Thread 17966571

Why has Africa always been so poor?
Before the Europeans ever set foot in Africa, Africa had always been economically, scientifically, and culturally inferior to the rest of the world. This has always been the case for Africa before, during, and after the 19th century. It is because of this fact that Europeans took advantage of Africa and brutally raped them. So watching and hearing retarded "expert historians" below makes excuses for why Africa is so inferior compared to the rest of the world is fascinating.
https://youtu.be/CntemqZAvEs

>>17966571 (OP)
Does he cover Ethiopia or Liberia? I want to know if he addresses those two anomalies

>>17966571 (OP)
>historically
Mostly geographic isolation, whites were worse prior to contact with non-whites
>modern
Lack of Islamic governance, but most importantly an abundance of western-style ''governance'', if you can even call it that, which in reality is just a constant state of chaos and lawlessness where the ''state'' acts as a mafia that seeks to enslave and rob its own people for the benefit of the west

>>17966599
>Lack of Islamic governance
Idk, Islamic countries are happy to work with the west if it comes to money. Only Iran stands form again the west

>>17966597
Ethiopia was colonized by Italy. And Liberia was colonized by the US.

The compulsion to randomly push back on rigorously attained scientific data is a sign of insecurity and moral panic.

>>17966602
>Islamic countries are happy to work with the west if it comes to money.

>>17966621
So why isn't the middle east united against the west? Instead we have things like Proxie wars and Saudi Arabia needing Americans to protect them from Iran. Unless we accept that Iran and Afghanistan are the only true Islamic countries.

>>17966603
No it wasn't retarded lying rat. 5 years of occupation is barely colonization. Liberia's colonization barely lasted for more than a decade and blacks ruled it for most of its development

>>17966638
>Unless we accept that Iran and Afghanistan are the only true Islamic countries.
Yes, only Afghanistan and some parts of Africa that are ruled by AQ and dawla.

Why don’t you go shit on Australia or South America or Siberia? Why Africa?

>>17966571 (OP)
Name one Mathematician with low IQ.

Name one black Mathematician.
/thread


If dhey could, dhey would, but dhey kant so dhey dont.

Simple as.

>>17966571 (OP)
I mean, there has to be a reason
But it's definitely not colonialism

>>17966599
>>modern
>Lack of Islamic governance

Somalia and Sudan have that, and they dont do so good

>>17966655
All doing better than Africa
Australia was even more backward than Africa before colonialism, but the locals got ethnically replaced by whites and the place is thanks to this prosperous nowdays, so no point talking about it.

>>17966675
>Somalia
Western-backed failed, corrupt regime that would collapse within 24 hours without gibs
>Sudan
Civil war between two zionist puppets after overthrowing bashir

>>17966701
Yeah muslim governance is garbage

>>17966706
If it was the west wouldn't be fighting so relentlessly against it

>>17966713
If it was then muslil countries wouldnt be so shit.

>>17966599
>Lack of Islamic governance,
Plenty of islamic governance in africs and every single one of them is a shithole.

>>17966717
Westroon infestation brings only destruction and chaos

>>17966722
This but with islam.

>>17966721
Like where?

>>17966730
Like everywhere?

>>17966728
That region is being kept in a state of constant war by the kuffar who seek to suppress Islam

>>17966732
Everywhere there was an attempt to implement Islamic governance the west fought vehemently and relentlessly through all tactics possible, like i literally can't think of a single example where this didn't happen

>>17966734
Whatever helps you cope

>>17966739
There are plenty of african countries with sharia like sudan which is a massive shithole.

Islam is good good on paper, but Allah hates it for some reason and keeps the muslim man down

>>17966741
Keep denying history
>>17966742
>sudan
lmao
Yes the regime that immediately joined the abraham accords after the coup

>>17966651
>blacks ruled it for most of its development
Yeah, blacks from America with European admixture.

>>17966756
>Yes the regime that immediately joined the abraham accords after the coup
Yes the regime that also literally practices sharia.

