Thread 17955263

The direct successor of the Mongol Jochid Golden Horde was the Crimean Khanate.

The Jochid Crimean Khanate and Ottomans jointly invaded and conquered Hungary and ravaged eastern Austria countryside in 1529 up to Vienna just like the Golden Horde army in 1240,1241 and 1242 when it reached Wiener Neustadt in Austria.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17729058/#q17729298

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17507888/#q17507888

Ottomans invaded Hungary in 1521, defeated Hungary at the Battle of Mohács in 1526 and annexed Buda in 1541.

The Mongol Crimean Khanate continued ravaging eastern Austria until 1683 and ruled Hungary until 1699.

The ancestors of Ottomans themselves fled the Mongol conquest of Central Asia to Seljuq Anatolia, so the Mongols were even more powerful than them.

Hungarian castles didn't stop the Crimean Khanate and Ottomans.

Also, Chinese castles and Iranian castles never actually fell to the Mongols.

The Southern Song Chinese Sichuan mountain fortresses like Diaoyu voluntarily capitulated in 1278 because they lost all communication with the last Southern Song emperor in Guangdong.

They no longer had a head of state and voluntarily gave up in exchange for total amnesty.

Diaoyu killed Mongke Khan in 1259 which resulted in splitting the Mongol empire.

Diaoyu and the other Chinese mountain fortresses in Sichuan withstood decades of siege by Mongols, they didn't even break under counterweight trebuchet bombardment (only lowland Chinese city walls were threatened by the counterweight trebuchet).

Two smaller Sichuan mountain forts refused to surrender, one of them, Lingxiao managed to last another 9 years until 1288 under total siege by Kublai Khan's entire Yuan dynasty.

That was without the larger forts like Diaoyu who voluntarily gave up in 1278-1279.

If Diaoyu didn't capitulate, the Sichuan fortress would gave lasted decades more.

>>17955263 (OP)
The Chinese feudal mountain castle Hailongtun ruled by the Yang family of Bozhou was not taken by Mongols either.

Hailongtun and Bozhou held out against the Mongols and Yuan dynasty for decades.

The feudal Yang chieftain who was loyal to the Song only capitulated to the Mongols after the Southern Song government ended in 1279, and Kublai Kham granted him complete amnesty and the Yang family continued to rule as vassals.

It was the Ming dynasty which destroyed Hailongtun in 1600 after a decade long siege.

The Iranian Ismaili castles voluntarily capitulated to the Mongols under orders from their own Imam.

Only Girdkuh castle refused to follow the order and it lasted 15 years of siege by Mongols until they ran out of wearable clothes and died of exposure to the cold weather.

If the other Ismaili castles didn't surrender they would have lasted decades more

The Ismaili castles already survived decades of Seljuq siege.

>>17955263 (OP)
>>17955264
The Southern Song had actual mountain castle fortresses in Sichuan (not fortified cities) that withstood siege by the Yuan dynasty for DECADES, with the last one not falling until 1288, 9 years after the official end of Southern Song.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_anti-Mongol_fortresses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Diaoyucheng

The Han Chinese Yang family ruling the Tusi chiefdom of Bozhou had a massive castle with a stone foundation built on a cliff with only one side that they could be sieged from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hailongtun

The Mongol empire never besieged it because the Yang family, like the majority of other Tusis in the area, simply defected to the Mongol empire and Yuan and retained their fiefdoms. The Yang family ruled throughout the Tang dynasty, Song dynasty, Yuan dynasty and Ming dynasty until 1600 when Ming troops burned the castle down with modern gunpowder cannon after a rebellion.

And as for Iran


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerdkuh

>Gerdkūh or Girdkūh (Persian: گردکوه, also known as دژ گنبدان Dezh-e Gonbadān, "fortress of the domes")[1] was a major castle of the Nizari Ismaili state located near Damghan, Iran. Due to circular shape of mountain peak, it was named Gerdkuh, Gerd (گرد) for "circular" (round) and kuh (کوه) for "mountain". The castle was surrounded by a triple ring of forts making its position seemingly impregnable. Hasan Sabbah and other Nizari leaders often sent their families to this castle for refuge. Hulagu Khan with 5,000 men started a siege against Girdkuh in 1253. Girdkuh held out against the Mongol siege for 17 years, and was the last Nizari stronghold in Persia to surrender to Mongols.[2]

>>17955264
How could they last so long under siege? What did they eat?

>>17955263 (OP)
>>17955264
>>17955268

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8317887/#q8318998

The Mongols never defeated or sieged the largest Chinese fortifications. The Chinese feudal nobles in stone castles just switched alleigance and the Mongols moved on leaving them in their fiefs.

The biggest Chinese castle at the time was Hailongtun in Bozhou. The Chinese hereditary feudal lords of the Yang family ruling Bozhou just submitted recognition of the Yuan as the new dynasty instaed of the Southern Song and continued ruling as hereditary feudal lords of their Bozhou fief in the Yuan and into the late Ming. The same with the Chinese Duan family ruling Kingdom of Dali in Yunnan. The Southern Song child emperor in Lin'an capitulated and the capital was not stormed. Yuan princesses were married off to the Southern Song emperor and King of Dali.

The biggest castle the Mongols took by siege in Asia was an Assassin castle in Girdkuh, Iran.


The giant Chinese mountain stone castle Hailungtun was only destroyed in 1600 in the Ming dynasty when the Yang family rebelled against the Ming. The Yuan never besieged the most powerful Chinese feudal stone castle of it's day. It was built in 1257 on a mountain.


These are a small part of the remains of the biggest Chinese mountain stone castle, Hailongtun which was destroyed during the Bozhou rebellion by the Ming dynasty in 1600 with cannon fire.

The Mongols never besieged the castle, the ruling Yang family just switched allegiance to the new dynasty from Southern Song to the Yuan.

>>17955268
Good guys Mongols not destroying your culture, only hungering for tribute.

>>17955269
Chinese mountain fortresses had their own terraces for growing food on the mountainside.

Some lowland Chinese cities also had farmland inside the city walls..

and then they raped them

>>17955279
Yes that's what Ottomans and Mongol Crimean Khanate did in Hungary and eastern Austria.

Chinese medieval fortifications were stronger than European medieval fortifications.

The Mongols never demolished the strongest Chinese mountain castles in battle, not with the new counterweight trebuchet, not with any siege equipment available, and didn't manage to starve them our either.

Hungarian castles were not better than Chinese castles. The Golden Horde didn't have the population or food for protracted sieges of dozens of castles due to its small population base and lack of farms (the Yuan dynasty had farms and population of northern China)

The Ottomans did have the resources, food and population for that, and once the Ottomans joined the Mongol Crimean Khanate, the Hungarian castles became useless.

The Mongol Golden Horde also did biological warfare by catapulting bubonic plague infected bodies corpses into the Italian Genoan held city of Kaffa (Caffa) in coastal Crimea, spreading Black Death to Europe

>>17955281
Is there an Empire that didnt do that? You only hear about it with the Mongolsbecause they didnt eradicate thier defeated foes entirely.

>>17955263 (OP)
>pre gunpowder forts in mountains were hard to take
damn who would've guessed

what is the purpose of this thread besides raping my fucking eyes with your reddit spacing?

>>17955358
Two kinds of retards.

Pro-Mongols falsely claiming Mongols destroyed Chinese forts and Iranian castles and using it as an argument that Mongols could take Eurupe castles.

Western supremacists responding to them by also falsely claiming Mongols destroyed Chinese forts and Iranian castles but falsely claim that Chinese forts are inferior to European castles so Mongols could never take those castles on.

And, the Mongol Crimean Khanate and Ottomans did conquer Hungary.

The Jochid Giray family completed what the Jochi's son Batu Khan started.

Chinese mountain forts are immune to the counterweight trebuchet, they are stronger than European castles.

Chinese mountain forts are the analogue to European castles, not Chinese walled cities. Counterweight trebuchet only damaged city walls.

Even lowland Chinese city walls are better than European city walls, many Chinese city walls are impervious to gunpowder artillery including European heavy cannons, and even early 20th century artillery and airplane dropped bombs.

Counterweight trebuchets can also punch through European castles and European city walls, so they aren't better built.

Most Chinese cities during the modern gunpowder age would only capitulate due to attrition (soldiers dying in combat from bullet or arrow fire on the walls), and only occasionally were weak points demolished by gunpowder artillery.

>>17955433
Third kind of retard:
Just enjoying reading about Mongol history and defenders tactics.
These Chinese hill forts, they had stone walls with earth behind them to support against projectiles?
Europeans did this as well, though I am not sure during what era.

>>17955523
>Europeans did this as well, though I am not sure during what era.
During adoption of star forts specifically designed against cannons.

>>17955551
No, before that, this one was built much earlier that those. Europeans had hilltop castles as well. With one or more walls being supported with existing earth. As well as double walls that were then filled in.

>>17955263 (OP)
People DON'T "pretend like castles saved Hungary", because you are confusing Hungary with Austria.

The Hungarian kings saw its success in Austria and then built them over the centuries to even reclaim independence. Austria was at the time much more developed than Hungary was.

>>17955264
>>17955268
>>17955270
The real reasons castles are effective are not because they hold out for X years, but because they can be used to dominate a region using patrols from the castle while also holding out against largest forces until relief can arrive.

This does not take away from the honour of the Chinese and Iranian troops who held out so long against the Mongol scourge, but it's to say how the Mongols were actually stopped in Austria, Poland and later Hungary. The Mongol conquest model was always:
>1. Split army, raid countryside and drive peasantry to cities.
>2. Merge army only when pitched battle is offered and you think you can win (e.g. they simply avoided battle with the crusader army by running away, while crushing the Hungarians at Mohi).
>3. Once you drive everyone to cities give ultimatum to surrender as tributary or raze the city after a prolonged siege as an example to others who dare defy you.

Castles stopped Mongol incursions into Austria in step 1 already because fast moving knights stationed in castles killed all their raiding parties forcing an early end to the campaign. The same was eventually done by Hungary.

Western Europe has always been the most developed region per capita at every point in human history so they were always able to develop and adapt to crises like horde invasions and come out on top. The less of Eurasia was of course bigger and richer when combined, but never had the same density of development and wealth.

>>17955281
Han peasants were raped so hard that Mongol DNA still dominates most of Northern China to this day.

Mongols used to send lone Mongol soldiers to Chinese villages who then starting killing random Chinese men and raping women.

Chinese "men" had to take this up the ass like cucks.

If they defended Mongol reprisals would devestate them all.

Chinese live like this cucks for centuries! To weak to do anything against Mongol Chads killing them and raping their women.

Modern Chinese men so cuckbrained and genetically scared they even SIMP for their Mongol overlords to this day!

>>17955290
Chinese medieval forts were primitive rammed Earth, they were not even able to build vertical stone walls.

Hungarian castles were better than Chinese castles.

More importantly plate armour knights were superior to the primitive bronze age lammellar armour of the Chinese and Mongols.

That's Europe was never conquered on the end while China was conquered by Steppe barbarians multiple times in its history.

The Ottomans lost in the end too, as did all enemies of Europe.

Mongol biological warfare was ineffective due to superior European medical technology.

Only inferior races like Amerindians get conquered by disease.

>>17955292
Mongols are the one conquering people that didn't really rape, they razed and butchered cities wiping them out completely and only leaving a few survivors to spread the message.

Well this happened to those who strongly resisted them, the tributaries in China who surrendered easily probably did get raped. The Chinkspammer ITT instead chooses to dishonour the few of his ancestors (probably genetically unrelated to him) that held out by simping for Mongols. Chinese boipussy was simply bred to be dominated by stronger Mongol men over the centuries of their rule.

Such is the mind of conquered peoples.

>>17955597
>plate armour knights
>1240
Breastplate comes into use in 1370s in Europe. Full plate suit around 1420.

>>17955433
>>17955551
Europeans obviously had rammed earth before, pre-stone castle hill forts had them. It is literally the most primitive fortification technology in human history. They are effective against siege weapons, but inferior for everything else. A common feature of Chinese siege warfare shows this issue where insurgents regularly simply just climb over these walls and attack the garrison at night.

It's really funny that you whine about "Western supremacists", but you literally invite this by trying to insult Europe constantly. Your problem is that all objective facts are against you: China was conquered (not just by Mongols, many other peoples) while Europe was not. Europe invented the modern world while China only lives in it.

You would be better off just discussing the stronger parts of Chinese history instead of trying to constantly compare with Europe.

>>17955611
I'm imitating the Chinkspammer (see my spacing) who always intentionally brings in anachronisms and pseudohistory in overly biased tone. You will see him occasional about repeating crossbows or whatever which wasn't even used for real warfare.

Don't consider any of those points seriously.

>>17955578
>>1. Split army, raid countryside and drive peasantry to cities.
Then never drone peasantry to cities specifically. Whoever escaped to cities they were lucky to outrun Mongols.
When Mongols raided country side they killed an captured peasants.
Kharash (death corps of prisoners, their death rate was about 100%) was important part of Mongol tactics.

>>17955619
They killed the villages they raided while allowing a few survivors to escape and spread the news (or letting others find 100% razed villages), this caused surrounding villages to flee to the cities. The end effect is a massive starving population in the city with no countryside to support them. This worked very well on the Steppe where cities where cities were far away from each other.

>>17955602
Well i have never personally read accounts of rape. They did however take multiple wives from among thier conquered subjects.

>>17955646
Well, yes, but Chinese are used to handing over Han princesses to steppe Lords. They were literally bred for this purpose.

>>17955640
>allowing a few survivors to escape and spread the news
It's exactly opposite. Any survivors escaping were their success and loss of Mongols.
In Russian campaign Mongols often outrun news spread and frist news for towns about invasion was Mongols appearing under walls.
Then for centuries Crimean Khaganate run tactics of fast raids to capture slaves (their main source of income). It's world without radio and steppe raiders outrun news, this is why for Russians it was son important to build their own Great Wall (they had it it's only unknown to general public) and network of early warning outposts to warn rural population against raid and escape.

>>17955263 (OP)
>The direct successor of the Mongol Jochid Golden Horde was the Crimean Khanate.
No It wasn't. The Crimean Khan destroyed the Golden Horde, in fact.

But you actually correct, the Mongols forced the Hungarian king to pay tribute after the first invasion, so really they were no less conquered than the Russian principalities.

>>17955666
Ah. I didn't know that.

Man Mongols are such cunts.

>>17955611
in 1240 they had coat of plates under the maille, at least if you were a knight up to date on your military equipment. That said, european maille proved in the crusades that it made knight pretty much immune to arrows.

>>17955617
Chinkspammer owns you. Cope

I really can't get over the fact that so many modern Chinese historians and grifters decided to heavily start SIMPing for Mongols apparently out of pure resentment over the fact that most of Europe and the Islamic world was never conquered like they were.

Whenever I read about Mongols invasions I always automatically side with the civilization resisting them. I read about their exploits, praise valiant defeats and minor victories alike. Learn the objective facts and draw principles from it. When I read about some Indian city surviving an attack I'm happy for them: civilization winning against the hordes. When I read about a Chinese holdout I honour them. Meanwhile modern Chinese seem to literally take pleasure out of every Mongol victory, while denigrating the Mongol opposition. They literally praise their own cowardly leadership who surrendered to the Mongol hordes while dishonouring their braver ancestors who resisted Mongol conquests. They hype up Mongols to the point of lying and exaggerating their achievements.

I don't even hate Mongols or anything like that, but I never for once act as if they were the "good guys" or some kind of civilizing force like Chinese started doing in the last decade or so.

The funniest part is when actual full blooded Mongols see this kind of stuff and just comment "yeah we raped Chinks good, they're good little slaves SIMPing for us to this day".

>>17955685
the mongols did plunge islam into a dark age of mental barbarity that they have never recovered from

Genghis Khan and the Mongols didn't lose a single battle against the Han Chinese slaves they conquered.

