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Anonymous No.17972492 >>17972497 >>17972507 >>17972610 >>17972671 >>17972730 >>17973291 >>17973487 >>17973503 >>17973514 >>17973528 >>17974134 >>17974278 >>17974620 >>17974721 >>17976765 >>17976875
New Study Says Greeks are 30% slavic
It Seems Davidski was right all along

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09437-6
Anonymous No.17972497
>>17972492 (OP)
>Greeks aren't European or white
OBVIOUSLY have you seen how they all look like gypsies?
Anonymous No.17972507 >>17973101 >>17973974 >>17976875
>>17972492 (OP)
also total svetovid victory, balkan slavs are a minimum of 50% slavic
Anonymous No.17972531 >>17972534 >>17972545
I feel like I've seen this exact map before. Was there a preprint of this?
Anonymous No.17972534
>>17972531
no, a completely different study that uses similar pie charts
Anonymous No.17972545 >>17972671 >>17973283 >>17973503 >>17973514
>>17972531
You probably remember the viminacium paper (picrel)
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)01135-2
another study showing greeks being a third slavic
Anonymous No.17972591 >>17972609 >>17973072
Davidski isn’t right. Everyone knew Greeks had Slavic ancestry. He claimed something like they had no Mycenaean blood and were just Slavic and Levantine mixes that somehow appeared to have an Ancient Greek influence because they balanced each other out.

Modern Greeks seem like they are a third Slavic a third Mycenaean and a third Anatolian. Ancient Greek DNA is still a large part of their ancestry.
Anonymous No.17972609 >>17972656 >>17973087 >>17975561
>>17972591
bro, even iosif surrendered
Anonymous No.17972610 >>17972611 >>17972615 >>17974328 >>17974788
>>17972492 (OP)
Despite that Gayreeks are more related to Palestinians than they are to swedes or the Irish
Anonymous No.17972611
>>17972610
depends on the greek
Anonymous No.17972615 >>17972627
>>17972610
>swedes
>irish
>doesn't mention slavs
convenient
Anonymous No.17972627 >>17972636 >>17972642
>>17972615
For some reason Bedouins are closer to Gayreeks than Russians.
Anonymous No.17972636
>>17972627
>old ass study that uses 3000 snp
Anonymous No.17972642 >>17972651 >>17972675
>>17972627
>old ass study that uses 3500 snps
Anonymous No.17972651 >>17972672 >>17972698
>>17972642
he's a modern fst chart that uses hundreds of thousands of snps
Anonymous No.17972656 >>17972660
>>17972609
He’s literally agreeing with what I said here can you read?
Anonymous No.17972660 >>17973008 >>17973087 >>17974076
>>17972656
he's not, greks probably have little to no ancient greek ancestry, they're largely slavic+anatolian+some balkan, sometimes the balkan/anatolian is mistaken for mycenean
Anonymous No.17972671
>>17972492 (OP)
>>17972545
the ancient greeks were completely replaced, there are no more myceneans in this world
Anonymous No.17972672 >>17972681 >>17972708 >>17975561
>>17972651
greeks are just slavo-anatolians
Anonymous No.17972675 >>17972686
>>17972642
They took measures to make it robust and consistent. Low number doesn't automatically mean bad.
Anonymous No.17972681 >>17975561
>>17972672
Pretty much, they're equidistant between azeris and ukranians
Anonymous No.17972686 >>17972698
>>17972675
>They took measures to make it robust and consistent.
quit yapping, it's just an fst chart, they took as many measures to make it robust and consistent as any other study that released fst charts, it uses an extremely low amount of snps, 3500 is abysmally low, these days 100000 snps for a sample is considered low, 3500 snps would be borderline unusable in 2025
Anonymous No.17972698 >>17972707
>>17972686
It still produced a good estimation, retard.
The results are almost 1 to 1 with this table >>17972651
Anonymous No.17972707 >>17972717
>>17972698
>It still produced a good estimation
no, it has various inaccuracies because of its extremely low coverage, just use a modern fst chart
Anonymous No.17972708 >>17972712
>>17972672
So are Sicilians and Calabrese but more Latin Anatolians
Anonymous No.17972712
>>17972708
south italians are proper three way mutts of anatolians, italics and germanics, greeks are different because the iron age southern european component has almost completely disappeared and they're largely slav+anatolian with only a little bit of mycenean ancestry
Anonymous No.17972717
>>17972707
They are all minor. Mostly a .001 difference.
Anonymous No.17972730 >>17972753 >>17972760 >>17972772
>>17972492 (OP)
That means slavshit ancestry is female-mediated keeeeek. Slav(e) cumdumpsters were bred by Thraco-Greco-Anatolian BVLLS.
Anonymous No.17972753 >>17972763 >>17972767 >>17972772 >>17972935 >>17973151 >>17973759
>>17972730
Slavix sisters, our response?
Anonymous No.17972760
>>17972730
No? I1, I2, R1a amount to what would you expect.
Anonymous No.17972763 >>17972765
>>17972753
I1, I2, R1a is what you would expect form ~30%.
Anonymous No.17972765
>>17972763
An absorotio of assimilated slavs with no gender bias. This is seen here
Anonymous No.17972767 >>17972776 >>17973298
>>17972753
Those are paleo balkan markers. Not albanian. Slightly less native Y dna compared to autosomal dna.
Anonymous No.17972772 >>17972775 >>17972776 >>17972823 >>17972930 >>17973062 >>17973220 >>17973361 >>17973375 >>17973503 >>17973609
>>17972730
>>17972753
you cherrypicked the study (? is this even a study) with the smallest percentage of I2
normally greeks are 40% r1a+I2
Anonymous No.17972775
>>17972772
He is coping. The slavic Y dna in Greeks is what is to be expected, or even slightly more.
Anonymous No.17972776 >>17972778
>>17972767
greeks have even more slavic ydna than slavic ancestry >>17972772
macedonian greeks are 1/3 slavic but 45% r1a+I2
Anonymous No.17972778
>>17972776
Yep. You right.
Anonymous No.17972823 >>17972843 >>17972930 >>17972937
>>17972772
Sorry slavshit. The study on Albanians already exposed your cuck Slav(e) cumdumpster race.
Anonymous No.17972843 >>17973609
>>17972823
Only I2a-Y3120 is Slavic btw.
Anonymous No.17972930 >>17972932 >>17972956 >>17973087 >>17973237 >>17973280
>>17972823
albania is not greece, look here >>17972772 or pic related
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474
continental the ydna of greece is 30% to 45% slavic
Anonymous No.17972932 >>17972956 >>17973237 >>17975237
>>17972930
the picture from the study
Anonymous No.17972935
>>17972753
>It is not known whether individuals with elevated East European-related ancestry who mixed with Albanians were primarily male, female, or had an even sex ratio. To test for sex bias, we compared ancestry proportions on the X-chromosome with autosomes using qpAdm. The results were inconclusive, likely due to limited X-chromosome markers (4.6k SNPs vs. 1240k SNPs on autosomes) and high standard errors (S1 Text; Table S4).
>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.05.543790v2.full
Anonymous No.17972937 >>17973087
>>17972823
>crimean greeks
wow you are desperate

look at all that I2, I1 and R1a, greeks are simply cucks
Anonymous No.17972956 >>17972976
>>17972930
>>17972932
That says Thessaly is only about 15-20% Slavic y-dna wise though? That's the samples they use for Greeks most of the time. Bulgaria and Romania also seem to have female mediated Slavic ancestry.
Anonymous No.17972976 >>17972987
>>17972956
>That says Thessaly is only about 15-20% Slavic y-dna wise though?
no, it's around 25%, remember that I1 in greece is also slavic, overall greece is more slavic ydna wise than in admixture
>That's the samples they use for Greeks most of the time.
unsubstantiated claim

>Bulgaria and Romania also seem to have female mediated Slavic ancestry.
both have more than 50% slavic ydna, so no
also let's keep the argument confined to greece
Anonymous No.17972987 >>17973025
>>17972976
>no, it's around 25%, remember that I1 in greece is also slavic,
Even with this pathetic cope which is obviously not true (I1 is Germanic) that would still be below the 30% Slavic autosomal stated in the OP. Greeks do not have 30% Slavic y-dna on average.
Anonymous No.17973008
>>17972660
Pretty sure this is not a bad model, I'm not bragging fellas. But this is, you know. I'm a genius, is what it is.
Anonymous No.17973025 >>17973042 >>17973609 >>17975587
>>17972987
I1 is also Slavic, the i1 in Greece is Slavic, Thessaly isn't Thessaloniki, Thessaly greeks aren't numerous overall when all Greeks are pooled the ydna of slavs is proportionally more than the Slavic autosomal ancestry
Anonymous No.17973042 >>17973062 >>17975587
>>17973025
I1 in the Balkans is GOTHIC, Slavshit. Goths were there before the Avars dragged your ass in chains to the region.
Anonymous No.17973060 >>17973976
>A genetic study published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology in 2018 examined 62 individuals buried in the 8th and 9th centuries at an Avar-Slavic burial in Cífer‐Pác, Slovakia.[52] Of the 46 samples of mtDNA extracted, 93% belonged to west Eurasian lineages, while 6% belonged to east Eurasian lineages.[53] The amount of east Eurasian lineages was higher than among modern European populations, but lower than what has been found in other genetic studies on the Avars.[54] The mtDNA of the examined individuals was found to be quite similar to medieval and modern Slavs, and it was suggested that the mixed population examined had emerged through intermarriage between Avar males and Slavic females.
Cuck race
Anonymous No.17973062 >>17973151
>>17973042
No, I'm not Slavic and the i1 in Greece is there because of slavs, it's a Slavic clades of i1, we're not gonna discuss it, cretin, and now the argument >>17972772, Slavic ydna in Greece is more than the Slavic ancestry
Anonymous No.17973072 >>17973110
>>17972591
>He claimed something like they had no Mycenaean blood
He's right.
Anonymous No.17973087
>>17972609
>>17972660
>>17972930
>>17972937
Total 80 IQ latinx mestizo death.
Anonymous No.17973101 >>17973827
>>17972507
>ultranationalist
>is 50% actual espoused nationality
>50% defeated weak cuck nationality

Why are they like this?
Anonymous No.17973110 >>17973131 >>17973609
>>17973072
Comes down to what type of Slavs were moving into Greece. Were they already South Slav like or were they early Slav-like/predated the South Slav homogenization period? If this paper has something to say about this I'll have my guy read it to me.
Anonymous No.17973131 >>17973386 >>17973827
>>17973110
Probably south slav like, considering the increase in balkan e-v13 in Greece
Anonymous No.17973151 >>17973220 >>17973275
>>17973062
There is no Slavic I1, clown. Any I1 in Slavshits came from the Goths. I2b isn't Slavic either. Greeks are only 21% I2a + R1a despite being 30% Slavic autosomally according to what the OP said. Basically confirming the same thing as the Albanian study: >>17972753
Anonymous No.17973220 >>17973237
>>17973151
No they are Slavic clades of i1

