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Anonymous No.17974055 >>17975582 >>17975586 >>17975591 >>17975603 >>17975629 >>17976444 >>17978605 >>17978998 >>17979878 >>17980197
>Western culture peaked in the 1500s
Why does anyone believe this retard?
Anonymous No.17974124 >>17974129
he didnt say that
Anonymous No.17974129
>>17974124
I say it does because fuck you anon.
Anonymous No.17974146 >>17974358 >>17976299 >>17978078 >>17978217 >>17980217
Western civilization peaks every day. The rest of the world needs 10x the population size for half the GDP.
Anonymous No.17974358 >>17977964 >>17977969
>>17974146
Spengler differentiates between culture and civilization, the latter starting when the former dies. He thought that this turn was in the 19th century and that western civilization would go on a couple of centuries before it would die too
Anonymous No.17975571 >>17980280
It's Renaissance nostalgia. Also those ages did give us some pretty revolutionary figures, like Cervantes and da Gama.
Anonymous No.17975582 >>17983357
>>17974055 (OP)
Western civ peaked just before WW1 in the early 1900s. 1914 ruined everything
Anonymous No.17975586 >>17980280
>>17974055 (OP)
Trvth svpernova
Anonymous No.17975591 >>17975595
>>17974055 (OP)
Spengler actually says Western Culture peaked (in terms of cultural output, purity of political forms, etc) in the 18th century, during the enlightenment.
He does not dislike or devalue the centuries that came before, though.
Anonymous No.17975595 >>17975602
>>17975591
Hell, he isn't even that harsh to the 19th century.
Anonymous No.17975601 >>17980280
Western culture peaked in the middle ages.
Anonymous No.17975602 >>17975690 >>17976297
>>17975595
He would probably have a lot to say about the 20th, id he lived today. Assuming he had enough dignity and quality to not just act like a German Dugin.
Anonymous No.17975603
>>17974055 (OP)
It did in the 1800s
Anonymous No.17975629 >>17975638 >>17978021
>>17974055 (OP)
Spengler defined cultures the same way people define styles and forms of art independent of their time and location which prompts the question: what is the essence of "western culture"?

to answer this question Spengler looked to the most concrete thing possible (mathematics) and discovered that mathematics is in fact not universal across all cultures because they have different systems of geometry and this affects their conceptions and definitions of numbers. Spengler observed that Europeans have used at least three types of numbers throughout recorded history:

- number as a bodily unit (Classical. in such a system zeros and square roots can't be numbers.)

- number as an x variable. (Magian)

- number as a function in cartesian space. (Western/Gothic)
Anonymous No.17975638 >>17975642
>>17975629
Fuck you ChatGPT.
Anonymous No.17975642 >>17975993
>>17975638
I didn't use ChatGPT. I've actually read the entire book you stupid fucking nigger.
Anonymous No.17975690
>>17975602
never compare the retarded nigger cock sucker known as Dugin to Spengler.
Anonymous No.17975993 >>17976002
>>17975642
I'm sorry man. I'm just paronoid atp.
Everything you said was correct. Though Spengler more accurately wrote that everything in a culture including it's mathematics were traceable back to their view of time and space ( Abstracted by him into a 'prime symbol') based on the natural spaces they live in.
Anonymous No.17976002 >>17976007 >>17976300
>>17975993
yeah, well "Decline of The West" sounds so much cooler than "A scholarly inquiry into defining historical culture's according to their geometric constructs"
Anonymous No.17976005
*cultures*
Anonymous No.17976007 >>17976008 >>17976025
>>17976002
Yes. Though the title is not incorrect. It does somewhat talk about the Decline of the West (in a Cultural, Spiritual, Social etc. sense) very much. Along with making predictions for the future.
He also draws parallels to other cultures to substantiate his reasoning. Of course.
Imo, his predictions are less interesting than his morphology of Historical Cultures.
All the penglersloppers write in their Substacks "Is Blumpf da hecking BASE CAESARISM?" But no one ever tries to apply his analysis of history to a prospective Hochkultur and see how it goes.
Anonymous No.17976008
>>17976007
Spenglersloppers*
Anonymous No.17976025 >>17976114
>>17976007
I've actually been trying to shill some of Spengler's ideas in the arts world (I'm completing a composition course.) because more than virtually any other author he really gets to the essence of what a particular historical style or form is about.
Anonymous No.17976114 >>17976177
>>17976025
Doubt the idea that the arts have essentially peaked and it's all downward from here is too popular over there. Even if, imo, I think it's widely correct. Maybe you can correct me on this, but since Atonality was exhausted, have there been any new true developments in composition? Last 'great' composer I recall is Stravinsky.
Painting kind of Gassed out at around the same time. DalΓ­ being one of the last 'greats'.
Though do tell me if you disagree.
Anonymous No.17976170 >>17976185 >>17980280
If we compare the western culture of today to that of the 1500s he was correct
Anonymous No.17976177 >>17976298
>>17976114
in music the resources of counterpoint, modulation, and developing variation technique are very far from being exhausted however brand-new styles will not be invented.