Century conquest of Mongols winning every battle and genociding their Han Chinese slaves.

The first battle the Mongol Empire ever lost was against the Khwarazmians.

The Mongols had already conquered the Northern Han Chinese when they fought the Khwarazmians but didn't lose a single time during their conquest of Northern China.

The Mongols also didn't lose any battle during their conquest of the Song Dynasty and Southern China.

Chinkspammer is trying to portray them as only defeating Europeans but the Mongols easily conquered all of the Han Chinese.

Mongols lost multiple times trying to conquer Central Asia, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East.

But the Mongols didn't lose once during their conquest of China.

>>17955685
The Han Chinese slaves have to suck off their Mongol masters.

What battle are they going to commemorate?

Mongols didn't lose a single battle against any Chinese army during their century conquest of China.

Chines holdouts all surrendered when they could've kept resisting like Chinkspammer claims.

There was no victory or exploits by the Han Chinese.

The Han have to take pride in the victory of their Mongol masters.

>>17955709
10/10 post

>>17955597
>That's Europe was never conquered on the end

The Huns, Avars, and Iranic Alans all conquered and raped Hungary, Austria, and Alans made it to Spain.

Ottomans and Bulgar Turks both conquered Bulgaria and Ottomans made it to Eastern Austria.

Ottomans and Mongol Crimean Tatars both committed mass rape in the Austrian countryside while besieging Vienna both times.

Han dynasty Chinese general Dou Xian is the one that destroyed the northern Xiongnu (Huns) in Mongolia and drove them to Europe

Attila the Hun the raped and comquered everything from Hungary to the Netherlands

The Avars then followed the Huns from Mongolia

Tang dynasty China defeated the Gokturk Eastern Turkic Khaganate and conquered Mongolia (Protectorate General to Pacify the North) and Central Asia (Protectorate general to pacify the West)

The Turks were driven out of Mongolia by China to Anatolia and Crimea.

>>17955709
>The Mongols had already conquered the Northern Han Chinese when they fought the Khwarazmians

Liar, the Jin dynasty fell in 1234, and the Mongols comquered Khwarezmia before that in 1219-1221

The Mongols were fighting the Jurchen Jin dynasty and Tangut Western Xia in northern China since 1211.

Han generals like Shi Bingzhi, Guo Baoyu, Zhang Rou and Liu Heima joined Genghis against the Jurchens when Genghis attacked the Jin in 1211


Guo Baoyu and other Han generals participated in Genghis Khan's rape of Khwarezmia in 1219-1221, then they returned to Northern China to finish off the Tangut Western Xia and Jurchens from 1221-1234

The Mongols also sent a scouting part all the way to Ukraine in 1223 where they defeated Kiev at the battle of Kalka river.

The Mongols, in addition to Northern Han generals, then allied with Southern Song to crush the Jurchens in 1234.

The Mongols then mass raped Hungary and eastern Austria in 1240-1242 and sacked Baghdad in 1258.

Han generals and soldiers participated in both rape campaigns.

Keep in mind Northern China is closer to Mongolia than Khwarezm and Ukraine

Southern China is closer to Mongolia than Hungary and Baghdad.

The Mongols comquered and raped Khwarezm before the Jin fell

Mongols mass raped Hungary and sacked Baghdad while Southern Song controlled all of Southern China.

Guo Baoyu's grandson Guo Kan participated in Baghdad.

Shi Bingzhi's nephew Shi Tianlin participated in Batu Khan's mass rape invasion in Hungary and Austria.

Shi Bingzhi took two Jurchen women as concubines and his son Shi Tianze did the same.

Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman and another one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer

Kublai Khan handed out Korean women as wives to Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang who defected.

Kublai Khan married off his daughter to Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)

>>17956121
>The Huns, Avars, and Iranic Alans all conquered and raped Hungary, Austria, and Alans made it to Spain.

All of them LOST:
Huns and Avars
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Catalaunian_Plains
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nedao
Alans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans
>The Iberian Alans, soundly defeated by the Visigoths in 418 CE, subsequently surrendered their authority to the Hasdingi Vandals.[10]


All of these came all this way trying to exploit the chaos of a declining Rome only to end up as fertilizer. lmao.

Ottomans again also LOST.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

More fertilizer.

>Han dynasty Chinese general Dou Xian is the one that destroyed the northern Xiongnu (Huns)

Cope, the Han never stop paying tribute to the White men of the Xiongnu. Both Xiongnu and Huns were White men from the West, but shorter and smaller in stature due to fucking so many Han princesses into their genepool (that's why they lost!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqin#Han_dynasty

>108 BC: Emperor Wu of Han marries Liu Xijun (刘细君 130–101 BC), daughter of Liu Jian (刘建), Prince of Jiangdu (江都王 d. 121 BC), granddaughter of Prince Yi of Jiangdu, to Liejiaomi, King of Wusun.
>103 BC: Emperor Wu of Han marries Liu Jieyou (刘解忧 121–49 BC) to King Junxumi of Wusun (Liejiaomi's grandson). After Junxumi's death in 93 BC, Princess Jieyou, in accordance with Wusun tradition, married his successor (and younger brother), King Wengguimi. After Wengguimi's death in 60 BC, Princess Jieyou again remarried his successor King Nimi (son of Junximi and a Xiongnu princess).
>33 BC: Emperor Yuan of Han marries Wang Zhaojun (王昭君 52 BC – 15), a lady of the imperial harem, to Xiongnu chieftain Huhanye. After Huhanye's death in 31 BC, she remarried Huhanye's successor (his son by his first wife and thus her stepson) Fuzhuleiruodi Chanyu.

Han dynasty died shortly after this.

White men cucked you then you died.

>>17955617
> You will see him occasional about repeating crossbows

I never posted about repeating crossbows being used to win wars in /his/.

>>17955615
>Europeans obviously had rammed earth before

Medieval Chinese cities had stone walls with rice paste and lime mortar, retard, covering the rammed earth

Modern artillery and bombs would bounce off the stone exterior of the walls, not the ranked earth interior.

By the way idiot, rammed earth isn't literally pounded earth

Rammed earth has animal blood and lime added which strengthen it by multiple times and require a precise mix of clay and silt

>>17955727
>Chines holdouts all surrendered when they could've kept resisting like Chinkspammer claims.

Kublai Khan gave Korean women to all Southern Song soldiers who capitulated and defected

>Mongols didn't lose a single battle

The Southern Song mountain fortress Diaoyu killed Mongol Supreme Khagan Möngke Khan in 1259 which fractured the Mongol empire into four

Kublai Khan had to grant amnesty to all of Diaoyu's defenders decades later.

>There was no victory or exploits by the Han Chinese.

Han Generals participated in the massacres of Jurchens, conquest of Khwarezmia, Baghdad, Hungary.

Chinese poison gunpowder appeared at the battle of Legnica and Mohi.

Han military judge Shi Tianlin participated in the campaign.

>>17956148
>>17956139

There is zero truth behind your copes. Losers in wars don't get to do any raping, they actually just die and become fertilizer. There is zero O* haplogroups in Europe, meanwhile lots of European semen in China:

>Xiongnu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu

>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu period remains belonged to paternal haplogroups associated with modern West Eurasians, while the rest (53%) belonged to East Asian haplogroups. They observed that this contrasts strongly with the preceding Slab Grave period, which was dominated by East Asian patrilineages. They suggest that this may reflect an aggressive expansion of people with West Eurasian paternal haplogroups, or perhaps the practice of marriage alliances or cultural networks favoring people with Western patrilines.[254]


Picrel shows how much Western semen found its way into Han princess wombs which still survives to this day. But there are no O groups existing outside of China!

Despite you SIMPing for your Mongol masters they also just impregnated you, but never allowed your slave race people to fuck anything outside (or inside) your own homelands.

Sad! Maybe you should cry about it on /r/asianmasculinity!

>>17955656
Kublai Khan married off his own daughter to Han Southern Song Emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)

None of the Mongol Khagans and Yuan emperors had a single Han concubines or wife.

The Yuan emperors had Korean concubines like Empress Gi, not a single Han woman was a concubine or empress of the Yuan.

Other steppe nomad leaders married off their daughters to Han

Xiongnu Qiedihou Chanyu married his daughter to Han general Li Ling. The Yenisei Kyrgyz Khagan claimed descent from them.

Han men like Li Guangli, Su Wu and Zhang Qian all received Xiongnu wives.

The Han Ban Zhi married a daughter of Xiongnu Xiutu prince Jin Chang.

Han prince Sima Chuzhi received a Xianbei Tuoba princess as wife and his son Sima Jinlong married a Xiongnu Juqu princess.

>>17955586
>so hard that Mongol DNA still dominates most

Northern Han have the same Y-DNA as Northern Han 3000 years ago during the Shang dynasty.

In fact, while Kazakhstan and Hazarajat have majority Mongol C2 star cluster Y-DNA it doesn't appear south of the great wall at all.

>Mongols used to send lone Mongol soldiers

Northern Han generals and soldiers fought in the Mongol army against the Jurchens and Tanguts and raped and ethnically cleansed Jurchens from Northern China.

Han generals like Shi Bingzhi and his son Shi Tianze had Jurchen concubines and his Shi Gang had a Mongol Kerait wife

>>17956139
Shi Bingzhi took two Jurchen women as concubines and his son Shi Tianze did the same.

Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman and another one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer

Kublai Khan handed out Korean women as wives to Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang who defected.

Kublai Khan married off his daughter to Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)

>>17956168
>>17956168
>There is zero O* haplogroups in Europe,


Crimean Tatars in Europe literally have O3
Arabs (tribal) in Qatar and Yemen AND Turkic Crimean Tatar Nogai nobility (Mansurskiy family from Mangyt, Idegey bey) have Han Chinese Y chromosome O-M175. Results from Qatar, Yemeni and Crimea in this list.

https://familytreedna.com/public/o3?iframe=yresults

>>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu period remains belonged to paternal haplogroups

These remains are in Mongolia retard, not China.

By the way the Mongols wiped out West Eurasian haplos in Mongolia as Kazakhstan and replaced it with C2 star cluster

>But there are no O groups existing outside of China!


There's O3 in Crimea, in Darg8ms in Dagestan, in the Naiman Kazakh tribe,, in the Pashtun Jadoon tribe, in Anatolian Turks and Azeris.

Turkmen Nader Shah had O3

>found its way into Han princess wombs

Xiongnu, Xianbei and Kublai Khan all gave their own daughters in marriage to Han generals and princes

>>17956156
>Medieval Chinese cities had stone walls with rice paste and lime mortar, retard, covering the rammed earth
Yes, that's PRIMITIVE Bronze age, even neolithic tech.

European Oppida had that in the late bronze to early iron age around their cities as well back when they were underdeveloped.

Motte and Bailey forts also had the same mortared stone over rammed earth.

This was considered primitive to Greco-Roman vertical brick walls, which in turn was later considered primitive to steel-stone composite structures allowing for tall vertical walls, cathedrals etc.

None of these are relevant to start forts either as they are a special kind of brick combined with earth structure only in the outer walls, while having tall vertical citadels and cannon towers which Chinese were never able to build.

China won't understand because Chinese could only build with primitive wood, oldest Chinese structures are only 200 years old (ignore reconstructions and other copes).

Chinese never invented strong rebar concrete and still put straw into concrete of recipes they got from Westerners to this day.

Chinese add weird shit like animal blood to concrete thinking it strengthens, very stupid people.

Chinese city walls were really shitty, got BTFO by Japanese using Western cannons.

Japanese smarter than Chinese, able to adapt instead of ignorant arrogance thinking they are smarter than everyone despite constantly losing to outsiders.

>>17955602
>Mongols are the one conquering people that didn't really rape, they razed and butchered cities wiping them out completely and only leaving a few survivors to spread the message.

Mongols spared all the women and mass raped then when exterminating an enemy

Kazakhstan

>>17955615
>many other peoples) while Europe was not.

The Huns, Avars, Moors, Bulgars Carthaginians and Ottomans were all outside invaders who conquered and raped

Attila the Hun conquered and raped from Hungary to the Netherlands.

The Avars ruled Hungary after the Huns

Ottoman Turks and Bulgar Turks both conquered Bulgaria and Ottomans conquered Hungary

Carthage conquered Spain and Sicily.

Moors conquered Spain and Sicily

Nomadic Alans conquered Spain

>>17956121

Tang dynasty China defeated the Gokturk Eastern Turkic Khaganate and conquered Mongolia (Protectorate General to Pacify the North) and Central Asia (Protectorate general to pacify the West)

The Turks were driven out of Mongolia by China to Anatolia and Crimea.

>>17956139
The Mongols also sent a scouting part all the way to Ukraine in 1223 where they defeated Kiev at the battle of Kalka river.

This is while they didn't even defeat the Jin in northern China until 1234.

Keep in mind Northern China is closer to Mongolia than Khwarezm and Ukraine

Southern China is closer to Mongolia than Hungary and Baghdad.

The Mongols comquered and raped Khwarezm before the Jin fell

Mongols mass raped Hungary and sacked Baghdad while Southern Song controlled all of Southern China

>>17956206
>China won't understand because Chinese could only build with primitive wood, oldest Chinese structures are only 200 years old (ignore reconstructions and other copes).

Blatant lie, the oldest standing building in China is the stone wild goose pagodas from the Tang dynasty, the small wild goose pagoda is from 707-709 and the big wild goose pagoda is from 704

Both those pagoda are made out of fired brick.

Oldest standing wooden building in China is Pagoda of Fogong Temple from 1056.

The Forbidden city itself is from the early 1400s, the stone walls of Xi'an are from the 1380s.

None of those are reconstuctions, unlike Japanese who rebuild castles out of concrete in the 1960s.

> walls were really shitty, got BTFO by Japanese using Western cannons.

The Japanese themselves said their cannons failed to penetrate Chinese city walls.

Japanese armies were massacred three times at the Changsha city walls because their western artillery kept bouncing off the exteriors

Japanese besieged Hengyang for over a month and two weeks (60,000 Japanese died against 16,000 Chinese defenders)

You haven't read a single Japanese account. They said themselves their shells didn't do shit to the walls.

>>17956192
>Crimean Tatars

This is not a European race. Meanwhile every race on Earth cummed inside their women (mostly European men lol, from Peter the Great's army raping them) and you are proud of the little crumbs your overlords gave you some Turkic women to cum in? LMFAO

Anyway Tatars don't live in any of the regions you were talking about, they live in Russia far outside Europe's heartland and they are not Europeans, they are Tatars, so of course they never accomplished any raping of Europeans by definition

According to your cope claims there should be O3 in Spain? Where is it? There is European R1* in Han China and tons of and plenty of C* Mongol cum inside your women's wombs to this day

>These remains are in Mongolia retard, not China

Yes, but they raped you princesses from there, you handed it to them like cucks to avoid fighting. Later Mongols raped you and many Mongols carry R* DNA, even the "Others" pie chart in your pic is nice cope, my data shows basically all of that is R* and you know it.

Because Mongol Men had some West Eurasian DNA from earlier Xiongnu rape of proto-Mongols

According to your map almost a full 20% of sperm in Han Chinese race carries foreign DNA to Han wombs to this day LMAO

>Xiongnu, Xianbei and Kublai Khan all gave their own daughters in marriage to Han generals and princes

Yes, even greater mutification of Han lmao

Best thing that ever happened to China was the American world order protecting the from constant rape trains of everyone on Earth

>>17955597
>Chinese medieval forts were primitive rammed Earth, they were not even able to build vertical stone walls.

Again, a blatant lie, Chinese built forts and walls out of stone and brick with mortar.

>More importantly plate armour knights were superior to the primitive bronze age lammellar armour of the Chinese and Mongols.

Chinese were aware of all types of armour, Chinese knew about chain mail in the Tang dynasty

>conquered by Steppe barbarians multiple times in its history.