You are posting eupedia garbage with half the samples being Greek Islanders
These are literally all the ydna studies about Greece >>17972772 Greeks are on average 35 to 40% i2 and r1a, loser cretin, come back with an actual study or don't even bother reply to me
Anonymous No.17973237 >>17973275 >>17973280 >>17973287 >>17974784 >>17977123
>>17973220
You and your discord tranny friend already self-owned yourselves with this: >>17972930
>>17972932 Thessally is often used as a proxy for the average Greek in studies and they're only about 20% as well. You wuz not kangz, Ivan. Slav(e)s are a cuckold race that was sex trafficked in the Balkans by Avars.
Anonymous No.17973275 >>17973282
>>17973151
>>17973237
You've destroyed the brown 80 IQ mestizo tranny over and over in this thread. Xhe's crying in South America.
Anonymous No.17973280 >>17973300 >>17973323 >>17973346 >>17973438 >>17973503 >>17973514 >>17974798
>>17973237
>You and your discord tranny friend already self-owned yourselves with this: >>17972930
uh?
>Thessally is often used as a proxy for the average Greek in studies
unsubstantiated claim and nonsense to justify your false claims, thessaly is not even close to be one of the most populous regions of greece
let's see the haplogroups in detail from that study

peloponnese (more populous than thessaly) = 17.3% I2 + 11.2% R1a + 1.1% I1 = 29.6%, more than the slavic ancestry (25%)
macedonia (way more populous than thessaly) = 16.3 I2 + 14.9% R1a +6.4% I1 = 37.6%, more than the slavic ancestry (30%)
thrace (as populous as thessaly) = 17.1% I2 + 22.0% R1a + 2.4% I1 = 40.5%, more than the slavic ancestry (35%-40%)
thessaly = 12.5% I2 + 11.1% R1a + 4.2% I1 = 27.8%, more or less as much as the slavic ancestry (25-30%)
Anonymous No.17973282
>>17973275
pathetic obvious self reply
Anonymous No.17973283 >>17973291 >>17973296 >>17973827
>>17972545
GegAlbanians are 25% autosmally slav but less than 12% paternally Slav. We fucked your whores and we need to delete Slav male lineages.
Anonymous No.17973287 >>17973300 >>17973827 >>17974784
>>17973237
The Slavs were slaves of the Turco-Mongols, but the bastards fathered by Avar men leading the Slavs seem to have sided with their European mothers and switched sides to the Byzantines against the pure blooded Avars.

>Each year, the Huns [Avars] came to the Slavs, to spend the winter with them; then they took the wives and daughters of the Slavs and slept with them, and among the other mistreatments [already mentioned] the Slavs were also forced to pay levies to the Huns. But the sons of the Huns, who were [then] raised with the wives and daughters of these Wends could not finally endure this oppression anymore and refused obedience to the Huns and began, as already mentioned, a rebellion.
Anonymous No.17973291 >>17973322
>>17973283
Albanians are 35% Slavic autosomally and Greek_Athens is at the 25% mark it's in the study >>17972492 (OP)
Anonymous No.17973296 >>17973322
>>17973283
thankfully i said greek and not albanian
Anonymous No.17973298 >>17973309 >>17973609
>>17972767
>balkan not Albanian
Same thing. Albanians are the most pure balkanites with the highest percentage of ancient Balkan YDNA from yamnaya and farmers.
Anonymous No.17973300 >>17973318
>>17973287
i'm not slavic so all this anti slavic stuff has no effect on me
but look here >>17973280 it's funny that greeks were cumdumpsters for slavic males
Anonymous No.17973309 >>17973326
>>17973298
albanians are mutts no different from the average continental greek, they're probably 1/3 balkan on a good day
Anonymous No.17973318 >>17973330 >>17973801
>>17973300
I never said you were Slavic you're a brown 80 IQ latinx mestizo. Slavs were/are cumdumpsters for Greek, Arab, Persian, Albanian, Mongol, Tajik, Turkish, Georgian, etc, males.
Anonymous No.17973322 >>17973330 >>17973759
>>17973291
>>17973296
I2a-l621+R1a Slav markers
11.5% Ghegs
17.5% Tosks

Wish it was less. We won though.
Anonymous No.17973323 >>17973329
>>17973280
it's funny because greeks were j2a, i think the only j2b are from the balkan admixed mygadalia site, and like 1/3 to half of the j2 in greece is j2b, likely from the balkans
between j2b and e-v13 it's pretty obvious that most of the non slavic and non west asian ancestry in greece is likely balkan and not mycenean
Anonymous No.17973326
>>17973309
>mutts
We’re more pure Balkan than Swedes are pure Germanic.
Anonymous No.17973329
>>17973323
Yes Albanian (Illyrian + Thracian also called Dardanian)
Anonymous No.17973330 >>17973346 >>17973362
>>17973322
We are talking about greece, do you understand this?

>>17973318
>you're a brown 80 IQ latinx mestizo
projecting much?
>Slavs were/are cumdumpsters for Greek, Arab, Persian, Albanian, Mongol, Tajik, Turkish, Georgian, etc, males.
greeks are cumdumpesters for slavs, in turkey the slavic ydna is more predominant than the slavic ancestry, so they're also cumdumpsters for slavs, the rest have no slavic ancestry outside albanians, so just weird mexican fantasies
Anonymous No.17973346 >>17973361 >>17976760
>>17973280
>let's see the haplogroups
No, I2b and I1 have nothing to do with Slavs.
>peloponnese (more populous than thessaly
Brown mestizo retard. Cyprus and Crete are far more populous than Macedonia and Thrace. Athens, Cyprus, and Crete are completely dominated by E1b1b, J2, and R1b.

>>17973330
>projecting much?
Do you have a new ethnicity, brown retard?
>in turkey the slavic ydna
Nothing. There's like 8% R1a in Turkey and it's the Iranic kind. Turks, Greeks, Kurds, Persians, and Armenians literally had harems of European women, mostly Slavs.
>the rest have no slavic ancestry outside albanians
Slavs are bitching about Arabs, Georgians, and Tajiks fucking Slavic women while Rusgols and Ugaynians slaughter each other.
Anonymous No.17973361
>>17973346
>No, I2b and I1 have nothing to do with Slavs.
I1 in the region is slavic
>Brown mestizo retard. Cyprus and Crete are far more populous than Macedonia and Thrace. Athens,
cyprus isn't greece (don't care about their ethnic identification, not greece) and crete is not more populous than any of those regions, it's at best as populous as thrace with both having around half a million inhabitants
>Cyprus, and Crete are completely dominated by E1b1b, J2, and R1b.
they also have much less slavic ancestry, and cyprus is not greece
for athens that is not true >>17972772 they're around 25% r1a and I
>Do you have a new ethnicity, brown retard?
you are literally brown
>Nothing. There's like 8% R1a in Turkey and it's the Iranic kind. Turks, Greeks, Kurds, Persians, and Armenians literally had harems of European women, mostly Slavs.
turks have little to no slavic ancestry, the others have literally 0 slavic ancestry, outside of greeks of course, that have more slavic ydna than ancestry
>Slavs are bitching about Arabs, Georgians, and Tajiks fucking Slavic women while Rusgols and Ugaynians slaughter each other.
Anonymous No.17973362 >>17973364 >>17973759
>>17973330
We’re talking about Albania NOW
Anonymous No.17973364 >>17973759
>>17973362
not interested in the argument sorry, you'll have to talk about albania alone
Anonymous No.17973371
A lot of the R1a in the Balkans comes from Scythians/Bashkirs/Tatars as well, not Slavs.
Anonymous No.17973375 >>17973384 >>17973511 >>17973610 >>17973801
>>17973357
>I1 in the region is slavic
It's a Germanic haplogroup. Germanics raped your people through history. They are one of the many big sex tourist groups going to your country and having sex with your women along with Arabs and Blacks.
>cyprus isn't greece
Concession accepted.
>crete is not more populous than any of those regions
Crete (600,000) is more populous than Eastern Macedonia and Thrace (500,000) and Peloponnese (500,000), retard.
>for athens that is not true >>17972772 they're around 25% r1a and I1
That number is including I2b like the Aromanians, mestizo retard. Athens is 25% early Slavic autosomally but 15% R1a and 6% I2a. Slavic cumdumpsters were used by Greek men.
>you are literally brown
Don't even bother making another fake ethnicity for yourself. Nothing will ever change you are a dirty little brown South American tranny.
>turks have little to no slavic ancestry
They are 10-20% Slavic autosomally without any Slavic ydna.
>Slavs are bitching about Arabs, Georgians, and Tajiks fucking Slavic women while Rusgols and Ugaynians slaughter each other.
I broke this brown South American tranny. He repeated it twice and made a new post.
Anonymous No.17973384 >>17973396 >>17973751
>>17973375
>It's a Germanic haplogroup. Germanics raped your people through history. They are one of the many big sex tourist groups going to your country and having sex with your women along with Arabs and Blacks.
no, there are various clades of I1, the ones in the southern balkans are slavic, you are simply a stupid dipshit
>Concession accepted.
cyprus isn't greece, don't mention it again
>Crete (600,000) is more populous than Eastern Macedonia and Thrace (500,000) and Peloponnese (500,000), retard.
Eastern Macedonia and Thrace has 560.000 inhabitants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Macedonia_and_Thrace
Peloponnese has 1.150.000 inhabitants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnese
you are literally completely fucking retarded
>That number is including I2b like the Aromanians, mestizo retard. Athens is 25% early Slavic autosomally but 15% R1a and 6% I2a. Slavic cumdumpsters were used by Greek men.
I2b is extremely rare in greece (like 1% on average), almost all the I is I2a, so athens is around 26% r1a and I, retard faggot literally making up numbers
>Don't even bother making another fake ethnicity for yourself. Nothing will ever change you are a dirty little brown South American tranny.
inventing an ethnicity? you are literally a mentally ill brown homosexual
>They are 10-20% Slavic autosomally without any Slavic ydna.
more like 5% slavic
>I broke this brown South American tranny. He repeated it twice and made a new post.
Anonymous No.17973386
>>17973131
I think if that's the case, Mycenaean admixture probably is very low like people have been saying. There's no way it's not there at all but it might be sub-10% in some places. Going to come down to working out the Roman-Byzantine story and how Mycenaean Greeks were around then. That new paper with Corinth colonials kind of made it look like that profile just disappeared by the Roman period. They went all over the place and people from all over the place moved in. Then there were probably plural depopulation events there pre-Slavs.
Anonymous No.17973396 >>17973401 >>17973404 >>17973438 >>17973610 >>17974086 >>17974121
>>17973384
this is the battaglia study, the 92 greeks are from athens

>and consist of 104 Caucasians (38 Balkarians and 66 Georgians), 149 Greeks (92 from Athens and 57 from Macedonia)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2947100/

literally 0% I2b, lmao, 0%, not even 1%
they have 6.5% I2a, I% I2 that is probably I2a but low quality and slavic I1
Anonymous No.17973401 >>17973420 >>17974007
>>17973396
northeast italians are 20% R1a+I2a, are they also rapebabies of slavs?
Anonymous No.17973404 >>17973406 >>17973420
>>17973396
>slavic I1
Just because you keep repeating this doesn't make it true, tranny. It's from the Goths.
Anonymous No.17973406
>>17973404
Could be Goths into Slavs and then Slavs into Greece.
Anonymous No.17973420 >>17973430
>>17973404
greeks were raped by slavs
>>17973401
yes, northeast italians were also raped by slavs
Anonymous No.17973430 >>17973438
>>17973420
Look, stick to the study you originally posted, okay? It has a decent amount of samples comparable to the garbage wikipedia page you keep spamming. Slavs are cucks in every region here in relation to autosomal and they are cucks in other countries like Bulgaria, Romania and Albania as well.
Anonymous No.17973438 >>17973457
>>17973430
the wikipedia page includes sourced studies such as this or this >>17973396
>Slavs are cucks in every region here in relation to autosomal
literally the opposite is true as explained here >>17973280 (chart from the same study)
>Bulgaria, Romania
slavic ydna is higher than autosomal ancestry
Anonymous No.17973457 >>17973473 >>17973801
>>17973438
Latinx cholita sisters I don't feel so good...
Anonymous No.17973473 >>17973486
>>17973457
stop posting random garbage, post studies, according to karachanak et al they're almost at 50% slavic ydna just like their ancestry
Anonymous No.17973486 >>17973503 >>17973503 >>17973751
>>17973473
>Greeks
30-37% Slavshit-like ancestry, 20% Slavic y-dna.
>Bulgarians
55-59% Slavshit-like ancestry, 38% Slavic y-dna (assuming ALL R1a/I2a is Slavic which is unlikely)
Anonymous No.17973487
>>17972492 (OP)
>Davidski was right all along
Rare W for him.

