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Anonymous No.17969407 >>17969508 >>17970035 >>17970129 >>17970213 >>17970217 >>17970269 >>17970428 >>17970448 >>17970456 >>17970832 >>17970895
Why did America backstab the civilized tribes?
They embraced European culture and didn't go around scalping settlers. So why do chuds constantly tell me that the Indians were always the aggressors?
Anonymous No.17969508
>>17969407 (OP)
1. NEVER TRUST THE GOVERNMENT
Politics is Treachery
Anonymous No.17969605 >>17970192
>they embraced european culture
>posts half breeds
Anonymous No.17970035 >>17970192
>>17969407 (OP)
Nonwhites, more like, nonhumans, amirite?
Anonymous No.17970129 >>17970192
>>17969407 (OP)
The southerners wanted more land to grow cotton on and the cold hard truth is that americans back then quite simply did not think of indians as equals no matter how much european culture they might have adopted
Anonymous No.17970191
>So why do chuds constantly tell me that the Indians were always the aggressors?
Because they're racist/ignorant/dishonest and there's really nothing more to it than that.
Anonymous No.17970192
>>17969605
>>17970035
Arguments?
>>17970129
trvke
Anonymous No.17970213
>>17969407 (OP)
Because racism is about skin color, not cultural assimilation
Anonymous No.17970217 >>17970220 >>17970225 >>17970227 >>17970260 >>17970567
>>17969407 (OP)
>civilized tribes
Anonymous No.17970220 >>17970226
>>17970217
They fit the exact definition of "civilized" the state dictated and defined.
Anonymous No.17970225
>>17970217
That's literally what white settlers called them you retard.
Anonymous No.17970226 >>17970235
>>17970220
>This tribe was civilized because a half blood wrote a language for them before they were deported
Anonymous No.17970227 >>17970232
>>17970217
>Within a quarter-century, the Cherokee Nation had reached a literacy rate of almost 100%, surpassing that of surrounding European-American settlers.[4]
Anonymous No.17970232 >>17970236 >>17970245 >>17970260
>>17970227
I wonder if a Marxist wrote this
Anonymous No.17970235 >>17970601 >>17970662
>>17970226
They were considered civilized because they adopted several aspects of anglo-american culture like their dress, christianity, centralized governments and written constitutions. As the guy above your post pointed out, it looks you're trying to make it sound like the whole concept is some silly modern invention when the term was invented by 18th century white europeans.
Anonymous No.17970236 >>17970241
>>17970232
You must be retarded.
Anonymous No.17970241 >>17970243 >>17970255 >>17970600 >>17970836
>>17970236
go ahead and find a source for 100% literacy rate for actual stone age hunter gatherers
Anonymous No.17970243 >>17970260
>>17970241
Spring, Joel H. (2004). Deculturalization and the struggle for equality : a brief history of the education of dominated cultures in the United States (Fourth ed.). McGraw. p. 26.
Anonymous No.17970245 >>17970247
>>17970232
>Marxism is when injuns can read
Anonymous No.17970247 >>17970253 >>17970256 >>17970260
>>17970245
Marxism is when sociologists write historical propaganda to make brown people feel good
Anonymous No.17970253
>>17970247
There are primary sources which attest to this, silly
Anonymous No.17970255
>>17970241
>stone age hunter-gatherers
By the 19th century the Cherokee universally had guns & metal tools, wore coats, owned black slaves and practiced agriculture (something they had been doing since before colonization btw). Did you just assume they somehow managed to stay frozen in time in the hundreds of years between first making contact with europeans and the trail of tears?
Anonymous No.17970256 >>17970257
>>17970247
>making brown people feel good is....le bad!
Anonymous No.17970257 >>17970260
>>17970256
>we need to lessen ourselves in history to give browns fake wins
Anonymous No.17970260 >>17970264 >>17970436
>>17970217
>Retarded claim
>>17970232
>buzzword to squirm out of conceding
>>17970243
>gets btfo here
>>17970247
>>17970257
>starts melting down

Rangeban all /pol/trannies
Anonymous No.17970264 >>17970362 >>17971028
>>17970260
I'm serious, you think the Cherokee had a 100% literacy rate? I know that's not true. The reason the Cherokee fell was because they rejected western things, including a language
Anonymous No.17970269
>>17969407 (OP)

Seminoles were never formally "conquered", own Hard Rock Cafe, have a major University "mascot" named after them with zero bad blood or "offense" of any kind and they're all born with Trust Funds and basically become millionaires when they turn 18.........They're fine.