Huns Avars Bulgars Ottomans Moors

>>17955615
>A common feature of Chinese siege warfare shows this issue where insurgents regularly simply just climb over these walls and attack the garrison at night.

Escalade happened in Europe all the time retard.

Also you're lying, Chinese has regular stone and brick fortifications and crenellations and bastions and towers on the walls.
>>17955685
It's you people bragging about muh stone castles which the Ottomans overran and starting shit.

>>17956241
C2a in Han is not the same subclade as Mongol C2* star cluster retard

The different subclades of C split apart in prehistoric times

If all C2 and R1 is the same, then all Q1a is from Turks and all J1 and J2 is from Semites like Carthage raping you.

There's R1 subclades that split apart thousands of years ago as well

Indian R1a and Iranic R1a are different subclades from European R1a.

>>17956241
>Anyway Tatars don't live in any of the regions you were talking about,

Crimean Tatars live in Crimea and Dobruja in Romania.

All of those lands were originally entitled Indo-European with zero O3 until the Turks and Mongols invaded.

>>17956196
All of those subclades are from pre-ethonogensis neolithic migrations, they are not shared at all by the claimed races. The only exception is Q which is from EBA.

>>17956241
>Yes, but they raped you princesses from there

The Qin dynasty raped the Xiongnu in the very first war between Xiongnu and China.

Qin general Meng Tian ethnic cleansed Xiongnu from the Ordos loop

The Han dynasty married off several fake princesses (who weren't daughters of the emperor)

The Xiongnu, Xianbei and Mongol rulers married off their real daughters to Han men.

Yenisei Kyrgyz and other steppe nomad leaders claimed descent from Han general Li Ling and his Xiongnu princess wife.

>my data shows basically all of that is R* and you know

Zero source for your Pie chart

Also Iranics (R1a-z93) aren't Europeans, Iranic Alans invaded and raped you along with the Huns and made it to Spain

Eastern Iranics also have O3.

Pashtun Jadoon tribe is O3 majority

There are Tajiks and Persians with O3

R1a-Z93 is a Pashtun haplogroup and doesn't belong to you unless you're descended from Alan rape.

Han married with Eastern Iranics for 2000 years.

>>17956252
C2 in Han is from pre-ethnogensis neolothic migrations and has nothing to do with Mongols.

Iranics have O3a and R1-z93 is less than 1% in China.

Iranic people like Sogdians, Pashtuns and Tajiks are not European Germanics

R1a-Z93 belongs to Esstern Iranics not to the rapebabies of Attila the Hun, whether Anglo Saxon or Dutch or German.

Han people have been marrying Iranic people for 2000 years.

There are Iranics who also carry O3 Y DNA.

Why is Attila's rapebaby trying to Kang on Iranics?

>>17956241
>>17956252
>>17956263
Also, R1a labeled as Han on tests are just ex-Muslim Hui whose families left Islam and got incorrectly labelled as Han

Han in Gansu have the same percentage of R1a that Eastern Iranics have of O3 Y-DNA

That is, less than 1%.

Turkic Crimean Tatars, Nogays, Kazakhs also have O3 from Han

Europeans aren't the analogues here.

R1a-Z93 is purely Iranic. R1a-Z93 has nothing to do with Anglo Saxons or Poles or Germans

Han married Iranics, not Europeans.

Han have zero Y DNA fron Europe. Han have no Y-DNA from Spanish or Norwegians.

Han men married Sogdian women in Dunhuang Gansu and in Sogdia and O3 Y-DNA is found in former Sogdia.

Pashtun R1a-z93 Yousafzai men will give their daughters in marriage to O3 Jadoon men.

They will kill any European trying to marry their daughters whether a different subclade of R1a or R1b

Gansu Han are majority O3 and those O3 carriers have autosomal West Eurasian
People of Liqian in Gansu have significant west Eurasian autosomal DNA (their paternal Y DNA is 99% Han)

Han in Dunhuang in Gansu married Sogdian women 1,700-1,400 years ago, and are shorter than Shandong.


Gansu was originally inhabited by barbarians like Tocharian Yuezhi and Xirong like Quanrong and Qiang.

Qin and Han dynasty China conquered Gansu and moved Han soldiers and exiles there 2,000 years ago.

Han men in Dunhuang married Sogdian women in the period from Cao Wei to the Tang dynasty.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/miwnay-sogdian-1700

http://researchgate.net/publication/376558253_Inferring_the_demographic_history_of_Hexi_Corridor_over_the_past_two_millennia_from_ancient_genomes

Copied from another thread:

The Hun rapebaby tried sneakily comparing Han in Gansu (cherrypicked sample) to ALL east Iranics

Instead of all Han to all East Iranics.

Cherrypicking specific Pashtun tribes like Jadoon in Swabi and Kazakh tribes like Naiman will lead to rates of over 70% O3 in Eastern Iranics and Turkics.

Also, there's not even a source for his claim about Han in Gansu.

R1a is less than 1% among all Gansu Han.

Less than 1% in Liqian.

Salars, Dongxiang (both in Gansu) and Uyghurs have far higher rates of R1a.

>Omanis, Turks and Iranic Hoehoe (Huihui) moved to Korea during Yuan dynasty-Goryeo and founded clans by marrying Korean women like Deoksu Jang, Sanggok Ma, Imcheon Lee, Gyeongju Sol.

These clans are considered ethnic Korean today, and they have Central Asian male paternal ancestry and Y-DNA.

>The Omani Sayyid Abu Ali married a Korean woman in Beijing during Kublai Khan's rule and founded an Omani-Korean Hui family. His children lived in Beijing and Quanzhou.

Also, most R1a labeled as Han on tests are just ex-Muslim Hui whose families left Islam and got incorrectly labelled as Han

Nader Shah Afshar with O3 Y-DNA

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17520415/#q17520415

East Iranic Pashtun Jadoon tribe is 76.32% O3-M122 .

Combined with another East Asian haplogroup Q-MEH2, Jadoon are 82.5% paternally East Asian.

Their autosomal DNA and mtdna is West Eurasian

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16289104/#q16289104

>>17956278

Koreans are shorter than Shandong Han, and Koreans have multiple clans founded by Iranic and Turkic and Omani marrying Korean women.

Salar Turk Semu who migrated to Qinghai settled on Tibetan land and married Tibetan women

Iranic Sart Semu from Central Asia who moved to Gansu married Mongols and produced the Mongolic speaking Dongxiang and Bonan minorities.

Omanis, Turks and Iranic Hoehoe (Huihui) moved to Korea during Yuan dynasty-Goryeo and founded clans by marrying Korean women like Deoksu Jang, Sanggok Ma, Imcheon Lee, Gyeongju Sol.

The Omani Sayyid Abu Ali married a Korean woman in Beijing during Kublai Khan's rule and founded an Omani-Korean Hui family. His children lived in Beijing and Quanzhou.


Tibetan women and Korean women all married Central Asian Iranic and Turkic men and Gulf Omani men

Han are the only East Asian men who married Central Asian women like Sogdian women

>>17956241
>>17956282

Han men and Indo-European Sogdian women
http://researchgate.net/publication/376558253_Inferring_the_demographic_history_of_Hexi_Corridor_over_the_past_two_millennia_from_ancient_genomes

>To some degree, observed mixed East Eurasian–west Eur-asian ancestry is unsurprising given Dunhuang’s internationalimportance from the Han Dynasty to the Tang Dynasty, experienc-ing the arrival of merchants from further west and the introductionof Buddhism during these centuries. Their activities were materi-ally immortalized in the Dunhuang Grottes art and thousands of documents in multiple languages unearthed at Dunhuang caves. Surprisingly, results showed an increased proportion of western Eurasian-related ancestry on the X chromosome compared to auto-somes in both Foyemiaowan_Cao-Wei_o and Foyemiaowan_-Tang_o (Fig. S8c and Table S3C online). These outlier individualsexhibited a prominent female bias for western Eurasian-relatedancestry under a single pulse admixture model. Interestingly, asimilar pattern was observed in the Khitan and Mongol empires[5]. However, a lack of archaeological and ancient DNA studieson the sociocultural patterns (e.g., patrilocality or matrilocality;polygamy or polyandry) in the historical Hexi Corridor hinderedour ability to explain the female-biased admixture with westernEurasian-related ancestry. However, historical documents andTang poetry indicate that marriages between Han males and non-Han females were common. Silk Road prosperity, furthermore,not only facilitated economic and cultural exchange between Eastand West but also contributed to the growth of transnational pop-ulation movements. Fragments of the household registers of Tang Dingxing (唐定兴等户残卷) among other Dunhuang documentsrecord instances of people keeping servants from the Western Regions [14]. This practice may have played a significant role inthe marriage between Han males and non-Han females

>>17956241
>>17956285
Sogdian man wrote to his own Sogdian wife and daughter telling her to sell herself to Han men

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/miwnay-sogdian-1700

https://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/76002/1/From%2520Samarkand%2520to%2520Chang%25E2%2580%2599an--The%2520Regionality%2520of%2520Sogdian%2520Cultural%2520Identity%2520during%2520the%2520Tang%2520Dynasty.pdf

https://peachv.org/images/Steppe/SteppeSogdianDiasporaSkaff.pdf


Sogdian men sold Sogdian girls to Han men.

https://archive.ph/AqE2X

>In 731 a Han Chinese called Tang Rong 唐榮 from the capital district bought an 11 year old slave girl Shimaner 失滿兒 from Mi Lushan 米祿山, a Sogdian ...

https://scispace.com/pdf/the-sogdian-trade-diaspora-in-east-turkestan-during-the-2ums76afry.pdf

https://www.academia.edu/1837301/The_Sogdian_Trade_Diaspora_in_East_Turkestan_during_the_Seventh_and_Eighth_Centuries

https://history.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/hansen-silk-road-trade.pdf

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-institutional-economics/article/socialleverage-mechanism-on-the-silk-road-the-private-emergence-of-institutions-in-central-asia-from-the-7th-to-the-9th-century/F4831CEC446542CB9709829A1E061A0D

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385046050_TUKHARISTAN_BETWEEN_THE_560S_AND_750S_POLITICS_DIPLOMACY_AND_INTERNATIONAL_TRADE

https://dokumen.pub/les-sogdiens-en-chine-2855396530.html

https://www.academia.edu/124841248/%25E1%25B9%25ACUKH%25C4%2580RIST%25C4%2580N_BETWEEN_THE_560S_AND_750S_Historical_Geography_of_Central_Asia

>>17956209
>The Huns, Avars, Moors, Bulgars Carthaginians and Ottomans were all outside invaders who conquered and raped

They all lost and died.

Half of them we even conquered and salted their homelands.

Chinese never did this, Chinese lost _their heartlands, not just border states_ and were then ruled for several centuries.

Most of Chinese history is being ruled by foreigners and never taking revenge on them.

>>17956229
>tone wild goose pagodas

Built in 2002:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Wild_Goose_Pagoda
>In December 2002, demolition and reconstruction officially began on the north side of the Big Wild Goose Pagoda

Why are you trying to lie? This is what Chinese historians tell us, not some Japanese with an agenda, Chinese historians admit this tragedy. No need to lie.

>Pagoda of Fogong Temple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagoda_of_Fogong_Temple#Preservation

This is the only one I might agree with you, but it's never been authenticated by international scholars. I will withhold judgement until then.

>The Forbidden city itself is from the early 1400s, the stone walls of Xi'an are from the 1380s.

No, the Forbidden city is a tourist reconstruction, it was rebuilt using modern Western concrete (for the most impressive parts) just like Japanese castles were. The original looked like picrel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Forbidden_City
>In 1949, the People's Republic of China was proclaimed at Tiananmen, directly in front of the Forbidden City. Over the next two decades various proposals were made to raze or reconstruct the Forbidden City to create a public park, a transport interchange, or "places of entertainment".[29]

>, the stone walls of Xi'an are from the 1380s.

>t has been refurbished many times since it was first built in the 14th century with the most important three reconstructions occurring in the late 1500s, in the late 1700s, and in 1983.

The 1380s walls looked nothing like the 1700 early modern era walls btw.

>>17955263 (OP)
>Why do people pretend Mongols didn't conquer Hungary
Because they didn't, the second invasion was disastrous
>and castles saved them?
They did, among other things

>>17956278

Liqian people have 56% West Eurasian Autosomal, but 99% East Eurasian paternal Y DNA

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11/20/content_11581539.htm

>Cai Junnian has yellow wavy hair, a hooked nose and green eyes. A DNA test in 2005 confirmed he is of 56 percent European origin. It made him famous almost overnight.

Cherrypicking retard, why are you comparing only Han in Gansu (yourstatement is a lie with no source btw) to ALL Eastern Iranics?

I can do the same, the Iranic Jadoon tribe in Swabi is over 70% O3 while Han people have less than 1% R1a.

The Kazakh Naiman tribe is over 68% O3 while Han have less than 1% R1a

Tibetan R1a is Central Asian origin, mediated via Salar Turkmen
>Salars have less West Eurasian autosomal DNA than Liqian.

>Liqian are paternally Han.

>Salar Turkmen men married Tibetan women for centuries since 1370 and they bred all the Central Asian autosomal out and only left the Central Asian paternal haplogroups

>You haven't posted a single study for your bullshit claims.

>Salars and Dongxiang are the ones with 30% R1a.

>Salars look exactly like Tibetans.
>That's a lie retard lmao.

>Even in Liqian which has heavily autosomal Indo European DNA and blonde hair (not 95% autosomal Han), the majority of paternal haplogroups are Han.

>Pashtun Jadoon tribe is over 75% O3 paternally while the majority of their mtdna is Indo-European

Uyghurs, Salars, Dongxiang all have the highest rates of R1a in China.

Salars mtdna and autosomal is all from Tibetan women while they have heavy R1a

Uyghurs have like 40% R1a

Han people have over 99% East Eurasian Y DNA

>>17956242
>Again, a blatant lie, Chinese built forts and walls out of stone and brick with mortar.

They were all rammed with stone layers, there are 0 vertical walls in China, they couldn't build them.

>Chinese were aware of all types of armour, Chinese knew about chain mail in the Tang dynasty

Knowing does equal being able to manufacture at scale as developed regions were able to, besides Tang is 3 centuries after everyone else had them.

Chinese armour was shitty lammallar bronze age armour because they did not value the lives of their peasant soldiery.

>Huns Avars Bulgars Ottomans Moors

All defeated and destroyed.

>Escalade happened in Europe all the time retard.

Try reading non-Chinese history once in a while.

>Also you're lying, Chinese has regular stone and brick fortifications and crenellations and bastions and towers on the walls.

Only since the early modern era, they got it from Europe.

>It's you people bragging about muh stone castles which the Ottomans overran and starting shit.

You literally started your thread whining about Europe and trying to denigrate Europeans.

Europeans won against all the foreign hordes you lost to.

Maybe just git gud?

>>17956292
>Chinese never did this, Chinese lost _their heartlands, not just border states_ and were then ruled for several centuries.

Liar, Han Chinese conquered and raped all those people before

Qin dynasty General Meng Tian ethnically cleansed Xiongnu from the Ordos loop in Inner Mongolia in the first war between China and nomads.

Han dynasty destroyed the Northern Xiongnu in Outer Mongolia under General Dou Xian, who inscribed his victory into the Yanran mountains where the Chinese inscription still stands today in Outer Mongolia.

The Northern Xiongnu fled to Europe to become Huns under Attila.

This was centuries before the first Xiongnu dynasty.