also, the theory of harmony will see further improvements over this century and the next. The one we currently have erroneously tries to derive principles from harmonics and overtones but it will be superseded by a theory (much more in line with the Western/Faustian conception of numbers) which uses interval roots and interval vectors as its starting point.
Anonymous No.17976182 >>17976185
All of this different civilizations shit is just astrology for men btw
Anonymous No.17976185
>>17976182
>>17976170
read the book and come back, tard.
Anonymous No.17976297 >>17976301
>>17975602
He'd probably think we're too obsessed with the art, which is long dead, and should worry about practical matters more.
Anonymous No.17976298 >>17976357 >>17978175
>>17976177
Are you sure? According to Spengler that should be grinding to a halt by now. Replaced by endless, meaningless novelty.
At least painting, which is more my expertise, is to my mind exhausted. By the 60s it was deeply decrepit as a form. Pollock and Rothko are the exemplars of painting as it gave a few last pained breaths and then dissolved into nothing. There are still painters around, maybe even celebrity painters. But their work means little. And the medium cannot be taken much farther than it already has.
Anonymous No.17976299 >>17976750 >>17978198
>>17974146
GDP is not culture fucking burger retard
Anonymous No.17976300
>>17976002
I always though "Twilight of the evening lands" was a cooler translation
Anonymous No.17976301
>>17976297
I mean he'd probably jizz himself talking about Russia and the Cold war. But yeah.
Anonymous No.17976357 >>17976383
>>17976298
yes, I'm sure. His prediction that the 20th century would be the last century to see the creation of brand-new styles was essentially correct however some unsolved problems concerning the theoretical aspects of harmony and music still remain.
Anonymous No.17976383 >>17976389
>>17976357
I personally want to make a map or two of his ideas. A fantasy of sorts based on what he says about X Culture in Decline.
I'd make two. One for the Magians, another for Russia. The Magians and the Faustians would be mentioned only in the sidelines. Much less the Egyptians, the Indians, or the Babylonians. the Chinese would be alluded, and the Americans would be passingly implied.

I have my own ideas for his Morphology (Such as Tibet being a Possible Hochkultur) but I think it would be declassΓ© to include them. Though I may get a little creative with Russia.
Anonymous No.17976389 >>17976395
>>17976383
his definition of what constitutes a distinct high culture is quite strict and there are a limited number of space-time conceptions.
Anonymous No.17976395 >>17976410
>>17976389
I know. It's very tentative. Maybe a mirage. But the development of the tibetan State and religion up to at least the 18th century fits his morphology somewhat. Don't know enough about Tibetan art to speak on it, though.
Anonymous No.17976410 >>17976436
>>17976395
Tibet seems more like a mountainous retreat for Buddhist mystics than an actual high culture.
Anonymous No.17976436 >>17976437
>>17976410
What makes you think that?
Tibetan Buddhism is (outwardly at least, inwardness may be debated) it's own distinct tradition from Indian and East Asian Buddhisms. Their architecture is at a glance distinct from both India and China. They used to/have a very particular political tradition with very specific political arrangements tied to monasticism an Buddhism.
And for the record, there are more Tibetan religions than *just* forms of Buddhism.
Anonymous No.17976437
>>17976436
Granted, if the Culture does exist, it is currently being asphixiated by the Faustian West, India, and China.
Only Bhutan is left unimpeded now.
Anonymous No.17976444
>>17974055 (OP)
He's right. Western Culture flourished from 1475-1600 AD and then went slowly downhill
The founding of Jamestown was of little immediate consequence, but its consequences over the last century have been obvious
Anonymous No.17976735 >>17977225 >>17978016
Since there seem to be some Spenglerfags in this thread I want to raise some points on where I disagree with Spengler

