Thread 17968937

Chat is this real??

>>17968937 (OP)
Danzig had an autonomous status and people there elected NSDAP over and over again so why was Hitler demanding something that was already a fact?

>>17968937 (OP)
I like how the mentions that Poland was ruled by a MILITARY JUNTA (it's a bad thing for any country but germany apparently)

>>17969059
Also:
>ethnic cleaning is bad when anybody but Germany does it

No.

>>17968937 (OP)
>ruled by a junta
Yes. Albeit simplified, but the Polish government was by far not democratic or moral or passive.

>killing ethnic Germans
No. And if you can prove that ethnic Germans were being massacred in Poland before the war you will likely win the Nobel prize.

>Unconditional military alliance
No. A military alliance is never unconditional. Why should Poland be interested in binding itself to German adventures.

>Only wanted access to Danzig
No. And their demands kept increasing to include the corridor, and they annexed polish land up to Lodz and Poznan.
Also, Poland had good reasons to doubt German claims they "only" wanted German parts like Danzig, after what happened to Czechia.
True or not we don't know, but this is what the Poles perceived based on Germanys track record.

>Britain started ww2
Then it's fair to say Germany started ww1 since we're going to blame the intervention of an ally.

>Irrational war
Wasn't irrational. Germany was aggressively expanding and it was completely within the interests of France and Britain to prevent a dominant continental rival from emerging and disrupting the status quo that had been won.

>Without provocations
Except Germany had threatened war in virtually every negotiation and finally went to war as soon as they were told no. This isn't normal nor acceptable behavior among states. Not then. Not today.

>Britain doesn't declare war on both Germany and USSR simultaneously
Not really an argument. It's just seething that it was a pragmatic necessity to deal with one at a time and not bring the other in as a natural allt to your already powerful enemy.
Regardless, Germany was the main threat because
1. Germany technically border both Britain and France
2. Germany is more militarily sophisticated and industrialized and thus more threatening.
The Crimean war never threatened Britain and France. Ww1 did.

>>17968937 (OP)
Yes. Great Britain who bankrupt, now US vessel.

>>17969087
Lol his only source was a paper published by Hitlers own government, and then seethe when people have doubts on it. What a fucking clown.

>>17969087
More reliable than post-modern revisionists.

Ignore the clowns above.

>>17969125
How is it more reliable than actual evidence you moron?
Or more specifically, the lack of evidence.

That paper was written by Hitlers government.

Regular reminder that in Mein Kampf Hitler writes that saving Germans from ethnic cleansing is not worth starting a war over and they should be left to rot.

>>17969148
South Tyrol was not ethnic cleansing and the Austrians did do that to Italians before that in Istria and Dalmatia so they deserved it anyway

>>17969103
Trannies and migrants though.
You lose.

>>17969110
>Hitler's government is unreliable
because???

>>17969059
>>17969079
>criticize Poland
>"but Germany!"
obsessed
>>17969103
>youll win a nobel prize by attacking a very well guarded narrative
why? Why the fuck would they give a nobel prize for providing legitimacy to a perceived genocidal regime?
>why should Poland
does it matter? it was a good faith offer to Poland.
>demands
they did NOT keep increasing, in fact it was the opposite, its actually apart of the orthodoxy that Poland was increasingly unreasonable being totally obstinate with Germany over Danzig and Gydnia.
>they annexed Polish land
That was German land actually.
>Poland had good reason to doubt
nope.
Hacha invited the Germans in the Germans never annexed anything beyond Sudete.
you are just wrong but you will die on this hill because without it your narrative collapses.
>Poles percieved
uh no LOL
We have Polish records, they were monumentally retarded and they admitted they were retarded and too hardheaded and paid wayyy too much heed to the British and French.

Why (You) disagreeing with the Polish assessment of their own foreign policy?
Right because (You)'re making things up because you dont actually know what Polish leadership was thinking.
>Germany started WW1
Germany didnt intercede in Austrian-Serbian relations.
>an ally
Not technically an alliance and the British knew at the time would lose and lose hard because the British could offer no support.
>The British Chiefs of Staff at the time however noted that "we could give no direct help by land, sea or air."[8]
It was a cynical cassus belli to enter a second war with Germany.
>wasnt irrational
It was.
>Germany was expanding
nope. Germany did not expand beyond the borders of Imperial Austria and Germany.
>dominant continental rival
You mean the Soviet Union?
>not then not today
both the UK and France are completely impotent in the face of Russian and American hegemony over Europe.
>pragmatic necessity
Why not just not declare war on Germany too then?

