Thread 17974982

Did men create the institution of marriage in order to rape?

>>17974982 (OP)
Marital rape SHOULD be illegal. Just because a woman agrees to marry you that doesn't mean she has to consent to EVERY sexual encounter with you from that point on.

>>17975018
Why are you trying to change the topic?

No, that is ridiculous, just because historically men have had more power over their brides does not mean rape. Rome had manus, the Pajeets had dowry-based arrangements, etc.

>>17975027
Because the implicit point of this thread is that marital rape is a ridiculous concept when it isn't. The question you asked in the OP isn't actually the point of this thread and you know it.

>>17974982 (OP)
Why would you marry at all as a guy under today’s law system?

>>17975067
1. Your religion tells you premarital sex is sinful
2. Tax benefits (maybe)

>>17974982 (OP)
Men in pre-guns and even today can literally do anything with or without the consent of women, it sounds fucked up but it's true.

right now if men as a collective decided to take away the rights of women everywhere and basically enslave them, that would be done in less than a week, why would men as a collective "create an institution of marriage" to rape women when they can just rape women????

>India

Ofc it's india

Marriage is only about 3,500 years old and in many places only about 2,000 or 2,500 years old. Imagine the 10s of thousands of years we didn't have marriage.

From what I have read at least the first 1,000 or 1,500 years of "marriage" it was meant as a pact between families, in short nobody gave a sh*t what the bride thought.

So if this is only a yes or no answer then the answer is yes it was invented for that.

>>17975281
You are leaving out a key element of human history.

Men define themselves by competition.

Sports teams, business deals, these are just evolutions of tribal warfare and intra-tribal rivalry.

The case you present all men everywhere are forgetting their mothers, forgetting their sisters that they have grown up with for decades forgetting their Aunties and Grandmothers, forgetting the love of their lives and teaming up with men they either are rivals with or barely know to unite against those women.

Always remember the 19th amendment is law because the final state (TN) was locked 50-50 and a telegram from the mother of the representative on the fence decided the fate of the law.

All men are simps, the only choice we have is the degree of simpdom. But we are all simps.

>>17975044
Artifical concept created by Soviets

>>17975044
No, this is a Dworknian thread. Marital rape isn't a ridiculous concept. If anything consensual sex is a ridiculous concept because it's hard to fathom why women would be attracted to men

>>17975044
>implicit point
How focusing on what the thread is actually about?

>>17974982 (OP)
I read a theory on /int/ recently that marriage and sexual morality were invented to benefit men with small penises.
Basically such men are unattractive, so to ensure they have sex they devised this set-up where there is no sex before marriage and no divorce, so that once the woman is married and discovers her husband has a small dick, she is trapped and forced to fuck him and spend her life with him.

>>17975281
>why would men as a collective "create an institution of marriage" to rape women when they can just rape women????
Because just flat out raping women would create anarchy and a breakdown of society?

>>17975044
Marital rape isn't real, roastie.

>>17976316
>being married to an ugly husband and being coerced into having to fuck him totally isn't rape

>>17975316
>All men are simps, the only choice we have is the degree of simpdom. But we are all simps.
Legalization of real actual institutional rape would stop that in its tracks. Reducing women from human beings to property would stop that dead in its tracks.

>>17976270
Not necessarily. Society would just reorder itself because anarchy is unstable. Read up on Hayek regarding spontaneous order and some Aristotle.

>>17976321
Its not just like marrying a fat cow who never bathes. The difference is, men have a stronger need for sex than women do. This doesn't imply that women enjoy it less its just the desire to have sex in of itself is tied to males, and because of this imbalance is why rape exists.

>>17974982 (OP)
Leaders created marriage to make the beta males work harder than what it take to sustain themselves and so the father would live with the mother and the kids.

Now that it is going away, look at what's happening.

>>17976340
What psychologically primes women to act this way?

>>17974982 (OP)
No, feminist retard, marriage exists to consolidate the love between a man and woman (I wouldn’t expect you to know what love is). A rapist is going to rape regardless of whether or not marriage exists.

>>17975316
>but what if men advocated for women
Yes that is why he said “if all men everywhere”. The point is women’s liberty and dignity is SOLELY the result of men.
Women on their own strength would not stand a chance against a men in a collective totalistic struggle.

>>17975298
No that’s stupid. Hunter gatherers have a concept of monogamy even if they lack the institutions to have codified monogamy.
Marriage as a concept and in practice, independent of the state, goes back maybe to pre-humans. It might be older than Mankind.

>>17976685
It's not really feminist, it's just common sense. I don't know how two humans can voluntarily like each other. It's social coercion.

>>17977237
> I don't know how two humans can voluntarily like each other.
I feel sorry for you

>>17977237
This common sense you speak of, did you pull it out of your ass yesterday?

>>17976976
>No that’s stupid
We aren't discussing monogamy here, we are discussing marriage as a practise

>>17976323
Men were even bigger simps back when the notion of marital rape being a prosecutable offense was unthinkable. When we considered women property of their husbands you saw the greatest outpouring of simpitude from the general population. Sociopaths doing the sigma thing has broken the hold of simpdom only recently and that is just another form of simpdom anyway, you just resent them for what they give you like a spoiled child.