>>17966767
Do you have even the slightest knowledge of the situation in Sudan right now, or did you simply bring it up because some other ignorant retard did

Islam governed over large parts of Africa for centuries. It enslaved the natives and kept everything backwards

>>17966789
Slavery was pretty much universally practiced everywhere, even though not on such a rampant and global scale as the atlantic slave trade

>You have to prove them wrong with a video instead of fixing the continent.
Speaks for itself.

>>17966755
Islam is actually a prank. Remember that Allah is the best of deceivers (3;54) and no one trusts his plots except a nation of losers (7:99).

>>17966571 (OP)
Every post other than "genetically low IQ" is wrong, pseud bullshit.

>>17966571 (OP)
>Pre-colonial
Despite memes about le diamonds and gold premodern nations have the core of their economy built around agriculture and outside of the Nile valley, Ethopian foothills, and small parts of South Africa most of Africa is either desert, jungle, or semi-arid. So with that pretty much all of Africa is left in a nomadic lifestyle or with smaller cities that are more spread out because you can't feed a massive city in the Sahel without modern fertilizers, irrigation, and agricultural science.

>Modern
Africa was given its freedom with little focus on long-term goals resulting in nations with a hundred ethnic groups and three or more major religions fighting for dominance in an attempt at a liberal democracy. It would have unironically been better to just install an autocrat with an army at his back than to try and make them democracies when they had no history of it. It would be like if all of the former Roman province of Hispania was united in the year 1100 with a liberal democracy and modern weapons. Of course the first election will cause problems between Christian Iberians, Christians Basques, Muslims, and Jews and no matter who won the losers would either try to coup the government or gain their independence resulting in a civil war. From this instability breeds economic decline and stagnation (nobody wants to build a factory in a country where one day half your work force might flee the country and a tenth of your workforce is massacred) further harmed by foreign aid causing domestic agriculture to become priced out of selling domestically.

>>17966571 (OP)
BLM AND TRANS RIGHTS ARE INEVITABLE TAKE HRT CHUDS

>>17966571 (OP)
Religion is to blame. Africa is the most religious place on earth.

Because they are literal ape people

>>17966800
Lol just lol. Arab slave trade went on until the 2000s within Africa itself. With it active currently in Libya

>>17966803
This.
If they were really high iq they wouldn't have to rely on shitty YouTube vids by politically motivated "" historians""" to fix their image.

>>17966599
White people managed to sail to Britain. Celts built stone structures that dwarf "Great" Zimbabwe. Even bronze age Europe showed signs of civilization far in advance of Africa's with stone henge, hill forts and royal graves.

>western-style ''governance'', if you can even call it that, which in reality is just a constant state of chaos and lawlessness where the ''state'' acts as a mafia that seeks to enslave and rob its own people for the benefit of the west
All this corruption is orchestrated by white people? Absolutely none of it was homegrown. If it weren't for wypipo you'd be a crime free utopia?

Whatever extent the institutions left behind are responsible for corruption, it must be dwarfed by self-serving corruption perpetrated by Africans. And the west seems to be the only ones who give
a shit when these Africans send their money to a Swiss bank account and their wives go on expensive shopping trips to Paris. Arab oil states and China don't complain when they use their banks and spend the money in their countries.

You have a completely delusional view of the situation. I see the same fallacy elsewhere. You have an ounce of evidence and treat it like a ton and when someone points out it is just an ounce you say "ah, but it is evidence!" no doubt with a shit eating grin on your face. But think for a second, it is Africans who are hurting because of all this.

Africa needs to accept they are inherently different and they need to go absolutely turbo with law enforcement and anti-corruption if they are to make it in this world, because things may not be so peaceful as the 21st century rolls on.

>>17966962
The only slavery still ongoing is neocolonialism repackaged in the forms of democracy and capitalism. And Libya is a victim of it.

