Thread 17964738

Is this true, /his/?

Yes.

>>17964738 (OP)
Yes

>>17964738 (OP)
nope

>>17964741
>>17964761
>>17964880
Thanks.

>>17964741
>>17964761
So true

>>17964880
Source?

>>17964880
how would the free market lead to abolishing child labor?
"new Coca-Cola: now with 30% fewer child deaths in our bottling plants!"
or is it a systemic thing? the system would be horrible for everyone for a while, but it would generate so much wealth that people wouldn't have to send their children to work after a while?

>>17965240
>"new Coca-Cola: now with 30% fewer child deaths in our bottling plants!"
Basically this. Once society decides that child labor is bad, either businesses will stop hiring children because of bad publicity, or new businesses will be established on the basis that they don't use child labor and outcompete those that do.

It is not true, work weeks had been in decline through the industrial revolution before new deal era labor laws.

Through history people worked 12 hours every day of the week or 14 hours every day except Sunday, it was completely normal for the vast majority of the population who were commoners. We in the modern world live quite a leisurely existence yet still manage to be miserable.

>>17965609
>We in the modern world live quite a leisurely existence yet still manage to be miserable.
That's because existence is miserable

>>17964738 (OP)
No. Thats fucking retarded. why do leftists worship strongarm mob bosses? Oh wait. Because theyre fucking retarded.

>>17964738 (OP)
Nah people just wouldn't do it. Or they would shoot up their workplaces more often.

>>17965737
Did a teacher not give you a gold star for your anime?

>>17965737
>leftism is when you don't work 12 hours a day for $3 an hour like some kind of Mexican
Based leftists. Every single time you fags mention leftism, it's always followed by some comment that makes rightoids look like spineless faggot cucks.

>I hate my life
>I work all day
>I’m going to have a kid
>I’m going to create a new human to suffer like I suffered
Just think about this for a second. Stop creating new humans that are destined to suffer.

>>17964738 (OP)
Industrial laborers were never the majority of the population and not all of them had hours that bad. So I would say no, it's an extremely reductive statement

>>17964880
Send this bitch to some chink sweatshop.

>>17965703
No? Maybe you should try some mental discipline to deal with ansiety rather than piss your pants?

Why do we still work 8 hours a day despite all progress? It has been more than 100 years already

>>17964738 (OP)
>Send kids to school
>They can't get a job
>Send kids to a factory
>They skip straight to having a job
Check mate.

>>17964738 (OP)
It is true. But now many corporations have taken to buying out unions.
The US is headed to a 996 society to mimic China. Europe is slowly following suit given all the privatization going on. They will ultimately fail and it will all lead to more instability in the street, but they're committed to that vision and they're gonna try it out regardless.

>>17965240
Imagine if there was a "racist mcdonalds" next to every mcdonalds, now we will really see if racism is more commercially viable (it won't). The only true utilitarian democracy is financial.

>>17965588
>and outcompete
I highly doubt it. Look at chick-shreddering in egg production or stable conditions in eggs or meat production.
As long as child labor is cheaper, there will be consumers who are willing to get over the morals for a few bucks.

>>17965737
>strongarm mob bosses
just because the US cannot into unions does not mean they are generally bad

>>17964738 (OP)
Factories are better for children than prisons, I mean, institutions at least they learn real things in factories and aren't just exposed to state propaganda all day.

>>17965811
Practice all the discipline you want, you are still going to suffer and die like every other miserable retard.

>>17965821
You and your stupid kids would get in rich peoples way if you were allowed to roam freely all day.

>>17965609
nice unsourced chart bro

>>17966084
Most people don't care about the lives of chickens, otherwise they wouldn't eat them. Society generally agrees that child labor is bad.

>>17966120
>at least they learn real things in factories
Like what? How to be a wagecuck?

>>17965781
>I hate my life
>I work all day
Skill issue.

>>17964738 (OP)
Yes, because we'd still have factories with plenty of jobs and work to do. Instead, we got Unions, which made it intentionally too expensive to manufacture anything domestically, so we end up losing jobs.......all in the name of saving jobs.

Almost like they planned it that way.

>>17964738 (OP)
No Ford instituted those changes

>>17966699
Public schooling was designed to teach children how to be wagecucks though.