Osceloa was 1/2 white anyway, and there are almost no "pure blood injuns" left anywhere in the US, especially on the East Coast where they've been in contact with Whites for 1000 years, counting the Vikings. They too "prefer" White bussy. Go figure?
Anonymous No.17970362 >>17970378
>>17970264
Also they couldn't pass land reform fast enough. Natives had no concept of land ownership, only hunting territory. Sometimes you lost good hunting territory. They "tiered up" with their constitution which claimed the land as communally owned. But communal ownership of land isn't recognized private property.

Of course this was an attempt by the Cherokee to appear more civilized so they wouldn't get deported. The Cherokee were granted special rights by Washington to help fend off a possible Spanish invasion. Federalists were trying to stall expansion of the south especially in Georgia. They stole a lot of land in the south. Hundreds of millions of acres.
Anonymous No.17970378 >>17970385
>>17970362
Holy shit do you lack the ability to read your own posts?
Anonymous No.17970385
>>17970378
You know what land reform is, right? Its trying to turn tribal/communal land into privately owned land. Fencing the Commons
Anonymous No.17970391 >>17970421
Land hunger was the main driver. The Cotton Kingdom boom had just begun, and gold had been discovered near Native territory in 1828.
Anonymous No.17970421
>>17970391
Their own leaders, half breeds, signed the treaty to move to oklahoma and they ambushed and killed them.
Anonymous No.17970428
>>17969407 (OP)
They were weak, the natives who fought back were more respectable.
Anonymous No.17970436 >>17970513 >>17970567
>>17970260
lol
you have schizo brain disorder
Anonymous No.17970448
>>17969407 (OP)
Americans never planned to negotiate and there was nothing the Indians could have ever done to make themselves acceptable by the Americans.
The intent was always extermination and marginalization. Nothing would ever change that.
Anonymous No.17970456 >>17970467 >>17970499 >>17970559 >>17970567
>>17969407 (OP)
non whites deserved to be rounded up and either killed off or forced into containment zones because they're a violent and ignorant plague standing in the way of progress. If it wasn't for trying to drag them, kicking and screaming, into the brotherhood of mankind then we would have already colonized the stars.
Anonymous No.17970467 >>17970487
>>17970456
>they're a violent and ignorant plague standing in the way of progress
stroads allover the place and shitty franchise stores selling "American" goods?

>we would have already colonized the stars.
So we can have more shitty stroads allover the place and shitty franchise stores selling "Earth" goods?
Anonymous No.17970487 >>17970518 >>17970567 >>17970678
>>17970467
literally nothing is stopping you from going back to the way your people are supposed to be living
Anonymous No.17970499 >>17970514
>>17970456
good bait
Anonymous No.17970513
>>17970436
>So you see, its not just one retard shitting up the thread, its multiple
>bet you feel stupid now huh
/pol/niggers need to be liquefied in a vat of acid.
Anonymous No.17970514 >>17970518 >>17970567 >>17970597
>>17970499
>bait
you wish
Anonymous No.17970518 >>17970540
>>17970487
>>17970514
So terminally online and retarded.
Anonymous No.17970540 >>17970564 >>17970597
>>17970518
>schizo cope
you are sad, and your delusions that you conjure up to deal with information you don't want to face are not healthy.
Anonymous No.17970559 >>17970567
>>17970456
>continues to melt down over losing the argument an hour earlier
You didn't have to embarrass yourself like this anon.
Anonymous No.17970564 >>17970587
>>17970540
Says the retard that copes with his debilitating antisocial tendencies by claiming there's something wrong with society for not letting him call customers racial slurs at his wagie job. Go to school and make something of yourself, retard. Go learn a trade. That's assuming you aren't some paid agitprop spammer from the third world. You've literally been at this for months. You have some serious psychosis going on.
Anonymous No.17970567
>>17970559
wtf are you talking about?