Does anybody have the image of the some European author/writer who's holding a negro baby and say that Africa is just not worth it

>>17966761
Stop lying you replaced fag. Most Liberian presidents and cabinet members, including it's most successful leader consisted of unmixed blacks

>>17967017
All those buzzwords but no substance

>>17967070
>everything i don’t like is a buzzword!!

>>17967023
It was Albert Schwitzer and he never actually said the quote.

>>17967010
>Chud guy with a race complex and an abuse fixation tries to make a point.

>>17966655
Because he's from /int/.

>>17966932
holy shit, an actual objective answer...

>>17967951
Lmao
Lying jew
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/looking-down-on-africa

>>17966571 (OP)
Environmental determinism. Trade flows easier from and x axis than a y axis. The crops you can grow in Spain you can also grow in Turkey, but will have trouble to grow them in England even tough they are the same distance. The Sahara and the forests of Africa also sucked to travel through. Europeans just didn't bother going there and spent most of the Middle ages waring and conquering the arabs and pagans. This further allowed a transmission of ideas and trade.

>>17966932
Peru is literally a bunch of frozen mountains meeting a desert coast and yet they produced a massive empire and several civilisations far richer and more developed then anything in Africa.

>>17966599
>whites were worse prior to contact with non-whites
No they werent. Whites had multi story stone buildings and multiple large scale cities with technology on par with everything in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

>>17969086
>Peru is literally a bunch of frozen mountains meeting a desert coast
Peru is famous for the stupid amount of microclimates and ecosystems it has in its relatively small territory, you ignorant shit. Rich in minerals and with a massive biodiversity, it was a matter of time a civilization of the scale of the incas appeared. In fact, they continued what other smaller empires started, which was connecting the different settlements and with that creating a massive exchange network.

>>17966571 (OP)
>iq
picrel

>>17967010
>White people managed to sail to Britain
The distance between the french shores and the UK is 21 miles. The distance between the african shores and madagascar is 250 miles.

>Celts built stone structures that dwarf "Great" Zimbabwe. Even bronze age Europe showed signs of civilization far in advance of Africa's with stone henge, hill forts and royal graves
Sorry to break it to you but burial mounds and stonehenge don't scream "civilized", at least not in comparison to African structures present at that time.
Besides, different climate, soil etc

>All this corruption is orchestrated by white people? Absolutely none of it was homegrown. If it weren't for wypipo you'd be a crime free utopia?
The same could've been said about tribal germanics during the roman era. It's contact and prolonged exposure to political institutions which brings people out of tribal mindset. This is slowly occuring in African countries.

>>17966662
Katherine Johnson

>>17966665
Too big of a continent, shit geography (either too much resources or too little), isolation, ethnic divisions, extractive institutions when they were first colonized etc

>>17966800
>was
Litterally still active in flourishing sharia paradises like Lybia or Afghanistan lmao

>>17969300
the fact that people still believe that evolution stops from the neck up is so fucking stupid lmao, also nutrition my ass, why is that then that blacks in the west, with access to good nutrition are still low iq retards, with most of them needing goverment assistance?

>>17969086
>they produced a massive empire and several civilisations far richer and more developed then anything in Africa.
On what account? Did they have actual written scripts or iron working?

>>17968686
He never actually said it. Propel always fucked around with translating his German works and no actual written evidence was actually made by him

>>17970273
>the fact that people still believe that evolution stops from the neck up is so fucking stupid lmao
Evolution occurs over the span of many millennia dropout.

>why is that then that blacks in the west, with access to good nutrition are still low iq retards, with most of them needing goverment assistance?
Most of the population on government assistance are mostly the locals in Europe and White in the US.