In fact, Sogdians describe the southern Xiongnu who rebelled against Han Chinese of western Jin, as slaves of Han. They said the Xiongnu were property of the Chinese emperor before rebelling

The Jie nomad leader Shi Le was a slave of Han Chinese and even given Shi Le as his slave name, before he rebelled against Han

After Shi Le founded his dynasty, Han people under Ran Min destroyed it and genocided the Jie and killed 250,000 Jie

Tang dynasty China conquered all of Mongolia when defeating the Eastern Turkic Khaganate in 630 and ruled it as Protectorate General to Pacify the North

The Gokturk Orkhon stele in Outer Mongolia even whines about how Tang China conquered and enslaved their women

Tang dynasty also repeatedly campaigned against the Mongolic Khitan and divided their women as booty

This was centuries before Genghis Khan and Mongol empire

The Ming dynasty also sacked Outer Mongolia's cities like Karakorum after overthrowing the Yuan dynasty

The Ming dynasty conquered the Jurchens (Manchus) and ruler them as the Nurgan regional military commission and Jianzhou Jurchen guard

The Ming had Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and Ming sliced Jurchen rebel chief Wang Gao to death

This was before the Qing dynasty

Manchus were also mass slaughtered and raped when Qing fell in 1911, in Xi'an, Wuhan, Zhenjiang

>>17956292

>In December 2002, demolition and reconstruction officially began on the north side of the Big Wild Goose Pagoda

That's talking about construction of the Plaza to the north of the Pagoda you dumb Hun rapebaby, not the Pagoda itself

> In early 2001, the South Square of the Big Wild Goose Pagoda was officially completed in front of Daci’en Temple. Covering an area of 32.6 acres, the square includes a statue of Xuanzang, landscaped gardens, granite paving, and a water bridge, among other facilities.[16] In December 2002, demolition and reconstruction officially began on the north side of the Big Wild Goose Pagoda. In March 2003, construction of the North Plaza of the Big Wild Goose Pagoda commenced, and by December 2003, it was completed. The entire plaza stretches 300 meters from north to south and 450

>. The original looked like picrel

Picrel is not the main gate of the Forbidden city, that part looks exactly the same as it does today.

You're trying to pass off one building as a completely separate part of the Forbidden city to claim they look different

>>17956248
>C2a in Han is not the same subclade as Mongol C2* star cluster retard
Cope.

>Indian R1a and Iranic R1a are different subclades from European R1a.

It is all originally from Europe CWC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture
> Allentoft et al. (2015) concluded from their genetic results that the Sintashta culture should have emerged from an eastward migration of peoples from the Corded Ware culture.[19]

>Crimean Tatars live in Crimea and Dobruja in Romania.

They were allowed to live there, but are still not Europeans and were raped so often they are 50% European paternal DNA now, so I don't see the big deal.

China allows many non-Han people to live in their lands too.

>>17956259
Xiongnu raped your princesses lol.

>Also Iranics (R1a-z93) aren't Europeans
They are, from earlier Aryan conquests, see picrel.

>>17956263
>C2 in Han is from pre-ethnogensis neolothic migrations and has nothing to do with Mongols.
Are you 100% sure about that or is that what your CCP approved historians told you to keep the peace? Because I don't see that in Archeogenetic evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_East_Asians#Han_Chinese

According to this there was no Q and C pre Zhou dynasty, and even after there was only 2-4%. Today it is a much bigger percentage? Does seem like Mongol semen.

>>17956292
Hun and Iranic Alan Y-DNA in Europe
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/383891196_The_Huns_in_Scandinavia_A_new_approach_centered_around_modern_DNA

https://demokrata.hu/world/descendants-of-the-huns-are-living-in-todays-sweden-exclusive-interview-899486/

https://www.academia.edu/87950565/The_Huns_in_Scandinavia_A_new_approach_centered_around_modern_DNA

https://www.academia.edu/126712215/The_Huns_and_their_allies_in_Scandinavia

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-S15948/story

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5

China ruled Mongolia before the Mongol empire existed.

Mongolia still has the Yanran inscriptions from the Han dynasty and Orkhon stele from the Tang dynasty talking about how China conquered Mongolia

Also nomads from Ukraine never conquered China, it was nomads from Mongolia doing it in Europe.

>>17956139
Your worthless paternal side were mere Han slaves sucking on the cocks of Mongols and Semu colored eye westerners.

Han Chinese slaves didn't win a single battle against their Mongol masters in an entire century.

>Liar, the Jin dynasty fell in 1234, and the Mongols comquered Khwarezmia before that in 1219-1221
Northern China was conquered in the 1210's. Tangut Western Xia were conquered in 1210 and most of the Jin Dynasty was conquered by 1219 before the last holdouts were conquered in 1234.

Khawarzmian Empire wasn't defeated until 1231 and the Mongols didn't pacify it until 1260 when the last of the holdouts in the region were stopped. The Mongols conquered and raped the Northern Han Chinese before the Khwarazmians fell.

>Keep in mind Northern China is closer to Mongolia than Khwarezm and Ukraine
No it isn't, retard. Kazakhstan and Altai are closer to Mongolia than Xi'an or Kaifeng is.

>Han generals like Shi Bingzhi, Guo Baoyu, Zhang Rou and Liu Heima
Mongols used millions of these Han Chinese slaves as fodder.

>>17956345
This is a map of Mongol star cluster

The tests for the Mongol C2 star cluster show almost all Mongol C2* appearing in inner Mongolia, Outer Mongolia Kazakhstan and Hazarajat and none among Han C2.

Native Americans and Japanese also have C2

>They were allowed to live there, but are still not Europeans and were raped

Crimean Tatars have West eurasian autosomal and mtdna.

The entire presence of O3 and C2 ij the region is an outside intrusion, their Mongol and Turkic ancestors mixed with Iranics and then the resulting Mongol-Turkic-Iranic people mass raped Goths and Genoans in Crimea.

O3 and C2 was 0% there 2,000 years ago.

>raped your princesses

Xiongnu married off their own princess to Han men like Li Ling, Li Guangli, Sima Jinlong.

Han men like Su Wu and Zhang Qian all received Xiongnu wives.

>According to this there was no Q and C pre Zhou dynasty,

Your source literally says Q1a1 appeared in northern China in the early Zhou, and there was no nomadic conquest of China back them.

Where's your source about C retard? Also that Q1a1 subclade sn't found among nomads today

Pre-Zhou China didn't even rule Hebei or north Shanxi retard

Not all of modern Han provinces were Han back then

Northern Shanxi, Northern Hebei were originally barbarian Beidi states of Zhongshan and Dai that the Zhou dynasty states conquered.

East Shandong belonged to Dongyi barbarians and Gansu belonged to Xirong barbarians, before the Zhou dynasty and Qin dynasty conquered them.

Gansu, northern Hebei, northern Shanxi, northern Shaanxi and Eastern Shandong were originally all barbarian.

>>17956156
>Kublai Khan gave Korean women to all Southern Song soldiers who capitulated and defected
This has nothing to do with what I said. You lie and deflect like you did here >>17956139 when you're caught with facts that the Han are losers. The Mongols killed tens of millions of Han Chinese slaves and never lost one battle against them.

>Kublai Khan had to grant amnesty to all of Diaoyu's defenders decades later.
It doesn't matter as you claimed all of these places could've kept resisting, but the Han Chinese slaves surrendered instead of fighting.

>participated in the massacres of Jurchens, conquest of Khwarezmia, Baghdad, Hungary.
Mongols used millions of these Han Chinese slaves as fodder after they conquered China.

They never did it by themselves which is why the Northern Han were repeatedly raped and conquered by foreigners from the west and east and north.

>>17956333
LMFAO

What a fucking long lost of peoples you were forced to write down. And these people didn't just do a few raids before being butchered they CONQUERED and RAPED China for CENTURIES.

Literally for most of recorded history China was ruled by foreigners, not by Han.

The best part is instead of hating on the people who conquered them, they suck the cock of their masters.

And for some reason seethe at Europeans on the other side of the planet simply because Europeans easily fought off those hordes and regulated them to a footnote.

>>17956380
>The tests for the Mongol C2 star cluster show almost all Mongol C2* appearing in inner Mongolia, Outer Mongolia Kazakhstan and Hazarajat and none among Han C2.
This is insane chinkspammer babble.

Today BWC owns Han Chinese pussy while tiny microdick Han Chinese men kill themselves.

In 1250 Mongol and Semu Huihui cock owned Han Chinese pussy.

Look at all Mongol-related C2 the Northern Han carry from thousands of years of being raped by Xiongnu, Jie, Shatuo, Donghu, Xianbei, Mongols, Manchus, etc.

Southern Han don't have any of it because Northern Han were rape victims for their entire history.

>Native Americans and Japanese also have C2
None of it is from the Mongols while billions Han were fathered by Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Sogdians, Scythians, Japanese, Mongols, Turkics, Manchu, etc.

>>17956371
>Tangut Western Xia were conquered in 1210 and most of the Jin Dynasty was conquered by 1219 before the last holdouts were conquered in 1234.

Western Xia was conquered in 1227

The last "holdouts" were the entire yellow river valley like Henan province, Shandong and northern Anhui and Jiangsu.

All of this was done with Han generals and soldiers on the Mongol side fighting the Jurchens and Tanguts

>Khawarzmian Empire wasn't defeated until 1231

Those were the holdouts retard, the Khwarezmian holdouts on isolated islands in 1231

>the Mongols didn't pacify it until 1260 when the last of the holdouts in the region were stopped

Blatant lies, the Mongols sacked Aleppo and Damascus in Syria by 1260 which were far west of Khwarezmia.

Mongols and Guo Kan sacked Baghdad in 1258.

Khwarezmia didn't rule Iraq or Syria

The Ismaili castles which surrendered in 1256 did not belong to Khwarezmia.

>No it isn't, retard. Kazakhstan and Altai are closer to Mongolia than Xi'an or Kaifeng is.

Inner Mongolia, retard. More Mongols live in Inner Mongolia including the Ordos loop than Outer Mongolia

>slaves as fodder.

Han generals were directly married to Mongol women like Shi Gang and his brother.

They took loot and slaves, Guo Kan personally looted the caliph's palace.

The Han generals also ruled their own fiefdoms in northern China as part of the Mongol empire, they were called Shihou (hereditary lords)

The Shi family had their own hereditary fief in Hebei.

Kublai gave Korean women to Han soldiers.

>Semu colored eye

Semu meant associated categories, Mongoloid peoples like Onguds were also classified as Semu.

Han officials and generals were also sent west to Central Asia, Baghdad and Europe.

Han officials were posted in Samarqand and Bukhara and Shi Tianlin sent to Europe as a military judge.

Kublai Khan gave Korean women as wives to Semu like Omani Abu Ali and Central Asians like Jang Samga

He also gave Korean women to Han soldiers.

>>17956388
Let's not even get into the century of humiliation the Europeans inflicted on these worthless Han slaves.

Or how the Japanese easily fucked the Han even while Europeans and Americans were supplying and fighting to free the Han.

>>17956343
>That's talking about construction of the Plaza to the north of the Pagoda you dumb Hun rapebaby, not the Pagoda itself
No, that's the next sentence. The reconstruction sentence does refer to the Pagoda itself.

There are no other stone structures like that in China and its less impressive than stuff the Khmer civilization built. So who am I supposed to believe?

Your own historians dispute the facts surrounding the building saying floors were added later:

游城南記, 与高适薛据同登慈恩寺浮图

>Picrel is not the main gate of the Forbidden city, that part looks exactly the same as it does today.

Here is another pic with arail overview of the city. It looks absolutely nothing like it does post reconstruction.

Again I would be very open to accept evidence from you to the contrary.

The reconstructed version looks like a Western tourist trap using modern concrete rebar especially for the defensive structures in the front.

>>17956380
>Xiongnu married off their own princess to Han men like Li Ling, Li Guangli, Sima Jinlong.

Using "shove our pussies into the face of our conquerors so they don't hit us" as a survival strategy is never something to be proud of.

>>17955263 (OP)
So true. But you know who the mongols didn’t conquer?
Japan. Powerful Jomon BVLLs from Sakhalin launched Viking type raids on the Mongols and even mainland China terrorizing Chinese peasants.
Robust Japanese BVLLs descended from powerful Jomon bloodlines of thick limbed heavy bearded broad built sturdy Men dominated china.
Japan was a pioneer in aviation and maritime technology developing advanced aircraft while China still used sticks to carry buckets of water.
Japanese Males wielded artisan blades of thousand fold Japanese steel to slice Chinese “men” in half. Tall and Sturdy Japanese soldiers threw Chinese kids into the air and impaled them on bayonets for sport. The chinese were target practice for the Japanese imperial army.
China failed to stop any Japanese offensive and relied entirely on throwing women and children at the Japanese forces to slow them down until America saved China.
It took America, Britain, and France and atomic bombs to defeat the Imperial Army. China was defeated in a matter of weeks by Japanese foot soldiers.
China had to import aircraft from the United States because their peasant IQs were too low to produce anything resembling 20th century technology. The japanese natively produced high quality aircraft.

Made in China is today synonymous with prostitutes and cheap products of low quality.
Made in Japan is a premium tag that denotes high quality material and fine craftsmanship.

China isn’t a culture, the culture of China is whatever the Mongol Turkic Uigger or Jomon rapist elite left behind.

Japanese culture is an entire industry which fascinates and dazzles wealthy Westerners.

>>17956398
>Western Xia was conquered in 1227
That was the second conquest, retard. They were punished for betraying the Mongols.

> The last "holdouts" were the entire yellow river valley
It was already conquered by 1219. The last holdouts of the Jurchens were to the south of the yellow river like Caizhou.

> Those were the holdouts
No, it wasn't retard. The Khwarazmian Empire survived in 1231 in the Caucasus and Zagros mountains until the last sultan was killed by Kurdish bandits. The island holdouts were only for the dynasty members.

>The Ismaili castles which surrendered in 1256 did not belong to Khwarezmia.
Yes, they did retard. It was Kharazmian territory and the Ismaili were still fighting until the 1260's. On the other hand all of Northern China was conquered decades before this.

>Inner Mongolia, retard. More Mongols live in Inner Mongolia including the Ordos loop than Outer Mongolia
Genghis Khan wasn't from modern day Inner Mongolia, you retard.

Kazakhstan and Altai are closer to modern Mongolia where the Mongol Empire started than Xi'an or Kaifeng is.

>>17956394
Your OWN map shows 0% of Han south of the great wall (boundary beyween Han provinces and Inner Mongolia) carrying C2 star cluster

The ones in Inner Mongolia are sinicised ethnic Mongols in urban Inner Mongolia who fprgot their ethnic identity and speak Mamdarin, due to influx of Han settlers in Inner Mongolia. They never lived in Han provinces ever

Also your map shows both Inner and Outer Mongols mostly carry other Y DNA like O3, since C2 isn't the majority in the samples among Mongols

>, Manchus

You map shows Manchus in their homeland Mamchuria were raped by Mongols, they carry Mongol C2 star cluster while no Han south of the great wall

The original Jurchens never carried that before the Mongols raped them

>Xiongnu, Jie,
Both of these were slaves of Han Chinese who rebelled and Ran Min genocided the Jie killing 250,000 of them.

Jie emperor Shi Le was slave to a Han official

>Donghu

Donghu referred to Mongol people's living in Manchuria and have nothing to do with Han China

>Shatuo, , Xianbei,

Shatuo first served the Tang dynasty in killing and raping other Turkic peoples like the Uyghurs

Shatuo fought alongside Han general Shi Xiong in destroying the Uyghur Khaganate

>Xianbei

These people were vassals of Han during Western Jin, and the Xianbei Tuoba and Murong married their princesses off fo Han men

Han governor Zhang Gui mass beheaded Xianbei during Western Jin in Gansu

>Europeans, Arabs,
Arabs raped Spanish and Sicilian Europeans, not China

>Persians,
Persians invaded and raped in the eastern Balkans durig their Scythian campaigns, they never invaded China

>Sogdians, Scythians,
Sogdians sold their own daughters to Han men

why does chinkspammer have beef with hungarians now?

>>17956394
>>17956428
Scythians had nothing to do with China

>Japanese,

The Soviets mass raped Hungary and Austria and eastern Germany in World War II

Moroccan Goumiers also raped Austria and west Germany and Italy.

Multiple Chinese provinces were never occupied in WW2.

