Thread 17953346

Why was the English New Model Army so good?

I know its associated with Cromwell, but did he have serious influence over how it was founded or run? Or were there any other individuals who helped influence it? Really curious about how it became such a dominant force-what it just a case of being pitted against armies of aristocratic retards?

book recs welcome

>>17953346 (OP)
Maybe Cromwell replaced the army commanders with better and more experienced ones.

>>17953372
This is the kind of shit that makes asking anything on this shitty board completely pointless. If you don’t know the answer then shut the fuck up.

>>17953346 (OP)
>Why was the English New Model Army so good
who did they fought outside of other angloids?

>>17953346 (OP)
>promoted officers based on merit rather than nobility
>paid soldiers on time
>had them do drills when not fighting

These sound like common sense today but were novel ideas back then.

>>17953607
Injuns

>>17953346 (OP)
>book recs
This might be exactly what you're looking for. I've yet to read it but it seems like a pretty strong survey on the army.

>>17953607
Irish, Dutch, Spanish… you dumbass faggot

>>17953679
Which they lost to professional beside Irish civilian militia

>>17953616
>novel ideas
I think you underestimate just how retarded historical armies were by modern standards. The concepts that founded the New Model Army were unthinkably revolutionary for many professional and experienced military men when they were introduced. If they hadn't been (coincidentally) politically attractive for the more radical elements within the parliamentary faction of the Civil War - especially Radical Protestantism - and if Cromwell had been just a little less politically savvy, they'd probably have been rejected out of hand for just being too weird.

>>17953711
Moron.

>>17953711
>>17953954

>>17953711
>>17953954
>>17953967
The Dutch were saved from harsh peace. In part to the leniency of Cromwell,[d] but also because he feared a longer war,[103] along with the massive economic damage to the English maritime economy.[104] The Dutch nevertheless realized few of the objectives in their 36 articles, and had to make a few minor concessions - the acceptance of the Act of Navigation which excluded their merchants from all commerce between England and its colonies,[105] an indemnity of £85,000 for losses of the EIC in the East Indies and £3,615 which had to be paid to the heirs of the victims of the Amboyna massacre.[106] The island of Run in the East Indies was to be ceded to the East India Company, although the Dutch never actually returned the island.[107][108] Lastly, a symbolic gesture; saluting the flag of English warships in the Channel.[109]

>>17953954
I didn’t say they lose in Ireland, dumbass

>>17953973
It's kinda funny, cause Cromwell had initially hoped to make common cause with the Dutch, though he also made certain to strengthen the statist faction within the Netherlands with certain articles.

>>17953967
Anglo usurpers got bankruptcies kek

>>17953616
>>17953947
Anglo historiography is just embarrassing
Whigs really did a number on you people

>>17953346 (OP)
Well they were in a prime position to apply the various battle tested reforms that came from the 80 and 30 Years Wars

>>17953979
Your post was in ESL gibberish which is why I also posted the other wars, which prove you wrong.

You stupid fucking retard.

>>17954229
>ESLfags
prove my point, i accept your concession, btw

>>17954229
No, the one shitting up this board is you and your retard obsession toward angloid war. don't reverse the role

>>17953616
>These sound like common sense today but were novel ideas back then.
There was nothing novel about that shit, it was just politically harduous to achieve that kind of reform and retain it long term.
For example, the so called merit promotions Cromwell instituted raised the quality of the officers corps, yes, but they also created a political faction that answered to the country's marshall, aka Cromwell himself, instead of the parliament. That was historically the main reason why connections were given priority over skill when assigning military command. Even 200 years after Cromwell's death the argument of political stability was still used to defend the need to promote "gentlemen" rather than the rabble.
Paying soldiers on time was a matter of finances. Plenty of rulers in history managed, but it was just hard back when state finances weren't anywhere near as stable as they are for modern states.
The drilling was also a strict consequence of pay, professionalism is expensive and keeping troops employed just to drill them is ruinously expensive.

>>17953967
Fact check : Spain was at war with France when this happened
For some reason you cut out that part

>>17954349
>we would've won if we weren't diplomatically incompetent o algo

Give “Cromwell’s Army” by John Barratt a read, you won't regret it.

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>>17954276
You can barely write coherently

>>17954828
You speak Arab soon, retard

>>17955100
You’re already writing like an Arabic retard

>>17954094
Bet you can’t name even a single one of these “Whigs” you refer to

>>17953711
>>17953979
>>17954071
>>17954094
>>17954276
>>17954349
You seethe about ‘Anglo’ history but know nothing about it. Hilarious.

>>17955641
>>17955698
t. projection faggot

>>17955960
How’s life in a Latin American favela going for you?

>>17956315
>>17955698
Go to /pol/

>>17956334
How about the favela-dwelling rat goes to /pol/, since he’s seemingly obsessed with Britain and doesn’t want to discuss history?

>>17956339
>History
>Briton 4channer
https://therecord.media/4chan-investigation-uk-ofcom-regulator

>>17953346 (OP)
They had God's favor

>>17956344
what's this zika brain favela dog babbling about

>>17956450
What you brainlet retard on about?

>>17956482
Seems a bit silly to call others retarded brainlets when you can barely speak English.

>Why was the English New Model Army so good?
Oliver Cromwell