>>17967010
>Cape Verde and Sao Tome
these are tiny islands out in the middle of the ocean, an ocean no one had any reason to sail far out into. It isn't too surprising they were uninhabited, Europeans for instance didn't discover Madeira (about the same distance from Portugal as Cape Verde is from Africa) until the 14th century
>Madagascar
do you read your own pictures? read the sentance immediately prior to the second one you highlighted
>The archaeological evidence of the earliest human foraging on Madagascar may date up to 10,000 years ago

Guns, Germs, and Steel is a great book that basically answers this question, saying that environmental factors like diseases are to blame.

>>17966599
Mesoamericans were even more isolated from other civilizations yet they were more advanced than anything in Africa.
Low population density could be an explanation historicaly but it doesn't explain why Africa is so backwards now when they have a billion people.

>>17969300
>The distance between the african shores and madagascar is 250 miles.
The distance between Indonesian shore and Madagascar is 3600 miles and it was Indonesian natives who first settled it

>>17966571 (OP)
Wasn't Africa in general barely populated? This sort of line of argument is a faux pas academia because it gives credence to the whole "Afrikaaners pre-date Bantu" stuff along with a whole list of pro-colonial arguments, but as I understand Euros just showed up to a handful of population hubs in sub-Saharan Africa and simply extrapolated that all of Africa must be similarly populated when it wasn't.

>>17970369
>Evolution occurs over the span of many millennia dropout.
Evolution occurs every generation anon

>Most of the population on government assistance are mostly the locals in Europe and White in the US.
Per capita anon, look it up.
Blacks do worse than whites economically in every country we have data from. Whether it's racist America or progressive Denmark. Brazil, Canada, South Africa whatever you can think of its the same story everywhere. There is no environmental variable the can explain this. The only reasonable explanation for this is genetics.

>>17970452
>Europeans for instance didn't discover Madeira (about the same distance from Portugal as Cape Verde is from Africa)
Africans never even discovered Cape Verde so what's your point?
Also your math is off. Sao Tome is 180 miles from African coast while Madeira is over 500 miles from Portugal (it's actually closer to Africa)

>these are tiny islands out in the middle of the ocean, an ocean no one had any reason to sail far out into.
Bruh Sao Tome is next to African coast. How can you look at a map and conclude they are in the middle of the ocean?
Nobody expects Africans to discover America but they could at least settle some islands right next to their continent instead of waiting for Portuguese to do it for them.

>>17966571 (OP)
>again
what have you/yourelatives done for academia

>>17970462
>Guns, Germs, and Steel is a great book
Said no one who actually read it

>>17971152
>Africans never even discovered Cape Verde so what's your point?
Because Europeans got their first? It shows that they didn't need to be millennium behind Europeans to not discover an island right next to them, a century earlier and Europeans couldn't do it either.
>Bruh Sao Tome is next to African coast.
Which ocean is it in? What reason is there for people to sail out to it? Did you even read anything I wrote and just decided to fixate on a single word that may not apply to Sao Tome, but does apply to Cape Verde in a paragraph where I was talking about both?
I can provide another example - the Faroes, unsettled by Europeans until at earliest the 6th century, and this only by a handful of Irish monks, there was no widespread settlement until the 9th century. These islands lie about the same distance from the Shetlands, a place inhabitanted since neolithic times.
And the Faroes are in a sea with islands, there was reason to sail out into the open sea there, unlike the central Atlantic.
>Also your math is off. Sao Tome is 180 miles from African coast while Madeira is over 500 miles from Portugal
Yeah I explicitly said it's comparable to cape Verde retard
>Nobody expects Africans to discover America but they could at least settle some islands right next to their continent
What reason is there to sail out into an empty ocean and risk drowning to discover tiny islands that may or may not exist? Both the Spanish and Portuguese had a concrete goal, to find a trade route to Asia, discovering new lands were simply a consequence of this and never the goal until after America was discovered.

>>17971194
>What reason is there to sail
Uhhh... exploration, trade, search of land, mining, source of food, simply being curious about what's out there?
What kind of question is that?
You are trying to cope because Africans simply were so underdeveloped it never even occurred to them.

>>17971135
>Evolution occurs every generation anon
It literally does not, high school dropout.