these are my post itt:
>>17970514
>>17970487
>>17970456
>>17970217
>>17970436

I am, correct.
Anonymous No.17970587
>>17970564
You're retarded
Anonymous No.17970589 >>17970598
>>17970578
Yet why did you have to bring all that up exactly? Did you think it would make us think better of you?
Anonymous No.17970597
>>17970540
NASA was already cutting funding before and long after the pic here >>17970514.
Anonymous No.17970598 >>17970606 >>17970610
>>17970589
You are free to conjure up whatever delusions you want to create in order to dismiss information you do not want to face, but that is all they are.
Anonymous No.17970600
>>17970241
Most retarded post of the thread award
Anonymous No.17970601
>>17970235
>They were considered civilized because they adopted several aspects of anglo-american culture like their dress, christianity, centralized governments and written constitutions.

also owning slaves of African origin.
Anonymous No.17970606 >>17970625
>>17970598
you lost the culture war 60 years ago and haven't recovered since
Anonymous No.17970610
>>17970598
Lmao you deleted your own post.
Anonymous No.17970625
>>17970606
more like 500 years ago, and the world is slowly coming to that realization
Anonymous No.17970662 >>17970686
>>17970235
the "civilized" natives were murdered for betraying their people and were half bloods
Anonymous No.17970678 >>17970682 >>17970698
>>17970487
Except the fact that whitoids genocided the buffalo and decimated the ecosystem in the great plains for cornfields
Anonymous No.17970682 >>17970689
>>17970678
You can't complain about the buffalo and not at least support the Confederacy
Anonymous No.17970686 >>17970700
>>17970662
Why do you keep repeating that non-stop. Do you have some sort of complex?
Anonymous No.17970687
Any thread on white extermination of natives brings out the absolute worst people posting complete lies
Anonymous No.17970689 >>17970723
>>17970682
What does that have to do with anything? If you were talking about the Confederacy earlier then I just entered the thread so I don't care
Anonymous No.17970698 >>17970706 >>17970707 >>17970709
>>17970678
go back and hunt them, if you can
but without white technology like everything more complicated than stone age tools, you won't do shit but scavenge carrion from actual predators and eat plants
Anonymous No.17970700
>>17970686
Maybe I forgot I posted it
Anonymous No.17970706 >>17970715
>>17970698
>white technology like everything more complicated than stone age tools
I know you aren't White because White people are too smart to believe something this retarded.
Anonymous No.17970707 >>17970715
>>17970698
>rants and posts a pic of wildebeest in Kenya.
Lmao why do you love outing yourself as a total moron like this?
Anonymous No.17970709 >>17970715
>>17970698
Those are fucking wildebeest, buffalo simply do not exist in sufficient numbers today to sustain a traditional lifestyle, besides US policy for over a century has been to forcibly integrate Amerindians into concepts such as property ownership and sedentism

