentally compromised ones
>become unhappy
>they have all the weapons and know how to use them as well as the tact
>Leader proclaims himself the New Emperor and crosses the rubicon
>overthrows the previous emperor and succeeds because the Legion supports him and not the other guy. And the Emperors loyalists dont want a civil war to drag on only to end up in the same situation as the traitor legions in the beginning.
>New Emperor says let's go back to the good ole time boys, this time we'll win cause im in charge and we'll take the world by the balls
>complications happen
>rinse and repeat ad infinite

So Fascism was just the word to use in the pattern recognition. Cause Unga bunga soldier stick together like a fasces, soldiers strong, nation strong because soldier, now gib soldier banana.