1. Cultures CAN influence each other and actually this is the main way new cultures are born. It's absolutely not a coincidence that Greece, India and China begin their culture cycles at the exact same time as the Egyptian and Mesopotamian cultures reach burn out (the Bronze Age Collapse). The same for the rise of Western Europe and Islam, neither could have existed without the burnout of the classical culture first.

2. Hence, pseudomorphosis doesn't exist. Spengler only invented this concept to defend his idea that cultures can't influence each other which is untenable.

3. Thus, the Magian culture/Islam is NOT a case of pseudomorphosis. I broadly agree there is some kind of Magian culture he identified but its history is the only culture that does not neatly fit into his typical culture cycle model, hence Spengler spends a giant tedious chunk of the second book trying to fit it into his theory. I think rather than being the peak of Magian culture, Islam was only the beginning, but something went wrong either philosophically (they did not seem to be able or willing to move past Aristotelianism like the European scholastics did) or simply geopolitically (the sack of Baghdad). Either way Islam skips most of the conventional culture cycle and goes straight to terminal imperialism with the Ottoman empire.
Anonymous No.17976750 >>17978052 >>17978078
>>17976299
Sorry but we're gonna raise the standard of living even further, it's our culture to strive for more. Sorry :)
Anonymous No.17977225
>>17976735
Some points
1) Spengler does not deny that Cultures can influence eachother. Only that they cannot modify the core parts of their being with that influence. He outlined ways Cultures could be receptive of influence without pseudomorphic deformation, I.E the greeks and their Orientalizing period. Or the West and it's adoption of everything foreign. As for the culture thing, it is mostly a coincidence. China is a fully independent development. India and Greece are too alien for anyone to credibly protest influence.
2) The pseudo-morphosis is an observable phenomenon arguably.

3) I don't have time to adress this right now. However. Islam (Late Magian Culture and Civ) is Magian Culture Freed from the pseudomorphosis.
Anonymous No.17977964
>>17974358
/thread
Anonymous No.17977969
>>17974358
A civilization lasts for like 600 years after it becomes a civilization. If we count Caesarism and post caesarism.
Anonymous No.17978016 >>17978021
>>17976735
Responding to your third point properly.
You clearly misunderstand his model if you think a Culture can just stop developing randomly. It's like thinking about an animal that random skips adulthood and adolescence to become old. It makes no sense.
Islam didn't come from nowhere. Islamic architecture was not primitive and grasping, but the complete opposite.
Anonymous No.17978021 >>17978071
>>17978016
read this post: >>17975629
Anonymous No.17978052 >>17978055 >>17978416
>>17976750
Idiot, we live like shit and we look like shit.
Have you tried turning into a tranny because women live longer than men?
Anonymous No.17978055 >>17980228
>>17978052
women live longer because they can't coom and cooming ages you.
Anonymous No.17978071
>>17978021
Yes I have read that one. And I will have you know that the roots of Algebra lie in Alexandrian Mathematicians of the third century like Diophantus. (Something which Spengler wrote about in Decline).
It's silly of you to think the fully fledged mathematics of the Islamic Golden age came from nothing.
And, imo the Greeks are over-represented in the field of Magian Mathematics because most Syriac and Persian works were lost through history.
Anonymous No.17978078
>>17974146
>>17976750
This was kinda Spengler's point, that material expansion would replace metaphysical and artistic depth and meaning. that the metaphysical ideas that made the West would be fulfilled, and people would turn to hedonism, money and power because there was nothing else for people to do, no ideal to hold oneself to.