He was pro-vaxx and believed in COVID. Even though his actual polish brethren in Poland laughed at covmeme. It must be new world that changes people into sheeple.
Anonymous No.17973503 >>17973507
>>17973486
>30-37% Slavshit-like ancestry, 20% Slavic y-dna.
this is completely false >>17973280 30% slavic ancestry and 35% slavic ydna, greeks have been cucked, this is undeniable, literally no region in continental greece is lower than 25% slavic in ydna
>>17973486
>55-59% Slavshit-like ancestry, 38% Slavic y-dna (assuming ALL R1a/I2a is Slavic which is unlikely)
what is that shit you're posting, look at the OP image >>17972492 (OP) or the viminacium paper >>17972545 , they're around 50% slavic, and look here >>17972772 they're around 50% slavic in ydna too

what even is the point of this conversation if you're just going to throw around random numbers
why the fuck are you talking about bulgarians in the first place, literally unable to not just from to a different argument every 2 posts
Anonymous No.17973507 >>17973514 >>17973751
>>17973503
Thessaly 30-37% Slavshit while being 23% R1a + I2a. You lost tranny. And Bulgarians aren't 50% in any study.
Anonymous No.17973511
>>17973375
>It's a Germanic haplogroup. Germanics raped your people through history. They are one of the many big sex tourist groups going to your country and having sex with your women along with Arabs and Blacks.
You are an incel.
Anonymous No.17973514 >>17973518
>>17973507
>Thessaly 30-37% Slavshit while being 23% R1a + I2a
not true, you literal brainlet, if macedonia is 30-35% >>17972545 >>17972492 (OP) according to studies, thessaly will be lower, at 30%, or maybe even a bit less and thessaly is almost 30% slavic in ydna >>17973280
and thessaly is fucking irrelevant, all of greece overall is more slavic in ydna
>but thessaly is used as the average
not true, false claim you pulled out of your ass and that wouldn't change the fact that when you include all regions of greece, the slavic ydna surpasses numerically the autosomal slavic ancestry

>And Bulgarians aren't 50% in any study
they're almost 50% in all actual studies, they're 45-50% in the karachanak studies and 50% in the begona martinez-cruz, and that's the last time i'm even gonna address the bulgarians
Anonymous No.17973518 >>17973525
>>17973514
Mentally ill Latinx tranny. Stop spamming garbage and kys.
Anonymous No.17973525 >>17973542
>>17973518
you are literally projecting your browness on anonymous posters, you are also throwing around completely random numbers, this conversation is pointless
Anonymous No.17973528
>>17972492 (OP)
they should consider themselves lucky, the greeks learned heterosexuality from the slavs
Anonymous No.17973542 >>17973551 >>17973560 >>17973570 >>17973607 >>17973751
>>17973525
Slavs will always be a cuckold race and you will always be a mentally ill tranny.
Anonymous No.17973551 >>17973568
>>17973542
You base this on what? Your incel brown fantasies?
Anonymous No.17973560
>>17973542
i bet you're a cuck
Anonymous No.17973568 >>17973595 >>17973742
>>17973551
Russian and Ukrainian women are fucking churkas and foreginers in other countries right now while you exterminate yourselves like good servile cucks,
Anonymous No.17973570
>>17973542
i'm done with this pointless conversation, you're just inventing numbers anyway, swarthy man
Anonymous No.17973595
>>17973568
Western women are fucking blacks, arab foreginers in their own countries right now while you castrate yourselves like good servile cucks,
Anonymous No.17973607
>>17973542
Genuinely wondering what kind of a mental illness drives people to be this aggressive and venomous. I mean, I get it, /his/ has safe edgy twitter mutts with pathetic lives that has nothing outside of discord circlejers, because analbanian and gayreek cunny gets gaped by turks and turned into kebab same as germroach and slavshit cunny. I guess people need a way to cope and cope they will right to the point where there will be nothing left of them.

Feels good to be an Indian Brahmin. The age of saar is upon us.
Anonymous No.17973609 >>17974188
>>17973025
Any proof of it? Gothic/Varangian/other Germanic sounds more plausible
>Thessaly Greeks aren't that numerous
Thessaly has a population of around 700000, with the vast majority being native Thessalians (unlike, say, Athens or Thessaloniki, where most inhabitants have ancestry from elsewhere)
>>17972772
These seem fairly inconsistent, with neighbouring regions getting very different results. It also doesn't break down haplogroups into subclades, which makes any estimation approximate at best
>>17972843
Same for this, sample size way too small, at least it distinguishes Slavic and non-Slavic clades of I2a
>>17973110
Given how rapid the expansion was, the fact that Slavs initially formed their own settlements (Sclaviniae) and Medieval Slavic samples from other Balkan countries having more proto-Slavic admixture than modern inhabitants of the same areas, I would say early Slav-like
>>17973298
Anachronism, Albanian identity is quite recent, you can't just apply it on people who lived thousands of years ago. Most of the native Balkan admixture in South Slavs was mediated by Vlachs/Balkan Romans
Anonymous No.17973610 >>17973751
>>17973375
Cyprus is not part of Greece, this is simply a fact. Peloponnesians are the most populous subgroup of Greeks,given that the geographic (not administrative) region of Peloponnese is home to roughly 1 million, mostly native, plus huge numbers in Athens (to a lesser extent this is also tru of Cycladians, Ionian Islanders and Central Greeks; the reverse is true of Macedonians, who barely make up 50% in their own region)
>>17973396
According to this, Slavic y-DNA is 23% in Athens and 28% in Thessaloniki, although I don't know how representative the samples are, given the mixed population of both cities
Anonymous No.17973742
>>17973568
You're arguing with a brown latinx tranny in Argentina (not one of the white Italian ones, it's brown mestiza), not a Slav. Slavs, Finngols, and Iberians have been humiliated on /his/ constantly. You don't need to insult them further.
Anonymous No.17973747 >>17973798
Short rebuttal to most of these comments here:

1. The predominant clades of J2b and E1b among the Slavs are absent among the Albanians, who have their own, Albanian-specific clade of E1b that underwent a demographic boom during the Late Middle Ages and the Ottoman Occupation period.

2. The overall point would make sense only if South Slavs didn't have Slavic I2a and R1a as their primary Y-DNA, barring E1b. All the other non-Slavic lineages are micro-lineages of Slavicized Romans who submitted to the Slavs and became Slavic.

3. In contrast, among Greeks and Romanians, Slavic I2a and R1a form major and primary lineages. Bosch et al., Anagnostou et al., Heraclides et al., and Giacomo et al. have all demonstrated that Slavic Y-DNA consistently exceeds Slavic autosomes in mainland Greece. According to Heraclides et al., the most direct study on this matter, 20-42% of modern Greek Y-DNA is of Slavic origin. The only way for the "only 20% Slavic Y-DNA in Greece" argument to make sense is to pool the results of mainland, Aegean, and Cretan Greeks and hope nobody is smart enough to address that.

>Inbefore assuming ALL R1a/I2a is Slavic
It is, check Romanian, Bulgarian, and Greek FTDNA, they're all downstream of the Proto-Slavic I2a1b-Din (renamed into I2a-Slav in November of 2024)

4. Heraclides' study refers to the entire Greekophone territory, and even in his study, the Peloponnesians are 35% Slavic Y-DNA-wise, only 7% lower than Northern Greece. The only study where Thessaloniki scores sub-30% is Battaglia. It's much higher in the abovementioned studies, nearing 50%.

>Bulgarians
Bulgarians are nearing 50% in the Begona-Cruz study, which sequenced only ethnic Bulgarians; Romanians are 45-50%, depending on the study and the population sequenced (and the Romanian FTDNA).
Anonymous No.17973751 >>17973967 >>17974087
>>17973610
>>17973542
>>17973507
>>17973486
20-42% Slavic Y-DNA all over mainland Greece.

>>17973384
Northern Greece, overall, is 42% Slavic Y-DNA, and the Peloponnese is 35% Slavic Y-DNA-wise. Both regions are the most Slavic-scoring in terms of Y-DNA.
Anonymous No.17973753 >>17973761
Only thessalians are 30% slavic.
Rest is much less and has female mediated slavic ancestry at that.
Anonymous No.17973759 >>17973763 >>17974184
>>17973362
>>17973364
>>17973322
>>17972753
Their response is very simple: the traditionally most populous regions of Albania are 20-37% Slavic Y-DNA-wise, but also lower in Slavic autosomes. The opposite of that is Northern Albania, where approximately 5 people live, most Albanian posters are diaspora from the North whose ancestors had to migrate from Albania because it's a shithole, and their population exploded in numbers during the Ottoman Occupation in Kosovo and Macedonia, thus the false-flag impression in this image, marriage to Serb women during the Ottoman period was seen as a prestige because it proved that the Albanian was well-off enough to marry into a better-standing ethnicity, there's a reason why Albanians from Prizren and Pristina are more than 30% Slavic, and why they're better off and higher IQ than those from smaller towns and villages.
Anonymous No.17973761 >>17973782 >>17974193
>>17973753
The opposite is true. Slavic Y-DNA forms a major lineage in nearly all regions of Greece, with Thessaloniki being the only region where both Slavic Y-DNA form the primary lineages, but the author of the map chose to put E1b instead of I2a because it had a small 0.2% advantage over I2a.
Anonymous No.17973763 >>17973977
>>17973759
The data is from the Albanian DNA project.
Anonymous No.17973782 >>17973805 >>17974460
>>17973761
The Author of this map used all Greek FTDNA results and the results from all studies till 2016 to make this map. I1 wasn't sequenced, and the entirety of the I2 is I2a1b-Din/Slav, and the entirety of the R1a is M458, meaning that Z280 is missing, which would've increased the R1a percentage by 2-3%.

