Thread 17972724

Was the United States actually important during the expelling of foreigners in China?

Yes, the US was arguably the most important. Although militarily it wasn't as large as Japan's 20,000 troops or Russia's 14,000, it was the country that pushed the hardest for China's Open Door Policy.

>>17972724 (OP)
>YELLOW PERIL
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>unfriendly foreign invader
So like the USA is everywhere around the world kek
Besides, thats one hell of a way of calling Japan whom I thought as a better ally to USA than China is.

>>17972724 (OP)
Yes. If the USA didn't defeat the empire of Japan the Japanese probably would've just continued raping China for the next 100 years. This is ignoring other aid like Flying Tigers and other mercs (who were coincidentally 100% US servicemen) and material and monetary aid for both the Republic of China and Maoist forces.

>>17974077
Japan at that time was also an enemy of the United States, retard. World War II.

>>17972724 (OP)
>Please give my warmest to Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong Un, as you conspire against The United States of America.
lmao

>>17972724 (OP)
Trump's posting is so unhinged and passive-aggressive. Very womanly behavior. Sad!

>>17974267
True but theyre not enemies now he could use better wording

>>17974265
>USA didn't defeat the empire of Japan

The UK, Netherlands and US supplied 90% of Japan's oil, iron, copper against China from 1931-1940 while Japaj weed war against China.

The US only embargoed Japan and sent flying tigers after Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940, which Japan occupied in preparation for an invasion of the US held Philippines

The US literally only embargoed Japan after Japn invaded a western colony (French Indochina) with the intent of using it as a base to invade a US held territory (Philippines)

China doesn't owe shit to the US.

China is also the one that forced Japan to invade French Indochina, by defeating Japan in a series of battles in 1940.

Japan had to totally knock China out of the war by 1940 because even WITH the oil the US sold to Japan, Japan was running out of oil fighting China by 1940 WITHOUT the US embargo.

Japan needed the entire rubber and oil input of the Dutch East Indies and British Borneo to continue the war on China

Japan also tried to sever all of China's foreign borders in 1940, with French Indochina at the battle of Kunlun Pass and with the Soviet Union at the battle of West Suiyuan.

If Japan succeeded in these battles, China would have been defeated

Japan was defeated in both battles in 1940 and failed to sever China's land borders

Japan also lost the battles of Taierzhuang, Wanjialing and first battles of Changsha in 1938-1939

Japan also lost tens of thousands of dead and expended tons of fuel at battles where they won like Shanghai.

Britain already agreed to Japan to shut down the Burma road into China in 1940

Japan the directly invaded northern French Indochina to shut the border down on the French side after China defeated Japan at Kunlun pass

Japan invaded southern French Indochina in preparation to seize the US held Philippines, Dutch East Indies abs Brish Borbeo

And THEN the US embargoed Japan after all of this happened.

>>17974265
>>17974692
The US and UK are the ones that built Japan's modern military in the Mieji restoration

China defeated and crushed Japan in every war before the Meiji restoration.

At the battles of Baekgang and Noryang, outnumbered Chinese fleets massacred numerically superior Japanese.

Japan was a massive sex tourist destination for Chinese men and openly exported Japanese women to China (karayuki-san)

Britain built Japan's modern Meiji fleet against China and Russia

Britain built Japan's aircraft carriers and air corps in the Sempill mission

American army officers served in Japan's Hokkaido colonisation office against native Ainu and American officers led the Japanese expedition to Taiwan in 1874 against Paiwan Aboriginals

American Jews like Jacob Schiff gave Japan emergency loans against Russia in 1904-1905 and Schiff told Theodore Roosevelt to give the Russian held Dalian concession in Manchuria to Japan in the Treaty of Portsmouth

Japan used human wave attacks against numerically inferior Chinese and Russians at Beicang, Nanshan and the land battle of Port Arthur and Japanes suffered more deaths and were slaughtered

Only the American Jew loans and British built navy saved Japan.

America signed the Taft Katsuura agreement with Japan in 1905, agreeing for Japan to take over Korea as a Protectorate while Japan would recognise and help American rule in the Philippines

Japanese settlers came to Mindanao in the Philippines to help US against native Moro Muslims and Lumads in the 1920s.

America was allied with Japan against China in the Boxer rebellion in 1900.