Spengler's predictions really are an extension of Nietzsche's ideas/predictions of the last man, you can really think of him as Nietzsche the lesser. Spengler was also seething at the superiority of Britain(at the time). that colours his work. That being said, I think he has some good points, but the criticism of lack of empiricism is also a good one. he would probably consider empiricism as part of a declining civilisation
Anonymous No.17978175 >>17978270 >>17978273 >>17980839
>>17976298
Look, I am going to be controvertial here but I still find new works which can truly thrill me, you can mock me for, for example, liking speedcore the same way Spengler surely mocked jazz, yet I think speedcore perfectly exemplifies the faustian spirit both in terms of sheer speed, power and the fact you need the most representative faustian technology, programming (mathematical functions so complex only electronic machines can properly execute), and then there is the fact you have all these videos of browns and nogs trying to build cars, power plants and planes in their junkyards. I think Spengler was a bit too elitist and failed to see even non germanic races would come to love the faustian need for machine building, we are certainly going through a crisis but it's more about our managerial class having too many pareto class 1 people (DA JOOS), than anything else, put some lions in charge and you will get space colonization back on track.
Anonymous No.17978198 >>17979154
>>17976299
It helps enable it, though, you subhuman moron.
Anonymous No.17978217 >>17979734
>>17974146
>peak is jew money number go up
Anonymous No.17978270
>>17978175
All art made by Faustians is perfectly representative of the Faustian spirit. It's embedded on how you think about the world.
Regardless, the Spread of Faustian Civilization is exactly the thing you'd expect. All Cultures begin massive exoansion outward once Civilizations set in.
Anonymous No.17978273 >>17978362
>>17978175
And everything you talk about is peak Decline fare. Purely technical accomplishments. Engineering. Synthesis.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Because it won't be forever.
Anonymous No.17978362 >>17978364
>>17978273
And Imo, if Spengler is correct, Telepathy, Ayahuasca Mysticism, etc will probably be a well accepted part of the Scientific Concensus by 2100.
Anonymous No.17978364 >>17978425 >>17979992
>>17978362
Safe to say that the West is spent. Russia, on the other hand, is a whole other thing. That's potential.
Anonymous No.17978416
>>17978052
You have food everywhere and a machine in your pockets that sends what you want to eat into space so another guy receives it and makes you a pizza to then brijg to your door, al while you are immunized against the most common deadly diseases. After which your computer can tell you about all human knowledge and connects you with whoever you want on earth. If you cannot flourish in this point of human history, you wouldn't be able to in any year before, it's never been this easy.
Anonymous No.17978425 >>17978430 >>17979362
>>17978364
> Russia, on the other hand, is a whole other thing.
What makes you say so?
Anonymous No.17978430
>>17978425
it's Nigeria with snow.
Anonymous No.17978605
>>17974055 (OP)
Sex gifs.
Anonymous No.17978998
>>17974055 (OP)
>Only nazbols believe your bs nowadays
grim
Anonymous No.17979154
>>17978198
ah, it ENABLES it, monsieur? interesting. what do you say about GDP being higher than ever, while at the same time social mobility remains to be a distant, unobtainable goal for our generation?
Anonymous No.17979362 >>17979476 >>17979992 >>17980577
>>17978425
Spengler said so. But independent of that, they display a different Religious Consciousness than Western Europe, a different political instinct, and have widely dfferent artistic tastes.
Anonymous No.17979476 >>17979581
>>17979362
So does China. So does India. So does the Middle East. What makes them special?
Anonymous No.17979581 >>17979647
>>17979476
That they are just in formation. As opposed to all the ones you listed. Which have long calcified into sclerotic forms.
They are debatably not even in Spring yet.
Anonymous No.17979647 >>17979862
>>17979581
How is a collossal state like Russia still in formation? Gigagovernment is like the peak of a developped culture and they're only getting bigger.
Anonymous No.17979734
>>17978217
Jew number go up means you can feed your kids
Anonymous No.17979862 >>17979875
>>17979647
Culture, not State.
Plus, all pre-cultures have Robust and efficient state forms. Think of the Carolingian empire. That's a comparable thing.
Anonymous No.17979875 >>17979959
>>17979862
I don't see slavs living like tribal ooga boogas going in small hordes, looking for loot and conquest today, in the fashion of the Germanics during the end days of the Roman Empire, and even during the Carolingian era. We don't see that full liberty of action characteristic of embryonic cultures, where even the government itself is an openly questionable and easily fled from institution.
