Thread 17954025

Did the EEF peoples (GAC, Baden, and their descendants, etc.) massively influence the Indo-Europeans in various ways? And did they coexist peacefully without overlap for a long time? Was it such a peaceful and widespread cultural syncretism that the daggers, considered an h2eryós heritage and prestige weapon, the Grand Pressigny daggers actually are of EEF origin?

They became so popular within individual burial groups that cheap imitations began to be produced (because EEF intellect was superior), the so-called "Pseudo Grand Pressigny" daggers. Wear analysis of these daggers showed no evidence of combat use, and their prevalence in high-status graves suggests that these objects were primarily prestige items. The peak of Grand Pressigny dagger export occurred around 2650 BC in the Individual Grave Culture. EEF educates, teaches, and IE copies :)
I feel proud of my EEF ancestors, bros

>>17954025 (OP)
Bump

EEF people were chuds

>>17954025 (OP)
EEF groups created warrior aristocracy as a concept, just as similar settled agricultural groups did. On the steppe there were influences for this but the nomadic herding lifestyle forced a kind of standardization.

There was some diversity of culture. Globular Amphora was participating in some pretty horrible things but also a highly stratified warrior aristocracy. Compare that to Funnelbeaker who had warriors but they seem very clearly more peaceable with each other and less stratified, burials are less prolific and less extreme in the goods left compared to GAC.

WSH groups were able to standardize such practices in a useful way internally. And then when the plagues came, their more rural and war-like lifestyle, and preference for meat and dairy proved more robust against the sheer pathogenic load of early settled society. They could unleash themselves on the world essentially in a way the farmers did significantly less of, because for them all such works were monumental, physically built, towards greater urban complexity. Likely the Akkadians had a similar trajectory against the more urban and complex Mesopotamia.

>>17954584
This, perfect post
IE sisters?

>>17954584
GAC basically influenced all "based" CWC had, to villages to weapons and even the carts

>>17954570
According to who? STJ?

>>17954025 (OP)
>>17954584
Late EEF groups in Central Europe like GAC were convergently similar to Corded Ware because both were pastoralists. However they were tiny small, short and frail compared to the Nordic Corded Ware who annihilated the danubian shudra filth

>>17954677
Tiny medjeet gracile meds and danubian gorids got brutally molested and thrown into mass graves by Incoming Proto Nordics and Faelid ANEgiants

>>17954682
Tiny microcephalic ANFag medjeet skull vs Borreby

>>17954667
>both were pastoralists.

>>17954704
Yes, GAC were herding pigs and completely forgot their settled farmer lifestyle

>>17954715
Besides having a somewhat gay fetish for IEs, you're cynical and pull information out of your ass.
We have evidence of the use of grains and stone agricultural tools in GAC sites dating back to 2900 BC, in the late phase. If you said they had some pastoralist practices, it would be less retarded.
Hit your head on the wall until it bleeds

>>17954570
elaborate

>>17954584
I hate stone stackers

>>17954667
Corded Ware were tiny small, short and frail themselves.

Yamnaya and Kumsay giants are not the same as tiny Corded Ware stone users.

>>17954677
As a Polish person and therefore descendant of a Sarmatian cataphract yes, I am steppe nomad.

>>17954762
Corded Ware and Yamnaya also had this, still considered Pastoralists. Now fucking jump into the Pile of your dead worthless farmer kin.
>>17955052
Corded Ware had members well over the Yamnaya average. Battle axe was 5'11 for example.

>>17955703
Yamnaya average was 5'10'' while the Corded Ware average was 5'4''.

Yamnaya were literally smarter, stronger, taller, and better looking than Corded Ware subhumans.

>>17955752
Yamnaya were armenoid looking swarthoid churkas, corded ware were the first europeans of the modern kind

>>17955756
Yamnaya were tall proto-Nordics with big brains. Corded Ware were midget Alpinid Altanto-Mediterraneans with small brains.

Yamnaya outliers were 7' while Corded Ware outliers were 5'10'' which is the same as average Yamnaya height.

Yesterday there was a thread on /int/ where Russians were talking about how homosexual rape is based and trad because it disciplines and humiliates lesser males. It made me think about the Indo-European invasion of Europe. It's almost certain that Indo-Europeans did not simply rape the women as people generally think. They definitely gangraped all the EEF males they could. After all there is no way they were more civilized and cognitively developed than modern day Russians. If anything they were much more savage even if such a thing is hard to fathom.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they committed some of those rapes in front of EEF women to humiliate and emasculate the EEF males.

>>17955767
Average CWC male was 5'9"-5'10"

>>17955770
Cope.

>>17955768
Also, I think the high proportion of trannies in both Russia and ancient Scythians probably relates to constant homosexual rape. It's bound to have an effect when you're a weak male who is constantly being raped and feminized.