Han men also did sex tourism in Japan in the entire Meiji era

>Mongols, Turkics,
These people mass raped Hungary and East Austria.

>Manchu

Ming dynasty already raped them in Nurgan

>>17956401
>into the century of humiliation the Europeans inflicted on these worthless

Spain was getting raped by Riffian Moroccans during this time in the Spanish civil war

>Europeans and Americans were supplying and fighting to free the Han.

Soviets were raping Hungary at this time.

The Netherlands, Britain and America openly supplied 90% of Japan's war materials against China from 1937-1940

China defeated Japan at Kunlun pass in 1940, forcing Japan to invade French Indochina which triggered the Dutch-UK-America embargo against Japan.

>>17956408
>No, that's the next sentence. The reconstruction sentence does refer to the Pagoda

No it doesn't.

>Here is another pic with arail overview of the city. It looks absolutely nothing like it does post

Show us the modern picture of the EXACT same view for comparison retard.

>>17956428
>Your OWN map shows 0% of Han south of the great wall (boundary beyween Han provinces and Inner Mongolia) carrying C2 star cluster
It's scientific map, retard. The Han "south of the Great Wall" are all Southern Han since they didn't have that data.

However, the new data shows the Han along the Yellow River also have Mongol haplogroups.

>The ones in Inner Mongolia are sinicised ethnic Mongols
Nope, these are Han settlers from Shandong and Shanxi who were raped their entire history by peoples from the steppe.

Just like the other Han in Manchuria, Xinjiang, and Gansu are also from the Yellow River but still full of Mongol C2. Northern Han were always conquered and raped.

>Also your map shows both Inner and Outer Mongols mostly carry other Y DNA like O3, since C2 isn't the majority in the samples among Mongols
Yes, there's plenty of other haplogroups the Mongols, Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Sogdians, Scythians, Japanese, Mongols, Turkics, Manchu, raped into the Han Chinese.

Not to mention the ethnicities like the Armenians, Georgians, Kurds, Tajiks, Turkmen don't have Mongol haplogroups.

The Koreans and Japanese also don't have the Mongol haplogroups.

You keep bitching about the few Korean princesses while ignoring millions of Han princesses sucking on Mongol and BWC.

That's why Koreans don't have Mongol haplogroups but Han rapebabies do.

>>17956431
>800 years ago Mongols invaded China, destroyed their cities and culture, killed their men who resisted, raped their women
>Hungarians will pay for this!

>>17956437
>The Netherlands, Britain and America openly supplied 90% of Japan's war materials against China from 1937-1940
These were bought and paid for by Japan. Europeans and Americans literally gave 100% of Chinese military equipment from 1937-1949.

It was also the American journalists who recorded photographs of the Japanese raping and genociding Han Chinese slaves.

Pictures and testimony from the Japanese rape of millions of Han Chinese in Nanking literally swayed Western opinion against Japan.

Here you are an ungrateful micropenis SEA Han mutt bastard bitching about your white master.

Go back to fighting the Iraqi Arab.

Or did too many BWC fuck your Han mom and sister?

>>17956388
Just to let you know the Chinkspammer is literally a Han + Southeast Asian mutt. A fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

H was fighting with some Iraqi but all his female relatives are sucking BWC and he is mad.

That's why he's attacking random European countries.

>>17956427
>That was the second conquest,

Western Xua submitted as vassals (not conquered) the furst time and then fought the Jin dynasty

>south of the yellow river like Caizhou.

This area (Kaifeng, Caizhou and the Wei River valley in Shaanxi) is the most populous part of Northern China retard.

Southern Song was also fighting the Jin.

>It was Kharazmian territory and the Ismaili were still fighting until the 1260's.

Ismailis were enemies of Khwarezmians retard. They were independent of Khwarezmia

Girdkuh was the only one fighting on like I already mentioned, like Lingxiao in the 1280s

>Genghis Khan wasn't from modern day Inner Mongolia, you retard.

Genghis was born in Eastern Outer Mongolia which isn't closer to Kazakhstan.

And that doesn't change the fact that the majority of Mongols lived in Inner Mongolia.

>>17956423
> France

France didn't fight in this war retard

>and atomic bombs

Chinese scientist Wu Chien-shiung helped build the atomic bombs.

>China was defeated in a matter of weeks

Japan was still getting defeated in China in 1945 (battle of West Hunan, battle of west Henan, Second Guangxi campaign)

Japan never occupied entire provinces like Gansu, Ningxia, Shaanxi, Sichuan

>The japanese natively produced high quality aircraft.

Chinese engineer Wong Tsu designed Boeing Model C in 1916, one of the furst aircraft used by the US Navy.

Hsue-Chu Tsien also designed aorcraft for the US and his cousin Qian Xuesen worked on the US missile program

Japan was hiring Germans like Ruchard Vogt and the British Sempill mission for aircraft designs

The Ainu were enemies of the Yamato.

The Ainu raided Mongols not Yamato

The Mongols massacred Yamato at the battle of Hakata Bay in 1271 only the Kamikaze storm saved Japan.

Chinese did sex tourism in Japan, Sun Yatsen had two Japanese teenage concubines Haru Asada and Kaoru Otsuki.

>>17956459
Lmfao it all makes sense now.

His BWC daddy abandoned his SEA babymama and Chinspammer is the result.

>>17956443
>It's scientific map, retard. The Han "south of the Great Wall" are all Southern Han since they didn't have that data.

Northern Han live south of the great wall retard

>these are Han settlers from Shandong and Shanxi who were

Your own map shows 0% C2 star cluster in Shanxi and Shandong.

>Just like the other Han in Manchuria,

Your own map shows Heilongjiang Han in Manchuria have ZERO % C2 star cluster

Heilongjiang Han are settlers from Shandong

>Not to mention the ethnicities like the Armenians, Georgians, Kurds, Tajiks, Turkmen don't have Mongol haplogroups.

Tajiks and Turkmen do

>Mongols, Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Sogdians, Scythians, Japanese, Mongols, Turkics, Manchu,

Arabs raped Spain and Sicily.

Scythian Alans raped Spain and also colonised Hungary

Mongols and Turks raped Hungary

Persians raped the eastern Balkans in Darius Scythian campaigns.

Sogdians sold their own women to Han men in Dunhuang.

>>17956443
>>17956474
Actual ethnic Mongol historian from the royal Borjigin clan, Borjigin Burensain says Mongol princes married off Mongol women to Han Chinese men.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414134

>>14414124

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931

>>13224931

Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.

Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368

Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls

>>17956431
Tell that to Hungarian Amerimutts obsessed with China.

You are responsible for your Amerimutt diaspora

>>17956447
>, killed their men who resisted, raped their women

Mongols and their Crimean Tatar descendants did that in Hungary.

Hungarian Americans/Canadians started this beef with China.

>>17955263 (OP)
>Why do people pretend Mongols didn't conquer Hungary and castles saved them?
>Hungarian castles didn't stop the Crimean Khanate and Ottomans.
Anon, when people talk about the Mongols they are talking about the Mongol empire during the 13th century not some Ottoman client State in the 16th. Don't be so autistic.
Going by the rest of your posts this all just seems like actually wanted to talk about Chinese castles, which would have been fine for a thread on its own so no idea why you felt compelled to seethe about Hungarian castles.

>>17956394
>Northern Han live south of the great wall
They aren't depicted in the image, retard. However, more recent data has shown the Shanxi and Shandong have plenty of Mongol and other foreign haplogroups since Shandong and Shanxi were raped like the rest of the Yellow River.

>Your own map shows 0% C2 star cluster in Shanxi and Shandong.
There is no depiction of them in the map, retard.

>Your own map shows Heilongjiang Han in Manchuria have ZERO % C2 star cluster
Liaoning Han are Manchurian and they also have Mongolian haplogroups.

>Tajiks and Turkmen do
Not the Mongol C2 cluster. Han Chinese have a lot of Mongol C2.

>Arabs raped Spain and Sicily.

>Scythian Alans raped Spain and also colonised Hungary

>Mongols and Turks raped Hungary

>Persians raped the eastern Balkans in Darius Scythian campaigns.
Where is the genetic evidence?

Han Chinese are proven to be rape babies of the Mongols, Xiongnu, Jie, Shatuo, Donghu, Xianbei, Manchus, etc.

Han Chinese are proven to be rape babies of Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Sogdians, Scythians, and Japanese.

Your Han side of your shitty ancestry has haplogroups from all over West Eurasia and East Asia.

>>17956497
>ard. However, more recent data has shown the Shanxi and Shandong

Zero source

>Liaoning Han are Manchurian

Liaoning Han aren't even depicted in the images retard.
>Not the Mongol C2 cluster

Yes they do.

Forgot to post map here
>>17956380

This is a map of Mongol star cluster

The tests for the Mongol C2 star cluster show almost all Mongol C2* appearing in inner Mongolia, Outer Mongolia Kazakhstan and Hazarajat and none among Han C2.

>>17956497
>Your Han side of your shitty ancestry has haplogroups from all over West Eurasia and East Asia.

Zero source. Where is the genetic evidence?

Spanish people have North African E1b subclades.

>>17956464
>Chinese scientist Wu Chien-shiung
He was a worthless Han slave. Einstein and Oppenheimer were the ones behind it.

>Japan was still getting defeated in China in 1945
Japan won the vast majority of battles against China, even though Japan was focused on America.

Han slaves were also being entirely supplied by America and outnumbered the Japanese but still lost the majority of battles against Japan.

>Chinese engineer Wong Tsu designed Boeing Model C in 1916, one of the furst aircraft used by the US Navy.
White men designed and engineered it, not Han slaves.

>The Boeing Airplane Company, previously known as Pacific Aero Products Co., built the Model C naval trainer as its first mass-produced airplane.

>Early design work was started by George Conrad Westervelt in late 1915, with the first wind tunnel tests being conducted at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's 4 ft (1.2 m) wind tunnel in May 1916. Most of the design work during early-to-mid 1916 by James Foley, who had previously assisted Westervelt in designing the Boeing Model 1.

>Westervelt, who had been reassigned to the East Coast in December 1915, consulted heavily on the design.

>Wong Tsu, an MIT graduate who was hired by Boeing in May 1916, also contributed to the design, specifically lending his expertise in the analysis of wind tunnel data.

It was designed by two White men. The worthless Han slave only helped analyze wind tunnel data.

>>17956497
>>17956508
Mongols also have a huge amount of O3, like Naiman Kazakhs, Pashtun Jadoons and some Hazaras.

O3 individuals are also found in Saudi Arabia.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17519172/#q17519172

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17519172/#17519172

>>17956508
>Liaoning Han aren't even depicted
Liaoning Han have Mongol C2 just like Shandong Han, Henan Han, Shanxi Han, etc. This is from newer data, retard.

>>17956510
>Spanish people have North African E1b subclades.
Han rapebabies have Anglo R1b subclades, French R1b subclades, Portuguese R1b subclades, Mongol C2 subclades, Scythian R1a subclades, Arab J1 subclades, Persian J2 subclades, Xiongnu Q1a1 subclades, Japanese D subclades, and many more.

>>17956516
Plenty of East Asians have O3, retard. It's prehistoric in origin unlike Mongol C2 which is a few centuries old and found in China because Mongols raped the Han.

>>17956512
> Einstein and Oppenheimer were the ones behind it.

These are Kikes and Wu Chien-shiung was a woman and separated uranium 235 and 238.

>being entirely supplied by America and outnumbered

The US, Britain and Netherlands supplied Japan against China up to 1940.

Japan had air superiority, mechanised superiority and chemical weapons superiority against Chinese soldiers with no tanks, no gas masks, no heavy artillery and Japan lost dozens of battles against technologically inferior Chinese armies.

Japan used poison gas against Chinese in Tianjiazhen after multiple Japanese human wave assaults were repulsed.

China also fought a two front war against the Soviet backed Ili rebellion in 1944-1946

This is while the Soviets were also in Hungary and China was fighting Japan

The Chinesr army held the majority of Xinjiang against the Soviets in 1944-1946 while the same Soviets overran Hungary and Austria and then ethnic cleansed and raped Japanese settlers in South Sakhalin, Kuril islands and Manchukuo

>>17956520
There's zero sources for your lies.

>>17956525
Mongols have Han subclades of O3.

>>17956520
>>17956528

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9469715

Y chromosome confirms it's the same as the original Han 3,000 years ago.

Han Chinese have the same paternal Y chromosome haplogroups as 3,000 years ago and even further back since the Neolithic. Unless barbarian women came and mass raped Han men and added maternal admixture, Han are the same as ancient China.

Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105691

Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235620438_Ancient_DNA_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao%27s_granduncle_matches_those_of_his_present_descendants_a_commentary_on_present_Y_chromosomes_reveal_the_ancestry_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao_of_1800_years_ago

The Manchu-Jurchen paternal C2 subclade haplogroup is competely absent from Han Chinese men. It's only found in Manchus, Mongols and other non-Han ethnic minorities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418768/ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chuan-Chao_Wang/publication/269876995_Y_Chromosome_of_Aisin_Gioro_the_Imperial_House_of_Qing_Dynasty/links/551cf6240cf2909047bcb445/Y-Chromosome-of-Aisin-Gioro-the-Imperial-House-of-Qing-Dynasty.pdf

>We reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the cluster’s TMRCA (∼500 years ago, corresponding to about a.d. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han.

>>17956520
>>17956531

Jurchen (Manchu) rebel leader Wang Gao was sliced to death (lingchi aka death by a thousand cuts) by Han Chinese during the Mimg dynasty.

His sons Atai 阿台 and Ahai 阿海were both killed.

>Wang Gao (王杲): a Jianzhou Jurchen awarded a position of command in Jianzhou. He was put to death by lingchi at Beijing in 1575 due to repeated raids into Ming border territories. He is said to be Nurhaci's maternal great-grandfather or maternal grandfather.

Jurchens (Manchus) like Yishiha were castrated as eunuch slaves by Han Chinese.

>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also rendered as Išiqa and Isiha;[1] Jurchen: i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451), sinicized name Yi Xin (易信), was a Jurchen eunuch of the Ming dynasty of China. He served the Ming emperors who commissioned several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]

>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]

>>17956520
>>17956531
>>17956536

DNA evidence says otherwise incel.

Northern Han Y DNA is the same as 3000 years ago.

Northern Han and Southern Han are the FURTHEST pure Mongoloid ethnicity from Xianbei in autosomal DNA.

Koreans, Tungusics, Mongols are autosomally closer to Xianbei

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#q9469475

Mystery meat Romans.

https://twitter.com/lukeejm/status/1434552813753880578

Assyrian history at Hadrian’s Wall, c.180 AD! The tombstone of Regina. She was the wife of Barates, a standard-bearer from Palmyra (3,000 miles away). Inscribed in Latin and Aramaic, the Aramaic reads: “Regina, the freedwoman of Barates”. Assyrian history never fails to surprise!


https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/July-2017/Hadrian-s-Syrians-1

https://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/197602/a.walk.in.the.lebanon.htm

https://www.face'book.com/aramcoworld/posts/6274351409257766?locale2=sw_KE

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/charlottehigginsblog/2009/oct/13/hadrians-wall

https://romansinscotland.com/2020/06/21/when-syrians-algerians-and-iraqis-patrolled-hadrians-wall-books-the-guardian/

https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/July-2017/Hadrian-s-Syrians-1

Ancient Arabs from Palmyra invaded Britain with the Romans before the Anglo-Saxons came. There is a Roman fort in northeast England called Arbeia which means the "Fort of the Arab troops."

https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/July-2017/Hadrian-s-Syrians-1
https://englandsnortheast.co.uk/roman-south-shields-arbeia/

we wuz British n shiet

whites

>>17956526
>These are Kikes
They invented it not a Han slave.

>The US, Britain and Netherlands supplied Japan against China up to 1940.
They also supplied China until 1949 and sent soldiers.

