Thread 17975085

It's hard to argue that a population who is closer genetically to britbongos than to terroni is actually southern european.
also I've noticed that most terronis internet chuds dislike spaniards because they're not J2 churka rapebabies eastern kangz like them or the greekjeets but on the other hand they get upset when you point out that spaniards are closer to northern euros than to them probably because it remind them of how mongrelized they are

>>17975085 (OP)
Genetic distance is the worst way to try and lump a group, Iberians are med because 75% of their dna is med, they also have alot of African which the bongs lack, they only show artificial closeness due to being descended on the male side by people who were bong (Celtic) like because they were rape babies

I thought you were done with this stupid trolling? Boring

>>17975085 (OP)
Atlantomediterranean.

Portugal, Galicia, Asturias, Euskalerria and North Castile are Atlantic.
Catalonia, Valencia, Aragon, South Castile are Mediterranean.

The division was stablished by Celts/Iberians division during Iron Age.

>>17975112
All wrong.
>75% of their dna is med
made up random number
>they also have alot of African which the bongs lack
0 to 5% is not a lot
>they only show artificial closeness due to being descended on the male side by people who were bong (Celtic) like because they were rape babies
Holy cope the celts were spanish like, southern french like at most, multiple genetic papers prove it
>>17975113
why are you talking to me like you know who I am and I'm supposed to know who you are?
>>17975117
Catalan and Aragonese are still closer to britbongos than to terroni
and don't get me wrong i hate britbongos but facts are facts

>>17975134
Inferiority complex the post

>>17975085 (OP)
Maybe when the moorish BBC arrived from Arabia o algo. They blacked the entire area or something.

>>17975134
Genes are not culture anon!
The truth is that a village in Valencia is more akin than some village in Palermo, Catania or Sardinia than to a village in Paris!
And a village in Galicia or Basque Country looks more similar than to a village in Bongland than to a village in Naples!

>>17975138
to who? I'm not even spanish lol
and i've said nothing wrong.
>>17975150
Latin America is even more like Spain than naples is, see where this argument is leading us

>>17975138
He's not an actual Spaniard, he's some mentally ill Flemish loser trying to bait southern euros into fighting

>>17975150
Yep this. This is why haploautism is complete idiocy to me. You can have people with the same haplo composition but living in radically different cultures and geography and they will develop in radically different ways and be completely different people, those idiots think backwards that the haplogroup composition is the main determinant, it's like culture and environment do not exist for those fools

>>17975192
This isn't about Haplogroups
>>17975176
Medjeets have fallen. A long time ago.

>>17975203
Get some new material

>>17975085 (OP)
are italians med? why would they be med logically besides the fact that they live in the mediterranean sea? there's really no mediterranean genetic cluster, that's the actual answer

>>17975085 (OP)
northern french hands typed this

>>17975220
Ok. Any suggestions?

>>17975085 (OP)
iberomgermanic (aka french larper), italians on twitter don't hate iberians, cease your crusade, iBerberiann is not italian

>>17975113
ibertogermanic restarted his anti-italian troll crusade because he thinks iBerberiann is italian, but he's obviously not

>>17975244
I know he's not Italian, he's probably french or a moor (hardly any difference now). Btw did you know that he was spamming Augusto's DM with anti italian post made by (allegedly) Iberians to try to turn him against Iberians? But no succes so far.

>>17975246
Btw what's your @? I've been asking for a while now.
I'm sure we've interacted before.

Western and Southern Spain is. Eastern Spain is more like French except Murcia

>>17975253
those anti-italian posts were made by him probably

>>17975257
i only use twitter to read posts, i don't interact with anyone

>>17975085 (OP)
They are mostly ANF and evolved in the desert. Iberia is a desert unlike most of Europe. They adapted to the desert climate and heat.

>>17975085 (OP)
They are negroes. Negroid admixture makes Iberians brown.

>>17975328
But indeed, they are not Meds phenotypically. The Spanegro phenotype is outside of the Med range.

>>17975352
>>17975328
Greekjeet vs Iberogermanic episode 999999

This board needs better moderation

>>17975352
this is a fake chart from a forum
>>17975364
the "greekjeet" is likely not greek

>>17975370
It's not hard to believe that Balkaners are more Med than Moorberians when Italians and Greeks are closer to Bulgarians than to Moorberians. The Med phenotype is an unique mixture of ANF and Iran_N with low WHG.