>>17969103
>Germany is technically on the border of both Britain and France
nope.
Germany and Britian do not share a land border.
>Germany is more threatening than a much larger nation
its not, you made that up

>>17969134
>government reports arent evidence because I dont like their politics
>>17969148
wow its almost like Hitler was a reasonable guy who didnt start wars. This makes me think the narrative about Hitler as aggressor is a lie.

>>17969230
>Poland was increasingly unreasonable by refusing to give nazis stuff for free
Damn, nazis are really insane, it was a good thing that we put them down

>>17969235
>wow its almost like Hitler was a reasonable guy who didnt start wars. This makes me think the narrative about Hitler as aggressor is a lie.
Correct

>>17969230
>Why the fuck would they give a nobel prize for providing legitimacy to a perceived genocidal regime?
Because if you can prove that it happened, or at least provide credible evidence that suggests that it may have happened, then it really doesn't matter what everyone else thinks.
So yes, your would recieve both fame and fortune for proving something no one else has been able to prove.

>>17969230
>does it matter? it was a good faith offer to Poland.
Because states are not obligated to accept every demand in every negotiation.
That's not how the real sane functional world works.

>>17969230
>they did NOT keep increasing, in fact it was the opposite, its actually apart of the orthodoxy that Poland was increasingly unreasonable being totally obstinate with Germany over Danzig and Gydnia.
Uhm yes they did keep raising their demands on Poland.
At first the demand was Danzig and for Poland to join the anti-comintern pact.
Then it gradually increased to more demands, the nationalized infrastructure across Poland, the plebiscite based on dubious criterias etc. Eventually it was for the control of the entire corridor.

>>17969230
>Gdynia
Polish city built and developed totally by Poles

>>17969230
>Germany didnt intercede in Austrian-Serbian relations
Ww1 would never have become a world war. It would have been a short and local conflict between Russia and the Habsburg empire.

The Germans then decided to attack Russia, France and Belgium for no reason other than "I must intervene against this Habsburg-Russian war".

Kinda what you're accusing Britain of starting ww2 by doing.
So yes by your own logic, it makes Germany absolutely responsible for ww1.

>>17969230
>Not technically an alliance and the British knew at the time would lose and lose hard because the British could offer no support.
"I can attack your ally because you won't be able to defend him in time" isn't an argument.

>>17969355
>just let the russians invade your ally in an unjust invasion bro!

Germany casued both world wars, them being occupied by USA since 45 is one of the reason for peace in Europe

>>17969355
>Kinda what you're accusing Britain of starting ww2 by doing.
>So yes by your own logic, it makes Germany absolutely responsible for ww1.
Worse really, the equivalent would be if Britain had preemptively declared war on and invaded Italy a couple days before any German soldiers even stepped foot into Poland.
>>17969367
>just let the Germans invade your ally in an unjust invasion bro

>>17968937 (OP)
Yes. Poles are negroes

>>17968937 (OP)
There is literally no evidence, even from pro-Germans such as David Irving, that Poland engaged in ethnic cleansing of the German population in the Danzig corridor. The only massacre that took place was in Bromberg, and that happened AFTER the invasion. The invasion of Poland happened because Hitler wanted to reunify the German-speaking world and reconnect Germany with East Prussia

>>17969482
>Bromberg
It also only happend because german partisants open fire on retreating Polish Army, high % of local germans choosing to fight for nazis was a big reason for 1945-1948 deportations of germans from Poland

>>17968937 (OP)
>Only wanted access to Danzig
>>>17969230
Hitler wrote openly in 1921 that whole Poland needs to be destroyed by Germany.
He published numerous articles in German newspapers before Mein Kampf where he outlined his plans.