>>17954667
>>17954704
>>17954715
>>17954762
GAC and CWC were both farmers and practiced agriculture.

>>17955777
Many EHG and Corded Ware males were misclassified as female because they had unusually wide hips and narrow shoulders.

>>17955768
>>17955777
I mean, it's true when it comes to puccia.
There are no trannies and faggots in Belarus though and russians are mutted, they probably inherited that from Golden Horde because there was faggotry there.

>>17955768
I2 Svetovid would be unhappy to hear this, but I2 Romanian would be happy to hear this.

Why do so many retards shill so hard for Yamnaya after we found out they aren't even ancestsral to CWC or any modern peoples at all so all those grifts are worthless.

Is it incel sympathy?

>>17955768
Russians are full of deranged Mongoloid-Turkic mutts who do that shit before they have to serve as dronefodder. The white Russian men aren't doing any homosexual raping and do any other normal men who actually rule any civilization. It's purely a mutt chimpout thing.

>>17955768
Corded Ware sissies had a tradition of homosexuality and transgenderism.

>Archaeologists have discovered a 5,000-year-old skeleton which they believe may be the remains of a transgender person.

>Why is this odd? Time reports the way the body was buried might mean the man was gay, because the burial is consistent with the way women were buried. The bodies of men faced west and they were buried with hammers, flint knives and weapons.

>But this skeleton was found with its head towards the east and was surrounded by domestic jugs – as women’s bodies from the time are usually found.

>Archaeologist Kateřina Semrádová told Czech Position: “We believe this is one of the earliest cases of what could be described as a ‘transsexual’ or ‘third gender grave’ in the Czech Republic.”

>Vesinova told Iran's Press TV that the man would have lived during the Stone Age's Corded Ware culture, which existed between 2,500 and 2,800 BC.

Corded Ware were mentally ill homosexuals and trannies.

>>17955798
Weird how the Yamnaya weren't homosexual, but the Corded Ware and their descendants in Europe were tranny homosexuals.

>>17954025 (OP)
>MARCH OF THE TITANS
kek

>>17955703
>Corded Ware and Yamnaya also had this, still considered Pastoralists.
No, we're not talking about CWC or Yamnaya, you illiterate monkey.
The CWC were not pastoralists as their primary means of subsistence. There is no evidence for this. Quite the contrary. There are permanent settlements, agricultural tools, and extensive contact with other agricultural cultures. Yamnaya and CWC, but mainly Yamnaya, were extensively pastoralist, with minimal evidence of agriculture. The words for grains in post-CWC languages do not derive from a PIE root base, which is irrelevant to the early PIEs.
You lost, damn you. Kill yourself so your parents will cry at your poor grave.
>>17955779
No, tard see above

>>17955879
>The CWC were not pastoralists as their primary means of subsistence.
GAC*

>>17955879
>There are permanent settlements, agricultural tools, and extensive contact with other agricultural cultures
This is all true for CWC and GAC.

>>17955703
>>17954715
>>17954667
>>17955779
>>17955879
both are wrong. Pastoralism as a fundamental means of early IE societies is so extensively corroborated that it is ahistorical folly to suggest otherwise. The daily use of dairy products based on peptide analyses in IEs, the reconstruction of their mythology with parallels linked to cattle and nomadic life, the low artisanal work of their pots, their tombs being buried with bones of animals consistent with a pastoralist life, such as goats, cows, etc., as the anon said, the lack of shared agricultural terms makes it difficult to hypothesize that they were an agricultural and pastoral society.
Was agriculture unknown to them? No, certainly not. Could they occasionally engage in non-extensive agricultural practices? Yes, as the Scythians and Sarmatians did, but it was not the primary means, or even used in conjunction with the pastoral model, which was the primary means of their subsistence. the cultivation of some plants is common, even in pastoralist societies.

>>17955886
Actually no
>>17955895
It's the sameflag that has information about xitter, not me
nobody talked about Yamnaya or GAC

>>17955895
Yamnaya never did, but CWC did engage in extensive agricultural practices and lived in settlements.

>>17954779
EEF graves show mass violence, wholesale massacres of males by other villages and even cannibalism. EEFs were psychotically violent. Steppe conquest of EEF was like like conquistadors conquering and humanising the Aztecs.

