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Anonymous No.17971839 >>17971844 >>17971847 >>17971901 >>17971907 >>17972042 >>17972053 >>17972272 >>17972870 >>17972877 >>17972880 >>17973434 >>17973488 >>17973529
>90% of the movies about WW II are about the useless Day D (that only existed because of the fear of the Red Army taking over all of Germany)
>Never mentions that 90% of the German army and 75% of the Axis forces were defeated by the Soviets
>Basically fought against a fifth-rate army on D-Day and in the Ardennes because the best Germans were being sodomized by the Red Army. And they almost lost in the Ardennes.
>"Bubibibibubu China will not danks us...."
Anonymous No.17971844 >>17971847 >>17971989 >>17972226
>>17971839 (OP)
>90% of the German army and 75% of the Axis forces were defeated by the Soviets
Lol, you're funny. America won ww2.
Anonymous No.17971847 >>17972053
>>17971839 (OP)
>>17971844


>Fight against teenagers and old people because the best of the Nazi Army was being massacred in the East
>Almost lost in the Ardennes and only didn't lose because the Germans ran out of fuel because the resources were being used in the East
>"Look how amazing we are!!! Lets make the movie number 999 about the Day D"
Anonymous No.17971901 >>17972857
>>17971839 (OP)
In 1943, Nikolai Voznesensky, head of the Soviet State Planning Committee, stated that Lend-Lease supplies accounted for only 4% of the Red Army's material production.

The majority of the supplies and aid distributed under the U.S. Lend-Lease Act went to the United Kingdom. Of the $50.1 billion in total supplies provided, approximately $31.4 billion was delivered to the UK, making it the largest recipient of aid under the program by a significant margin.

United Kingdom: Received approximately $31.4 billion.

Soviet Union: Received around $11.3 billion

Figures cited vary widely, with some suggesting that Lend-Lease may have supplied around 5% of the total value of Soviet war effort but that this number is misleading due to the critical nature of the items provided.
Anonymous No.17971907 >>17972278
>>17971839 (OP)
>avoids mentioning Japan by name
Kek this out of touch boomer. There's no point in continuing to pretend these countries are anything but a liability. Vassals in the Pacific ceased to be relevant after the USSR collapsed. Their location is meaningless since we have fucking hypersonic missiles now and can just nuke the chinks from Washington in a minute.
Anonymous No.17971957 >>17972053 >>17972418
OP sounds like a college freshman who joined a tankie subreddit and now swallows their propaganda uncritically because it has "opened his eyes" to American propaganda about WW2
Anonymous No.17971989 >>17972053
>>17971844
Implying Americans can fight. Lol.
Anonymous No.17972042
>>17971839 (OP)
>movies made by America glorify America
imagine my shock
>pic
lol what a manchild
Anonymous No.17972053 >>17972058 >>17972059 >>17972290 >>17972415 >>17972421
>>17971839 (OP)
>>17971847
>>17971957
>>17971989
Isn't it something like over 90% of the boots, tires, trucks and fuel the russians used during the war came from the US?
Anonymous No.17972058 >>17972415 >>17972421
>>17972053
Yes
Anonymous No.17972059 >>17972076 >>17972415 >>17972421
>>17972053
/k/ope statistics.
Anonymous No.17972076 >>17972415 >>17972418 >>17972421
>>17972059
yeah, I'm sure the russians would have won with no gas and no boots and no trucks
Anonymous No.17972111 >>17972116
Najority of wehrmacht manpower was in the east, but the majority of wehrmacht guns and material were in the west.

Learn ww2 moron.
Anonymous No.17972116
>>17972111
>Najority
Majority*
Anonymous No.17972213 >>17972282 >>17972293
>picture about the war in Asia
>OP post about the Western Front
Imagine my confusion when I saw this retarded post. Anyways, how much of the Pacific War victory should be accredited to Americans? Trump is correct that America did support the Chinese effort but to say it was "massive" sounds dubious to me.
Anonymous No.17972226 >>17972892
>>17971844
>90% of the German army and 75% of the Axis forces were defeated by the Soviets
Is exactly the fucking reason why America won the WW2. Best way to win wars is to let other people fight them for you.
Anonymous No.17972272
>>17971839 (OP)
Did Trump really post this? Referring to Japan as an “unfriendly foreign invader” is disrespectful given the fact that Japan is a pro-US ally. The US shouldn’t be siding with communist China over Japan.
Anonymous No.17972278 >>17972383 >>17972825
>>17971907
>Vassals in the Pacific ceased to be relevant after the USSR collapsed.
Japan is a key ally in countering Chinese, Russian and North Korean aggression. Furthermore, Japan is a sovereign country, not a “vassal.”
Anonymous No.17972282 >>17972395 >>17972418
>>17972213
The Chinese stalled the Japanese in the mainland, with help from American lend lease and advisement. The Americans pursued a campaign of island hopping in order to be in range to bomb the Japanese homeland, and to choke out the Japanese isles from precious resources. Once all their factories were bombed out and their convoys and ships sunk to the bottom of the sea, Japan lost all ability to wage a war in the mainland. Had Japan not surrendered when they did, the US was planning on invading with somewhere around two million troops to force them to surrender. So yes, the support was massive, the war would not have been won without US involvement.
Anonymous No.17972290 >>17972415 >>17972418
>>17972053
Yeah. Also both Stalin and Khruschev admitted privately that Lend Lease saved the USSR during the war.
Anonymous No.17972293
>>17972213
>how much of the Pacific War victory should be accredited to Americans?
It was America that won the Pacific War.
Anonymous No.17972383 >>17972483
>>17972278
>Japan is a sovereign country, not a “vassal.”

