Thread 17968134

Tell me about your favorite city/settlement

>>17968134 (OP)
It's a basic one, but my favorite city has to be Tenochtitlan. The Venice of the New World. It must have been absolutely gorgeous.
Though I've also been interested in the Mayan city of Copan, what with all their jade mining.

The recent discoveries in the amazon are absolutely insane, entire civilizations there that we had no idea existed. The possibility that they might have influenced the development of Andean civilization instead of vice versa is fucking shocking. Everything we know about south america is turning upside down. Did you know that the oldest evidence of human settlement in the americas is from fucking SOUTHERN CHILE instead of alaska or canada near the land bridge they supposedly came from? How is that possible!?

I just wish latin america was less of a corrupt violent shithole so more archeology could get done, theres so much unexcavated and unexplored stuff just sitting around in broad daylight(or being destroyed by subhuman corpos and looters)

>>17968134 (OP)
>>17968399
>Teotihuacan
>Tenochtitlan

Sometimes things are popular because they're just the right choice

>>17968458
The anglos and their masters are on a quest to destroy any cultural heritage in the Middle East and Latin America. Any place that would worship Sol, really.

>>17968458
>entire civilizations there that we had no idea existed
>mississippian-tier strawhuts and earthen mounds whose general presence we've always been aware of
can we please stop overhyping these discoveries in the amazon just because they're new

>>17969008
Mississippians had skilled mathematicians and astronomers anon.
They just suffered the same fate as Egypt but without a Mediterranean climate civilization to take over what they knew.

>>17969008
First of all mississipians are interesting and cool. Second of all im not just talking about whats in my pic, lidar surveys and archeology are literally making new discoveries faster than literature can keep up with them, its genuinely every day. This isn't just a couple of nicer than average huts this is hundreds of kms of manmade canals, earthworks, and farms. Even the most conservative estimates now place the pre columbian amazon population at 10-20 million, and new connections to the andean civilizations are popping up every day as well.

>>17968134 (OP)
Native Americans were often nomadic, and their settlements were usually transportable, so I can't show anything in particular. But their aesthetic is cinematic, and I love this nigga.

>>17969289
*Native north americans

>>17969289
>>17969299
*17th-19th century plains indians
Most of what is now the contiguous United States was akshually inhabited by sedentary societies in pre-columbian times

>>17969334
yeah a lot of the modern day usa had basically a mini apocalypse with a giant series of droughts and nomad invasions

>>17969288
I'm not as pessimistic as that anon, but the Upano Valley ruins were obscure, but known to both local and foreign archaeologists. It's a ceja de selva site, so some might even dismiss it as purely Amazonian or at least not what many were looking for.

As for the influence of the rainforest on early Andean cultures, it was a widely discussed and accepted topic long before Caral was discovered, way back when Chavin was in the spotlight.

>>17968134 (OP)
Not a particular one. Just shoutout to all the sites in Mexico that farmers tell no one about because if they did INAH would take their land. There's quite a few 'hills' that are in fact pyramids. I know some, even.

>>17971118
For example, Caral was aceramic. Pottery technology came to Peru through Ecuador’s coastal rainforest, but more prominently from the Amazon itself. This has been irrefutable for many decades, with the discovery of sites such as Tutishcainyo, along the Ucayali River, which certainly produced the Wayra-Jirca phase during the Kotosh pre-Chavin period. Since then, many ancient western rainforest sites have been discovered, and I am not referring to more recent ones like in the Upano Valley, but far older and more obscure, little known outside of regional archaeologists.

Among these are Huaca Monte Grande, near Jaen, and Huaca La Florida, near Palanda, both as old as Caral and associated with the Mayo-Chinchipe culture. Also notable are the sites of Las Puntas in Bagua and Huayurco, close to Jaen, which were contemporaneous with Chavin. When Las Puntas was discovered, it contained the oldest known examples of painted walls in the Amazon (at least at the time, not sure if that still holds). It was designated the “Bagua Culture” by Ruth Shady, who also discovered Caral. Meanwhile Huayurco was first explored by a disciple sent by Julio C. Tello, the discoverer of Chavin and a strong advocate of its Amazonian connections.

>>17968955
MENAjeets don't need the anglos to tell them to blow up historical sites to own the infidels/djinns

>>17971174
Similarly if I am not mistaken, it's now confirmed fully domestocated corn came somewhere from Colombia. Or something like that I forgot.

>>17971177
Sadly they are under the influence of Islam which I will remind you only exists because of Judaism spreading Venus worship in the world.

>>17971181
I haven’t heard about that. Maize in South America is very old, so much so that its greatest morphological diversity is found in Peru. Even then, it is not as old as in North America, but thousands of years younger, as far as I am aware.

>>17969008
What's the point of people like you on this board? If you don't like history and archeology why are you here?

>>17971191
They're just angry insecure faggots who want to ruin everything because they hate seeing other people be passionate and genuine

>>17971190
I was a bit shocked when I discovered your corn wasn't like our choclo, originally I thought it was just photoshoped or something, same with your potato and our papa amarilla.

>>17971136
I'm degusted that this happens but I get that the average person can't afford the hassle

The solution should be for INAH to get the funding it needs rather then it getting shortchanged, so it in turn has the funds to pay landowners to access/take property without them being as discouraged to contact INAH

Though from what I heard INAH actually bills landowners or something rather then the other way around? If so that's wild and I especially can't blame people for not speaking up

>>17971136
There's an absolutely ridiculous fuckton of them, they're everywhere, tens of thousands AT LEAST. Even most of the major ancient cities that have been turned into tourist sites are only like 10-15% excavated. I wish mexico/guatemala was less of a corrupt nightmare and more people gave a shit about mesoamerican archeology. The average person thinks that before Columbus they were just a bunch of hut dwelling savages that built a few crumbling stone pyramids and thats it, instead of enormous highly developed empires with tens of millions of people.

>>17968134 (OP)
Wouldn't say it's my favorite but El Tajin is pretty underrated. They were obsessed with playing the ballgame and one of their temples was blue, which is pretty cool

>>17973700
Yes, your land is taken with basically no compensation because you are, legally, squatting on it. (All cultural patrimony belongs to the nation and cannot be privately owned).
>a few crumbling stone pyramids and thats it
Yeah it's pretty sad. Especially considering even the parts that ARE excavated already have some insane nuggest we just don't know more about. (For example, those tiny little ducts between Pyramids in Teotihuacan, wtf were they for).

>>17975497
awesome layout, i'll have to look them up

>>17976149
I mean, I don't inherently have a problem with the goverment being able to take land that has archeological materials if the landowner is well compensated, and especially if the resulting photos, scans, and other material from the excavations and study of artifacts became Public Domain or CC BY

But I know INAH isn't that permissive with Copyright of their photos, and that their budget is super limited and as I said, apparently landowners don't always get a lot of compensation