>>17955898
>GAC
Again, both would be wrong, but especially the boy above who uses a strange reductionism. First of all, everyone here should keep in mind that "agriculture" is a broad and vague term for the Neolithic context. What today would be agriculture for them would today be called family farming, mainly due to demographic issues. But in general, although the soil of northern Europe made extensive agriculture seen in the Mediterranean difficult, it would be dishonest to argue that it was impractical or secondary. But they were, in fact, more mobile than other contemporary populations. But the problem is that both are saying that the first IE were farmers, which is false. Johannes Müller have a good book

>>17955906
You went back, I see. Well, again, it's not correct or too basic. No one denies that they, or even the Yamnaya (they did, actually), could have had temporary agricultural practices. The problem is that you're all being too reductionist. And what kind of CWC are we talking about? The increased use of agricultural practices only occurred in late CWC cultures, Fatyanovo, for example, introduced such practices to the Volga region, although they still had a pastoralist focus, as seen in Andronovo (mainly the northern cultures) and Sintashta. Returning to the CWC, there are very few discovered settlements, (if i m not wrong, 8) supporting the view of this culture as exclusively nomadic pastoralist.
And in fact, the only evidence of sedentary agriculture we have, across all CWC branches, is a site in Poland where barley was found. But the problem with this is that archaeologically, this site presented material continuity with the Funnebeark culture, so it wasn't as if it were a new means of general substance of the CWC. And an economy focused on...
For example, cow's milk was systematically used, or wool production, again reflecting a pastoral lifestyle, and its abrupt extension is evidenced by nomadism.

>>17955944
in fact the finding of barley, wheat and traces of emerald in corded ware from Poland is a thorn in the side of those who deny (like the guys above) that the GAC funnelbeark and other cultures were essentially "herders".

The CWC from Poland is the one that presents the most cultural similarities and even the use of EEF graves across the horizon and with samples reaching up to 35% EEF, it's ironic, those who present the most similarity with EEF are those who had some agricultural practices.
As i said>>17955879
They had agricultural practices
Sameflags seething* on*

>>17955953
Yeah, but my only observation here is how you're reducing everything to a vague dichotomy, and even using female favoritism, but anyway, yes, it doesn't make much sense to think of them as farmers if not even GAC and Baden achieved this feat extensively and not supplementarily, let alone the early CWCs, but I think we're being off-topic.
OP isn't necessarily talking about cultural and economic practices, isn’t?

>>17955944
Nonsense. Different kinds of grain were found in multiple Corded Ware sites and they even used the plow. They also found many settlements in the Corded Ware, retard.

The Yamnaya were actual nomadic pastoralists and didn't do any of this.

>>17955974
You are a retard with no understanding of this subject. Using livestock doesn't somehow make them non-farmers. CWC and GAC were both farmer cultures that used grain and lived in settlements.

>>17954025 (OP)
>these daggers showed no evidence of combat use
that wasn't really intelligent from EEF

>>17954025 (OP)
>Did the EEF peoples (GAC, Baden, and their descendants, etc.) massively influence the Indo-Europeans in various ways? And did they coexist peacefully without overlap for a long time? Was it such a peaceful and widespread cultural syncretism that the daggers, considered an h2eryós heritage and prestige weapon, the Grand Pressigny daggers actually are of EEF origin?
The Spanish (and possibly the Greek) example shows that sexual selection basically eliminated all farmer men at the expense of the Indos.
It's only logical to assume the same happened northwards.

>>17955979
>You are a retard
I won't read the rest, hugs. You are completely irrelevant now.
>Nonsense
it's not an argument
>Different kinds of grain were found in multiple Corded Ware sites
Not really. We found it in the CWC territory of Poland, as I said above. You can see the article:
Holm. Hans JJG (2019). >The first finds of wheels, their archaeology and Indo-European terminology in time and space, and the first migrations around the Caucasus
and indeed, not a wide variety of grains were found, The substance and lifestyle still remain primarily pastoralist and nomadic, as well evidenced by the reconstructed culture of the Indo-Europeans as inferred from philology, and analyses, despite typological changes in ceramics, being rudimentary and basic,
indicate sustenance for a nomadic population, since they are remnants. By this, I mean that their material apparatus does not match traditional agricultural practices. The Baltic CWC, for example, did not represent one of the oldest cultures, and they were itinerant livestock herders who brought animal husbandry to the Eastern Baltic between ca. 2900–2300 cal BC. And you're lying, because at the sites there is no grain variety other than that with a high FB influence.
The presence of traces of domesticated fauna in CWC contexts, as well as stable isotope data obtained from human bone collagen, supports a pastoralist lifestyle.
and why do you need to lie? Baltic CWC, for example, only wild plants were collected and used in Narva-Jõesuu IIB; no domesticated plants or signs of plant cultivation were identified.In CWC contexts, Cerealia-type pollen has been found, but the pollen may originate from wild grasses, long-distance transport, or contamination, not necessarily cultivation
the cultivation or use of CWC plants has not been systematically attested by archaeobotanical methods, I'm sorry

>>17955975
>The Yamnaya were actual nomadic
The same with CWC, only the late CWC had some practices

>>17956096
>did not
I meant that they represent*

>>17955795
We russians have have zero mongol-turkic admixture (checked by science) and have 15-25% finnic admixture (and therefore only 1.5-3% asian 'xture from fingols).