>Japan had air superiority, mechanised superiority and chemical weapons superiority
Because the Japanese were not retarded like worthless Han Chinese slaves.

>against Chinese soldiers with no tanks, no gas masks, no heavy artillery
Nope. The Allied powers above already provided the Chinese with all of that and more.

At this point, the Chinese decided to deploy British-made Vickers 6-ton tanks to assist their troops in the assault. However, the Chinese were insufficiently trained in coordinating infantry-tank tactics, and the troops were unable to keep up with the tanks. The few troops who did manage to keep up with the tanks through the city blocks were then trapped by Japanese blockades and cut down by flamethrowers and intense machine gun fire.[44]

The Han slaves were just mentally retarded and didn't understand how to properly use the White man's equipment despite the White man training them in how to use it.

>and Japan lost dozens of battles against technologically inferior Chinese armies.
Nope. Japan won thousands of battles against the hordes of Han slaves who had a massive numerical advantage and knowledge of local terrain. As well as unlimited supplies given to them by the Allies while the Japanese were facing a logistics crisis and still massacring the Chinese.

>China also fought a two front war against the Soviet backed Ili rebellion in 1944-1946
This involved a small percentage of Chinese soldiers.
.
>The Chinesr army held the majority of Xinjiang against the Soviets in 1944-1946
The Soviets only had 1,000 soldiers involved compared to 100,000 Chinese soldiers and they took away every piece of land they invaded

>>17956545
Rome had North African and Syrian emperors like the Severans (Septimus Severus) and Philip the Arab.

Romans stationed Black Ethiopian, Iraqi, Syrian and Algerian North African soldiers at Hadrian's wall in Britain.

Ethiopian referred to all sub-Saharans at this time and not just the horn African Abyssinians.

https://blog.twmuseums.org.uk/africans-on-hadrians-wall-world-heritage-site/

https://www.cumbriacountyhistory.org.uk/first-recorded-african-community-britain-background-burgh-sands

https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/africans-hadrians-wall/

https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/2017/07/28/how-diverse-was-roman-britain/

>>17956540
>Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers
Only 40% of Han are descended from the original Han.

60% of Han have haplogrouops from their Europeans, Arabs, Persians, Sogdians, Scythians, Mongols, Xiongnu, Jie, Shatuo, Donghu, Xianbei, Manchus and Japanese conquerors.

>>17956540
>Koreans, Tungusics, Mongols are autosomally closer to Xianbei
Retard. Koreans, Tungusics, and Mongols are mostly ANEA. Han are mostly ASEA ancestry. That's why the Han Chinese are genetically closer to various Guangdong minorities than they are to Koreans or Japanese.

Now imagine what subhuman must like Chinkspammer that are half SEA Chinese mutt and half SEA look like. You don't cluster with any Chinese population, Han or non-Han.

>>17956464
>>17956512

I love all these bullshit cope claims that migrant mutts do for trying to claim credit by being cheap student labour on White projects are even more pathetic than Black DEI placed KANGs, usually their work was not even used, they were just given a chance on their projects and failed to deliver anything useful.

Where were China's Boeings, missiles and atomic bombs?

Chinese could never design of these things themselves, serving under White men who can is not an accomplishment, it's a DEI bone you were thrown since Whites are generous.

>>17956440
>Show us the modern picture of the EXACT same view for comparison retard.
It doesn't exist because the modern one is a tourist trap built with Western techniques which looks completely different.

The original Forbidden city was just some short shitty wooden gates and same gardens.

>>17956555
Einstein didn't even work on the Manhattan project unlike Wu Chien-shiung

>The Allied powers above already provided

The Allies didn't send a single cent of aid before 1940, everything was bought.

That was Shanghai in 1937, Britain didn't single a single pence of aid.

The Allies then only sent aid after 1940 to stop British India from getting fucked over since China was in the way.

>Because the Japanese were not retarded

Britain build Japan's entite navy and air cotps for them in the Meiji restoration and Sempill mission and Richard Vogt designed Japanese aircraft.

>and knowledge of local terrain.

Japan lost battles of Taierzhuang, First Changsha, Second Changsha, Third Changsha, Kunlun pass, Shanggao, Changde, West Hubei, Wanjialing, Kokang, Huaiyang, Dushan, West Hunan, West Henan, Second Guangxi campaign.

16,000 Chinese killed 60,000 Japanese at Hengyang.

Japan stopped at the Salween river in 1942 not daring to cross because their tank pontoon bridge was blown up.

Japanese soldiers could have crossed on foot but couldn't do jack shit without their tanks.

China had no chemical gas weapons unlike Japan which used mustard gas and chlorine and tear gas in every battle with China

US never supplied China with chemical gas

>This involved a small percentage of Chinese soldiers

The Soviet army was with local Uyghur communists who numbered in the hundreds of thousands

120,000 elite Chinese cavalry fought hundreds of thousands of Uyghur communists with Soviet soldiers

Soviet soldiers were repulsed from Tashkurgan and the approaches to Urumqi by the Chinese army, they never entered the Tarin Basin which is 80% of Xinjiang.

The Soviet army flattened Hungary and Japanese positions in South Sakhalin, Kuriles, North Korea and Manchukuo, Japan had hundreds of thousands of soldiers all over there.

>>17956570
Imagine only analyzing wind tunnel data and a century later some deranged micropenis SEA Han mutt tries to claim you designed an entire plane by yourself.

>>17956569
>Retard. Koreans

Koreans have mostly yellow river farmers autosomal ancestry lying retard

>60% of Han have haplogrouops from their

No source retard, the other 60% in the study are also native haplogroups

The 40% refer to three ancestors in the yellow river valley.

Other parts of neolothic Northern China like eastern Shandong, Hebei and Shanxi had other haplogroups.

>>17956580
In light of the financial windfall brought from the Navy purchases, "from Bill Boeing onward, the company's chief executives through the decades were careful to note that without Wong Tsu's efforts, especially with the Model C, the company might not have survived the early years to become the dominant world aircraft manufacturer."[5]

During his lifetime, Wong designed more than two dozen aircraft.[7] In 2004, Boeing unveiled a plaque and exhibit at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, Washington, honoring Wong's work as its first engineer.[8]

>>17956512
>Einstein and Oppenheimer were the ones behind it.
This isn't even true either, but I don't blame you after the recent Jew propoganda movie.

Otto Hahn discovered fission reactions, many people contributed to theory, mostly Heisenberg ended up with the best theory

For the actual idea for the gun type bomb was by Richard C. Tolman, most breakthroughs are from Seth Neddermeyer, Edwin McMillan, Charles Critchfield and Joseph Hirschfelder and military engineer William Sterling Parsons delivered the actual working gun.

Oppenheimer was literally known for steering the whole project in the wrong direction and had a net negative contribution to the project, that's why von Neumann said of him "sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it".

Einstein never worked on fission at all throughout his career.

>>17956579
>Einstein didn't even work on the Manhattan project
His contributions were literally the base of the Manhattan project which was not possible without his theories.

> Wu Chien-shiung
Han Chinese slut sucking BWC is her contribution to the Manhattan project.

>The Allies didn't send a single cent of aid before 1940
They did you ungrateful micropenis SEA Chinese mutt. In fact the Germans and Soviets also gave aid for free. Literally the entire Western world helped the worthless Han Chinese slaves from the start and they still lost to the Japanese.

>everything was bought.
It was free, retard. What would the worthless Han slaves even pay with? The bat poop you eat? We don't want that.

>Britain build Japan's entite navy and air cotps for them in the Meiji restoration and Sempill mission and Richard Vogt designed Japanese aircraft.
That was in the 19th century. The Japanese were indigenous designing and producing their machines without any Western involvement, while the worthless Han couldn't produce anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship

>Japan lost battles
Japan won far more battles than they lost. In spite of massive numerical advantage and Western aid from the Allies, Axis, and Soviets to the Chinese.

>That was Shanghai in 1937
Yes the worthless Han slaves were being supplied by the Allies, Axis, and Soviets from the beginning of the war. It's not their fault the Han are a worthless race of weak cowardly slaves.

>US never supplied China with chemical gas
Nor did they supply the Soviet Union or British with chemical gas. They were sending weapons, ammunition, food, trucks, armored vehicles, tanks, aircraft, and more to China. And they didn't require payment for it like they required from Japan.

You're a filthy micropenis liar and you deserve your shitty life Chinkspammer.

>>17956587
>Koreans have mostly yellow river farmers autosomal ancestry
The other part of their ancestry is ANEA. While for the Han mutts the other part of their ancestry is ASEA. That's why Han populations cluster with Guangdong ethnic minorities.

>the other 60% in the study are also foreign haplogroups
Majority of the Han haplogroups are from foreigners.

Ran Min massacred 250,000 Jie, indentifying them by their big noses and beards.

>>17956474
Also Gao Juren massacred Sogdians in Jicheng (Fanyang) (modern Beijing) in 761 and impaled their babies on spears, indetifying them by big noses and beards.

Tian Shengong massacred Arabs and Persians in Yangzhou in 760 (I don't support this)

Huang Chao also massacred Arabs in Guangzhou in 878-879

>>17956394
The Mongols and Han general Chen Youding massacred Huihui Semu Ispah rebels during the Ispah rebellion in Quanzhou.

>>17956615
Jie were East Asians, not IE or Semitic.

This has nothing to do with what we're talking about which is Japan raping China + Han being strongly SEA influenced genetically.

I love how Chinkspammer, being a mutt, defends his delusions of Han racial purity with such a ferocity that he never stops to consider it doesn't apply to him anyway and that the entire basis of his psychosis stems from indentity crisis of being mixed race.

Meanwhile, in real life, when I talk to 100% Chinese people who are secure in their identity they will just tell me "oh yeah Han have some admixture from Mongols for sure. Did you know the 8% all men on Earth descend from Ghengis Kahn? A lot of them are here in China haha."

Like, this is just some factoid to them because it doesn't affect their daily life in any way.

Chinkspammer, being a mutt, will instead dedicate the next 10 hours of his life spamming copy-paste cope on 4chan for like 2 other people to read it.

>>17956610
Wu Chien-shiung was married to Yuan Jialu, of paternal Han descent (with maternal Korran ancestry)

>Soviets also gave aid for free

They traded aircraft for raw materials like Tungsten you retard

The US also traded aircraft for raw materials like Tung oil

>That was in the 19th century

Sempill mission was in 1920s and Richard Vogt was in 1920s and 1930s.

A Japanese blacksmith also gave his daughter, a Japanese girl named Wakasa to Portuguese to teach the how to build the musket


Germany never gave aid retard, they sold weapons.

Also none of these countries sold equipment at the same time, the Soviets only sold aircraft after the German mission was pulled.

>Soviet Union or British with chemical gas

Nazi Germans didn't use chemical gas against Soviets and the Soviets and British already had mustard gas.

Soviets and Nazis were largely equivalent in technology.

Japan was the only country using chemical weapons in the war.

Japan used mustard gas to win battles when Japanese troops were repulsed in the ground

And Japan also lost multiple battles where they used gas.

China didn't receive food en masse and most Chinese armies didn't have any tanks

>>17956637
>Germany never gave aid retard, they sold weapons.
Did

>During the Second Sino-Japanese War leading into WWII, Nazi Germany provided military and economic aid to China's Nationalist government, including weapons, training, and industrial development projects, but this relationship collapsed after the Anti-Comintern Pact and the attack on Pearl Harbor, when Germany allied with Japan.

>>17956634
>A lot of them are here in China haha."

Those are all in Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang retard.

Inner Mongolia has the most Mongols in the world more than Outer Mongolia.

Inner Mongolia was where the last Northern Yuan Khagan Ligdan Khan reigned

Mongols are the ones being breeded by Han settlers in Inner Mongolia and becoming mutts, the mixture isn't happening in Han provinces.

None of it is South of the Great wall.

>>17956643
Btw Germany still gives foreign aid to China TO THIS DAY.

>>17956646
Idc that's what real life Chinese people tell me. You do understand that you can't argue back with them right?

This is a student from Tsinghau, born in Beijing metro area.

>>17956643
They sold it retard, show me the source saying Germany gave weapons for free.

>>17956628
Han men did sex tourism in Japan for centuries during Sengoku Jidao, Edo period and Meiji restoration and fathered bastard children

Like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Su Manshu's father, Sadaharu Oh's father.

Sadaharu Oh was born in Japan to a Japanese mother and Han father in 1940.

Japan never occupied entire provinces of China like Qinghai, Ningxia, Gansu, Shaanxi and Sichuanm

>>17956655
Beijing has Mongol Bannermen and Manchu bannermen retard.

They were segregated in the inner city of Beijing with Han bannern, but separate from Han civilians.

>>17956661
>economic aid

Wtf do you think this means?

>>17956637
>Wu Chien-shiung was married to Yuan Jialu
Wu was cucking Jialu with BWC. She gave sucky sucky to Oppenheimer.

>They traded aircraft for raw materials like Tungsten
They also freely gave weapons, ammunition, food, and trucks to the Chinese. You are bitching because the Soviets wanted a few raw materials due to wartime shortages? That the retarded Han slaves couldn't use anyway because they were retards who couldn't produce anything?

>The US also traded aircraft for raw materials like Tung
They also freely gave weapons, ammunition, food, and trucks to the Chinese. You are bitching because the US wanted a few raw materials due to wartime shortages? That the retarded Han slaves couldn't use anyway because they were retards who couldn't produce anything?

>Sempill mission was in 1920s and Richard Vogt was in 1920s and 1930s.
These were paid technological transfers. Also Vogt was German so how is this the fault of the British, retard. None of this was given for free to Japan. Technology and equipment were given for free to China. If anything the Japanese should be complaining because the West made them pay for everything and gave everything for free to China.

>Germany never gave aid retard, they sold weapons.
See >>17956643

> none of these countries sold equipment at the same time,
Yes, they did, retard. From 1935 the Allies, Axis, and Soviets were supplying their Chinese proxies with weapons and equipment all at the same time.

>Nazi Germans didn't use chemical gas against Soviets
Yes, they did, retard.

>Japan was the only country using chemical weapons in the war.
Nope it was used by Germany and the USSR. Also Chemical gas was already sanctioned due to international laws following WW1. It could not be given to China.

>China didn't receive food en masse
Food was not an issue in China. There were hundreds of millions of Han slaves producing rice.

>and most Chinese armies didn't have any tanks
Because the retarded Han slaves lost them all in combat.

>>17956634
Chinkspammer is 75% SEA and 25% Han. He is a very brown SEA larping as a brown Chinese.

>>17956664
Northern China is the Han heartland. All other Chinese are not true Han, they were raped by real Han and just renamed to Han to help them cope for being mutts

>The estimated genetic contribution of northern Han to southern Han is substantial in the ancestral patrilineage in addition to a geographic cline that exists for the corresponding matrilineage. These genetic findings align with historical records outlining the continuous and large migratory waves of northern Han Chinese inhabitants settling in southern China, escaping dynastic changes, geopolitical upheavals, instability, warfare and famine.[256][240][257][93][94][95][96][97][98][99][87][88][89][90][91][92][excessive citations] The subsequent intermarriages between northern Han migrants and southern aborigines over the past few thousand years gave rise to modern Chinese demographics—a Han Chinese super-majority and minority non-Han Chinese indigenous peoples.[240]

>>17956704
Northern Han are filled with modern SEA ancestry due to large scale rape and genocide by foreigners that depopulated Northern China and caused resettlement by the Southern Han and ethnic minorities from the south.

>>17956688
Oppenheimer was a kike and Yuan Jialiu and Wu's son impregnated a blonde kike woman giving birth to Jada Yuan

>They also freely gave weapons, ammunition, food, and trucks

No they didn't. Everything was bought.

Also China didn't have enough oil for trucks and uses tung oil and wood gas.


>These were paid technological transfers

Sempill mission was free and Sempill himself provided espionage and data to the Japanese for free for decades after the mission ended.