>>17975387
that map is fake, you are not italian

>>17975176
He's not a Spajeet or Flemish. It's a latinx tranny.

They're med-celt muttoids with a dash of germnigger

Spaniards from Andalusia look like Terroni Italians, Spaniards from Asturias look like Anglos.

>>17975581
Iberians are Iberian Neolithic with a dash of African and Bell Beaker.

There is a dash of South Asian sometimes but not too big. My Iberian relatives get small South Asian.

>>17975085 (OP)
Show your distance to niggers in relation to North Euros now

>>17975915
Kek

>>17975915
OP is a latinx mestizo troon raped by Spajeets, not an actual Spajeet.

>>17975618
Iberians get most of their ancestry from bell beakers
>>17975915
Pointless when the distances are this large

>>17976081
It's not. African ancestry is the ultimate form of non-whiteness. It's the reason Natufians were brown compared to ANF and why AFRO-Semitic is a thing. Andalusians, Moortuguese and Northwestern Spaniards are closer to niggers than most South Italians.

>>17976101
Extremadura is visigoth idiot

>>17976101
Anatolian is worse than berber

>>17976101
you are a non italian larper, and sicilians are slightly closer to africa compared to iberians (yes, sicilians are one of the two major southern italian identities, not that a non italian like you would know)

>>17976110
Sicilians are also Moor rapebabies with negroid admixture.

>>17976120
and this is something a southern italian wouldn't say, there's no southern italy without sicily, it's like excluding lombards from north italianess
where are you from? you post under an american flag right?

>>17976101
You altered the colors to make it seem closer than it really is haha

>>17976123
Literally the reason why Sicilians were treading the line between white and non-white in the USA was getting conquered by Moors for a few hundred years. They didn't bring as much attention to other South Italians in general.

>>17976157
you are completely schizofrenic, no american made any distinction whatsoever between sicilians and other south italian migrants
sicilians and apulians or campanians look the exact same, no difference

where are you from? why do you not answer this?

>>17976163
They did. The lady who was allowed to marry a negro was Sicilian, on the basis that Sicilians were non-white due to one drop rule.

Also, wrong pic.

>>17976157
>he thinks a calabrian would feel closer to a "crimean greek" than to a sicilian
lmao you are seriously retarded, this larp has gone too far

>>17976169
I posted the wrong pic. Calafricans have groid/Taforalt admixture too btw.

>>17976168
>They did.
no, they didn't, all south italians were considered the same in america
there's no difference in appearance between sicilians and mainland south italians, there's no sense of separation between south italians and sicilians, an even more made up online rivalry than italy vs iberia

where are you from, it's not italy that's for sure, don't forget to answer this question in your next reply

>>17976172
>he thinks a campanian feels closer to a crimean greek than to a calabrian
rofl, just throw all south italians out of the window already

>>17976101
yes, south italians are black people

>>17976191
74 distance is fucking huge loser

>>17976174
>In the case of Rollins v. Alabama (1922), for instance, an Alabama Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the conviction of one Jim Rollins, a black man convicted of the crime of miscegenation, on the grounds that the state had produced "no competent evidence to show that the woman in question, Edith Labue, was a white woman." Labue was a Sicilian immigrant, a fact that, this court held, "can in no sense be taken as conclusive that she was therefore a white woman, or that she was not a negro or a descendant of a negro."
Specifically mentioned Sicilian and not just Italian.

>>17976191
Calafricans speak the same dialect as Sicilians and were also ruled by Moors.

>>17976209
that doesn't mean anything, they're not separating sicilians from south italians, that are the same exact thing and were treated in the same way and treated each other in the same way

and where are you from? why are you not addressing this? this is very very suspicious

>>17976209
>Calafricans speak the same dialect as Sicilians
Most don't, you don't seem to know much about the region. Do you seriously think campanians hate calabrians?

>>17976214
It mentions Sicily only in the court documents, not Italy as a whole. It was obviously because of the one drop rule and the fact that the Moors ruled Sicily for 300 years.

>>17976209
other south italians seem to be more african than most spaniards

>>17976229
it doesn't matter, it doesn't separate sicily from southern italy, it just calls a sicilian a sicilian, it doesn't say "but we shall remember that this is not a south italian but a sicilian", south italians were treated like sicilians in america, they were literally considered the same thing, this is not deniable in any way
and asked you a question, where are you from?