I'm sorry, but the idea that the Slavs, who've conquered the largest landmass in the world and exterminated a huge number of non-Slavs along the way, provided maternally mediated admixture in the people they've conquered, is pretty much a wet dream of the defeated. Sure, there are regions where Slavic Y-DNA is slightly lower than the autosomes, but 20-25% Slavic Y-DNA is still a lot, considering there was 0% of it before the 6th and 7th centuries. At this point, you're just applying damage control; you sound like Niggers in the USA going on about "massa's" daughter, even though Massa's been taking turns with your mothers and grandmothers, for generations, whenever he wished.
Anonymous No.17973798 >>17973811 >>17973868 >>17974029 >>17974940 >>17976760
>>17973747
>The only way for the "only 20% Slavic Y-DNA in Greece" argument to make sense is to pool the results of mainland, Aegean, and Cretan Greeks and hope nobody is smart enough to address that.
Athens, half population in the region, only had 20% Y-DNA of Slavic origin. Athens has higher 25% Slavic autosomal admixture. You were dumb enough to not notice that and hope others wouldn't be smart enough to notice.

>It is, check Romanian, Bulgarian, and Greek FTDNA, they're all downstream of the Proto-Slavic I2a1b-Din (renamed into I2a-Slav in November of 2024)
You check it, retard. They have some clades of I-P37 and those may be basal. R1a in particular there are plenty of basal, but also Iranic R1a subclades. So it can be safely said that not all of the I2a or R1a is Slavic in origin. Of course none of the I2b or I1 is Slavic in origin.
Anonymous No.17973801
>>17973457
>posts a random image of percentages instead of a proper graph from a study
Refuted by Begona-Cruz et al. 2012, enjoy reading.

>>17973375
>They are 10-20% Slavic autosomally without any Slavic
No, we're not. We have Balkan Turk DNA, they're 46% Slavic, and only 13% Turkic/East Asian N1c1. Their population migrated away from the Balkans in large, consecutive waves to Turkish Thrace and Western Anatolia, where it comprises 20-30% of the total Y-DNA. It's just that the Turkish DNA project doesn't sequence them because they're not ethnic Turks, obviously.

>>17973318
Slavs have conquered and colonized all those people, barring Persians (unless you consider the leftover Sarmatians in Ukraine as Persians, then even them).
Anonymous No.17973805 >>17973868
>>17973782
In albanians it's already been shown by the latest study that the slavs could manage to have female mediated admixture during an invasion, so common sense doesn't apply.
These maps are all pretty shit and are a mix of low sample size studies + high sample size studies while those R1a and I lineages are reduced to like 10-15% in the most slavic regions.
Not all studies have the same weight.
Anonymous No.17973811 >>17973868 >>17974940
>>17973798
Yeah like most greeks live in athens, the greater area has like 4 mln people out of 10 mln + all the island greeks that have basically zero slavic y-dna.
Slavic are a cuck race lol
Also they got in some way huge amounts of uralic y-dna.
Anonymous No.17973827 >>17974180 >>17974771
>>17973283
There are approximately 5 Ghegs in Albania, all of them reside outside of Northern Albania because it's barren and they don't have the intelligence for civilization-building and scarcity-management.

>>17973131
No, the Marmara Slav, who was I2a1b-Din, was a military colonist from today's region of Thessaloniki; he also had a Slavic mtDNA, he didn't have a South Slavic, but an Early Slavic profile.

>>17973101
50% homogeneous Early Slavic DNA (at a minimum) plus heterogeneous, varied non-Slavic admixture, which cannot be categorized as a uniform admixture, you wouldn't apply the same argument towards Germans and Austrians, who're sub-50% in Germanic admixture, or the Swedes, who're barely above 50% in Germanic admixture.

>>17973287
As a Greek (who LARP as Eastern Romans), you should be aware of the fact that the Roman sources proved that the Slavs who conquered the peninsula weren't under Avar overrule. This is confirmed in proper studies and history books written by authorities on the matter, like Bacic and Obolensky. Fredegar also spoke of the Pannonian Slavs (who were Wends) as being the Slavs who were under Avar overrule, while the Slavs who conquered Greece and the peninsula are Sclavenes, Antes, and Croats and Serbs (these arrived and skull-smashed the Avars, the Croats even made them slaves in the DAI). The Slavs started attacking ERE in the 510s, while the Avars (originally Roman federates against the Slavs) turned against Rome in the 570s.
Anonymous No.17973848
>Instead, we find the only significant (P<0.05) correlation between ancestry and material culture among the burial constructions, where we show that individuals buried in pits feature on average higher Northern European ancestry (Supplementary Fig. 60c).

Is this true?
Anonymous No.17973868 >>17973872 >>17974082
>>17973798
That's because Athens is a massive melting pot of Greeks from all regions + hundreds of thousands of Albanians who identify as Greeks, and an equal number of Pontian Greeks with quite literally zero Slavic Y-DNA, dragging the percentage down.

>only had 20% Y-DNA of Slavic origin
You say that as if it's 20%, a fifth of Greece's biggest city's population, is a small number; it's still a large number, especially because Greece has exiled around more than 500K Slavs from Greece in the aftermath of the Balkan Wars, the Greek-Turkish War, and WW2.

>You check it
I did, they're exclusively Slavic, only islanders and Constantinople Greeks got the non-Slavic I2a mutation.

>Of I-P37
It is* a Slavic marker, because, surprise, surprise, the entirety of I-P37 is found in Slavic countries, and countries heavily affected by the expansion of Slavic Y-DNA, like Greece, Romania, Moldova, and Hungary.

>basal
No such thing today.

>but also Iranic R1a subclades
The only people with Z93 in Greece (Greek Thrace, specifically) are Greek Turks.

>So it can be safely said
It cannot.

>>17973811
If Slavs were a "cuck race", then 20-42% of Greeks wouldn't have Slavic Y-DNA in the mainland, and 45-50% of Romanians wouldn't have Slavic Y-DNA.

>Huge amounts of Uralic Y-DNA
Only Northeastern Russians have above-15% N1c1.

>>17973805
>Not all studies have the same weight.
The vast majority of studies done in the Greeks confirmed a dominance of Y-DNA compared to autDNA, just because they prove that the Slavic Y-DNA admixture is large doesn't make them shit.

>Are reduced to like 10-15% in the most Slavic regions
Most Slavic regions have at least one Slavic Y-DNA as a primary lineage, which disproves that argument.
Anonymous No.17973872 >>17973892 >>17973923
>>17973868
Sorry but if Athens is a massive melting pot of greeks (true) and they have female mediated slavic dna... Doesn't that mean that Greeks have slavic female mediated dna on average? Like do you realize what you are arguing for you idiot? You are using low population undersampled regions vs the biggest metropolitan area of greece with more than 50% the population of balkan greece. Give it a rest.
Albanians and greeks have female mediated slavic dna.
Anonymous No.17973892 >>17973908 >>17973923 >>17974940
>>17973872
If they had "female-mediated Slavic DNA", then there'd be no 20% of Slavic Y-DNA there; the majority of Greek immigrants in Athens are from traditionally low-Slavic-scoring regions like the Aegeans, Crete, the Pontus, the Mani peninsula, and Tsakonia, they're the reason why Athens' results are the exception to the abovementioned rule.

> have Slavic female-mediated DNA on average
No, it doesn't, because we have DNA studies, and the Greek FTDNA project proving the opposite, 20-42% of Slavic Y-DNA all over the mainland, and Y-DNA exceeding the autosomes in all regions but the city of Athens - mutt HQ, mind you, is a nation-wide result.

>Do you realize what you are arguing for
For factual results presented in the near entirety of Y-DNA studies done on the Greeks (barring one), and the Greek FTDNA.

>Albanians and Greeks
Albanians are like that only in the sparsely inhabited North and in Kosovo, the former being the progenitor territory of the latter, which underwent a population explosion during Ottoman occupation. Greeks, on the other hand, are like that only in Athens, and barely, and for the abovementioned, modern reasons, not historical.

You're here, coping and seething just because you hate the fact that Slavs conquered half of the ERE, and did a massive number on the Greeks and other Romans who were their targets. Word of advice, nobody cares about Fallmerayer outside Greece; it's a self-imposed complex of inferiority.
Anonymous No.17973908 >>17973919
>>17973892
Again, retarded amalgamations of studies with low sample size and low population vs the largest metropolitan area with 50+% percentage of balkan greeks in greece having on average female mediated slavic dna.
Add the island that have basically no slavic y-dna or autosomal and you have a greece that has great continuity since mycenaean times.
Cope and SEETHE.
Anonymous No.17973919 >>17973924
>>17973908
Claiming that something is "retarded" because it caregotically "shits" on your argument, an argument which is refuted by the near-entirety of all available data on the matter, mind you, is the definition of being wrong and knowing it (but not admitting, because you're not man enough), and desperation.

>Largest metropolitan area with 50+% percentage
Sequenced in the same manner (low sample size) as the cities and towns that you're dismissing because of the methodology applied in the studies (even though such a methodology is mainstream in population genetic studies)

>Add the
The Aegeans and Crete, on their own, form a negligible part of Greece's population, and even when combined, they're still negligible. You're grasping at straws, pretty badly, if I may add.

>having on average female-mediated Slavic DNA
They don't, Atheniggas are 20% Slavic Y-DNA-wise. Your argument would make sense if the results were twice as big as the autosomes, instead of a pitiful 5%.

>Cope and SEETHE.
Read your comments, you're the one coping and seething like a scorned woman. How does it feel to lose an argument to a Turk, swimming lesson 2.0??
Anonymous No.17973923
>>17973892
Pardon me, I checked the data again, it's not 20% in Athens, but 22%, making the situation slightly worse for your argument.>>17973872
Anonymous No.17973924 >>17973935
>>17973919
It's retarded because these small regions are not representative. They are secluded communities of inbred people.
In Italy that is more densely populated with a lot of small cities with 200-300k citizens all over the peninsula it's very obvious for example that germanic ancestry is female mediated outside of western sicily.
In Greece, all the aggregates of y-dna that are weighted for population by region show female mediated admixture, because Athens is where most greeks live and they have female mediated admixture.
Capiche?
Anonymous No.17973935 >>17973940
>>17973924
No, they're "retarded" because they refute your "argument"; you're just lying to yourself about the reason why. Besides, Northern Greece and the Peloponnese, both demographically large, are 42% and 35% Slavic in Y-DNA-wise, but lower in Slavic autosomes, the opposite of small and inbred.

>Capiche
Do you understand how laughable your argument is? 22% Slavic Y-DNA, on 25% Slavic autosomes, tells us only that the modern demographic trends towards Athens were shifted towards groups that had notably lower Slavic admixture than the Athenian average, which automatically refutes your point.