Anonymous No.17979878
>>17974055 (OP)
>The Greco-Romans didn't care about history or the past even doe they invented the study of history or something.
Anonymous No.17979921
It did for Spain/Italy
Anonymous No.17979959 >>17979978
>>17979875
No pre-culture is exactly like the last.
>We don't see that full liberty of action characteristic of embryonic cultures, where even the government itself is an openly questionable and easily fled from institution.
Not necessarilly, the Myceneans had a very stratified and controlled society on the form of the egyptians
Anonymous No.17979978 >>17980147 >>17980312
>>17979959
Greek mythology shows a very childish society where even murder is legal. At most, people are sent to the borders of some kingdom as punishment for their vile actions.
We see the same among the Romans. Some dude is raised up by a wolf, randomly builds a city out of mud. The Romans randomly decide to steal the Sabin women, because their society is teenagers doing morally condemnable but fun things, and it remains without any consequences because there's no "adult" authority able to punish them for their actions.
I don't think the Russians live in this happy natural state.
Anonymous No.17979992 >>17980312
>>17979362
>>17978364
>widlly different artistic tastes
>potential
This is one of part of Spengler that has been thouroughly proven wrong by time, and the part of "artistic taste" is patently wrong. Russian novels and classical music has always had some of the most wide appeal. Today they are obsessed with 90s pop culture and weeb shit just like everyone else. There is virtually nothing to indicate any kind of cultural or societal accomplishment.
Anonymous No.17980010
spengler (equals) joseph kleutgen (minus) sex with nuns
Anonymous No.17980147
>>17979978
It is necessary to keep in mind that Greek and Roman accounts of the earliest periods of their history obfuscate literal mythology with reality. The truth is that some degree of civilization (understood in the conventional sense, and not in the Spenglerian one) existed in Greece since the days of the Minoans and in the Italic peninsula since the days of the Etruscans. The Nuraghe of Sardinia are massive monuments to late Bronze Age and early Iron Age West Mediterranean people's capacity to plan, accumulate resources, and direct people towards collaborative efforts, obviously rudimentary in comparison to the Seven Wonders of the Classical World, but still quite impressive for people who lived in small wooden and stone huts and practiced small-scale subsistence farming and herding.
The truth is that no culture emerges fully formed from a truly anarchic state, for there needs to be an intermediate state in which agriculture, sedentary lifestyles, and some primitive form of rule-following are adopted before fully fledged cities with artisans, merchants, bankers, councillors, etc. can emerge.
Anonymous No.17980197 >>17980200
>>17974055 (OP)
Neither the West nor the East have peaked. Post-scarcity new golden age incoming. Freed from mammon, humanity will surge towards god.
Anonymous No.17980200 >>17980229
>>17980197
post-scarcity is the Faustian bread dole.
Anonymous No.17980217
>>17974146
Lol retard
Anonymous No.17980228 >>17980230
>>17978055
what retard actually believes this?
Anonymous No.17980229 >>17980248
>>17980200
Effectively, yes. China (its elites) want to use AI to maximize satanic oppression of people worldwide, but freely available AI tools will be like the West granting the cornucopia of the earth's plenty even to the poorest regions with the shittiest geography or institutions. Exploitation and war atoned for. All people going hand-in-hand toward reunion with the divine. Eden regained.
Anonymous No.17980230 >>17980232
>>17980228
Nikola Tesla.
Anonymous No.17980232 >>17980235
>>17980230
I like Tesla but are you out of your mind?
Anonymous No.17980235
>>17980232
Tesla said the same thing, although in more eloquent terms.
Anonymous No.17980248 >>17980257
>>17980229
Isn't deepseek free while open ai is not?
Anonymous No.17980257
>>17980248
We're not at truly revolutionary models yet. And yes there is a struggle in the AI communities about whether AI should be used angelically or satanically. In the US closed source power graspers/gov entities argue for satanism. But as a difference observe the way China already uses AI to surveil, datamine, profile, pre-crime its citizens and actively rolled out the social credit oppression/control system already. At least in the US/West there are still actors who care about the freedom of the individual (again, there could be some in China but they'd have to be deeply underground about it).
Anonymous No.17980280 >>17980281 >>17980287
>>17975571
>>17975586
>>17975601
>>17976170