>>17976237
They suspected her of having negro blood because Sicily was conquered by Moors. The point is that AFRICAN ancestry is what actually makes you non-white. Most Iberians are 1-3% SSA, so they are not white.

>>17976263
they simply called a sicilian a sicilian, nowhere it says that they would treat another south italian differently and in fact they didn't, they were factually considered the same thing
>The point is that AFRICAN ancestry is what actually makes you non-white.
sicilians and other south italians look IDENTICAL, why are you not addressing this?
where are you from, are you retarded? do you think it's looking good for you when you avoid this question?

>>17976232
Yorubans are closer to campanians than to murcians

>>17976307
They have 1% IBM, It starts to resemble nigger at above 2%. You can just pretend Natufian doesn't exist like this, because it's just ANF mixed with IBM (Notice how Jews pick up a fair amount as well).

>>17975085 (OP)
Native Spaniards heavily mixed with Moors during Moorish rule, then got replaced/expelled by northern settlers during the Reconquista

>be flemish faggot
>spam the board with le heckin nordic hellenes and romans
>get BTFO by genetics
>proceed to spam bait italians and spaniards into hating one another
>not even mentally ill 4channers fall for it
Meanwhile I'm going to the seaside later and enjoy our Mediterranean paradise with my Spanish friends

>>17976367
Natufian is Saudi type ancestry

Ok analyze my dad's. Any takers?

>>17976367
My dad gets 5.4 IBM when Natufian or Levant is taken away. He gets 3 normally on tests. Having some IBM doesn't make you "nonwhite"

>>17976391
sicilian? Your dad looks more jewish than normal italian, common among sicilians

>>17976367
You got it all wrong. ANF were a mix of WHG (Abo) + ANE (mongoloid) and Natufian.

>>17976209
Calabrians don't speak the same dialect as Sicilians and were never ruled by moors, they managed to capture a few towns for a bit but that was it. They never ruled over the whole region like in Sicily

Also the people who lost Spain to the moors were the weak treacherous visigoths who even invited them on the island because of succession dynastic squabbles, nordoids were cucks then and cucks now

>>17975915
This is OP replying to himself to make Spaniards and Italians fight. What a pathetic waste of a "life"

>>17976263
>Most Iberians are 1-3% SSA, so they are not white.
Then Swedish are not white either.

People don´t get how BASAL dna works. All humans came out of Africa and the most homogenous group of people (for example Iberians) keep that ancient DNA better.

>>17976367
Campanians are negros , they have some middle eastern ancestry , this makes them blacker than murcians

>>17976391
Maybe Western Sicilian? Elevated Steppe+WHG, low ANF, high Natufian, no CHG suggests this. Also, the distance is decent but could be better, did you try it with Iberomaurusian? I believe the Natufian might be inflated due to IBM being a stronger signal in a similar direction, it might improve the fit if that is the case

>>17976519
Calabria is a weird place. Some of them are very Balkan shifted and have Balkan ancestry. Others Greek/Anatolian shifted. There are also some families of Marrano origins. Any WANA there is not from Moors but more from Byzantines/Anatolian Greeks and in some cases Marranos from the Spanish inquisition.

>>17976519
>>17977201
It's the Sicilian speaking parts of Calabria that are African-shifted. They do speak Sicilian, retard. But there's also a part that doesn't and they're significantly less African. Italy has the same West- East discrepancy in African ancestry like Iberia does.

>>17977233
>It's the Sicilian speaking parts of Calabria that are African-shifted.
made up
where are you from?

>>17977233
The divide in Italy is North/South more than East/West. Double digit Natufian happens in Sicily and sometimes Calabria but not much in Abruzzo or Basilicata even though they're South too.

>>17977252
Natufian isn't real. It's just SSA/Taforalt.

>>17977269
Schizo

>>17977305
No. Natufian in most of Europe can be safely dismissed as noise/IBM/SSA creating a similar mixture. The distance barely changes when you use IBM instead of it and Sicilians obviously have IBM.

>>17977393
>source: none

>>17977396
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11009077/table/T1/
Saudis are only 30% Natufian in reality yet the outdated G25 software makes them 70%. Most studies also don't use Natufian at all to model any kind of Europeans.

>>17977472
saudis are not italian, you didn't prove anything, i don't accept your extrapolation of data and application to said data in another context

>>17977481
The study about Rome uses Taforalt instead of Natufian.