> Those that are weighted for population by region show female-mediated admixture
They proved the opposite, which is why you're desperately focusing on Athens, even though technically, Athens isn't the exception either, since 22% Slavic Y-DNA compared to 25% Slavic autosomes is an unimportant shift in ratios (but very important to Greeks pretending to be continuous with Bronze Age Greeks, and DEFINITELY not the Slav's quarry).
Anonymous No.17973940 >>17973946 >>17973950
>>17973935
Your arguments make no sense, you keep citing this stupid map as if it is a peer reviewed study. A random nigger took its time to make that map cherrypicking shit.
This is not scientific consensus which instead SHOWS albanians, greeks and probably bulgarians having female mediated slavic dna.
You can keep coping how you want here with your homemade infographs but science doesn't agree.
Anonymous No.17973946
>>17973940
>scientific consensus SHOWS albanians, greeks and probably bulgarians having female mediated slavic dna.
May we see it?
Anonymous No.17973950 >>17973955
>>17973940
I'm not merely citing the map (which, unlike your argument, is based on proper studies and the Greek FTDNA), I'm literally citing the abovementioned studies, too (Heraclides, Bosch, Giacomo, and Anagnostou et al.) Feigning ignorance on the matter, even though I specified my sources above, is retarded and shameless, so no, none of what I've used are "homemade graphs (based strictly on studies and the Greek FTDNA)", but genetic facts.

>scientific consensus, which instead SHOWS
The scientific consensus shows that it's paternally mediated, you're just lying to yourself because you can't stand the fact that Slavs, instead of fucking Greek men, as God ordained, fucked Greek women to create this situation.

>But science doesn't agree
"Science"? Don't use the term "science" when you don't even know the actual name of the "science" in question that addresses these matters.

From one shitskin to another, you're just lying to yourself because your national pride relies on brainwashing and delusions of grandeur.
Anonymous No.17973955 >>17973967
>>17973950
These studies do not say what you think they do, as usual.
The life of people like you is citing random shit that you don't understand, then getting disproven years later by more comprehensive studies and going "ummm sotadic zone? We have higher gdp per capita bro".
This is the entirety of genetic discussion on the internet.
Anonymous No.17973967 >>17973970
>>17973955
>Final deed of the vanquished shitskin is to gaslight the winner
Even in 2016, before the discovery of the vast majority of I2a1b-Din and R1a's archaeogenetic findings (and Din's TRMCA)>>17973751, the vast majority of geneticists were aware of the fact that I2a and R1a are Eastern European, Slavic uniparentals. Giacomo et al. is from 2003, Bosch et al. is from 2006, Anagnostou et al. is from 2011, and Heraclides et al. is from 2016, all got identical results, and the idea that newer studies are gonna get "disproved" is LAUGHABLE, considering the confirmed progression, we're just gonna get more confirmation of the Slavic Y-DNA in Greece.
Anonymous No.17973970 >>17973977
>>17973967
Wanna bet?
It's gonna end up like albania with proper sample sizes. You know this.
Just like southern italy was "half levantine mother half roman father" turns out it's the opposite if anything.
Anonymous No.17973974 >>17974033
>>17972507
80% slavic ancestry in croatia and bosnia, around 65% in serbia, 50% in bulgaria
Anonymous No.17973976 >>17977129
>>17973060
You're brown
Anonymous No.17973977 >>17973985
>>17973970
>Wanna bet
Categorically so.

>Like Albania with proper sample sizes
Did you check the image I posted for Albania, data from the Albanian DNA project, no less >>17973763? Their results are extremely regionalized and heterogeneous, and when accurately modeled, Albanians will not score above 25% in Slavic admixture on average.
Anonymous No.17973985 >>17973998
>>17973977
We'll see each other in about 1 year when you will be spamming "umm sotadic zone unwholesome 100 hundred I am right?".
Unfortunately you are an anon, but in your heart you will know I was right.
Regardless of your handmade "heterogenous" sample sizes of the dumbfuck tribe of three inbred people vs largest metropolitan areas, all not weighted for population size. The latest study on albania has written, black on white that they have continuity with roman era balkans, especially more paternally.
Anonymous No.17973998 >>17974002
>>17973985
Facts aren't "handmade sample sizes", and Rrenjet is the biggest repository of Albanian DNA in the world; they know better than mainstream studies when it comes to Albanian uniparentals.

>largest metropolitan areas
Thessaloniki, the second-largest city in Greece, is 42.5% Slavic Y-DNA-wise (nearly 10% more than in autosomes).

>That they have continuity
Having "a continuity" isn't the same as having full continuity; that full continuity was undone by a double-digit Slavic uniparental and autosomal admixture.

>About one year
And what will happen in about a year?
Anonymous No.17974002 >>17974019
>>17973998
Some more comprehensive study will come out and you will cope for a while about it on /his/ with dubious non peer reviewed data and trying to conflate different clades as not being really from the balkans as you people always do, then you will accept the truth and going back to sotadic zone posting.
Anonymous No.17974007 >>17974031
>>17973401
NE Italians have less than 10% R1a+I2.
Anonymous No.17974019 >>17974024
>>17974002
All the information I posted is from peer-reviewed studies; again, they were cited by the lead author's name and year of publishing.

>Some more comprehensive study will come out
Hope dies last, home(o)boy.
Anonymous No.17974024 >>17974036
>>17974019
For albania it is exactly what happened lol, so no hope, more like certainty.
You are coping by saying that a random study was "dish0nest" by using northern albanian samples while you use aggregates you found in forums made by anons.
I know which is more likely to be honest, i.e the people that are getting paid to study this shit and not schizo anons on 4chan.
Anonymous No.17974029 >>17974940
>>17973798
Athens has 25% Slavic ydna according to the study, 16.3% r1a and 6.5% i2a

99% of the r1a and i2a clades in the Balkan region are Slavic
Anonymous No.17974031
>>17974007
Look at the study 9 something percent r1a and i2a
Anonymous No.17974033
>>17973974
He was right, he won
Anonymous No.17974036 >>17974048
>>17974024
>It is exactly what happened
Only in Northern Albania, as Rrenjet's data proves.

>By using northern Albanian samples while
I didn't even know they only used them, which makes their case even weaker since they're a mere fraction of the Albanian population.

>While you use aggregates
I used studies and graphs made by DNA forum contributors who used all Y-DNA studies about the Greeks, and FTDNA results till 2016 to make the said graph. It's not made-up, it's based strictly on factual information.

>I know
You went from outright lying the whole thread to hoping for a one-of-a-kind reversal of the well-established facts. Calling me schizophrenic, while you're spouting head canon about an EXACT science, because the results are too much for your deranged mind to bear, is ironic.
Anonymous No.17974048 >>17974072 >>17974082 >>17974083 >>17974086 >>17974087
>>17974036
They didn't use them, that's your cope.
Your results aren't exact, you are citing studies that you probably haven't even read because some other guy cited them in a map you downloaded.
How I know it? R1a and I are not divided in clades.
I especially is literally an european hunter gatherer haplogroup, literally every single population with any sort of european hunter gatherer ancestry could've had them.
Yet you keep saying it 99% slavic with no citation. Because you are lying, you want to win the convo, but there is literally no point, because peer reviewed study will come out, take in account the exact facts I presented and say "hmm, yes there is disproportionate paternal continuinity than autosomal in the balkans".
Anonymous No.17974072 >>17974084 >>17974086
>>17974048
Anonymous No.17974076 >>17974091
>>17972660
>anatolian+some balkan
So ancient Greek.
Anonymous No.17974082
>>17974048
>Yet you keep saying it is 99% Slavic with no citation
Greek FTDNA results confirmed it, as posted above.>>17973868

>Yes, there is disproportionate paternal continuity than autosomal in the Balkans
You didn't post facts, you posted cope and seethe because you cannot refute the fact that 99% of all I2a in Southeastern Europe and mainland Greece is downstream of the Proto-Slavic Y3120.

>How I know it?
In the studies, the clades in question are I2a1b-Din and R1a-M458, but it's true that Z280 is missing, though, which will only increase the Slavic admixture.

> probably haven't even read
This comes from the same person who posted random numbers, thinking they're a rebuttal to my factual percentages.
Anonymous No.17974083
>>17974048
>They didn't use them, that's your cope.
They did, the person who made the combined graph and map, Passa, said so himself.
Anonymous No.17974084 >>17974105
>>17974072
Do you think this makes your point?
Both R1a and I are of unspecified clades.
Even admitting all the R1a is slavic, there is literally more I-M170 in SARDINIA than in eastern euros.
Early slavs were much more R1a than I.
Unless you think a special groups of slavic with little R1a and all migrated to the balkans and left their ancestral homeland, you are delusional.
You shitted the thread for 150 replies for this shit? Crazy.
You were so sure too.
The total slavic y-dna is probably better explained by R1a + 3/4% of I which is only a y-dna clade for slavs, meaning around 10-15%.
slavic ancestry is mostly female mediated.
Anonymous No.17974086
>>17974048
i think he's right, here >>17973396 all the i2a is i2a1b (not specifically stated but if it doesn't full under i2a1a it's likely i2a1b)

>>17974072
ahahahah, continental greeks are almost as j2b as they are j2a, in nioannina, agrinon, kardhista and thessaloniki j2b is more common than j2a, almost all the non slavic haplogroups in greece are balkan, greeks are the descendants of south slavs
Anonymous No.17974087
>>17974048
The map has already been posted, but it's from the same, exact study as this image >>17973751, Heraclides et al. 2016.

Slavs >> Greeks, sorry.
Anonymous No.17974091 >>17974100
>>17974076
no, not greek at all
Anonymous No.17974097 >>17974102
Anonymous No.17974100
>>17974091
Cope.
Anonymous No.17974102 >>17974106 >>17974111
>>17974097
greeks being between a balkan anatolian IA continuum doesn't mean that if you mix a balkan and anatolian you get a greek, you get something similar to an ancient greek, but as the different haplogroups show it's only superficial similarity
Anonymous No.17974105 >>17974108 >>17974112
>>17974084
>Unspecified clades
It's specified in the Greek FTDNA image, which you keep ignoring because it disproves your "argument", and in Heraclides et al., the authors outright state that the I2a among mainland Greeks is of Eastern European/Slavic origin.

>Early Slavs were much more R1a than I
Not according to the majority of archaeogenetic findings, which are mostly I2a1b-Din.

>There is literally more I-M170 in SARDINIA
Not the same mutation and clade, the one among Slavs, Albanians, Greeks, Romanians, Hungarians, the Gagauz, and the Moldovans is the Proto-Slavic Y3120.

>You shitted the thread
The ones "shitting" up the thread are shitskins who can't accept the fact they were defeated and raped by the Slavs.

>You were so sure
Because I'm posting facts.

> is probably better explained
Damage control at the sight of irrefutable Slavic Y-DNA primacy, instead of admitting facts and moving on, is very pathetic behavior.

>Slavic ancestry is mostly female-mediated.
The near-entirety of DNA studies conducted on the Greeks proved the OPPOSITE.