>>17969244
>Poolish tranime poster on cue
Wouldnt be a WWII thread without you.
>>17969336
>if you can prove it then it doesnt matter what others think
No, thats the whole point of censorship, to guard consensus.
You are either acting in bad faith or ignorance.
>you would receive both fame and fortune for proving something no one else has been able to prove
really because it seems like people who do this are ostracized and only recognized as worthy long after they died and a new generation can re-assess their views.
Name literally one person who challenged a moral orthodoxy and was lauded for it BEFORE they died.

>>17969338
>states are not obligated to accept every demand
no one said this.
>real sane functional world works
We are watching slavic retardation in real time.
"next time it will be five"
I can only imagine the Aura Germany had "Next time it will be Warsaw"
Slavs are just retarded. They will literally throw their lives away for nothing because their political leadership is retarded.

Poland was monumentally stupid.
At the very least dont you think Poland could have bought more time by making incremental concessions to Hitler in order for the UK and France to at the very least prepare for war?
>>17969343
>they did
nope.
They went from Old Prussia, to Gydnia, to a railroad to Danzig.
Their demands kept going down.
>increased to more demands
like what?
>eventually
NO!
That was a demand by Weimar, Hitler backed off from that and his final demands were asking for a German funded road to Danzig.
>>17969346
Gydnia wasnt 100% Polish so no, but if this is your criteria then most of Western Poland belongs to Germany as it was built and developed primarily by Germans.
>>17969355
>WWI would never have become a world war
What do you mean? Germany-Austria-Russia is a localized conflict between countries that share borders. Their colonial holdings were peanuts compared to Britian and France.
However I am perfectly willing to concede WWI was 100% Germany's fault if you concede WWII was 0% Hitler's fault.
Deal?
>for no reason
You mean they had a military alliance with Austria.
>accusing Britain by doing
Germany had a lot to gain from a victory against Russia.
Britain literally lost more than Germany by their victory in WWII.
>it makes Germany responsible
it doesnt because Russia was the one intervening in Austrian-Serbian affairs.
If Russia didnt mobilize, there is no great war.
It remains a localized domestic affair within The Balkans.

>>17968937 (OP)
While Germany was making demands upon Poland, Ukrainian commandos in eastern Poland were preparing an uprising. They prepared a list of local Polish notables for elimination, and beginning in September 1939, Ukrainian deserters from the Polish army began forming their own units.

Soon, Ukrainian militias were attacking Polish villages, and Ukrainians were expressing gratitude to Hitler. After every massacre of the Polish population in villages and towns, Ukrainian women and children arrived on horse-drawn carriages to plunder homes before torching them to the ground.

>>17969361
Its good no one is making that argument, now address my actual post.
>>17969393
>peace in Europe
>Cold War
>Yugroid wars
>Ukraine war
Its not a German problem, never was, its a Slavic problem.
>>17970122
>Hitler wrote openly in 1921 that whole Poland needs to be destroyed by Germany.
>He published numerous articles in German newspapers before Mein Kampf where he outlined his plans.
This is contraindicated by the fact Hitler recognized Poland officially as a state and recognized Polish land claims, the first German head of state to do so since the Middle Ages.
Poland SHOULD have been destroyed given how they have behaved.
>>17969516
Actually it happened before the invasion even took place and Germans said it did.
just like Gleiwitz which we now know due to declassified documents was in fact a Polish raid on Germany and one of many.
Read Unz Review.

>>17970326
You dont even know what that is.

>>17970306
Now Nazis are claiming Gdynia as a German city too. Amazing.

>>17969079
Cleansing German people is unironically good.

>>17970288
>No, thats the whole point of censorship, to guard consensus.
Literally no one is stopping you from doing your own research.
And if so, explain how.
>>17970306
>Their demands kept going down.
Their demands went from 2 points in january, to 16 points in August.
How is that going down?

>Poland was monumentally stupid.
Maybe Poland should have invaded Germany on 1933 when Grrmany was weaker.

>no one said this.
Good. Then Germany was the aggressor because Poland wasn't obligated to accept the negotiations.

Also "no one said this" Californian nazi larper confirmed. You are alone on this board.

>What do you mean? Germany-Austria-Russia is a localized conflict between countries that share borders.
Nope it was a Austrian-Russian dispute then Germany randomly invades France and a British ally and declared war on Russia lol.