>>17977485
Attempting the same thing with G25.

>>17977485
>The study about Rome uses Taforalt instead of Natufian.
irrelevant, you're unable to post things that actually support any of your claims, you pretend others extrapolate the same made up conclusions like you did, this is not how proving something works in general

>>17977545
>Daniel Shriner (2018), using modern populations as a reference, found 28% autosomal African ancestry in Natufian samples, with 21.2% related to North Africa and 6.8% related to Omotic-speaking populations in southern Ethiopia, which reveals a plausible source for haplogroup E in Natufians; still according to Shriner, the Natufian samples had 61.2% ancestry related to Arabs and 10.8% ancestry related to West Asians
This is why it can be confused for African admixture. Sicilians don't have a ton of Natufian like G25 garbage leads you to believe. They have a small amount of Taforalt instead.

>>17977568
that quote doesn't mention sicilians and therefore doesn't support your claim, don't waste my time

>>17977536
Without Natufian my dad scores 5.4 IBM.

>>17977577
>I'm a latinx tranny that purposely acts retarded and can't interpret data on my own therefore you're wrong

>>17977536
Can you give me the coords for all those?
like Iran C Seh Gabi ect?

>>17977584
It's available under "ancient individuals/averages": https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

>>17977583
no, your interpretations are your own, you are not italian btw, who are you and where are you from? will you pretend this question doesn't exist again?

>>17977536
Ok this is my dad under this calc

>>17976678
Campanians are actually the most northern shifted Southern Italians according to peer reviewed studies with thousands of samples. G25 meme has like 12 samples from 3 families from Salerno.

I posted this on Anthrogenica back in 2019 and Polanski was babbling and some dude just defended it with this argument.

I know that you are Michael Piccione, You are again LARPing as a "North Italian" defending "Iberians"or some shit. Your transexual photo is still floating around.

>>17977601
Why should I tell you when you're dishonest about your ethnicity/nationality?

>>17977618
i'm not, where are you from? say it once and for all so we end this charade, you're very obviously not the south italian you pretend to be

>>17977615
north italians and iberians are shitskins, why would i defend them? campanians are blacker than the murcians, and since murcians are black so are campanians

>>17977615
This shows that most Calabrians are Siciloids as I previously claimed. Genes mirror language most of the time. North Italians are more French-like in comparison to Southerners because they speak GALLO-Italic.

>>17977690
not how it works, now... where are you from? why do you larp as south italian?

>>17977615
>ampanians are actually the most northern shifted Southern Italians according to peer reviewed studies with thousands of samples.
no, abruzzese and molisians and apulans are, the map on the right is not from any peer reviewed study, apulians are fully SItaly3 while campanians have a bit of Sitaly1
>uh, yeah these other south italians almost identical to me are totally subhuman trash, another species basically
not what a south italian would say, no campanian thinks calabrians are some foreign subhumans, they're the same thing basically, the Sitaly clusters are extremely close to each other

>>17977696
Sicily and some parts of Calabria form what is called the "deep south". This isn't the same as Abruzzo, Basilicata, or Molise.

>>17977718
Even on your map Sicily and Calabria are distinct and mostly yellow.

>>17977720
basilicata and most of campania is "deep south", where are you from? why do you larp as south italian? let's end this farce, reveal your ethnicity

>>17977615
No, Northern Apulians and Abruzzesi are, Greekjeet

>>17977690
There are Gallo Italic speaking villages in Sicily and Basilicata, Sicily was filled with colonists from Northern Italy and Southern France

>>17977723
they're extremely proximate clusters, look at the pca on the left, what is your argument here? do you think campanians of all people go around telling people about the subhumanity and foreigness of calabrians?
i'll be blunt here, there's no difference between the two, there's no sense of ethnic animosity between the two, both think they're the same ethnicity and all non south italians think the same of them
you're trying to fabricate the most ridiculous rivalry ever

>>17977723
You can put a bunch of Italians from any region including northern regions in a room and you will be hard pressed to say who is who and from what region, let alone between just southern Italians lol. There's literally no way you are going to pin point calabrians from campanians or apulians

>>17977724
No, deep South is Sicily and Calabria only. Campania is South but not "deep South". Nobody there speaks the Sicilian dialect.