>Special group of Slavs
I2a1b-Din's TMRCA is set in Belarus during the Proto-Slavic Zarubintsy period; all the archaeogenetic findings are early and Medieval Slavs, and the highest diversity of clades is found in the Proto-Slavic triangle of Belarus, Poland, and Ukraine, and is wholly absent among ancient non-Slavic sites.
Anonymous No.17974106 >>17974118
>>17974102
Mycenaeans were literally majority J2 lmao
Anonymous No.17974108 >>17974121 >>17974128
>>17974105
Show me ONE sample size with at least 20 early slavs that is SO LOW in percentage in R1a compared to I2. I'm waiting. It doesn't exist.
Anonymous No.17974111 >>17974121
>>17974102
Irrelevant, 40-70% Greek genetics date back to ancient Greek societies. Only Slavic and Albanian admixtures are foreign.
Anonymous No.17974112 >>17974116 >>17974125
>>17974105
This is only R1a. Where is I?
R1a as your own image shows is literally less than 10%.
Fucking slavic cuck shitted up the thread FOR 200 replies.
Anonymous No.17974116
>>17974112
Bro why are you so obsessed with cuckoldry, are you gay?
Anonymous No.17974118
>>17974106
j2a, not j2b, modern greeks are like 20% J2 with almost half of this being j2b, and the j2a in modern greece is likely at least partially from later anatolian migrations, actual mycenean j2a in greece could be below 10%
Anonymous No.17974121 >>17974126
>>17974111
you're forgetting the balkan and anatolian ancestries, BA greek ancestry in greece is likely 10 to 20%

>>17974108
that's irrelevant, the group of slavs that migrated to the balkans carried more I2a1b or it was a local founder effect, see here >>17973396 all greek i2a is i2a1b like bosnia
Anonymous No.17974125 >>17974127
>>17974112
Here it is, it's another repost because you're a demonstratively low-IQ shitskin retard who can't scroll up.

>R1a as your own image shows
R1a Greeks are undersampled in the Greek FTDNA, but that's not the point of the image; the point is that the clades are fully Slavic. Meanwhile, you ignore the Greek averages posted in the images from the studies I've cited above. The fact of the matter is that in mainland Greece and Crete, Slavic Y-DNA forms primary lineages, and both R1a and I2a are irrefutably major paternal lineages in mainland Greece.
Anonymous No.17974126 >>17974136
>>17974121
AHAHAHAH what a cope.
Literally so easy to dismantle your retarded shit.
Show me a citation of that. You literally can't, because you are making stuff up as you go, uralic rapebaby.
Anonymous No.17974127 >>17974145
>>17974125
>R1a greeks are undersampled
We are in full cope mode.
Slavs are vast majority R1a to this day, they were in the past also. It's like me trying to track spanish y-dna using J2 instead of R1b-DF27, it just doesn't make sense.
Slavic y-dna in greece is tops 15% which shows slight female mediation in admixture. Like in albanians and bulgarians, and the southern balkans in general.
I have nothing more to add.
Anonymous No.17974128 >>17974131
>>17974108
>I'm waiting
No need to wait anymore, read some studies before you run your retarded mouth.

The fact of the matter is, there are around 20 or so more I2a archaogenetic Slavic findings than those who are R1a in total.
Anonymous No.17974131 >>17974142 >>17974154 >>17974161
>>17974128
This doesn't address anything of what I wrote, you're using a secondary haplogroup that is more present in the balkans itself than in slavic land to track slavic migration. Literally retard tier.
Like me claiming greeks have J2 because of spaniards, completely nonsensical.
Anonymous No.17974134 >>17974143
>>17972492 (OP)
You didn't need genetic research to fucking know about Slavic intrusion into Byzantine lands. You fucking retards, we know this from chronicles already.

This entire thread is some unhealthy mentally ill cope of perma online virgin losers.
Anonymous No.17974136
>>17974126
you're just coping, all the i2a in greece is i2a1b, this is always evident when the various clades are separated,
Anonymous No.17974142
>>17974131
spaniards don't have the same clades of j2, so that would make no sense, balkan slavs have slavic clades of i2a almost exclusively
Anonymous No.17974143
>>17974134
what an idiot you are, "later homo" here doesn't mean "later homosexual", what an idiot
Anonymous No.17974145 >>17974166
>>17974127
You're the one who is in cope-mode, ignoring the very studies you've claimed I've never read, which provided systematic rebuttals to your "arguments".

> it just doesn't make sense
>Tracking Slavic Y-DNA with confirmed Slavic Proto-Slavic Y-DNA doesn't make sense to the Greek faggot denying systematically proved facts of a huge intrusion of Slavic I2a and R1a into the Greek gene pool

>We are in full cope mode
>Copes for the entire duration of the argument
>writes this, without any self-awareness, Greek FTDNA moderators have stated this, not me.

>Slavic Y-dna in Greece is
20-42%, depending on the region, based on Bosch et al, Heraclides et al, Anagnostou et al, and Giacomo et al.

>I have nothing more to add
That's the only smart thing you've said in this thread. You should've begun and ended the discussion with this.

>Slavs are vast majority R1a to this day
Which is wholly irrelevant because I2a1b-Din is the second most common Y-DNA among Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians, Southeastern Poles, Slovaks, and northwestern Czechs (including Prague). In Polesie, the percentage exceeds 40%. You keep moving goalposts, and still you get demolished. No wonder your ancestors were steamrolled by the Slavs.
Anonymous No.17974154
>>17974131
Because it's a Proto-Slavic haplogroup, you abominable retard, its Proto-Slavic origin is quite literally confirmed, and this has been mainstream knowledge since 2017, when Maria Utevska's study and the discovery of the TMRCA in Belarus refuted all arguments about the "native Balkan origin".

>Is more present
Because the Slavs who conquered the Balkans were more I2a1b-Din than R1a, and because I2a1b-Din had better reproductive success in the Balkans. The diversity of clades is the lowest in the Balkans (final destination of the migration) but the highest in the Proto-Slavic triangle (Belarus, Poland, and the Ukraine - landmass of origin). Go find A SINGLE non-Slavic I2a1b-Din finding, and I'll forfeit the argument.

>Anything
It doesn't just disprove it, it shits profusely all over your argument.
Anonymous No.17974161
>>17974131
>in Slavic lands
But the Balkans ARE* Slavic lands :)))
Anonymous No.17974166 >>17974193
>>17974145
Lol
"Greek FTDNA moderators" one of the best appeal to authorities I have ever seen.
I have researched a bit.
I2a1b-Din is not the only I clade and is around 9% of total y-dna for greeks, there is a other clades, not even remotely associated with slavs.
Which with R1a reach 18% on average in greece.
The average greek is around 20-25% slavic autosomally, which means slightly female mediated admixture, much like in Athens, so the original anon was correct.
Still it's strange than the early slavs that were in the balkans had 50-50 basically R1a-I.
I think I is frankly oversampled.
Anonymous No.17974167 >>17974169 >>17974170
>183 replies
Some anon posted that haploautist threads are the wosrt, most schizophrenic shit that can ever be seen on this board. I can see now. It's absolutely unhinged.
Anonymous No.17974168
This thread is literally just Anatolian rapebaby cope lmao
Anonymous No.17974169
>>17974167
This one is particularly bad because it's to do with balkan nationalism.
Anonymous No.17974170 >>17974193
>>17974167
It's because all data on the field is partial so they're arguing over studies with like 200 people, so the numbers vary wildly from study to study and everyone brings the numbers they like the most
Anonymous No.17974180 >>17974207
>>17973827
Slavs didn’t conquer the balkans. The earliest Slav appearance were all raids and that’s it: only after Justinian the Illyrian and demographic change brought about by black plague after 570 ad did things change and it was entirely because of the avars causing havoc and settling Slavs everywhere in the balkans. They did that not Slavs themselves. The Slavs were literal dumb peons incapable of waging effective war without Turkish command. This is how we Albanians were reduced but we still kept our majority Balkanite genes up in the mountains.
Anonymous No.17974184 >>17974189 >>17974207
>>17973759
Most Albanians are geg Albanians which are at best 10% paternally Slav and 25% autosmally Slav. That’s because we fucked your women and assimilated Slav males which we should have not done.
Anonymous No.17974188
>>17973609
Albanian identity isn’t recent. Albanians have had a genetic continuity, linguistic continuity and cultural continuity for a thousand years at least and genetics clearly points towards Albanians surviving in the mountains and then expanding massively around the 12-13th century.
Anonymous No.17974189 >>17974191
>>17974184
Albanoid shitskin cope
Anonymous No.17974191 >>17974207 >>17974295
>>17974189
Jealous Slavic shitskin. You’re on our land boy and you’ll be skinned alive when the time comes.
Anonymous No.17974193 >>17974201
>>17974166
>says he researched it a bit
>proceeds to give the worst take in the entire thread, even worse than that of the Greek retard defending his caved-in nation
I2a1b-Din comprises 99% of all mainland Greek I2 lineages, which is known thanks to studies and the Greek FTDNA. It's one of two major lineages in 4 mainland Greek regions, whereas R1a is a major lineage in 5 regions (4 in the mainland, and one in Crete).>>17973761, and the only way for I2a1b-Din and R1a to comprise sub-20% of modern Greek Y-DNA, is if one pools all Greek results together into one national average, the mainland Greeks with huge Slavic admixture, and the Aegeans and Cretans with negligible-to-minor admixture, there's a reason why mainland, Aegean, Cypriot, Pontian, and Cretan Greeks are studied as separate categories.

>So the original anon was correct
Not according to the abovementioned DNA studies and the Greek FTDNA, the sole exception is Athens, and that's a 3% difference between Y-DNA and autosomes.

>>17974170
The opposite is true; the numbers provided in the studies I've cited are more or less identical, and none of the authors are biased, especially not Heraclides and Anagnostou, who, while being Greek, didn't doctor their results regarding I2a and R1a.
Anonymous No.17974201 >>17974214
>>17974193
Citation on mainland greek being 99% that clade of I? It didn't seem from the data I saw.
Anonymous No.17974207 >>17974245 >>17974345
>>17974180
All of the Roman primary sources, and authorities on this period of history, like Bacic, Obolensky, Dvornik, etc, attest to the fact that the Slavs have conquered Southeastern Europe, and have arrived as invading conquerors.

>Turkish command
Which Turkish command is that? Avars were originally Slavic enemies and Roman federates. Their purpose was to stop the Slavs, and like the Romans, they failed at doing so. Only modern-day retards, against all primary sources, like Walter Pohl, claim that the Avars instigated the Slavic invasion and conquest. It's a Germanic cope because the Huns raped them and made them their vassals. I think you're just projecting because it was we who were settling you in Kosovo and Macedonia as our loyal Muslim thugs against the Serbs and Bulgarians there.

>Plague
Didn't affect the interior of the peninsula, only the Dalmatian coast, the Anatolian heartlands, and what is today's Turkish Thrace.

>The Illyrian
Not even remotely, and you're not Illyrian either, but Eastern Balkan Roman mutts, refugees of the Slavic invasion forming into a post-SP identity in the mid-to-late 900s.

>>17974184
I'm Turkish, my little Turko-Albanian pet, and your point would make sense if you were a large demographic, and not five monkeys selling drugs and organs in Albania's north. Apart from that, South Slavs, including the Serbs whom you hate because they're superior to you, share only 7 out of 22 mtDNA lineages with other Slavs, meaning they took centuries-spanning turns with your women, and you did nothing about it.