>You mean they had a military alliance with Austria.
And Britain with Poland.

>it doesnt because Russia was the one intervening in Austrian-Serbian affairs.
Nope Serbia was just a spat over two great powers who should have been duking it out in isolation with each others. The winner takes Serbia.
Then the Germans randomly inserted themselves and blew the conflict up into a world war.

I see no other reason other than jews controlling Germany.

>Germany had a lot to gain from a victory against Russia
What did they gain exactly? They became a British and French vassal. Seems irrational.
Obviously other forces were at play here.

>If Russia didnt mobilize, there is no great war.
It remains a localized domestic affair within The Balkans.
Correction: if Germany doesn't insert itself then it becomes a dispute between two great powers of equal strength who may even be able to resolve the issue peacefully over the far more weak and tiny Serbia.

>>17970306
>then most of Western Poland belongs to Germany as it was built and developed primarily by Germans.
Nah. Germans got kicked out.

>>17970317
>Its good no one is making that argument, now address my actual post.
You constantly make that argument you dumb amerimutt low iq mestizo.

You constantly bring up that Britain was on no position to physically aid Poland, ergo its one of your arguments.

Then you do your typical low iq retort of either "???????????????" Or the "Nonome said this".

You really are fucking stupid.
Go back to Mexico.

>>17970317
>read my nazi slop malware site
No
Anyway, you out of all people shouldn't feel angry that Polish army was shooting back at partistans

>>17968937 (OP)
Im mean as a polish person i hope its true, only reason and I repeat the only reason prussians hate Poland is because they still can't get over the fact they lost against Poland in one of the biggest medieval battles which was tannenberg 1410, where else did this anti polish sentiment come from?

Why do Nazoids and tankies like to conveniently leave out that both of their authoritarian regimes schemed together to partition Poland and Eastern Europe?

>>17971540
Because that happened several months after Poland made known her refusal to cooperate with Germany

>>17970852
Gdingen was a small village when Prussia took it, and it was a respectable town when Germany was forced to transfer it to Poland 150 years later

>>17971906
nazism was bulid on stealing things from more capable nations and slave labour so it's pretty clear

>>17968937 (OP)
>unsourced social media post by literally who
Yeah must be true, you fuckin retard

>>17969148
Danzig and the Sudetenland were actually part of Germany and Austria before 1918 though. Pretty sure he was talking about the many Germans who deliberately chose to live outside the borders of the German states in mein kampf.

>>17972319
South Tyrol had been a part of Austria. So it's absolutely comparable.
Likewise had Alsace-Lorraine been a part of Germany.

Not that it matters, since Sudetenland had never been part of Germany, not had Prague, and Denmark for that matter had more claim to rhe german states of Schleswig Holstein than Germany had to the Polish corridor.

Regardless, if states acted like Germany there would be endless wars across the globe. You don't automatically get a claim to a land because ethnics lives there.
It was also this kind of thinking which caused 12 million Germans to be expelled in 1945.

Germany should have accepted the fact that they lost the war in 1918 and moved on, but Hitler and his retards firmly believed that victory had been stolen in 1918. His entire movement had been build on a lie, that Germany could have won ww1 and only sued for peace because it was backstabbed

That's Twitter my boy

>>17970317
>Actually it happened before the invasion even took place and Germans said it did.
nigga why lie?

>>17968937 (OP)
>>17969087
I'm kinda chuddy but these people conveniently forget that he did the same for
>Rhineland
which was supposed to remain demilitarized
>Austria
okay mountain krauts
>Czechoslovakia
yes they pogrom germans but they occupied the entire country
>rearming quickly to trigger a panic and an arms race
Okay I get the threat from the US and USSR

You gotta draw the line somewhere. The British policy was the same for centuries, balance of power in the continent

>>17969087
>"Name ONE (1) time this actually happened"
>Zoomer Shillstorian immediatly goes into gish gallop mode
It amazes me just how much stormfags behave exactly like the jews they always bitch about. Complete jelly

>>17969059
>ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS! (except when Hitler or Putin does it)
>MILITARISM IS BAD! (except when Hitler or Putin does it)
>ETHNIC CLEANSING AND RACIAL AGITATION IS BAD! (except when Hitler or Putin does it)