>>17977237
>I don't know how two humans can voluntarily like each other
Ask the qt tomboy skater girl who wheeled on me and demanded to know why I hadnt kissed her yet in a snowy alley. Or the girl who came up to me at the convention in full Black Cat getup and asked me for my number with zero prompting. Maybe if you weren't such an emotionally dead freak you'd understand that humans are a social species and girls in general appreciate a guy who smiles and doesn't think they're just holes with extra bits.

>>17977388
>Ask the qt tomboy skater girl who wheeled on me and demanded to know why I hadnt kissed her yet in a snowy alley. Or the girl who came up to me at the convention in full Black Cat getup and asked me for my number with zero prompting.
Such things don't happen

>>17977388
>humans are a social species

>>17977390
Wrong

>>17977398
t. Twelve year old who thinks this is deep

>>17977390
To you maybe. I'm a dead broke double dropout and still get cuties chasing me around the block.

>>17977405
Humans aren't a social species. Wherever you go everybody is staring at phones and if you try to approach you look rapey. If you smile you look rapey with a smile.

>>17976336
>Society would just reorder itself because anarchy is unstable.
Reorder itself via marriage? Well yes, that's the point

>>17977413
>Humans aren't a social species.
Factually incorrect
>Wherever you go everybody is staring at phones
Maybe in your shithole subway, yeah. Go to a decent bar and reach out, people will chat. Even people on their phones. I bitched about phones once to my more introverted friend and he told me "its not a wall, its an invitation, it lets you know I'm available"
>if you try to approach you look rapey.
Dont do it in a rapey manner then, retard.
>If you smile you look rapey with a smile.
I too can imagine the worst possible outcome with every single interaction. Doesn't mean its true.

>>17977421
I can't believe people like you exist
>Dude just force a woman into sex with her consent, it's so easy bro

>>17977425
>I can't believe people like you exist
Are you just mad that qts want my BWC and rightly estimate that you have some congenial defect?
>>Dude just force a woman into sex with her consent, it's so easy bro
I don't have to force anything on anyone. Girls want to fuck me. Sometimes I wanna fuck them (I prefer cuddling and snuggling desu). I walk up and say hello and chat with them about something. I ask how their day was, we play some cards or pool, then we kiss. Or we don't and next time I see them, we smile and hug because now they're something like a friend. Eventually they ask for a number or I do and boom, social connections. I'm crazy shy and kind of retarded and can't afford to buy them a beer or a slice of pizza but still girls like me because I'm not some pussyhound thats only interested in the social dance until I can awkwardly shove a half hard cock into their wet hole like I'm trying to spear a fish. Girls are begging for a sweet guy with a nice cock and some fire in his eyes, and if you can't step up to that, then I'll keep doing it for you. Thanks in advance for keeping my dating pool dynamic by removing yourself from the equation.

>>17977441
How do you interpret the act of the coitus if not as male aggression? You have to continually manipulate the human female into giving up her psychological defenses ("flirting"), it's basically akin to war and conquering of territory.

>>17976976
There is evidence that tribes 2,000-3,000 years ago could not know which man impregnated which woman. The tribe did for the tribe. There is scant evidence of multi-decades long monogamy 2,000 years ago.

>>17976323
But that's the point, again the human condition is the history.

You're human condition is taking care of your mother, being kind to your sister, protecting your daughter, doing something great for your wife (or 2,000-3,000 years ago the woman you lusted for).

This whole thing where you can get thousands of men to basically enslave and rule over their Auntie, Mother, sister etc. goes against human and tribal psychology.

Take the institution of slavery most slave masters did slavery to benefit their mother, sister, daughter etc.

You are asking to change the human pysche.

>>17977455
>How do you interpret the act of the coitus if not as male aggression?
If someone gives you a cupcake, do you eat it or just stare at them like they've grown a second head? If you're polite, you eat it. If youre stoned like me, you eat it and ask if they have more lol.
>You have to continually manipulate the human female into giving up her psychological defenses ("flirting")
I really don't. Girls and men for that matter don't generally throw up a lot of walls when they are going out for the explicit purpose of meeting people and having fun. I don't flirt, its why skater qt had to outright demand to be kissed before it even clicked in my head that she liked me. Frankly anon you have a shitty attitude and a bleak outlook on things, I wouldn't fuck you either.
>it's basically akin to war and conquering of territory.
Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence. Supreme excellence consists of defeating the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

Why are people larping as lovehavers itt?
>yeah dude I have a girlfriend and I browse 4chan, that's such a realistic premise

>>17977491
I know a dude who's married and is fucking two chicks on the side, and he's even more of a channer than I am. Just because you're weak doesn't mean everyone else here is too

/r9k/-tier thread.

>>17977498
>I know a dude who's married and is fucking two chicks on the side
This guy is a bourgeois parasite who better watch out for the Incelshevik Revolution

>>17977525
He's an anarchist that makes 110 an hour. Hes gonna get shot when the system comes undone and I've told him as much lol
I hope not, he's a pretty cool guy most of the time.

>>17974982 (OP)
Marriage was created to pass on private property. Thats it.

>>17975018
>Just because your husband agrees yo marry you doesn't mean he agrees to not fuck whores and concubines on the side
Of course forcing yourself on your wife is wrong, but a married woman should never reject a husbands sexual advances unless she has a good reason to.