China doesn't owe shit to America

Americ embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940


America didn't send a single cent of aid to China before Japan invaded French Indochina

America actively helped Japan seize more land and soldmost of their war supplies before 1940

Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu worked on the atomic bomb in the Manhattan project

>>17974265
And after 1941, the US is the one that needed China strategically

China blocked Japan from invading British India and Soviet Central Asia

If China gave up, Japan could seize the entire British India and bomb Allied oilfields in the Middle East

China had massive tungsten copper and iron mines in unoccupied Yunnan

China had Yumen oilfield in unoccupied Gansu

China had the massive fertile rice bowl Basin in occupied Sichuan.

The US and UK begged China to send 200,000 troops into British Burma to stop Japan from reaching British India

America didn't give a single cent of aid or send any pilots to China before Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940

After 1940, none of the aid was charity, America needed China to protect British India and to stop Japam from capturing China's own iron, copper and oilfields

If China surrendered, Japan could invade British India from all axises and use all of China's copper, iron, oil and grain to feed and supply its war in British India and SEA

America would not have given a single penny if China didn't block British India and didn't have vast mines and rice fields that Japan could use.

>>17974692
>>17974718
Entire provinces of China were never occupied by Japan

Entire Sichuan, Shaanxi, Gansu, Ningxia and Qinghai were never occupied by Japan

Most of Yunnan, Fujian, Guizhou were not occupied

West Guangxi, West Hunan, West Hubei, west Henan northeast Guangdong, southeast Jiangxi, South Anhui, southwest Zhejiang were not occupied by Japan.

Not a single Japanese soldier occupied any of those

>>17974265
>material and monetary aid for both the Republic of China and Maoist forces.

US aid after 1940 never reached communist forces retard

>Flying Tigers and other mercs (who were coincidentally 100% US servicemen)

Oversees Chinese made up a huge percentage of pilots and fighters even after 1940.

The Chinese flying clubs in Portland were started by Chinese not white Americans. They went to China to fly planes.

US Air corps (later aur force) general Caleb Vance Haynes who had a Chinese grandfather (Chang Bunker) who impregnated a white woman.

Japan never managed to invade China for 2000 years before the 20th century

Japan's attempt to attack China in the Imjin war (1592-1598) ended in disaster as China massacred the Japanese fleet at Noryang.

Japan spent the entire six years of war in Korea raping and killing Korean civilians while the Chinese army crushed the Japanese in Korea.

The US and UK actively built Meiji and Taishō Japan's military in exchange for teenage Japanese prostitutes (karayuki-san)

The US army officers helped Japan in colonizing Hokkaido, attacking Taiwan (1874) and taking over Korea (1905 as a protrctorate)

Japan was given Korea as a launch pad for invading Manchuria by America.

Japan's navy which it used to attack and land in Shanghai was built by Britain

Japan waged war against China from 1931-1940 with British and American oil, iron, copper, lorry (truck) engines and machine tools.

The US only embargoed Japan after Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940 because China defeated Japan at the battle of Kunlun Pass and first battle of Changsha

Moro Muslims fought against both the US and Japan

America recruited Japanese settlers to settle Mindanao against Moro Muslims

Moro Muslims carried out martyrdom attacks against Spanish, Americans and Japanese.

America has never given a single cent of aid out of charity to anyone.

China fought and defeated all Japanese attempts to occupy Sichuan, Shaanxi, Gansu, Ningxia and Qinghai.

Japan was the one in fear of Chinese invasions for most of history

After Tang China massacred numerically superior Japanese fleet at Baekgang, Japan built dozens of coastal fortresses fearing an invasion

In 1019, Jurchen Toi pirates invaded Japan and mass raped Japanese girls after slaughtering Japanese men and destroying Japanese coastal patrols.

Meiji Japan is literally a creation of America and Britain

Dumb Amermutts who keep claiming Japan would conquer China if America never existed forget that Japan NEVER conquered or could even invade China for over 2000 years.

Why didn't Japan invade China in the Han, Sui, Tang, Song dynasties?

Why did Japan's failed attempt at reaching China in the Ming end in massacre at Noryang?

Meiji Japan was built and fueled by the west.

Japan used poison gas against Taiwan Aboriginal civilians in 1930 in the Wushe (Musha) incident and America didn't lift a finger

Modern Japan's nuclear power program was given to Japan by America in its Cold War atoms for peace proWar.