>>17977898
deep south isn't an official thing, basilicata is often called deep south, now state your ethnicity

>>17977922
Given how obsessed with Sicily he is he's probably an amerishart, either that or the flemish troll

>>17977922
>>17977945
Sicilians and Calabrians are characterized by an African component that most of South Italy doesn't have. The study shows the same thing I was claiming before. There's no Natufian in Europe. Any excess Natufian is just African.

>>17978096
sicilians and calabrians are almost identical to other south italians, where are you from?

>>17978102
That's not the point. You can't claim S. Italians are half-Levantine anymore because their Natufian levels are negligible and gets confused for African admixture in G25 (the same thing Spajeets/Moortuguese have).

>>17978111
They aren't but when I take out the Natufian and take out Iran N my dad gets a ridiculous amount of Ibm. See picrel

>>17978111
shut the fuck up you mentally disabled homo that will never be italian, south italians and sicilians are literally 99% identical to each other, stop changing argument i never even mentioned the fucking natufians
and why are you not answering my question, what is your ethnicity?

>>17977608
So analyze this result anyone?

>>17978130
germanic, your father was a germanic man

>>17978127
There's IBM in Sicily and Calabria. Nowhere else in Italy.

>>17978124
As you can see, without Natufian and without Iran N my dad scores around 7 IBM.

>>17978111
Okay so on this my dad gets 7 IBM when Iran and Natufian/Levant sources are taken out.

>>17978130
I still stand by my original estimation, Western Sicily
>>17978096
Levantine admixture certainly exists in parts of Europe (such as (South) Italy), but it is quite limited. Yes, G25 can combine or, conversely, break down components into similar ones, however South Italians generally get better fits if Natufian is included, rather than just IBM. It's the same with CHG vs Iran, EHG vs ANE vs (West) Siberian vs Yamnaya and so on

>>17978151
IBM is just a mixture of Natufian (70%) and SSA (30%). It's not a real component.

>>17978301
IBM are the original North Africans

>>17978302
The original North Africans were ANA who were were basically identical to Shum Laka pygmies.

>>17978307
Pygmies never lived in North Africa

>>17977945
It's not me and yes the "Greekjeet" has an american flag on /int/

>>17978280
>however South Italians generally get better fits if Natufian is included
The distance barely changes and most recent studies don't use Natufian at all when modeling Europeans. An African-like source is sufficient. Natufians were African mutts, hence why ANF + Taforalt/SSA resembles them: >>17977393
Natufian is Dzudzuana/ANF + IBM/SSA. It explains why AFRO-Asiatic is a thing.

These kind of threads are always so gay.

>>17978280
>Levantine admixture certainly exists in parts of Europe
It is ubiqutuous. Europe, like the rest of West Eurasia, is essentially a mixture of two distinct components: Levant_HG, representing the true West Eurasians carrying haplogroup DE, and Tianyuan, representing East Eurasian migrants carrying haplogroup CT, which was introduced through ANE. Here’s a quick breakdown of the populations of West Eurasia:

Natufian 100% Levant_HG
AHG is 90% Levant_HG 10% Tianyuan.
CHG is 60% Levant_HG 40% Tianyuan.
Iran_HG is 50% Levant_HG 50% Tianyuan.
WHG is 40% Levant_HG 60% Tianyuan.
Europeans are 35% Levant_HG 65% Tianyuan.
EHG is 10% Levant_HG 90% Tianyuan.
ANE 100% Tianyuan.

>>17978404
The term you're looking for is "Basal Eurasian" and no, Natufians have less Basal than ANF and ancient Iranians. They're African mutts: >>17978381

>>17978411
No Natufians are a pure Eurasian population. They did colonize Africa creating IBM tho.

As a I explained above, ANF have been proven by genetics to be part chink hence they carry Tianyuan-derived (CF) male haplogroups such as R, N, and so on.

>>17978411
No Natufians are a pure Eurasian population. They did colonize Africa creating IBM in the process tho.

As a I explained above, ANF and co. have been proven by genetics to be part chink hence they carry Tianyuan-derived (CF) male haplogroups such as R, N, and so on.

What people don´t seem to see is that DNA companies CAN´T differenciate admixture from population movements.