>From 1935 the Allies, Axis, and Soviets were supplying

90% of Japan's metal and oil came from Allied countries at this time.

>Nope it was used by Germany and the USSR

They didn't use it in the battlefield in WW2.

>Chemical gas was already sanctioned due to international laws

Japan used chemical gas without sanctions.

>lost them all in combat.

The amount of tanks bought by China was 1% of Japan's tank fleet.

>>17956557
Rome never conquered any sub-Saharan territory or had Ethiopian soldiers you retard.

>>17956710
>large scale rape and genocide

The Jie and Xiongnu genocided and raped Sogdians and Indians in Luoyang

The Sogdian ancient letters (the same series where a Sogdian man nanai-dhat tells his Sogdian wife Miwnay and daughter to sell themselves to Han men) also says that the Xiongnu were former slaves of the Han emperor but they rebelled and btfo'd Sogdians and Indians in Luoyang.

Then Han people slaughtered 250,000 Jie in northern China


Them Gao Juren massacred Sogdians in Beijing in Northern China.

Then Mongols and Han killed millions of Tanguts and Jurchens in northern China

Han massacred Manchus in Xi'an in northern China in 1911.

Most victims of in the Boxer rebellion of 1900 were Mongol babnermen and Manchu bannermen in Beijing.

Most dead in the first opium war were Manchu bannermen not Han

>>17956725
Rome had immigrants from outside its territories.

There was a Somali found in Roman Viminaicum (modern Serbia) with E-V32.

>>17956710
Patrilineal DNA indicates the northern Han Chinese were the primary contributors to the paternal gene pool of modern southern Han Chinese.[273][274][275][279] The data also indicates that the contribution of southern non-Han aboriginals to the southern Han Chinese genetics is limited. In short, male Han Chinese were the primary drivers of Han Chinese expansion in successive migratory waves from the north into what is now modern southern China as is shown by a greater contribution to the Y-chromosome than the mtDNA from northern to Southern Han.[240]

>>17956725
He's resorting to posting cope papers by woke academics who try to imply Roman slaves were actually citizens.

>>17956718
>Oppenheimer was a kike
Wu was also sucking all the BWC from Tolman, Neddermeyer, Edwin McMillan, Charles Critchfield and Joseph Hirschfelder and military engineer William Sterling Parsons.

>No they didn't. Everything was bought.
Nothing was bought. Lend Lease Bill was created to give aid to China, not the USSR. Billions of dollars worth in material and equipment given for free to worthless Han slaves who still lose to Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

> Sempill mission was free
No it wasn't dumbass. Everyone got paid on that mission, especially Sempill himself.

>90% of Japan's metal and oil came from Allied countries at this time.
No, most of Japan's metal were domestically produced. Oil had to be imported and Japan paid for all of it.

>They didn't use it in the battlefield in WW2.
Yes, they did you retard.

>Japan used chemical gas without sanctions.
They did it after leaving the League of Nations, you microdick retard.

>The amount of tanks bought by China was 1% of Japan's tank fleet.
Most tanks and armored vehicles were given for free to China, not bought. The smart Japanese had more because they produced their own.

>>17956748
Southern Han and Northern Han have different paternal gene pools. Many Baiyue men had sex with Han Chinese women.

>>17956754
> also sucking all the

Chinese men were the ones getting their dickes sucked in the west during the war

https://mixedmuseum.org.uk/amri-exhibition/compulsory-repatriation-of-chinese-in-liverpool-and-family-disintergration/

https://dragonsandlions.co.uk/

https://www.heritagefund.org.uk/news/history-lost-chinese-sailors-uncovered

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/25/chinese-merchant-seamen-liverpool-deportations


Lend lease was originally for Britain retard.

>After a decade of neutrality, Roosevelt knew that the change to Allied support must be gradual, given the support for isolationism in the country. Originally, the American policy was to help the British but not join the war. During early February 1941, a Gallup poll revealed that 54% of Americans were in favor of giving aid to the British without qualifications of Lend-Lease.

US never sent aid to China before Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940 after China defeated Japan at Kunlun pass


All your claims were debunked here. See the map and Japan had both technological AND resources superiority since US and UK supplied Japan and UK even cut supplies to China via Burma before 1940. Only France allowed oil supplies to China via French Indochina.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12360716/#q12383413

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12657422/#q12662439

>>17956785
>Chinese men were the ones
Cope. Tens of millions of Han Chinese women were sucking BWC, as well as Japanese cock before, during, and after WW2.

Han Chinese women are still worshipping BWC today while microdick Han kill themselves.

>Lend lease was originally for Britain
And China, retard. China was receiving lend lease from day 1 before the Soviets were involved in WW2.

> US never sent aid to China before Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940
US sent millions in cash flow and sent equipment, soldiers, and aircraft long before that.

>All your claims were debunked here
I've debunked every single one of your claims you've ever made. That's why you don't dare to bring an actual claim you "debunked" up while I dismantle all of your claims.

>>17956478
>Tell that to Hungarian Amerimutts obsessed with China.
Such as?

>>17956816
You claimed Japan produced most of its own metal lying retard. >>17956754

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12360716/#q12381300


https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/pearl-harbor…

The United States was the main supplier of the oil, steel, iron, and other commodities needed by the Japanese military as it became bogged down by Chinese resistance

>>17956816
>as well as Japanese cock before, during, and after

Japan was the main supplier of girls to Han men before WW2 and after

Han sex tourists like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Dai Jitao, Chen Yi, Guo Moruo, Jiang Baili all had multiple Japanese teenage concubines in Meiji Japan

Zheng Pingru who spied for China had a Japanese mother and Han father

Su Manshu, Sadaharu Oh were all born to Japanese women and Han men

Tens of thousands of teenage Japanese girl Karayuki san and zanryu fujin has sex with Han men before and after the war.

Chen Kenmin from unoccupied Sichuan moved to Japan after the war for sex tourism

>BWC

Australian sniper Billy Sing, US general Caleb Vance were all the results of Han men and white women.

>millions in cash flow and sent equipment, soldiers, and aircraft long before that

Lie with no source

>China was receiving lend lease from day 1 before the Soviets were involved in WW2.

Japan invaded French Indochina before Nazi Germany invaded the Soviets.

>>1795676
Zero source. Han migrants to Southern China were all male.

>>17956827
There's a Hungarian Canadian obsessed with worshipping Japan and attacking China and visits WW2 battlefields to do worship rituals of Japanese dead.

He should do that for rape victims of Soviets in Hungary instead.

>>17956827
>>17956835
His name is Rodney James Szasz and he lies about nearly everything.

>>17956760
Zero source. Han migrants to Southern China were all male.

>>17956833
>You claimed Japan produced most of its own metal
They did, retard.

>The United States was the main supplier of the oil, steel, iron, and other commodities
Do you think they were supplying this from 1940-1945 when most of the war and Japanese production took place? Stupid Han microdick retard.

>Japan was the main rapist of Han Chinese women in WW2
Yes.

>Lie with no source
Allies, Axis, and Soviets used Han Chinese slaves to fight the Japanese. Americans alone sent money and equipment to China years before the invasion of Indochina.
https://www.nids.mod.go.jp/publication/senshi/pdf/201303/09.pdf

>Japan invaded French Indochina before Nazi Germany invaded the Soviets.
You attacked my claim without knowing that and got BTFO. Is that "debunked" too retard?

Millions of teenage Han Chinese girl 小姐 had sex with Japanese men before and after the war.

Hundreds of millions of teenage Han Chinese girl 小姐 have sex with BWC.

>>17956840
Does he even use this website? There's at least one confirmed Romanian here who hates China.

>>17956380
>Crimean Tatars have West eurasian autosomal and mtdna.
>The entire presence of O3 and C2 ij the region is an outside intrusion, their Mongol and Turkic ancestors mixed with Iranics and then the resulting Mongol-Turkic-Iranic people mass raped Goths and Genoans in Crimea.
Goths and Genoese only lived in Southern Crimea, in the mountains and along the coast.
These regions were never actually conquered by the Golden Horde, and only truly fell in 1475, to an Ottoman fleet, subsequently the southern coast was directly under Ottoman rule for the next several centuries.

Thus the "Tartars" from from Southern Crimea were noted to speak a dialect of Ottoman Turkish rather than Kipchak and to completely lack Mongoloid features, unlike that of the Tartars from north of the Crimean mountains.
These Tartars have no O, and very little C. (The chart on the right is the Y-DNA of Crimean Tartars with origins from the southern coast.)

Chinkspammer you should research about the Jewish control over modern China and the Chinese Communist Pparty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Rittenberg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Epstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Marxist_philosophy

https://forward.com/schmooze/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/

Until I saw the documentary “The Revolutionary” at the Philadelphia Independent Film Festival, I mistakenly thought that China during the revolutionary period was one country that had not felt the Jewish embrace. In fact, 85 to 90% of the foreigners helping the Chinese at the time of the Communist takeover were Jewish. This included the daughter of the founder of the brokerage firm Goldman Sachs, who left the comfort of her Park Avenue home to assist the Chinese.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-a-jewish-doctor-helped-form-backbone-of-revolutionary-chinas-medical-system/

“Every year, the Chinese Embassy in Israel pays tribute to the tomb of Dr. Rosenfeld at Kiryat Shaul Cemetery, Tel Aviv,” Chinese Ambassador Zhan Yongxin tells The Times of Israel. “By doing so, we want to reaffirm that the Chinese government and its people will never forget the friends who contributed to the founding and development of the People’s Republic.”

>>17956816
>>17956849

https://www.oregonhistoryproject.org/articles/historical-records/chinese-americans-picket-scrap-metal-to-japan/

>In 1939 approximately 2,000,000 tons of scrap metal were exported from the United States to Japan.

https://bruceramsey.net/index.php/the-fight-over-scrap-steel-to-japan-1998/

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/862347615068803072

May 8, 1937: Japan says 600,000 out of 1 million tons scrap iron used this year will go to making weapons

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/571216213696745472

Feb 27, 1935: Japanese delegation in Australia to secure access to iron ore #OTD

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/645207271178391552

Sep 19, 1935: US exports of scrap iron and steel to Japan up 800 percent compared with start of decade

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/526683042090201090

Oct 27, 1934: UK trade mission leaves Manchukuo with orders of 40 million dollars’ worth of railway equipment, steel

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/571026409352781825
Feb 26, 1935: US reports 63 percent of exported scrap steel in 1934 went to Japan #OTD

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/1024419116873121793

June 11, 1938: Dutch Prime Minister Hendrikus Colijn says Netherlands is not contemplating halting the supply of oil, tin and other raw materials to Japan

>>17956979
Chinkspammer what do you think of >>17956918 >>17956940

>>17956979
https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/1236013072076111875

March 6, 1940: Japan, desperate for new energy sources to fuel its war in China, secures Romanian oil in trade agreement with East European country

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/1173093135926353920

Sep 15, 1939: American oil companies unveil contracts to deliver three million barrels of petroleum to Japanese Navy

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/1240686490029412353

March 17, 1940: Mexico sends trade mission to Japan to discuss sale of oil, potentially alleviating Japan's desperate need for energy to continue war in China

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/1213724022061617152

Jan 5, 1940: Sino-Japanese battle of Kunlun Pass in southern China ends with Chinese victory

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/984845330624720897

April 9, 1938: Major boost in morale among Chinese forces after victory over Japan at Taierzhuang

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/1065668001645645826

Oct 10, 1938: Battle of Wanjialing south of the Yangtze ends in local Chinese victory

https://twitter.com/asiainww2/status/972230437488783362

March 9, 1938: Japanese Army reported to be suffering heavy casualties in northwest Chinese province of Suiyuan

>>17956835
Why are you not blaming Poles for Polish Americans like Jack Posobiec? I never saw you say anything bad about Poland when Polish American wignats like Posobiec act like this.

>>17956981
Jewish liberals and leftists support any movement aimed at accelerating modernism at the fastest rate, this isn't a surprise.

But certain white Germanic Protestants also support the same for their own agenda.

>>17956849
>>17956979
>>17956990

Chinese men from Fujian were grooming and importing Japanese women from Japan to Fujian, China in the 1920s, just a few years before Japan attacked China and set up Manchukuo.


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434

>>17164434

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for the past millenia


70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.

Over 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

And before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572

Japanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

Japanese teenage girls whose families were killed in the firebombings and roasted alive and atomic bombing in Hiroshoma were forced into prostitution in the Recreation and Amusement association.

Over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children were roasted to death in one day in Tokyo during the firebombings in Operation Meetinghouse

Hirohito the cuck watched his capital and palace burn down and his women, both Japanese commoners and his own relatives get fucked by foreign men.

America then paid Japanese to experiment on Japanese children.

>>17956816
>>17957024

Every Chinese student, merchant and exile in Meiji Japan had Japanese concubines, like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Dai Jitao

Japanese were mass raped by Jurchens (Manchus) in the Toi pirate raids of 1019


Jurchens (Manchus) gang raped Jaanese girls while the Japanese navy was powerless to intervene.


China wrecked and destroyed Japan in every single naval battle before the Meiji restoration.

Japanese outnumbered Chinese at the battle of baekgang and Noryang point. China curbstomped Japan in both battles.

Japanese outnumbered Portuguese at the battle of Fukuda Bay. The Portuguese stomped on the Japanese and Portugiese took Japanese slave girls.

China defeated the same Portuguese at the battle of Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and battle of Veniaga (Shancaowan) in 1522.

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for centuries. Hideyoshi and the Tokugawa shogunate provided Chinese merchants with Japanese girls.

Japan sold over 100,000 Japanese teenage girls as prostitutes to Chinese coolies and Western colonies in the Meiji restoration to modernise their military.

Japan's first naval victory against China was with the British built Meiji fleet paid for by Japanese prostitutes.

Japan used human wave attacks against outnumbered Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan and were massacred by Russian machine guns.

Japan begged Jews like Jacob Schiff to find them against Russia.

Japan's entire technological advantage against China in World War II was based on technology given to them by Britain and US (sempill mission) in exchange for Japanese prostitutes.

Japan lost every war with China before Meiji restoration.

Japanese admitted they compensated for numbers in World war II against China by western technology like mustard gas and tanks (gives to the by Britain) and they would have been curbstomped without western technology

>>17164434

>>17956849
>>17957029

Japanese tradition of pimping Japanese women to Han Chinese students and political exiles like Sun Yat-sen who pumped and dumped them and left the bastard children behind in Japan (aka great great grandparents of Japanese anons)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Wei-kuo#Early_life

Born in Tokyo when Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT were exiled to Japan by the Beiyang Government, Chiang Wei-kuo was the biological son of Tai Chi-tao and a Japanese woman, Shigematsu Kaneko (重松金子).[1][2][3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haru_Asada

Haru Asada (浅田春, Haru Asada, 1882 - 1902) was the Japanese concubine of Sun Yat-sen, the founder of the Republic of China.[1]

Asada was born in Shizuoka Prefecture, Japan, and spoke both fluent Chinese and English. She encountered Sun when she worked as a maid in Sun's house in Yokohama. She died in 1902, and Sun married Kaoru Otsuki in 1904.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaoru_Otsuki

Kaoru Otsuki (大月薰, Ōtsuki Kaoru, August 6, 1888 – December 21, 1970), born in Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan, was the second wife of Sun Yat-sen, founder of the Republic of China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Baili#Personal_life

Jiang married twice. His first wife was Zha Pinzhen (查品珍). His second wife was Satô Yato (佐藤屋登), a nurse he met in Japan. He had five children: Jiang Zhao (蔣昭), Jiang Yong (蔣雍), Jiang Ying, Jiang Hua (蔣華) and Jiang He (蔣和). His third daughter, Jiang Ying, became a musician and married the scientist Qian Xuesen. Jiang was also distantly related to the wuxia novelist Louis Cha through his first wife Zha Pinzhen, who was a distant aunt of Cha.