>>17965945
>Imagine if there was a "racist mcdonalds" next to every mcdonalds
It's called Chik-fil-A

>>17965588
Or they outsource their factories to Southeast Asia where child labor laws don't exist, which is what actually happened.

>>17967078
Guess you can't win.

everyone is too uneducated and work on way too underdeveloped understandings of free market economics for capitalism to ever work in a way that's good for the average individual. it's just how it is. I will always suffer because (You) are retarded, and there's no changing it.

>>17967335
Seems like capitalism is working to me.

>>17967344
there are so many caveats to that chart and that data source that it is head spinningly unfunny but we'll just start with "you are aware the concept of GDP wasn't even conceived until the 1930s yeah?" you are a mega retard and part of the reason I will forever suffer. thanks.

>>17967353
You're welcome!

>>17965588
>Once society decides that child labor is bad, either businesses will stop hiring children because of bad publicity
But child labor already happens in products people use, it's just in third world shitholes.

In the long run, productivity gains drive increased wages and better living conditions for workers. Unions are detrimental to productivity. Even if unions imposed no frictions, work stoppages, or criminality, their goal of increasing the cost of labor means lower quantity of labor demanded at the unionized firm or industry. The people who are unemployed who otherwise wouldn't be do not cease to exist, they seek work at adjacent firms and industries. Thus an increase in wages or living standards at a unionized firm increases the supply of labor in non-union lines of business, which drives DOWN wages and conditions there as the unemployed workers bid down. It can be selfishly rational to support your own union, if you think you'll stay employed, but it's foolish to support unions in general.

>>17967664
>pay me more or else i'll stop working and starve to death
lol ok

>>17967677
I know this is a low effort post not worth my time, but some people genuinely do forget that "capitalists" are not some monolithic class making common cause against the masses but do infact compete for workers.

>>17967704
why are lolberts so naive?

Wait, there would be steady manufacturing jobs in the United States, available to low-skill, inexperienced workers like children, if we didn't have Unions?

>>17967724
Pretty much, except now we have tier systems where blacks and women are priority #1

>>17965240
Fun fact: even in 80s until dissolution in 1991 USSR had FORCED (not even volunteer) child labor on cotton plantations (only you didn't get the memo).

So looks like free market solved child labor better than tyrannical economy.

>>17967344
That’s technological innovation, not capitalism. You had capitalism in the west since roughly 1500, but the line doesn’t start kicking up until the 1800s, because of the industrial revolution

Probably not, but I love unions all the same.

>>17967344
wow what a weird coincidence that everything before the industrial revolution doesn't count as capitalism

>>17967814
>since roughly 1500
its a quibble but I think its early 1600s, when the amsterdam stock exchange allowed people to buy shares in very early limited liability companies
but the point still stands, capitalism had existed for centuries before the exponential growth of industrialization hit

>>17967814
>You had capitalism in the west since roughly 1500
Capitalism existed since Bronze age when core of society bronze weapons manufacturing relied on international network of tin miners, bronze smiths and arms makers. Only Marx teaching was too primitive to capture such complexity of life. He wanted to simplify history to simple stages and midwits ate that

>>17967344
is this adjusted to inflation?

>>17965609
No they didnt. We have every indication people work more now then in pre modern times.

>>17967827
I mean Capitalism didnt really exist for very long before it. Its a modern invention.

>>17968523
Nope.
And Marx has zero to do with quantifying capitalism.

>>17969528
are you one of those retards that saw some image on social media that said "omfg look peasants barely worked!" and just believed it?

>>17964738 (OP)
Pretty much, yeah

>>17965781
>I hate my life so everyone must hate their lives
Lmao, you sound like a depressed post-wall whore

>>17964738 (OP)
nah bro, elon musk is a philantropist and he totally doesn't want you to sleep at his office like some kind of slave, totally not what's going on hahahaha
kys

>>17969542
There is a large gap between barely worked and work as much as modern people. I understand nuance is beyond you retards.

>>17969820
oh god you really are LMAO. calling other people retarded while at the same time believing whatever random shit you read on social media without even thinking

>>17969831
I bet you beleive all peasants were basically slaves, and starving their entire lives.

>>17968523
>Capitalism existed since Bronze age
Literal retardation. Never EVER post again.

>>17967765
>So looks like free market solved child labor
It didn't. Still plenty of child labor allover the supply chain. The US itself uses child labor from local Americans and immigrants.