Why am I even wasting time talking to a mental /pol/tard
Anonymous No.17970715 >>17970722 >>17970733
>>17970706
>>17970707
>>17970709
Oh yes, I did suggest that non whites should all go live in africa. That was in fact deliberate. Did you think I care about meaningless distinctions between various brown and black people? If you did, then you were very mistaken.
Anonymous No.17970722 >>17970730
>>17970715
lol you're special
Anonymous No.17970723
>>17970689
Funnily enough the Confederacy's Indian liaison was Albert Pike, the freemason
Anonymous No.17970730 >>17970733 >>17970739 >>17970742
>>17970722
If all nonwhites were confined to sub saharan africa, free from white interference, then surely in no time that would become to world's leading civilization, correct?
Anonymous No.17970733 >>17970737
>>17970715
>>17970730
you must be at least 18 to post here btw
Anonymous No.17970737
>>17970733
>You are free to conjure up whatever delusions you want to create in order to dismiss information you do not want to face, but that is all they are.
Anonymous No.17970739
>>17970730
So edgy, I'm shaking
Anonymous No.17970742 >>17970750
>>17970730
It's always about Africa with you guys.
Anonymous No.17970750
>>17970742
Explain the utility which can be gained from differentiating between different sorts of non whites.
Anonymous No.17970773
colonialism is a form of multiculturalism
Anonymous No.17970832
>>17969407 (OP)
The southern democrats wanted the farming land in Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi because it is good. But the common belief at the time (as seen in Burnett's account of the Trail of Tears) was that an Indian boy sold a gold nugget to a trader, which alerted the southern democrats that gold existed in Georgia.
Anonymous No.17970836
>>17970241
By the 1840s the Creeks lived pretty much the exact same lifestyle as European settlers, with the same technology, with the exception of a tribal social structure.
Anonymous No.17970853
I cannot remember the full source I had for this but I remember reading something about how the Cherokee in Georgia in particular were expelled after civilizing and becoming peaceable because of the discovery of gold on their land
The government didn’t particularly want to expel them in that instance but the local White population was preparing to start a race war so they could prospect for gold and the government stepped in and kicked the Cherokee out
Anonymous No.17970895 >>17970902 >>17971589
>>17969407 (OP)
Because of the Democratic Party Manifesto Doctrine since the Golden Circle had failed and Southerners didn't even see White Hispanics who fought against Mexico with them as equals, imagine Indians.
Anonymous No.17970902
>>17970895
In the Texas Independence, when Southern newspapers began reporting that the Texas War was a conflict between White Anglo-Americans against the "Hispanic-Mongrel inferior race" and their tyrannical government. Stephen Austin, a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle, defined this War as "A war of barbarism and of despotic principles, waged by the mongrel Spanish-Indian and Negro race, against civilization and the Anglo-American race".

All this is a big lie, the Mexican Tejanos had formed a rebellion side by side with the American Colonists, having as their main objective to fight against the dictatorship of Antonio López de Santa Anna. After the Revolution ended, the Norteños who had risen against Mexico City were betrayed, Southerners immigrated en masse to this newly independent country to build new slave plantations along the Coast, and the Norteños who lived there lost their possessions and were expelled from their lands. Juan Seguín, who had been elected mayor of San Antonio in Texas, was sent into exile after a mob of Southerners arrivals accused him of being a Mexican spy. He returned to that land years later after proving his innocence only to discover that Texas had become a racially segregated society, where Norteños were forced to live on land located along the Rio Grande and at that time none of them had any hope of obtaining political representation.

>"At every hour of the day and night, my countrymen ran to me for protection against the assaults or exactions of those adventurers. Sometimes, by persuasion, I prevailed on them to desist; some times, also, force had to be resorted to. How could I have done other wise? Were, not the victims my own countrymen, friends and associates? Could; I leave them defenceless, exposed to the assaults of foreigners, who, on the pretext that they were Mexicans, treated them worse than brutes." (A Foreigner in My Own Land: Juan Nepomuceno Seguin Flees Texas, 1842)
Anonymous No.17971028 >>17971938
>>17970264
>including a language
So are you claiming that literacy is when you speak and read English?
Anonymous No.17971589 >>17971910
>>17970895
>White Hispanics
Anonymous No.17971910 >>17971914
>>17971589
Spanish people are genetically grouped with Northern Italians (the reason why Roman samples are grouped with them), they and other Mediterranean peoples were the first Europeans to invent the concept of Whiteness for being neighbors of North Africans and Middle Easterners. The first to have contact with Sub-Saharan Africans and Amerindians, hence concepts such as Limpieza de Sangre, Leyenda Negra, Casta, Gente de Razón and the word Nigger comes from Negro. The British Colonies tried unsuccessfully to copy the Spanish model in America at first since there were no contemporary Amerindian civilizations there to control and their colonization was more based on Private Companies than the Crown Companies because of the Constitutional/Parliamentary Revolution.
Anonymous No.17971914 >>17971919
>>17971910
Anonymous No.17971919
>>17971914
Anonymous No.17971938 >>17971953
>>17971028
>literacy is when you speak and read English
If in America, then yes.
Anonymous No.17971953
>>17971938
How about in the Cherokee Nation?