>>17971235
>Uhhh... exploration, trade, search of land, mining, source of food, simply being curious about what's out there?
It's easy to say this when you have a world map and know what's out there. Most of the time, when you go exploring you find nothing. Ignoring even the potential cost of life, such an expedition is a waste of time and money. Africa has a long coastline, yet there are few islands off it, so a random expedition has the deck stacked against it. Columbus himself traveled the courts of Europe and asked many kings, including those of England and France, to finance his exploration, and all but his last choice refused. They all saw it as a waste of money.
Look at Google maps and pick a west African port at random, you have maybe 180 degrees of possible directions you could travel, how many come across an island?

>>17971115
>they were more advanced than anything in Africa.
They didn't have iron working

>>17971135
>There is no environmental variable the can explain this. The only reasonable explanation for this is genetics.
So genetics explains Asian superiority then?

>>17971318
Yes? Obviously.
What did you expect me to say, "no no that's different"?

>>17970452
>these are tiny islands out in the middle of the ocean, an ocean no one had any reason to sail far out into.
So like the Faroes? Or Polynesia? Or the Andamans?

>>17971318
>heh but Whitey ain’t on top
Whites and Asians are very similar and their genetics show they have very similar levels of genes for IQ.

>>17971194
>Because Europeans got their first?
Exactly. That is the whole point anon.
All of these are islands close to African coast and they were first discovered not by Africans but Europeans. A testimony to African civilization backwardness but according to you they didn't discover them not because they couldn't but because they didn't feel like it. As they had no reason to venture that far out. What reason did Austronesians had when they sailed from Indonesia to Madagascar? A drive to explore the unknown is fundamental part of human spirit.

>>17971312
They had written language, calendar, wheel and structures taller than termite nest

>>17971135
>there is no environmental variable that can explain this
Ya because you are mostly talking about sociological phenomena that are often a result of geographic and environmental factors. There is a reason why civilizations flourished in the Fertile Crescent and not in some island in Polynesia. If you deny geography or environment you’re just an idiot.

>>17971157
Can you refute the book? I have yet to a hear a compelling critique of the book?

>>17966571 (OP)
>Lack of institutes
>Lack of stable large scale settled cutlure.
>>17966932

>>17971985
>A testimony to African civilization backwardness
Ignoring my argument doesn't make it go away, you should have learnt about that in kindergarten. Africans not discovering nearby islands first does not prove anything since Europeans were in the same situation only a century prior.
>What reason did Austronesians had when they sailed from Indonesia to Madagascar?
Look at a map of Indonesia, and then look at a map of Africa. What's the difference? Indonesia is a bunch of islands, of course they'd be sailing around all the time, and they'd be used to sailing away from shorelines into the open sea to travel to different islands. Africa meanwhile is a giant continental landmass, you can count the number of islands of a size worth mentioning off it's coast on one hand.
Look at a map of ocean currents, you'll see one that goes from Indonesia, a ship from Indonesia blown off course would naturally find itself on this current and taken towards Madagascar (this is the main theory as to how they arrived there)
Look at a map of Madagascar, compared it to scale to a map of cape Verde or Sao Tome, what's the difference?
Just think about it for 5 fucking seconds you retard

>>17971994
>They had written language
So did many Africans.
>calendar
They all did in Africa? You do know creating or using
Another groups calenders isn't aome crazy feat?
>wheel
They didn't have the wheel and axle and several states in Africa already did have exposure to spinning wheels or wheeled transport in limited areas. Why are you trying to keep this into a contest brownie?

>>17967010
>White people managed to sail to Britain
wrong, britain was connected by land bridge with the rest of europe and Scandinavia

>>17972643
>Africans not discovering nearby islands first does not prove anything since Europeans were in the same situation only a century prior.
There are islands 170 miles off the coast of Europe that were discovered by somebody else? Because if not they weren't in the same situation.