Japan had multiple deadly accidents with nuclear power plants including the ine where a Japanese worker was in agony for days begging for doctors to kill him

Modern Japan's rocket satellite launchers were given to it by the US in the Cold war.

Meanwhile Chinese scientist Wu Chien-shiung built the atomic bomb in the Manhattan project

Chinese scientist Qian Xuesen worked on the original US ballistic missiles program and his cousin Qian Xueju (Tsien Hsue-chu) worked on US jet planes.

Chinese aeronautical engineer Wong Tsu worked on the first Boeing plane in 1916 used by the US Navy

America claims without America Japan would invade East Asia

No, without America Japan wouldn't be jack shit

Japan would be hermit kingdom, wouldn't even have a working navy let alone nuclear power

>>17974718
>American army officers served in Japan's Hokkaido colonisation office against native Ainu and American officers led the Japanese expedition to Taiwan in 1874 against Paiwan Aboriginals

Also the American officers ordered the Japanese to behead Paiwan Aboriginal corpses and the Ameicans took the heads as trophies back to the west.

Those American officers helped Japan set up colonies in Hokkaido against native Ainu and helped scout Taiwan for potential colony sites for Japan.

They were still angry over 1867 in the when Pauwan Aboriginals massacred an American ship in the Rover incident and defeated the US marines in the Formosa expedition.

American congressional testimony frok 1937-1940 admitted without American oil, Japan would never have been able to invade China in the first place.

Without America and Britain, Japan is nothing.

>>17974730
>after 1941, the US is the one that needed China strategically
Nihao.

>>17972724 (OP)
The US was more instrumental in helping repeal Japan than most of the nations invited, especially South Korea which is essentially a continuation of the collaborator Korean state of the 30s.

SK was invited to the thing yet we weren’t

And Japan had technological superiority (Due to Britain and America building their military not because of their own inventions) against China in WW2

Japan lost multiple battles against technologically inferior Chinese armies

Japan had naval superiority air superiority mechanised armour superiority chemical weapons superiority in every WW2 battle against China.

Many Chinese warlord troops just had straw sandals, rifles and swords or even just muskets.

Japanese soldiers showed humongous cowardice, without chemical weapons and tanks.

In the west Yunnan campaign, Japanese soldiers refused to cross the Salween river once their pontoon bridges and tanks were blown up in 1942, even though they could have done an infantry crossing without the tanks, against poorly equipped Chinese warlord troops on the other side.

The Japanese intended their tanks to lead the attack and trucks of supplies to follow.

Japanese refuses to fight opium addicted warlord troops armed with just rifles, if they didn't have overwhelming mechanised superiority available.

Japanese infantry could attack mountainous areas where no bridges or roads for tanks and trucks were available, but they didn't out of sheer cowardice.

Even Japanese "raiders" traveled with tanks, armoured cars or armoured train freight carts against China.

Japanese soldiers were high on methamphetamines for "courage".

Germans didn't even show this level of cowardice, Germans light infantry did entire campaigns like Crete and raided behind enemy lines.

>>17974906
Japan would have sodomised all of British India if China surrendered and gave them free access to the Indian border along with all of China's wheat and rice harvest as well as iron, copper mimes and arsenals

Japan would suffer from zero starvation or ammunition supply problems or forced labour (porters, road builders) if China gave up.

The US would then need to do land invasions against Japan in British India, mainland SEA and in China in that scenario, since Japan would set up a rump government in the Asian mainland to continue the war.

Dumbfuck, the US would never supply aid out of charity.

>>17974913
>instrumental in helping repeal Japan than most of the nations invited, especially

The US installed South Korean collaborators as the government in South Korea.

Park Chunghee prostituted 200,000 Korean girls to Japanese businessmen investors in the 1970s (Kisaeng sex tourism) and a million Korean girls to American troops.

The US is the one responsible for ceding Korea to Japan in the 1905 Taft Katsuura agreement where the US told Japan to take over Korea as a protectorate while Japan supported US occupation in the Philippines

All your points were shot down in flames above

The US and UK literally helped build Meiji Japan's military and helped them seize colonial territories

US army officers helped Meiji Japan in Taiwan and Hokkaido.

US was with Japan in the Boxer rebellion.

The US even fought Korea in the 19th century.

>>17974916
Also note Japan did not have tanks, armoued cars, supply trucks or fighter planes or mustard gas in the First Sino-Japanese war nor in the 1910s when it was trying to threaten China under Yuan Shikai.