Notice when buff doge/Dr. Livesey appears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7fiV-c-g8w

Imagine being capable to grind down Dar Al Islam at the peak of its power, kick out the jews and then take over not just 1 but most of 2 continents and build a global empire before the steam engine. Medieval/Early Modern Age Spain is the peak of faustian culture, they did all of this before the anglos and without the internet, they are the only reason why Christianity is still the largest religion in the planet and US is carrying hard through hispanic states western civilization despite the plague of rationalism, east asian cuckery and Spengler's Money. Hispanic states are about the only ones which still do real physical stuff like manufacturing, farming and extracting energy resources, Texas and California provide the most of US military personnel and hence are the defacto enforcers of the western hegemony.

Hispanics still have some of the faustian culture alive in them due their need to integrate other peoples within their own at a genetic and spiritual level.
Anonymous No.17980281 >>17980298
>>17980280
Spain is the European equivalent of a nigger who wins the $100,000,000 lottery and blows it all within a week before dying from a drug overdose.
Anonymous No.17980287 >>17980298
>>17980280
>Texas and California provide the most of US military personnel and hence are the defacto enforcers of the western hegemony.
No offense to hispaniards, but check how many nuclear sub commanders, carrier captains, stealth bomber and fighter pilots, and DARPA development nigs are hispanic.
Anonymous No.17980298 >>17980363
>>17980281
>>17980287
But that's the point, you need soldiers and workers, and people willing to spend money in real goods instead of diploma mills. And unironically new migrants, particularly those who get the lower end jobs, are often the most ardent supporters of their new countries and the first ones who will defend it, frontier people are by nature extremely territorial, and in hispanic case they are fighting to become westerners, unlike other brown peoples they are about the only ones who are willing to dig and kill for their new adopted civilization.
Anonymous No.17980312 >>17980380
>>17979978
Mythology is partially symbolic. And far detached from the actual Mycenean Period. But anyway, the Apollinian world was a very (for Faustian standards, which are very high) lawless place.
You cannot judge another Culture by your standards. It leads to stupid conclusions. That's why by-and-large Spengler mostly avoided moralism and such.
Shang China, the Middle East during the first Millennium BC, Thinite Egypt, the Uruk/Jemder Nasr periods were also pre-cultures. A pre-culture is not "Tribal ooga Booga freedom". And neither was the migration period-early middle ages, for the record. It was chaotic and confused (just like Russia), but the Germanics had States, the Franks, the Saxons, the Burgundians, the Visigoths, the Lombards. They were as stable as Central-American republics, but they had states.
>>17979992
>wrong by time
So you say.
>Russian novels and classical music has always had some of the most wide appeal.
Always being no earlier than the 19th century, of course. And for the record, the popular works of Russian authors are often popular because they appear as exotic. Dostoyevsky's style enraptured many because it was so strange. Nabokov's stuck-up artiste waffling aside. Tolstoy was just a very good novelist in the western sense.
>Today they are obsessed with 90s pop culture and weeb shit just like everyone else.
Unimportant.
>There is virtually nothing to indicate any kind of cultural or societal accomplishment.
ccomplishment is not the correct word to use here. Given that Dostoyevsky was an accomplished author, and you acknowladge this.
Anonymous No.17980363 >>17980384
>>17980298
>you need soldiers and workers
For a time. For the record I like hispanoids. Large families, loves god and doesn't afraid. The elites are rushing as fast as possible to make workers and 'consumers' irrelevant with AI and robotics (robotics is way harder and plumbers/electricians/construction are insulated for a time). It's our task to see that the bounty AI brings gets shared with everyone and not the self-selected few. We should all advance together. First, second, and third worlds. Amen.
Anonymous No.17980380 >>17980397
>>17980312
sorry but the idea that russia is undergoing somekind of renaissance and golden age is just laughable.
Anonymous No.17980384 >>17980410
>>17980363
fuck Spain. in an ideal world Basques would ethnically cleanse the entire Iberian Peninsula and make Calvinism the official religion.
Anonymous No.17980397 >>17980420
>>17980380
I never said this, though. Just that they were, as of now, the only ones with untapped potential. While 'the West' is nearly spent.
In 'objective' terms, the pre-cultural and spring Epochs are rather shitty. But they are also filled with incredible potential for the future.
Anonymous No.17980410 >>17980416
>>17980384
>Calvinism
Oops, satan reared his ugly head. Anybody who thinks only a tiny fraction gets saved can't play the game of spirituality. Anybody in thrall to mammon can't play (Calvinist wealth=Mammon ethic). Anyone who teaches that everything is predestined can't play, because CHOICE is the deciding factor on the spiritual path. I don't condemn anyone: Calvinist niggas just have to expand their narrow perspective or reroll into another life.
Anonymous No.17980416 >>17980438
>>17980410
you are brown.
Anonymous No.17980420
>>17980397
For example: Medieval Europe was ''''objectively'''' pretty shitty, especially when compared to the Middle Eastern/Islamic world at that time (Gasp!).
But it still had a vastly greater potential than the Middle east.
Anonymous No.17980438 >>17980440
>>17980416
>of english extraction
>someone claims you are brown
>all statements negated
I bow
Anonymous No.17980440 >>17980446
>>17980438
post a picture of your eye with a time stamp.
Anonymous No.17980446 >>17980450
>>17980440
>give biometric data to the Palantir antichrist algorithm
>if you don't you're brown
Anonymous No.17980450 >>17980455
>>17980446
ok, Ranjesh.
Anonymous No.17980455
>>17980450
>ok, Peter
Anonymous No.17980577 >>17980899 >>17980935
>>17979362
That may have been true in Spengler's time, but communism and the post-Cold War collapse aborted the russian soul. where they once were a young, fast-growing colossus, they are now an aids ridden, alcoholic backwards joke of a country that is paying way more than it will ever get out of the poorest country in Europe.