>>17956849
>>17957030

Japan was a sex tourist destination for Chinese exiles and students during the Meiji era.

Chinese merchants in Yokohama regularly bought and rented Japanese girls.

Chinese merchants in Meiji Japan used Japanese teenage girls as concubines and maids and pumped and dumped them.

Me ruv u rong time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karayuki-san,_the_Making_of_a_Prostitute

https://napost.com/2018/karayuki-san-in-the-west/

https://meijiat150.arts.ubc.ca/episode-61-dr-kazuhiro-oharazeki-setsunan/

Kazuhiro Oharazeki: Thank you for having me.

TG: You’ve published this book Japanese Prostitutes in the North American West: 1887-1920. And so, I’ve talked with other people about Japanese migration to North America, but I was hoping that you and I could talk more about what are the migrants (who come from Japan to North America) doing when they come over here? And what is the life like for the Japanese immigrants? So, could you talk about who are these people who are coming over from Japan? Where do they come from in Japan, and how many people are we talking about?

And at some point, they met procurers, who talked about nice things of America: job opportunities or a chance to have an American education or marry rich landowners in California, who turned out to be peasants or hired hands who forced them into prostitution. I also found that not all women were unaware of what kinds of work they would do in their destinations. Some women had already sold sexual services to local foreigners in Yokohama working as servants in the houses of Chinese merchants. Others worked in brothels and dance halls, catering to foreign sailors and merchants. And in that process, they became familiarized with foreigners and Western cultures, which influenced their decision to follow masters or procurers to the American West.

>>17957024
Japanese men were grooming and importing Han women from Henan and Shandong to Japan, China in the 1920s, just a few years before Japan attacked China and set up Manchukuo.

China was a sex tourism destination for Japanese and European men for the past millennia.

Over 100,000,000 Han Chinese girls were prostituted to Japanese men and western men in the century of humiliation periods to raise money to eat rice and spy in other countries.

And before that tons of Han Chinese girls were given to foreign Semu merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during the Yuan and Qing dynasty as well.

Over 300,000 Han men, women and children were roasted to death in one day in Nanking during the Rape of Nanking.

Japan did not pay Han to experiment and vivisect on Han Chinese women and children.

>>17957034
>foreign Semu merchants

Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Semu men like Sayyid Abu Ali

>Portuguese men and Dutch men

Both of these fucked Japanese girls and Korean girls sold from the Imjim war.

Portuguese smashed the numerically superior Japanese at Fukuda bay

>Shandong

Han merchants from Shandong like Cong Liangbi had teenage Japanese girls as concubines and second temporary wives while in Japan
>in one day in Nanking

Nanjing alone had a population of 100,000 Hui Semu in 1937 under the Muslim quarter.

>>17957034
>>17957043

Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Omani merchants. Zero Han women were handed out to foreigner merchants.

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/knowledge-bank/inscription-memory-sayyid-bin-abu-ali

An Inscription in Memory of Sayyid Bin Abu Ali
The relations between China and Oman in the eleventh to fifteenth centuries can be witnessed in the existence of Omani names in Chinese literature from this époque. Sayyid Bin Abu Ali was an Omani who appears to have lived in China in the thirteenth century, marrying a Korean lady and dying in Beijing in 1299. His life is commemorated in an inscription, an important trace of the international mobility that was possible across Central Asia in this period.

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/sites/default/files/knowledge-bank-article/an%20inscription%20in%20memory%20of%20sayyid%20bin%20abu%20ali.pdf


https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/did-you-know-sayyid-bin-abu-ali-true-representative-intercultural-relations-along-maritime


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nVVoRKSZxagC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=propose+to+reexamine+an+inscription+of+the+Mongol-.+Yuan+period+relating+to+an+Omani+in+China,+and+to+give+a&source=bl&ots=eej3OhzrJv&sig=ACfU3U2QR9-EeZNG3VNgd_UahBODdnGKNA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiImtW3_O71AhUEjIkEHWCsC88Q6AF6BAgtEAI#v=onepage&q=propose%20to%20reexamine%20an%20inscription%20of%20the%20Mongol-.%20Yuan%20period%20relating%20to%20an%20Omani%20in%20China%2C%20and%20to%20give%20a&f=false

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zRPbecWnkoIC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=%22bo+ha+li%22+%22to+a+korean+girl%22&;

The Emperor ( namely Yuan Cheng Zhong ] married him to a Korean girl . ... identified Bu A Li ( Abu'Ali ) of Yuan Shi with Bo Ha Li of the Korean source .

>>17957034
>>17957044

Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Han Chinese Southern Song defecting soldiers at the beginning of the Yuan.

Korean sources like Goryeosa 高麗史 and Dongguk Tonggam 東國通鑑 mentioned the Mongols distributing Korean women as wives to their underlings, Kuiblai Khan gave the daughter of Korean official Chae Ingyu first to a Tibetan named Sangha and then to a Muslim Abu Ali from southern India.

Kublai Khan was at the beginning of the Yuan dynasty and he handed out Korean women to the Indian Muslim exile 孛哈里.

Also from Empire's Twilight: Northeast Asia Under the Mongols, p. 52

>The first waves of Koryo women into the Mongol empire arrived as captives seized during the bloody fighting of the mid-thirteenth century. These women were variously used as slaves, married to recently surrendered Southern Song soldiers, or distributed as war booty to Mongol warriors.

Marriage as Political Strategy and Cultural Expression: Mongolian Royal Marriages from World Empire to Yuan Dynasty, p. 194

>It is true that in the Yuan dynasty, Korean women were famed for their gentleness and loveliness, and many officials took Korean women as wives, concubines, or maidservants, and it is also true that the Yuan court also issued many imperial edicts tot he Koryŏ court, ordering them to present young women to the Yuan imperial court. Many Korean officials also presented women to the Yuan of their own accord. This traffic in women happened every year according to the Korean history Yu Kye.

>54 "[Korea] did this (presenting virgins and eunuchs to the Yuan court) every year either in response to an imperial decree or on a voluntary basis." See Yu Kye (1607-1664): Yosa chegang

>>17957034
>>17957044
>>17957047

Northeast Asia and the Mongol Empire

53

elite Koryŏ women nearly always traveled with their own maids and servants. Lesser-known women were not deemed sufficiently significant to merit mention in official records.180 Many Koreans married their womenfolk to members of the Yuan elite as a way to secure official posts and advance family interests. Mongolian, Muslim, and Uyghur elites appreciated Koryŏ beauties, and the acquisition of Korean concubines became something of a fad.181

For examples of Korean wives and consorts of high-ranking Mongol and Chinese officials, see Kim Sang-gi, Sinp’yŏn Koryŏ sidaesa, p. 575. For more

Notes to Pages 53–56

315

extensive discussion, see Xi Lei, Yuandai Gaoli gongnü zhidu yanjiu, pp. 136–58. For intermarriage between semuren men (including those of Turkic, Uyghur, and Indian descent) and Korean women, see Ma Juan, “Yuandai semu Gaoli tonghun juli.” 182. Quan Heng and Ren Chongyue, Gengshen waishi jianzheng, p. 96; cited in Shi Weimin, Dushizhong de youmumin, p. 106. On the Mongols’ preference for Korean serving girls, see the early Ming writer Ye Ziqi, “Za zhi pian” 雜制篇, Cao mu zi, juan 3 xia, p. 63. 183. Shi Weimin, Dushizhong de youmumin, pp. 106–17. 184. Quan Heng, Gengshen waishi, xia.9b

>>17956990
>Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Semu men like Sayyid Abu Ali
Koreans don't have any Arab or Mongol haplogroups. Han Chinese rape victims do.

>Nanjing alone had a population of 100,000 Hui Semu in 1937
300,000 Han got raped and killed by the Japanese in one day. There weren't 10,000 Hui in Nanking and Hui aren't Semu.

>>17957034
>>17957049
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388501


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PDjWpqU55eMC&pg=PA52

https://vdoc.pub/documents/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-2i7l4ccfsq10

https://dokumen.pub/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-1nbsped-0674036085-9780674036086.html

>Koryŏ women were inseparable from the popularity of things Korean. The first waves of Koryŏ women into the Mongol empire arrived as captives seized during the bloody fighting of the mid-thirteenth century. These women were variously used as slaves, married to recently surrendered Southern Song soldiers, or distributed as war booty to Mongol warriors. Late in the thirteenth century, Qubilai and other Mongol aristocrats began to demand women from elite Koryŏ families as wives and consorts. Despite initial efforts to avoid these demands, the Korean government eventually responded by establishing government bureaus to organize and control the flow of Koryŏ women to the Mongol empire. What had begun as the seizure of women as war booty evolved into a complex system of formal tribute between the ruling houses of Koryŏ and the Mongol empire. Yuan envoys regularly traveled to Koryŏ to secure women on behalf of the emperor, who often redistributed them as gifts to leading ministers. Yuan envoys and Yuan officials stationed in Koryŏ also requested Koryŏ brides for themselves.

Korean Goryeo song about Central Asian Muslim Semu Hui seducing Korean woman

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

The song lyrics

https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EC%8C%8D%ED%99%94%EC%A0%90

>>17957053
>Koreans don't have any


Yes they do

Omanis, Turks and Iranic Hoehoe (Huihui) moved to Korea during Yuan dynasty-Goryeo and founded clans by marrying Korean women like Deoksu Jang, Sanggok Ma, Imcheon Lee, Gyeongju Sol.

Deoksu Jang, Sanggok Ma, Imcheon Lee, Gyeongju Sol are all Korean families whi proudly boast they descend from Semu Hui men having sex with Korean women

The Omani Sayyid Abu Ali married a Korean woman in Beijing during Kublai Khan's rule and founded an Omani-Korean Hui family. His children lived in Beijing and Quanzhou.


Tibetan women and Korean women all married Central Asian Iranic and Turkic men and Gulf Omani men

Han are the only East Asian men who married Central Asian women like Sogdian women

>>17957053
Hui are a subset of Semu retard


100,000 Sunni Muslim Hui lived in Nanjing and got massacred and raped

the most famous photo from the Nanking massacre is of a Muslim family and Nanjing had the biggest Muslim quarter in eastern China dumbass.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9521467

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9521487

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9521493

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8102219/#q8107650

>>17957053
>>17957064

The Hui Muslim Imam Da Pusheng 达浦生 was from Nanjing (Nanking), and wasof Kipchak 欽察 Turkic descent from Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Russian steppe, Ukraine, Dasht-i Qipchaq or Cumania) who immigrated to China during the Yuan dynasty and settled in the capital Nanjing in the early Ming dynasty, like the other of the 100,000 Hui Muslim community of Nanjing' Muslim quarter.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%BE%BE%E6%B5%A6%E7%94%9F

>達浦生(1874年-1965年6月21日),原名風軒,經名奴爾·穆罕默德,出生於江蘇六合(今南京市六合區),著名伊斯蘭教學者、阿訇。他是欽察人後人。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks

Da Pusheng went to Saudi Arabia and Egypt to tell Muslims of Japanese rapes and slaughters of Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Muslims_in_the_Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Middle_East_and_South_Asia_diplomatic_tour_against_Japan

>The Hui Muslim Imam Da Pusheng 达浦生 toured the Middle East to confront Japanese propagandists in Arab countries and denounce their invasion to the Islamic world. He directly confronted Japanese agents in Arab countries and challenged them in public over their propaganda. He went to British India, Hejaz in Saudi Arabia and Cairo in Egypt.

>An anti-Japanese 8-month tour to spread awareness of the war in Muslim nations was undertaken by Muslim Shanghai Imam Da Pusheng.[12]

>Misinformation on the war was spread in the Islamic Middle Eastern nations by Japanese agents. In response, in the World Islamic Congress in Hejaz, Imam Du openly confronted fake Muslim Japanese agents and exposed them as non-Muslims. Japan's history of imperialism was explained by Du to his fellow Muslims. Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the future founder of Pakistan, met with Imam Du. The anti Japanese war effort in China received a pledge of support from Jinnah.[13]

>>17957053
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16658070

Japanese sold Koreans as slaves to Portuguese in the Imjin war including Korean sex slaves

Korean women gave birth to Portuguese fathered babies in Macau.

Japanese also raped Korean girls in barley fields during Imjin war.

Ming Chinese troops raped Korean girls during the Imjin war, accusing their families of being Japanese collaborators

>>17957053
>>17957076

>>13982386
>>13983292
>>13983295
>>13983301
Korean history under the Mongol empire

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220256

>13220256

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10828773

>10828773

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

>13043204

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13067378/#q13067627

>13067627 >13071844

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12011702/#q12011702

>12011702

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277598
>13277598
No.>13231351
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

>9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13205503/#q13208522

>13208522

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13089506/#q13092548

>13092548


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13378501/#q13384800

>13384800

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13876154/#q13876415

>13876415

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13740348/#q13744483

>13744483

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/20/arts/20iht-MELIK20.html

In the ethnically diverse court entourage, jewelry was influenced by far away Iran. The gold filigree ornaments with turquoise-colored insets found in the tomb of an official called Shi Gang are derived from Iranian models. Shi Gang’s father was Chinese but his mother came from the north Asian Jurchen people. An epitaph in the tomb further reveals that his wife belonged to the Turkic Kerait community. The hairpin, the earring and the two rings recovered from the funerary chamber were hers.
Shi Gang’s father had had four spouses. One was Chinese, two were Jurchen and one was Korean. Another large tomb in the Shi family burial ground yielded a Korean celadon porcelain jar of the 13th century.

>>17956477
>>17956474
>>17956443
Actual ethnic Mongol historian from the royal Borjigin clan, Borjigin Burensain says Mongol princes married off Mongol women to Han Chinese men.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414134

>>14414124

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931

>>13224931

Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.

Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368

Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls

>>17957057
Why are there no Arab or Mongol haplogroups in Korean? Why do Han Chinese slaves have Arab and Mongol haplogroups?

Han Chinese Hui are not the same as Central Asian Semu Hui who were Persians, Tajiks, Arabs, Oghuz, etc.

>>17957064
Liar. Give one single source claiming 100,000 Sunni Muslim Hui lived in Nanking.

>>17957092
Han have no Arab or Mongol haplogroups

Those are ex-Muslim Hui, descended from Omani Arab men and Korean women.

Arab Omani men married Korean women in both Korea AND in China.

Abu Ali lived in Beijing with his Korean wife and children and was buried in Quanzhou.

The Hui in Beijing and Quanzhou descend from Omani and Central Asians who married Korean girls

Some of those Hui in Quanzhou like the Chendai Ding and Baiqi Guo families left Islam

They forged genealogies pretending to be Han descended from Guo Ziyi and Ding Du.

Ex-muslim Hui descended from Korean women get tested for Arab haplogroups in China

Koreans have Mongols and Arab haolgroups

>>17957092
>>17957102

>Muslim population Nanjing:
The amount of Muslims in China was higher before the Japanese invasion.

https://www.muslim2china.com/china-mosques/list-Nanjing-1.html

>There was an estimated population of 100,000 Muslims in Nanjing during the Yuan Dynasty.

https://www.topchinatravel.com/china-muslim/muslim-in-jiangsu.htm

>During the Yuan Dynasty, a large number of Hui people moved in Jiangsu; and in Ming Dynasty, the population of Hui people had nearly reached 100000 in Nanjing. In Modern Nanjing, Hui people's business and culture were prosperous and flourishing. According to the sixth census statistics in 2010, Jiangsu's Hui population was about 130757, which was distributed in the various cities and counties, mainly concentrated in Nanjing City and Yangzhou City.

It grew during the Ming and Qing dynasties. The Japanese massacred and raped and reduced their population to what it is today.

By the way Nanjing had over 1 million people in November 1937

The vast majority of Han in Nanjing, over 700,000, fled west to Sichuan in early December

The reason why the highwst estimate of the death toll is 300,000 is because that's how many people were left behind , not because people counted 300,000 bodies.

100,000 Hui is 10% of 1 million.