That's why Japan didn't press in with further war against China in both of those cases, they didn't have the technological ability.

Japan stopped at Liaodong in the first Sino Japanese War, they didn't have the resupply ability(no trucks) nor mustard gas nor tanks nor air superiority to proceed further.

Japan was forced to use mustard gas against Chinese forts multiple times in WW2 when Japanese infantry assaults were repulsed with bloody casualties.

Japan only started full scale war against China in the 1930s once they had tanks, armoured cars, trucks for resupply, fighter bombers as well as mustard gas.

Against China while it was in the middle of massive civil war.

Japan also faces bloody insurgency in Taiwan from 1895-1933 with local Aboriginals massacring Japanese police

Japan was forced to mustard gas technologically inferior Aboriginals in 1930 after the Aboriginals repulsed Japanese troops in hand to hand fighting.

Abbos with spears and rifles were killing Japanese with machine guns.

Dumbfucks are claiming that the US which genocided Native Americans and actively waged war against China in alliance with Japan in 1900, suddenly become philanthropist and gave aid and embargoed Japan for China lmao.

This is the US which had segregation, Jim Crow, forced sterilisations of non-whites.

The US which backed apartheid South Africa during numerous massacres of Blacks.

The US that supported genocide in East Timor.

The US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina, which threatened the US in the Philippines.

>>17972724 (OP)


Sorry to break your bubble, but the Soviets raped actual Japanese girls.

Japan settled one million Japanese civilian settlers in Manchukuo in addition to the million Kwantung army soldiers and their families.

Japanese literally have the term zanryu fujin (leftover women) for Japanese girls seized as wives by Chinese men in Manchuria after Soviets raped them.


In World War II in 1945, Japan left behind Japanese women in China called Zanryu Fujin (stranded war brides) who prostituted themselves and married Chinese men. The Japanese women eventually brought their Chinese fathered children to Japan after several decades.

https://apjjf.org/-Rowena-Ward/2374/article.html

http://japanfocus.org/-Rowena-Ward/2374/article.html


The Japanese men were killed or deported to Siberia by the Soviet Red Army. Japanese women were left behind for the Chinese men. Then the Chinese fathered children were returned to Japan decades later.

The Japanese zanryu fujin mention Soviet soldiers raping Japanese girls

>>17975633
The Soviets occupied South Sakhalin and Kuril islands and raped the Japanese girls there too.

South Sakhalin and Kurils were both part of Japan for decades by them with large Japanese settlement.

Soviets also occupied North Korea which had large Japanese settlement.

Soviets raped Japanese girls and Korean girls in North Korea in 1945.

347,000 to 376,000 Japanese were killed by Soviets in August storm

Soviet Union took control of 2.7 million Japanese in Manchukuo and North Korea during their August storm operation.

Japan had settled over 1 million Japanese civilian settler colonists in Manchukuo with their families, including wives and daughters.

Soviet troops set up rape quarters in barracks where hundreds of thousands of Japanese settlers girls, women and military nurses were gang raped for months until the Soviet army withdrew.

Japanese men were deported to Siberia as slave labour in gulags when the Soviet army withdrew.

The Soviets also invaded South Sakhalin and Kurile islands (Karafuto) where Yamato Japanese settler colonists also lived.

>>17972724 (OP)
>>17975633
>>17975637

Japan mass settled ethnic Yamato Japanese in South Sakhalin, Kuril islands, Korea and Manchukuo.

The Soviets occupied South Sakhalin, North Korea, Kuril islands and Manchukuo.

The Kwantung army and the Japanese army in northern Korea and South Sakhalin and Kuril islands were all ethnically Yamato Japanese.


The Soviets openly massacred large numbers of Japanese men.

Chinese men openly joined Soviet soldiers in torturing and massacring Japanese male settlers and raping Japanese female settlers.

Soviets openly ran over Japanese men with their tank treads at Gegenmiao

Hundreds of thousands of Japanese male settlers died of massacres, torture, cold, disease and starvation as the Soviets and Chinese seized their homes, clothes and food.

The Soviets seized Japanese settler girls and nurses to be gang raped in their barracks for months, until the Soviet withdrawal and repatriation of the Japanese women.


Some 500,000 Japanese female settlers were mass raped in Manchukuo for months.