Lmao, their constitution was written by their conquerors, they have no standing army and are under direct US military occupation. The only political parties allowed are american lapdogs, they have no rights to complain or ask US soldiers to leave. They are a vassal.
Anonymous No.17972395 >>17972418
>>17972282
>So yes, the support was massive, the war would not have been won without US involvement.
As in the war would've not been won as quickly if the Chinese had to fight the Japanese by themselves? Or the Japanese simply would've won without US assistance to China? From what I understand the Japanese was struggling to decisively defeat the Chinese and the war was entering a stalemate by the time Pearl Harbor happened.
Anonymous No.17972415 >>17972811 >>17972857
>>17972053
>>17972059
>>17972058
>>17972076
>>17972290

No
lend lease never represented more than 5% of russian supplies

Amerisharts found this shit to cope
Anonymous No.17972418 >>17972816 >>17972857
>>17971957

>>17972076
>>17972395
>>17972282
>>17972290


The majority of the supplies and aid distributed under the U.S. Lend-Lease Act went to the United Kingdom. Of the $50.1 billion in total supplies provided, approximately $31.4 billion was delivered to the UK, making it the largest recipient of aid under the program by a significant margin.

United Kingdom: Received approximately $31.4 billion.

Soviet Union: Received around $11.3 billion

Figures cited vary widely, with some suggesting that Lend-Lease may have supplied around 5% of the total value of Soviet war effort but that this number is misleading due to the critical nature of the items provided.
Anonymous No.17972421 >>17972816 >>17972857
>>17972053
>>17972058
>>17972059
>>17972076

The majority of the supplies and aid distributed under the U.S. Lend-Lease Act went to the United Kingdom. Of the $50.1 billion in total supplies provided, approximately $31.4 billion was delivered to the UK, making it the largest recipient of aid under the program by a significant margin.

United Kingdom: Received approximately $31.4 billion.

Soviet Union: Received around $11.3 billion

Figures cited vary widely, with some suggesting that Lend-Lease may have supplied around 5% of the total value of Soviet war effort but that this number is misleading due to the critical nature of the items provided
Anonymous No.17972483
>>17972383
A vassal would be obligated to join USA in foreign adventures. Japan isn't obligated to do shit.
The only thing is their armament restriction and US military bases that are legitimate through the treaty, but that's not enough to be labeled a vassal. /pol/ meme aren't going to cut it if you're going to seriously debate this.

Also, USA is actually in favor of Japanese rearmament, and have done virtually nothing to stop it every time the Japanese parlament has passed bills on expanding her armed forces. Japan is literally in the process of building aircraft carriers at this point.
Anonymous No.17972811
>>17972415
>lend lease never represented more than 5% of russian supplies
a. source
b. it's weird you are bragging about being a third worlder with no dick
Anonymous No.17972816
>>17972418
>>17972421
>Soviet Union: Received around $11.3 billion
that's a lot
>Figures cited vary widely, with some suggesting that Lend-Lease may have supplied around 5% of the total value of Soviet war effort but that this number is misleading due to the critical nature of the items provided.
source?
Anonymous No.17972825
>>17972278
>Japan is a sovereign country, not a “vassal.”
I can take the time to give you a detailed post on why that is demonstrably untrue, but given where we are I already suspect your counter arguments will come from a place of porn addiction and infantilized perception of Japanese culture limited to cartoons.
Anonymous No.17972857 >>17973461 >>17973961
>>17972415
>>17972418
>>17972421
>>17971901
Retard tier argument. The USSR couldn't produce everything on their own. As was mentioned the majority of their trucks, boots, and tires used were obtained through lend lease, as was about 58% of their high-octane aircraft fuel, most of their copper and aluminum, and most of their explosives. Of course most of their guns, tanks, etc. used were produced domestically hence the figure but they wouldn't have been able to produce that much without Lend-Lease and if you actually break it down by category you'll realize that this "it was only x percent of their supplies" argument is retarded.
Anonymous No.17972869 >>17973419
>Slavoid trying to trivialize 11 billion dollars in free supplies
Cringe. Absolutely cringe. The west also offered the USSR its own Marshall Plan after World War 2 ended but Stalin refused over power politics, and hoped to leverage industry instead, but thanks to the Cold War they were unable to transition to a peacetime economy, most domestic industry was funneled into the Soviet MIC, the Soviet MIC ends up getting filled with power hungry bureaucrats and the country collapses and transitions to an oligarchy in 40 years as a result. Slavoids literally could not run their own country without foreign aid. It's a plain and simple fact.
Anonymous No.17972870 >>17973074
>>17971839 (OP)
OP is a teenager who is just getting into WW2 based off a video game and skimming wikipedia.
Anonymous No.17972877
>>17971839 (OP)
No, it's called World Anti-Fascist War now. Just get it right next time, thanks.
Anonymous No.17972880 >>17973114
>>17971839 (OP)
It was 77% of soldiers fought on the Eastern front you mong. 3.75 million on Eastern, 1.1 million elsewhere.
Also, that’s just soldiers. If you consider the Luftwaffe, only 60% maximum were deployed to the East front at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa, falling to as low as 43%, so half of all German planes were not used on the Eastern front.
And virtually none of the German Navy were involved in the Eastern front, as they were all fighting the Western allied forces in the Battle of the Atlantic and the Mediterranean.
For 3 years 100% of Nazi forces fought the Western allied forces. Only in 1941 did half of the planes and 77% of the army (who couldn’t directly attack the UK anyway due to the channel) get reassigned to the eastern front.
Anonymous No.17972892
>>17972226
Sucks to suck. Maybe stop sucking ass at fighting and antagonizing everyone around you endlessly.
Anonymous No.17973074 >>17973846 >>17974402
>>17972870
>OP is a teenager who is just getting into WW2 based off a video game and skimming wikipedia