>>17974191
>Jealous of people whose only identity is Islam
>wants to create a Muslim Vatican in Tirana to suck our dicks even better
There's no such thing as your land because you don't exist without us and the Americans.
Anonymous No.17974214 >>17974226
>>17974201
Check the Greek FTDNA tablet for I2a lineages in Greece. They're 99% downstream of I2a-Din Y3120/ I've even posted the screenshot twice.
Anonymous No.17974218 >>17974225
Turkish DNA project in the house.
Anonymous No.17974225 >>17974227
>>17974218
I keep forgetting how infinitely better managed our DNA project is compared to "based, philosophical Greeks", creators of civilization and shit, turns out there's a reason we ass-raped them for some 400 years.
Anonymous No.17974226 >>17974242
>>17974214
I meant studies.
Anonymous No.17974227 >>17974242
>>17974225
you are more insecure about it and have bigger incentive
Anonymous No.17974242
>>17974226
Heraclides and Anagnostou specified that the I2a lineage is I-M423 (I2a1b).

>>17974227
Is that so? Even though I'm N1c1 myself? And yes, I'm aware that on a national level, we barely get 7.2% East Asian/Turkic lineages combined, there's only a peak in Central Anatolia (and it's just 15-16%). What now?
Anonymous No.17974245 >>17974274
>>17974207
Sorry shitskin but Roman primary sources clearly show Slavs as a squabble of raiders that always got BTFO. Only after the collapse of the gepids in 568 and supremacy of avars did Slav begin to settle you dumb fuck shitskin t.urk. All your Slav sources are BTFO by Curta. Slavs only ever became a problem because of their Avar masters using them as their slave soldiers and farmers. No amount of cope will ever change this fact.
>plague didn’t infect the interior
It sure did because you have no source to back that up and it’s clear that it induced replacement
>Albanians came from east balkans
This is the new Serb cope so you’re a serbshitskin. Albanians have western Balkan defined ancient haplogroups J2b-l283, R1b-z2108 and PF7576 all found in Illyrian and Mycenaean genetic samples. E-V13 also found as late as copper age Croatia and Hungary. You are indeed jealous that we are the only native population left and history destroys your fake historical revisionism Slav fag.
>slavs took turns with your women
Except autosomal dna of slavshits is 2.5 times greater than paternal which means more than 2 times as man Slavshit maternal lineage than paternal. BTFO SERB TURK MUTT GO HOME
Anonymous No.17974252
Find something that interests you as much as Balkans fighting over genetic purity.
Anonymous No.17974274 >>17974286
>>17974245
Curta is the most refuted and opposed historian-turned-archaeologist (or was it vice versa) in current academia; it figures that our mini-Turks are fond of him because he, just like them, has a rich imagination and lack of self-awareness.

>No amount of coping will ever change this fact
But my mini-Turk, you're the one coping in hopes of changing facts. There's not a single Roman source that confirms this. What it does, confirm, however, is that the Slavs were winning badly to the point where the Romans had to weaponize the Avars against them (which failed), when the Romans launched a counter-offensive during Pseudo-Maurice, which also failed, barring one or two victories of the Romans, the Slavs were running a train on them.

>Avar masters using them as their slave soldiers and farmers
Again, you're just projecting your own subjugation by us onto them through an earlier "Turkish" proxy (check image)

>And it’s clear that it induced replacement
Not a single Roman source states that their invasion was induced by the plague.

>This is the new Serb cope
This has been known since Georgiev, one of the leading Albanologists, proved this decades ago, plus your E1b, your primary Y-DNA, has an upstream in Bulgaria during the Thracian period.

>Jealous
Native Americans are also native, and people are just laughing at their pathetic existence. The same case here, you're funny people, a very high opinion of each other, because everyone else sees you as garbage.

>Slavshit maternal lineage
Again, 5 Ghegs stealing massa's daughter doesn't refute the fact that the Slavs did this to you on a profoundly bigger scale, and for centuries longer.
Anonymous No.17974278 >>17975560
>>17972492 (OP)
>31,5% in Davidski
Yep, he was.
Anonymous No.17974283
Anthrogenetics prove once you are touched by slavic subhuman admixture there's no going back
Anonymous No.17974286 >>17974609 >>17974628
>>17974274
You’re clearly a slavshit promoting fake Slavic revisionism. Curta has never been debunked and you’re seething hard now that I mentioned him. It’s funny but you can clearly look at the historical record. Slavshits were constantly btfo’d raiders between the period of 517 to 568, literally the period of Roman resurgence. Before the Avars, the neohuns like the kuritgurs and onigurs were their masters because Slavs cannot fight by themselves. The avars were only brought in to deal with the gepids and lombards and that backfired because they took their Slavic slaves with them that rebelled when they arrived in the balkans but were easily BTFO and then afterwards the avars used them plunder the balkans around 578.
>e1b is Bulgarian Thracian
Show on ytree. Funny how you completely ignore Illyrian roots that are as much as E-v13 combined. Guess where the synthesis of illyrians and Thracians occurred territorially?
>slavs raped us
And yet we have more of their maternal genes, ok orc you don’t know about to even think critically which is indicative of your barbarian roots.


The one thing that Turks and Slavs share in common is that you’re both squatters. Allah willing you’ll be wiped out.
Anonymous No.17974295 >>17974298 >>17974318 >>17976221
>>17974191
I fucked an Albanian women who had blue eyes and blond hair, clearly descended from slav chads who fucked brown shitskin whores and bleached them out. You won’t do shit while we fuck your women.
Anonymous No.17974298 >>17974316
>>17974295
extremely brown hands type this
Anonymous No.17974316 >>17974322
>>17974298
Whiter than you Balkan rapebaby
Anonymous No.17974318
>>17974295
Many such cases in the Balkans.
Anonymous No.17974322 >>17974330
>>17974316
You’re literally a gigamutt kek we are more purer and whiter than you.
Anonymous No.17974328
>>17972610
Why is that surprising? The Greeks were and ruled in the Middle East, they never were in fucking Sweden or Ireland
Anonymous No.17974330 >>17974336
>>17974322
Cope harder you have been raped for centuries by pure white Slav chads and subhuman turkroaches making you a mystery meat Balkan rapebaby.
Anonymous No.17974336 >>17974340
>>17974330
Most of our paternals are native so that’s another lie from the gaslighting Slav gypoid.

And we have the highest diversity of E-V13 clades which only means we are the native farmers of the whole region plus the yamnaya settlers. Our ethnogensis is 4000 years old. Our truest homeland is Kosovo and north Macedonia and by extension everywhere else in the western balkans.
Anonymous No.17974340 >>17974344 >>17974628
>>17974336
https://www.yfull.com/tree/e-v13/
Anonymous No.17974344
>>17974340
Anonymous No.17974345
>>17974207
You are Svetovid the Bosnian Slavic supremacist, not a Turk
Anonymous No.17974460 >>17974628
>>17973782
Indian nationalists use the same exact cope
>no aryan invasion saar, steppe ancestry is mediated by women
Really don't get what this greek coper is trying to prove here. How do percentages differences even matter here? A third of your ancestry has been completely replaced. This is devastating no matter how you spin it. Haplos have no relevance to genetics. If greeks had 100% slavic autosomal and 100% greek haplos, they would not be greek anymore. Even if we were to entertain your cope, which has been reliably proven wrong, you're not convincing a single person itt that "only" 20% y-dna replacement is somehow a huge win for you and a loss for slavs.
Anonymous No.17974483 >>17974628
terroni bros, we won, we will reclaim hellas
Anonymous No.17974609 >>17975144
>>17974286
>Slavic revisionism
This shit only exists in the heads of dirt farmers who survived their conquest, and now they're running their mouths because there's NATO to protect them.

> Funny how you completely ignore Illyrian roots
No such thing as an Illyrian with E1b, it's strictly non-Illyrian.

>Occurred territorially
Backtracking already, are we? Remind us, was a robbery near Ragusa the first time someone recorded the Albanian speech in the 1200s?

>Slavs cannot fight
>Gets conquered and ruled by them for centuries
Incredible, these "weak" people conquered half of the Eastern Roman Empire.

>The Avars were only brought in to deal with the Gepids and Lombards
Meanwhile: "(...) about the fourth year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius Constantine, some hundred thousand Slavs broke into Thrace and pillaged that and many other regions. As Greece was being laid waste by the Slavs, with trouble liable to flare up anywhere, and as Tiberius had at his disposal by no means sufficient forces, he sent a delegation to the Khagan of the Avars. (...)" - Menander Protector.

>Like the Kuritgurs and Onughurs
Meanwhile: "What man has been born, what man is warmed by the rays of the sun, who shall make our might his subject? Others don't conquer our land, we conquer theirs. And so it shall always be for us, as long as there are wars and swords are forged.” - Daurentius, the supreme chieftain of the Slavs, responding to the Avars before having them killed, Menander Protector.

>Have more of their maternal genes
Wait till this mini-Turk Albanian learns that Northern Albanians are a minority population compared to Albanians with 20-37% Slavic Y-DNA, depending on the region (and lower Slavic autosomes).

>barbarian roots
The literal audacity of Albanians calling their former masters barbarians, you running your mouth against both of your massas today, little Ademi.

>share in common
Is that we raped Rome and the Albanians?
Anonymous No.17974620 >>17974629
>>17972492 (OP)
Mycenean greek had very low to no indo european admixture while bronze age invasions brought 20-30 % admixture. Slavic admixture also was introduced at varying amounts mostly in thrace and Macedonia.

But I doubt its impact at huge rates across all of greece.

If you use mycenean greek as the primary population its going to estimate all the steppe ancestry as Slavic incorrectly.
Anonymous No.17974628 >>17974665 >>17975144
>>17974286
>Curta has never been debunked, and you’re seething hard now that I mentioned him
Curta is the most refuted and disputed historian/archaeologist in modern academia. You're drawn to him by instinct because he has the same, exact diarrhea-type brown tinge in his skin, like the average Albanian.

>Our truest homeland is Kosovo and North Macedonia
No, just read our tax censuses from the Ottoman period, you were an extreme minority in both lands before WE brought you there, for centuries, if I may add.

>>17974340
>Albanians are Celtic rape-babies
Amazing, who HASN'T taken a cum-dump on our residential laughing stock of history??

>>17974483
You lost, horribly.