The Russians will be swallowed back into the steppe. There is no future for them; it's over.
Anonymous No.17980839
>>17978175
thanks for the kek anon, read your ramblings with this on

https://youtu.be/lwq7zm5gDb8

you're truly an authority on the faustian spirit
Anonymous No.17980899 >>17980901 >>17981692
>>17980577
Yeah yeah, muh birfraits, HDI, standard of living. Historical illiteracy. You are thinking about this exactly like a civilized man would. In pure terms of quantity, stupidly equating spiritual qualities with 'Muh crime, muh AIDS'. Now, I'm not denying Russia has those problems, but to claim this somehow signifies 'RuSsIa Is dOnE' is stupid. Go ejaculate over a parking meter or something.
Anonymous No.17980901
>>17980899
Btw Ukraine is part of the Russian culture. How they behaved in the war made that pretty apparent. Plus they have a very similar approach when doing national ideologies and such.
Anonymous No.17980935 >>17981551
>>17980577
>The Russians
>back into the steppe
Case of Spenglers retardation. Russians have their origin in forest, not steppe.
Anonymous No.17981551
>>17980935
>Case of Spenglers retardation. Russians have their origin in forest, not steppe.
Yeah, I've always thought that Spengler's "Russia=steppe" schtick was weird. Russians aren't steppeniggers. The core ethnic Russian lands are filled with woods and rolling hills, not steppes.
Anonymous No.17981692 >>17981702 >>17983135 >>17983144 >>17983314
>>17980899
Brother, all the youthful vigour has been spent on futile soviet vanity projects. They have all of the problems and decay of civilisation without any of the original direction that the West has. They were too close to the west, and their western pseudomorphosis killed them like the magians.

worst of all, they jumped straight to world cities without going through the process of culture and civilisation. They live like the last men of the west, worse even.