Keep seething, amerishart
Your army is useless
Anonymous No.17973114
>>17972880
wait a minute
you mean to tell me the nazis DIDN'T deploy their battleships to kursk or their destoyers to moscow? no wonder they lost hitler was a retard. they should've used their horses to drag the bismarck up into the ukranian steppe, that would've beaten the subhuman judeo-bolsheviks!
Anonymous No.17973419 >>17973846 >>17974408
>>17972869
>Slavoid trying to trivialize 11 billion dollars in free supplies
>USA mongrel trying to trivialize the 10 million dead soviets tying up the wehrmacht
Both sides can play this game.
Anonymous No.17973431
The US did 90% of the job against Japan. The KMT could have surrendered it wouldn't have changed anything.
Anonymous No.17973434
>>17971839 (OP)
>Axis forces were defeated by the Soviets
Anonymous No.17973461
>>17972857
The problem is more that Lend-Lease is mistakenly measured in quantity when it was quality that made the difference.
Scopes, radios and range finders are very small parts of a tank, but it essentially makes every difference in its potential, far more than it's armor or turret in most cases, and this is what Lend-Lease provided

Food is another example
Lend-Lease food was rather insignificant in its quantity compared to Soviet domestic production, but the food provided was protein rich conserved meat that was far more nutritious and portable

Like another anon said, nearly 100% of Soviet source of aluminum came through Lend lease, which means it 100% affected Soviet domestic airplane production

But allied contribution wasn't mainly through Lend-Lease, it was the fact that the allies managed to tie down the majority of German munition.
Again, another mistake people make is that they only look at boots on the ground to determine where the war was decided. They don't look at where German munitions were dedicated, and it's disproportionately used to fight the western allies. Nearly 50% of German entire munition production was single engine aircrafts, of which the overwhelming majority of the luftwaffe was used to defend German airspace.
Likewise, over 15% of German munitions were anti-air guns, again dedicated to fend German airspace. This is in stark contrast to AFV(panzers) production which only constituted 5-10% of German munition. Even the German navy had a larger offset of munition production, and the navy was exclusively used against the allies.
Bombing campaign also disrputed roughly 30% of German production, so in a sense, the allies destroyed more German material on the assembly line than the soviets did on the field

Finally, some allied battles are heavily neglected even though they were almost equal in scope to Soviet battles. The battle for Tunis occurred roughly the same time as Stalingrad and was pretty much equal in term of Wehrmacht losses
Anonymous No.17973488
>>17971839 (OP)
He's clearly referring to the Pacific theater of WW2. So many retards ITT.
Anonymous No.17973529 >>17974409
>>17971839 (OP)
ACHKSHUALLY the USSR didn't need the perfidious Anglo's
>455,000 trucks and jeeps
>19,000 military aircraft
>4,500,000 tons of food
>2,600,000 tons of petroleum products
>17,000 tanks
>11,000 train cars
>2000 locomotives
>58% of Soviet avgas
>15,000,000 pairs of boots
>400,000 field telephones
>1500 radar sets
>28 naval vessels
>4000 tons of welding rod and wire
>4700 welders
Anonymous No.17973846
>>17973074
>>17973419
Lmao you trannies are hilarious.
Anonymous No.17973961
>>17972857
>As was mentioned the majority of their trucks
>most of their explosives.
Thats just plain wrong.
>of their high-octane aircraft fuel,
Soviets used low-octane fuel in their Air Force. High Octane was needed for Lend Lease aircraft.
Anonymous No.17974402
>>17973074
you are losing a war to a jew, you gay retard
Anonymous No.17974408
>>17973419
>trying to trivialize the 10 million dead soviets
10 million dead soviets are worth a combined $3
Anonymous No.17974409
>>17973529
Correct.