490,00 sent back to Japan after the rapes.

10,000 Japanese girls taken as wives by Chinese men remained behind as zanryu fujin

>>17975633
>>17975637
>>17975641

I love how weebs try to pretend Japanese civilians escaped rape in WW2.

The dumbass Japanese government put Japanese civilians right in the rape zone by moving over a million Japanese settlers to Manchukuo.

Half of the settlers were female since entire families were settled

Kwanting army soldiers and employees brought their families too.

The Soviets captured 2.7 million Japanese in total across Manchukuo, North Korea, South Sakhalin and the Kuriles

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17775343/#q17775346

Japanese settlers reported mass rape of Japanese girls everywhere in all four of those occupation zones.

Soviet soldiers only placed Japanese girls in their barracks for repeated nonths long rapes in Manchukuo.


Japanese girls were actively herded into Soviet barracks and raped for months, and not just randomly raped on the streets.

The Soviets actively herded Japanese settler civilians and nurses into designated camps for processing and repeatedly raped the girls while they were waiting for repatriation back to Japan

Chinese immediately kicked Japanese men out of their houses in Manchukuo and took all their food and clothes, Japanese males were dying en masse by the hundreds of thousands in a few weeks.

Also, only Japanese males were massacred en masse at specific incidents like Gegenmiao

>>17975633
>>17975637
>>17975641
>>17975644
Chinese men were joining the Soviets in committing the massacres.


210,000 to 220,000 Japanese civilian settlers (mostly males) died in a few weeks in Manchukuo in late 1945 under Soviet occupation, from a combination of exposure to the cold, starvation, disease and massacres.

Others put the death toll at 347,000-376,000 Japanese.

Japanese girls and women were able to get food and clothes from Chinese farmers in exchange for sex.

Soviets ran over Japanese males with tanks in Gegenmiao.

>>17974936
>>17975637
Over a million Korean prostitutes served Japanese businessmen and American soldiers under Park Chunghee

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16659572

16659572

Over 200,000 Korean girls were prostituted to Japanese businessmen in the 1970s by Park Chung-hee

https://newint.org/features/1993/07/05/sex#:~:text=They%20lighted%20on%20the%20Kisaeng,sales%20point%20for%20Japanese%20men.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43923277

https://books.google.fr/books?id=tNNyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT294&lpg=PT294&dq=%22these+developments+in+the+latter+part+of+the+decade%22&source=bl&ots=o57QUcXOV1&sig=ACfU3U1ye5cK7o37ls01HC9CTRlc67G9Lw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5_c2Jw5L7AhX7_7sIHcuDAxoQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=%22these%20developments%20in%20the%20latter%20part%20of%20the%20decade%22&f=false

https://g-turs.com/j-tour/japan-tour-holiday-pantip.html

https://www.academia.edu/40146397/International_Cases_in_Tourism_Management

https://books.google.fr/books?id=OwssBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=%22They+lighted+on+the+Kisaeng,+a+traditional+Korean+dinner+and+provocative+entertainment,+as+the+main+sales+point+for%22&source=bl&ots=SXbgbcjtDM&sig=ACfU3U2UMEuDOHT0imB5oQMAAFXvWgP-jw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE5pyYwpL7AhUsgP0HHf-uBT0Q6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q&f=false

Park Chunghee was an officer trained by Japan and volunteered for Japan, and Japan sent him to the Manchukuo puppet army in 1944 for garrison duty. He wasn't even allowed to serve in the Kwantung army

There was zero fighting in Manchukuo in 1944

He was an officer and pro-Japan collaborator volunteer so he got assigned to a non-combat front

Taiwanese and Korean conscripts were thrown into the Philippines in 1944 with bamboo spears

Park Chunghee and Manchukuo army didn't even fight the Soviets, they disintegrated on contact and Park fled to Beijing and then Tianjin for American ships to evacuate him to South Korea

The Japanese Kwantung army which was several hundred thousand troops fought the Soviets and got crushed

>>17975637
>>17974936
>>17975647

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16658070

>>16658070

Japanese sold Koreans as slaves to Portuguese in the Imjin war including Korean sex slaves

Korean women gave birth to Portuguese fathered babies in Macau.

Japanese also raped Korean girls in barley fields during Imjin war.

Ming Chinese troops raped Korean girls during the Imjin war, accusing their families of being Japanese collaborators