A large part of Spengler's ideas was that as people got disconnected from the land, they would become sterile and lethargic. Under the soviets, they forced mass urbanisation, which ripped the russian soul out of its soil before it could grow. Look at Russia today. It's wayyyy more degenerate than the West. abortion, aids, falling to drugs, suicide, homosexuality, prostitution, all far more prevalent in Russia than in the West. in the last 2 years the number of ethnic Russians enroling in the first grade has decresed by 25 precent in the last 2 years.

The only people having kids in the russian federation are the various rural minorities still attached to the land. The Russians have largely left the land and smaller cities for Moscow and Saint Petersburg. They like the European last man; they have largely lost the will to persist on the face of the earth, except they are largely non-conscious of this fact.

Just because you are unaware of the afflictions ailing you does not mean that they do not hurt you.

It's over for the russian soul. russian culture had gasoline poured over it by the Communists.
Anonymous No.17981702 >>17982341 >>17983319 >>17983319
>>17981692
To add to this? What great art have the Russians made? There will be none because there is very little to express now
Anonymous No.17982341 >>17983137
>>17981702
You mean since Gommunism? Probably none. Brutalist architecture is a crime against the holy spirit.
Anonymous No.17983135 >>17983149
>>17981692
>russian culture had gasoline poured over it by the Communists.
Communism didn't do as much damage as what came after it, tbeh.

Communism at least was collectivist and had some higher purpose demonstrated in cosmism, but the moment you tell Russians "everyone on his own, pursue individual happiness", shits fucked.
Anonymous No.17983137
>>17982341
>Probably none.
Tarkovski?
Anonymous No.17983144
>>17981692
>The only people having kids in the russian federation are the various rural minorities
I knew a guy, who knew a guy. It's the only way Slavs there will even survive, as hard as rural life can be. But I wish them luck.
Anonymous No.17983149
>>17983135
This, if anything communist was the last hope for the Russian soul.
Anonymous No.17983314
>>17981692
You don't seem to quite understand the concepts you are talking about. Probably because you got them second hand. Russia has no original direction? Technologically, they have already pioneered several new forms of warfare the world is still trying to catch up to (Drones, Hyper-sonic missile technology). Russia and Ukraine have both original political cultures, Russia especially. But that's because it is increasingly cut off from the west. They have their own form of Christianity. And I'm sure Ukraine would also have it, had it been allowed to develop.

Now, as to the Magians, as you may know if you read the book, the Magians still developed handily regardless of Roman interference. A Culture cannot be 'killed' unless it allows itself to or extra-ordinary circumstances appear.
Btw, 'World-Cities' is something that can only occur a few times and Moscow is not it. The World cities would probably be New York, London. Maybe a few more, who knows.

Anyway, it's funny you talk about the Soul and whatever, then proceed to rant about 'degeneracy' like a 95 IQ trad-tard who has never had the misfortune of being immersed in a peasant society. With the exceptions of AIDS and abortion, which didn't exist yet, those are rampant issues anywhere not Civilized. Back in the past, it was Vox Populi that it was far easier to be virtuous in the City than in the Country.
And this fixation on 'Dogenruhsea' also betrays a lack of understanding of Spenglerian concepts. 'Decline' does not mean drug addiction and whatever conservatives in the U.S do not like.
It does not mean that any society not fitting with your idea of a socialist (in the Bismarckian sense, not the common one) paradise is irreversably lost.

As for the Birthrate thing. I don't know what ewill happen. Time will tell, I guess. But everything else you said was stupid.
Anonymous No.17983319
>>17981702
>>17981702
Nothing you know about, clearly. But Doctor Zhivago was a big hit in the west, for all that's worth. To actually answer truthfully you'd probably have to read Russian. And read a lot, for that matter.

I think Rose of the World a pretty interesting book too.
Anonymous No.17983357
>>17975582
agreed.