>>17974460
> How do percentage differences even matter here
It's damage control on their side, and the funniest thing is that when they finally accept reality, they'll just pretend like the thing never happened and continue with their lives :)))
Anonymous No.17974629
>>17974620
The epicenters of Slavic admixture, both Y-DNA and autDNA, are Northern Greece and the Peloponnese, which fits the historical sources.
Anonymous No.17974665
>>17974628
>you lost horribly
Anonymous No.17974679
Ah yes, the Slavic Cretans
Anonymous No.17974721 >>17974751
>>17972492 (OP)
Here's how the Greek genepool was evolving over the millenia.
The base was the virgin Anatolian Farmers.
Then came the Yamnayas, who were more OP.
They BTFOd the farmers and took the Farmer Stacy as wives, resulting in the increasing of their admixture content, without continuous population inflow.
Anonymous No.17974751
>>17974721
i doubt farmer women looked like stacies
Anonymous No.17974771
>>17973827
Germanic admixture has been re-evaluated and divided into two groups, continental and Nordic.
Germans are 90% Continental and Scandinavians range from 60-100% Nordic.
Anonymous No.17974784 >>17976328
>>17973287
>>17973237
These are browns seething over Greeks today being undeniably European.
brown people living along the South/East Mediterranean want to claim Greeks and Romans as apart of their racial network because the alternative is Europeans DID create independent civilization which surpassed the degenerate bughives of Mesopotamia and The Levant.
Solar Aryan Greek demi-god Kings ruled over an age of high culture while sand grinding shitskins were having their souls devoured by molochian fire until said Aryan Greek BVLLs completely overran Western Asia and subjugated and dominated the ancestors of the arabs, nafris, roaches, lebanogs, and post CHG-rape monstruo creaturos.

It causes psychological pain in these unibrow(n) fucks when they are confronted with the simple fact people in Finland share more DNA with archaic Mycenaeans than people in Lebanon do.
they post distance charts but ignore actual shared ancestors.
If the Homeric figures were alive today theyd immediately fly into a Berserker rage and tear apart the average mudslime demijeet squatting in asia while embracing people as far afield as Iceland as racial and ethnic kin.
Anonymous No.17974788
>>17972610
Nope.
Greeks both then and now share more of their genome with people in Finland than people in Lebanon or Palestine or even the coast of Anatolia.
Greeks living 50 miles away from Anatolia share more of their genome with an Icelander thousands of miles away than they do with an ethnic Turk living on the coast of old Ionia.
Anonymous No.17974798
>>17973280
why is R1b is modern continental greece more common than J2a? weren't the greeks a bit more j2a?
Anonymous No.17974940
>>17973811
These studies dramatically increase the amount of Slavic Y-DNA, because they don't include millions of Anatolian Greeks that now inhabit Greece since 1922. The studies on Italy do the same because they also don't include millions of Southern Italians that have migrated to Central Italy and Northern Italy since 1945.

>>17973798
>That's because Athens is a massive melting pot of Greeks from all regions + hundreds of thousands of Albanians who identify as Greeks, and an equal number of Pontian Greeks with quite literally zero Slavic Y-DNA, dragging the percentage down.
Svetovid, these populations aren't counted in the genomic studies. They aren't counting a single immigrant to Athens.

>You say that as if it's 20%, a fifth of Greece's biggest city's population, is a small number;
It's a small number compared to the higher Slavic autosomal admixture mediated by Slavic women.

>It is* a Slavic marker, because, surprise, surprise, the entirety of I-P37 is found in Slavic countries
False. The basal clades of I-P37 are all in Italy and Spain. The ancient DNA samples too. That means more than half of the I2a in Greece is non-Slavic.

>The only people with Z93 in Greece (Greek Thrace, specifically) are Greek Turks.
No, Greeks had Iranic R1a prior to the arrival of Turkics anywhere in Greece. The Greek samples appearing with Z93 are not from Thrace.

>>17973892
>the majority of Greek immigrants in Athens are from traditionally low-Slavic-scoring regions
No, these populations aren't included in genetic studies. Don't be retarded like the brown Argentinian (Bolivian mestizo) troon. The Greek_Athens population has a high level of female mediated Slavic admixture that is lower in Greek islanders and absent in Pontic Greeks. This isn't counting a single immigrant to Athens.

>Greek FTDNA project
This easily proved that half of the I2a and R1a in Greece is non-Slavic.

>>17974029
Shut the fuck up brown latinx retard. You've been humiliated with every post you shit out.
Anonymous No.17975144 >>17975188 >>17975561
>>17974609
>>17974628
>E-V13 not Illyrian
It’s been found in copper age Croatia and is a farmer gene of illyrians. Illyrian nobility were R1b and J2b.
>menander Procter
After 568 ad. Slavic slaves of the neohuns and avars were btfo and then sent out to pillage by their Avar masters that backstabbed the Roman’s. This is a fact.
>northern Albanians
All geg Albanians have less than 12% slavshit paternal roots and gegs are 70% of all Albanians and gegs are 70% native in paternal. I’ve already posted proof.
>The literal audacity of Albanians calling their former masters barbarians
All Turks and Slavs are barbarians. Albanians are not.
>Curta is the most refuted
No he isn’t, every “refutation” has been debunked numerous times. Genetics disprove your nonsense and historical sources disprove your nonsense.
>ottoman tax census, we brought you there
The one you’re referring to in Kosovo is only half of Kosovo and only towards those that were directly the serfs of the serbshit Kang. Ragusan documents around the same time show that Albanians were a plurality in novo brdo and almost certainly everywhere else. We were a plurality because slavroaches overran our land and we progressively took it back.
>Albanians are Celtic rape babies
Since when is E-V13 Celtic?

You’re a retarded Slav we wuzzer and so fucked in the head because you have a confirmed N1 siberiski foreign rape father. You will never be Illyrian like us. You must go back.
Anonymous No.17975188 >>17975219
>>17975144
Slavshits rebelled from their Turkic masters in 577 and invaded illyricum, the Romans made peace with the avars and then both btfo’d the slavshits. Then in 578 the avars backstabbed the Romans and “100,000 thousand “ slavshits “migrated” south wards waging war. It’s obvious that they were being forced as slaves to fight for the avars.
Anonymous No.17975219 >>17975425
>>17975188
The Slavs under the ruler ship of the neo-huns invaded and plundered the balkans between 548-552 with help from the Germanic gepids but defeated near the walls of Constantinople. Slavs never independent invaded the balkans and were brought there by Turkic tribes - Kutrigurs, Onigurs and Avars.
Anonymous No.17975237
>>17972932
>Haploniggers
I guess Black Saharans are Western European blue-eyed white-skinned Aryans
Anonymous No.17975425 >>17975431 >>17976200
>>17975219
Slavshit niggery in the balkans
>518 - raided from Wallachia but defeated easily
>539-540 - raided with Huns (kurtigurs) whom were their masters
>545 - another hunnic led Slav raid
>548-552 - series of devastating raids facilitated by gepid Germans and Huns, they invaded from Pannonian controlled gepid lands so even the Germans ruled over the slav(e)
>558-559 - Huns raid again with their Slavic slaves
>568 - avars raid the Balkans with their Slavic slaves
>577 - Slavic slaves rebel but were defeated by their Avar lords and Roman’s
>578 - Avars raid
>581-593 - great series of Avar led raids with their Slavic slaves, they were defeated and sent back to Wallachia
>597 - brief Avar raid
>604 - brief Slav rebellion in thessonaliki, they were settled and enslaved by the Byzantine’s, probably all exterminated
>612-628 - Slavic slaves raid for their masters, beg for help from avars and avars, Slavs and Persians are defeated eventually defeated by 628
>knucklehead Heraculius invited the Croats around 630 and later the Serbs in 630-640 to settle some land in Dalmatia and Bosnia
>640- avars capture most the balkans and settle it with Slavs

Once again Slavs only exist in the balkans thanks to their Turkic masters being lucky.
Anonymous No.17975431
>>17975425
I suppose Heraculius had no choice since most of the native balkanites were wiped out by disease and war and Slavs probably had higher immunity to black plague compared to cleaner natives that had no immunity. The Slavs that were enslaved and settled in Anatolia constantly supported muslim invaders. If you factor out Persians and Arab muslims then Slavs would have been essentially wiped out. Too bad history ended up like this.
Anonymous No.17975560 >>17976137
>>17974278
Give it a rest mate.
Anonymous No.17975561
>>17975144
Svetovid, the person you're responding to, is in fact Serbian. He is somewhat knowledgeable on this subject but biased. For instance, he is unhappy about the fact that Serbs are as Slavic as Vlachs and Gagauz Turks, and himself tried to portray other Slavs as racially mixed when they are relatively pure unlike Serbs and other Balkan Slavs.

He is a completely different person from the brown 80 IQ latinx mestizo troon >>17972609 >>17972672 >>17972681 that is actually mentally challenged and a liar.
Anonymous No.17975587 >>17975657
>>17973025
>>17973042
There are no I1 morons in the Balkans, all I that exist in the Balkans are I2 din.
Anonymous No.17975657
>>17975587
>There are no I1 morons in the Balkans
Every DNA study shows presence of Germanic I1 in the Balkans, stronger in the north.

>all I that exist in the Balkans are I2 din
No, there's also I2a subclades of Mediterranean origin and I2b which are unrelated to Slavic I2a1b-Din.
Anonymous No.17976137 >>17976146
>>17975560
>Stop posting stuff I don't like, because it offends me.
Anonymous No.17976146
>>17976137
Not offended nigga, what do you take me for come on. You're reinventing outdated wheels. Senegalese aeronautics.
Anonymous No.17976195
>all those butthurt gypsies in the beginning of the thread
The study literally says there was NO sex bias in Slavic admixture. It contrasts with Germanic and Levantine ancestry in the Balkans though, both being male-mediated. Also, comparing the amounts of auDNA and Y-DNA is not how you measure sex bias, it's measured by comparing auDNA and X-chromosome.
Anonymous No.17976200
>>17975425
imagine being this raped to seethe for hours like this in one thread
yup, i am thinking slavs won
Anonymous No.17976221
>>17974295
Assuming this is a real story, how hard was it? I just googled and it says Albanians are Muslims. Also was she tall?
Having sex with a Balkan giantess is hot as fuck, pretty much the only sort of women besides pajeetas I'd be genuinely interested in having sex with.
Anonymous No.17976328
>>17974784
Mental illness.
Anonymous No.17976760
>>17973346
>>17973798
>Iranic
no such word exists. That's Iranian.

Turkish/Turkic classification makes sense, because the ethnic Turkish and the ethnic Turkic are the different stuffs.
The ethnic Iranians and the ethnic ""Iranics"" are the same thing on the other hand.
>B... but, Iranians in Islamic republic of Iran are only a part of the Iranics
They have never made up an ethnicity "Iranian" to distinguish Iranians inside and outside of historical Persia.
Sogdians, Khwarazmians, and Scythians are all Iranians.
Anonymous No.17976765
>>17972492 (OP)
jewvisky says what? disregard
Anonymous No.17976875 >>17976923
>>17972507
>>17972492 (OP)
I currently live in Serbia and serbs are swarthy af, also 90% of them have a beak nose.
Can't imagine how swarthy were the locals in roman times
Anonymous No.17976923 >>17977113
>>17976875
it's kinda funny, despite being 60% slavic serbs look like tall italians
Anonymous No.17977113
>>17976923
Also they aren't that tall from what I see (Belgrade + Novi-Sad), no difference from Moscow, avg height is somewhere between 5'10 and 5'11.
Anonymous No.17977123
>>17973237
Putin comes from some village near Petersburg.
He's probably 70% finnish.
Anonymous No.17977129
>>17973976
holy shit that's the most yamnay-looking man alive (probably not more alive tho, who knows).