>What's the difference? Indonesia is a bunch of islands,
Indonesia is a bunch of islands close together. They should have no reason to sail across thousands of miles of empty ocean by your logic.

Just out of curiosity since you seem to have cope for everything, how do you explain Canary Islands? An archipelago near Africa that was visited by just about ancient civilisation - Romans, Greeks, Egyptians. Never by Africans though despite the fact that Mali empire was right next door. Was there some current from Mediterranean that brought them there or Mansa Musa never had good had reason to sail there but all these previous civilizations somehow did?

>>17972738
Most Africans didn't have written language. The only exception is the script in Ethiopia which was derived from Arabic. Benin, Mali, Zulus whatever had nothing. They didn't have calendars either nor wheels nor two story buildings

>>17973901
>ethiopia’s ge’ez script predates arabic by centuries and is a south semitic script that evolved independently
>multiple african societies had systems to track time based on astronomy and agriculture
>the sahelian cities had two story buildings.

The only thing you were right about was the wheel thing and written script thing. But even the mesoamericans never had the wheel and look how they turned out.

>>17974892
the last two are wrong, the first one I'm not sure but I don't want to looking it up on Wikipedia atm

>>17972592
>Can you refute the book? I have yet to a hear a compelling critique of the book?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yvQkCFzrI

>>17973901
>Most Africans didn't have written language
They still made use of scripts. You cant really day "most didn't" have while having to exclude a fuckton of groups amd regions to do so. Especially since several came up with their own that still are in use or competed with something like Latin before falling into irrelevance.

>Mali
Mali did make use of Ajami lol.
>They didn't have calendars either
Having a system to track time and seasons is one. Many groups tend to have their religious and/or Indigenous ones co-exist with the Julian one

>>17975182
How are you going to say the last two are wrong, not provide proof, and then say you wont doublecheck wikipedia for the first?

>two story buildings
The Tata-Somba Houses in Benin and the Mosque of Djenné in Timbuktu among others.

>astronomy
The Namoratunga site in Kenya and the Dogon culture in Mali

>>17975492
???????????????

>>17975492
Djenne mosque isn't actually two story it just looks like it from the outside because the ceiling is super high for no reason

>>17975492
>The Namoratunga site in Kenya
A bunch of stone pillars in the ground? Okay?
One guy says it has astronomical purpose. Cool.
Are you familiar with Ishango bone? Some people say it's the first mathematical tool. The engravings were used to perform some mathematical procedure. Others belief they were they for better grip. Yeah.
This is the state of African archaeology. Western academics elevating every little thing they made every formation of stones as having more sophisticated purpose behind it.

>>17975463
>Mali did make use of Ajami lol.
Introduced by Arabs

>>17976153
Wow just like the vast majority of people who learned a script. Is retaining, adapting it to local languages, and still using in daily for secular and religious purposes bad now? You are writing in a language that did the same thing to the Latin script.

>>17976116
>ceiling is super high for no reason
High ceilings are a super common feature in hot climates because it helps with air circulation which is a pretty potent temp moderator. It's why many hot places also have "open concept" room designs.

>>17976109
Yes, those houses contain two stories, but not even the most impressive example to pull from.

>>17976116
I was wrong about specifically the mosque, but the entire city does contain multiple two story buildings

>>17976151
"A bunch of stone pillars" on the ground is what stonehenge literally is.

>>17976385
>but the entire city does contain multiple two story buildings
perhaps now it does but in 15th century and such it likely didn't

>"A bunch of stone pillars" on the ground is what stonehenge literally is.
True and I wouldn't argue for the advancement of European civilization by pointing to Stonehenge

>>17966662
>dhey could, dhey would, but dhey kant so dhey dont.

Your intelligence is showing here...

>>17973901
>Most Africans
tfw african and my ancestors were inventing written language and iron tools on their own but get we grouped with fuck off jungle pygmies because we are the same "race" not to talk of species

>>17976851
*we get