Thread 17951584

>Whole deal was telling Jews, "We should go back to the original law of Moses"
>"WOW WHAT AN IDEA LET'S MAKE A BRAND NEW RELIGION OUT OF THIS"

What? Huh?

The alliance between Rome and Jewry dates back to Massinissa, whom the Alexandrian jews named the term "Messiah" in honor of.
When Jesus son of Juba II of the Massylii tried to warn regular Jews about the Herods being an inside job via Rome against Egypt - they psyopped him and his lineages mention in the term "Messiah" to mean something else than a reference to his house's achievement.
Moses, Abraham and Joseph were mutts of the Egyptian Luwian(Levi), Babi(YhWh/Oannes' bastard son) and Nimrod/Zadokite priesthoods.

>>17951584 (OP)
No, His whole deal was telling the Jews
>You all became so autistically legalist about the Covenant that you forgot the true purpose behind any of the laws, instead choosing to use them to your own selfish benefit

>>17951584 (OP)
The "original" law of Moses conceived while in flight from Egypt. Jews are infectious storytellers. The pharisees thought they had all the answers so Jesus rocked them back to a more chaotic and primeval time. Religion is revolution baby

>>17951712
>I follow the rules, God rewards me
That was the bargain. Asking me to *love* the conditions when I have swallowed down my feelings and obeyed them is too much.

>>17951720
>>I follow the rules, God rewards me
Nah, more like
>I find every single possible excuse to avoid following the rules while severely punishing anyone else who doesn't
>Sorry bucko, guess God hates you for being a yucky poor person :^)

>>17951584 (OP)
Christianity tends to not many any sense if you internalize any lie you come across about what it believes

>>17951584 (OP)
>>Whole deal was telling Jews, "We should go back to the original law of Moses"
Lol, no. Not even close.

lol no

>>17951732
It was not that that either

>>17951740
don't lie OT is jewish supremacist saying god shows his love through genocide, rape, material wealth

but then the NT targeted to gentiles suddenly tells you to invert reality and suffer

>>17951791
Read about Job and David get back to me kid

>>17951584 (OP)
quite the opposite: whole deal was telling jews their customs and barbaric and outdated, that they should abandon bronze-era patron dieties and a tribe-based society and have a new covenant with a ONE TRUE god instead

>>17951824
Jesus constantly referred to David, Jacob, and Moses. Where are you getting that he told the Jews to abandon them?

>>17951827
It is like how loyalty to ones immediate family is good but Jesus tried to make they see their extended family as also being a part of the people who are of God. Why? Because God wanted all that are of God to be saved from destruction, not only the jew branch of that family tree.

Of course some jews violently rejected the idea that they alone aren't "israel" and they murdered Jesus for that heresy. Which is why Jesus is said to have died and defeated death for all of his people.

>>17951827
God delivered the commandments and the laws to the people of Moses because they were greatly wicked and needed correction, but the laws in themselves were an intervention meant to heal them so they may be worthy of the Kingdom of God.
The pharisees of Christ's time had things reversed: they worshipped the laws while their spirits were unclean and corrupted. Christ came to abolish worship of the laws and create a new covenant.
In the new covenant, the laws were not adequate for salvation as every man who ever lived cannot be sinless by the standard they set. The punishment for sin was historically death, which was put onto a sacrifice in the form of a lamb or other animal that died for your sins.
Christ then, is God's sacrifice to atone for all sins in the eyes of the law for all time, so instead of having to kill a lamb you enter into a relationship of faith and repentance with the sacrifice of God who died in your place.
Therefor, the old laws become absolved through faith in Christ, and in short the pharisees are BTFO.
This is why they killed Him.

Worshipping Jesus while being a Jew just isn't possible, not then, not today, not ever.

>>17951584 (OP)
>I can't read.
Noted. Have fun burning.

>>17951732
I truly can't wait to see your face when you stand before God for judgment.
>B-but you weren't supposed to exist!!!!!
I am so glad Hell exists for rats like you. :)

>>17951584 (OP)
You know for a religion that’s about Jesus his words and actions sure are ignored. He preached to Jews, his disciples were all Jews who he told not to preach to the gentiles, the same gentiles he considers to be dogs, if he was sent to them then he would have done it like Jonah but this is the case at all, you have westerners today interpreting a Jewish man’s life and teachings with a western view

>>17952454
ha ha no Jesus was a Hellenized Jew who preached Greek philosophy and was killed as a blasphemer

>>17952470
Greeks weren't white either, nothing south of the Alps is.

>>17951584 (OP)
yeah, crazy

>>17951584 (OP)
Your choice is Jesus Christ or Satan.

>>17954642
every cult tells you this

if you don't follow us you're evil, lost, won't have sex with aliens or whatever

It's extremely effective against retards

>>17954676
Tick tock.

>>17954676
If you don't have sex with me you're evil.
>>17951584 (OP)
He came to fulfill the law, and make it pure. His action is the only thing that allows us to be: anything else is work that presides from man's folly and a willingness to follow satan. All work that could be done in satan could be done with God to a higher degree and by the law.

>>17954642
^

Christianity is a religion about Jesus, not about what Jesus actually taught. The dude thought the world was going to end in two weeks.

>>17954979
how do christians cope with this?

>>17954979
this is retarded nonsense
>>17955149
there is nothing to "cope" about because it is retarded nonsense

>>17955152
>this is retarded nonsense
It’s not. Why does Paul not mention the teachings of Jesus? He only mentions a handful of things.

>>17951720
>That was the bargain
There is no bargain with the divine, in Judaism or anywhere else. The divine doesn't give you things. You give things -to- the divine without expecting anything in return (love, devotion, worship, trust, credit for successes, sacrifices). When you've given absolutely everything expecting nothing in return, the magic happens.

Have a blessed day.

>>17951729
Jesus said to follow the law of moses untill the end and got angry about the oral law of the pharesees; paul isn't jesus btw

>>17951584 (OP)
>What? Huh?
It makes sense if you consider that it was Paul that spread his religion to the gentiles and having never actually met Jesus he made a bunch of things up; like not having to follow the Law anymore, despite both the OT and Jesus saing the opposite

>>17955526
>There is no bargain with the divine, in Judaism or anywhere else.

There are multiple bargains in the old testament and it was a basic principle in roman religion; stop making things up

>>17955533
>it was Paul that spread his religion to the gentiles
Great Commission for 200, Alex

>>17955541
>thinks I'm referring to what the bible says or doesn't say
For he who has ears to hear, let him hear.

>>17955548
>uuh I'm not referring to the thing that proves me wrong

>>17955546
Irrelevant; what paul thaught was more popular than whatever the apostles did; that's why modern christians believe things that directly oppose god in the OT and jesus

>>17955561
>thinking a book proves anything
Only direct personal experience has value where truth is concerned. Any and all "teachings" are invitations to self inquiry.

>>17955562
Beliefs are harmful impediments to attaining the kingdom of god. Any beliefs must be jettisoned in favor of faith, trust, and love.