>>17965588
>either businesses will stop hiring children because of bad publicity
or tank the PR hit.
>new businesses will be established on the basis that they don't use child labor and outcompete those that do.
People are willing to accept cheaper products over more costly but more ethical ones, it's a losing battle for the latter. It's why organic farming isn't really blasting off. Yeah the meat is better but people prefer low quality slop meat and eggs to eat with every meal versus better tasting organics that cost more and may require spacing your meats across meals/

>>17966696
>Society generally agrees that child labor is bad.
Only if it "good" kids being forced into it. Anyone else and they'll do a 180 or some depraved "work is good for you" slogan.

>>17970498
>or tank the PR hit.
The PR hit would be disastrous if it came out that a company was using (domestic) child labor in 2025.
>It's why organic farming isn't really blasting off
People don't give nearly as much of a shit about animals as they do about children.

>>17965767
Slightly unrelated, but don't you think that child labor would be more useful than indoctrinating kids? Learning a skill at a young age would be infinitely more useful than teaching kids to parrot back truisms that don't apply to everyday life.

>>17970955
Yes, but it should only be at their parents' discretion because children are ultimately the property of their father and a future investment all on their own.

Ideally, they should be taught written theory and hands-on work from age 12 onwards. Most of what we teach children in school these days is make-work bullshit meant to keep them off the streets for 8 hours a day. The essentials of arithmetic, literature, science, and finance can be taught to them in less than 8 years.

>>17971002
No argument there.

>>17967765
>So looks like free market solved child labor better than tyrannical economy.
it clearly didn't as you don't live in a free market, fortunately
>>17964738 (OP)
if it were up to the free market you would be working 120h a week in a corporate dormitory in the middle of nowhere, being "paid" in corporate credit that you can only spend in certified goods and services, hoping to climb the corporate ladder high enough that you can finally be free. on the back of all the slaves at the bottom of the pyramid
it's so much more efficient

Every time I read about american unions all I hear about is their criminal underhanded nature and partnership with political bosses to take out competition and embezzle tax revenue. So how exactly did these actual criminals supposedly make life better?

Them modern status quo in cities was created by communists in the 70's, not communists in the 1910's. It's communists that killed manufacturing jobs with emissions standards and regulations, not work environment requirements

>>17971654
Either he's lying or he's admitting to overworking the fuck out of his workers. This is way worse than chinkoid 996 (which is 72 hours a week). It's literally impossible for someone to work three times a 9-5 shift and still be well rested.

>>17970859
>People don't give nearly as much of a shit about animals as they do about children.
They didn't during child labor, it took intervention to stop it.
>>17970498
>People are willing to accept cheaper products over more costly but more ethical ones
Consumers are ill-informed and do not make choices beyond gravitating towards the cheapest option. It's the reason tariffs are a good thing and free markets are a retarded thing.
The best system is regulated but with internal competition to prevent stagnation

>>17971656
>all I hear about
That's because you're a retard that only hoovers up corporate propaganda.
>communists that killed manufacturing jobs with emissions standards and regulations
manufacturing was kill, at least in the US, because conservatives realized union workers tended to vote for union policies and shipping manufacturing to china might make them like us like Japan. There's a reason 'modern communists' are pro-union and conservatives are pro-business.

>>17971664
>he's admitting to overworking the fuck out of his workers
They had pictures of his indian workforce sleeping in tents in the office

>>17971664
it's an obvious joke but fags get mad because he was stopping their grift

>>17971670
Commies are quick to claim manufacturing was sent to China but it was the commies that shit down manufacturing because it was causing smog

>>17971686
I don't think he's joking
>>17971672
No wonder why he wants infinite jeets and changs to work infinite hours and low pay.

>>17971670
>manufacturing was kill, at least in the US, because conservatives realized union workers tended to vote for union policies and shipping manufacturing to china might make them like us like Japan. There's a reason 'modern communists' are pro-union and conservatives are pro-business
Are you a time traveler from 1925? The modern "left" is 100% about racial and sexual grievances.

>>17971656
American labor unions are much more heavily regulated and overseen than any business. They're closely audited every year. The bulk of financial misdeeds by a ludicrous margin happen in private businesses, for the simple reason that most of them aren't really being scrutinized until they've already been caught at something.

>>17965767
Anytime someone says “rightoid” they out themselves as trans.