All that iberomaurisian, natufian, "northafrican", etc, in southern euros could be 2 options:

1. That there was admixture between both groups in Europe. Upwards movement from northafrica.
2. That it was common ancient shared DNA. Downwards movements from southern Europe to northafrica and DNA companies label the ancient European DNA that moved to northafrica as "natufian, iberomaurisian or northafrican" and that is why southern euros get this 3% northafrican (when in reality it is ancient neolithic southern euro DNA that crossed to northafrica and now it is labeled as "northafrican").

Haven´t people thought about this??

>>17978426
No evidence. IBM predates Natufians by more than 10k years.
>Iosif Lazaridis et al. (2018) also argued that an Iberomaurusian/Taforalt-like population contributed to the genetic composition of Natufians "and not the other way around", and that this Iberomaurusian/Taforalt lineage also contributed around 13% ancestry to modern West Africans "rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source". Fregel (2021) summarized: "More evidence will be needed to determine the specific origin of the North African Upper Paleolithic populations."[14][15] Later, Iosif Lazardis documented that the Natufians had a total of 9.1% non-West Eurasian ancestry, and the explanation by the geneticist was because of their partial descent from the Paleolithic Iberomaurusians, whose contributions were estimated at 22% in Natufians. In fact in Taforalt from Morocco, a total of 41.4% non-West Eurasian ancestry is present.

>>17978440
IBM is part negroid so it can't be originally from Southern Europe.

>>17978447
There were NEVER black people (not even small numbers) in southern Europe in all history.

A few thousands in certain areas can´t change the DNA of millions of people. If the emigration was so massive it would have appeared in historic books but it did not. There is zero african (north or south) material culture in southern Europe.

I would like to see those IBM studies done at the same time for all european populations with the same methods. They just focus in southern Europe searching for what they want to find. If they did the same methodology all across Europe the % of ""negroid"" would appear in all European groups as you can see here:
https://i.4cdn.org/his/1757074405083113.jpg


And IBM just means that a certain population is the related (in 1 direction or other) with populations from Africa (north or south). It does not mean admixture either

>>17978483
>There were NEVER black people (not even small numbers) in southern Europe in all history.
Now it turns out the post-15th century era is no longer part of history, but rather post-history.
>Crossing the data of two official studies,[1][failed verification][2] there are at least 1,029,944 Afro-Spaniards, of whom a 47% were born in Spain and a 71% are Spanish nationals.[3]
>Immigrants from West, East and North Africa officially residing in Italy in 2015 numbered about 1,000,000 residents.
Sauce: Wikipizzle

>>17975112
>they also have alot of African which the bongs lack
No they don't, retarded idiot acting in bad faith.

>>17975328

Fool.>>17976622

>>17978139
it's like 1%, what is your ethnicity?

>>17978497
>Crossing the data of two official studies,[1][failed verification][2] there are at least 1,029,944 Afro-Spaniards, of whom a 47% were born in Spain and a 71% are Spanish nationals
>>17978504


I don´t know if you are just retarded or retarded+manipulative: what you wrote is speaking about the invasion of nafris and africans in the last 20 years in Spain:

"Even though no official census data include racial or ethnic self-identification in Spain, some attempts have been made to quantify the number of Afro-Spaniards. Crossing the data of two official studies,[1][failed verification][2] there are at least 1,029,944 Afro-Spaniards, of whom a 47% were born in Spain and a 71% are Spanish nationals.[3]

There are currently 1,301,296 Spanish residents who were born in countries in the African continent, excluding the 1,802,810 born in Ceuta, Melilla, and the Canary Islands, which are Spanish provinces, and, in the case of Ceuta and Melilla, autonomous cities geographically located in Africa.

Out of these, 294,343 are Spanish citizens and 1,006,953 are foreign residents. The large majority of these originate in Morocco. There are 934,046 Moroccan born residents in Spain of which 223,590 are Spaniards and 710,457 are foreign residents"

There are 8 million africans just in France today.
NOTHING TO DO with DNA studies from 500-1000 years ago.

>>17978445
Plenty of them actually.

>A two-way admixture model, comprising Natufian and a sub-Saharan African population, does not significantly deviate from our data (χ2 p ≥ 0.128) with 63.5% Natufian and 36.5% sub-Saharan African ancestry on average (table S8). Adding Paleolithic European lineages as a third source only marginally increased the model fit (χ2 p = 0.019 to 0.128; table S9). Consistently, using qpGraph (21) we find that a mixture of Natufian and Yoruba reasonably fits the Taforalt gene pool (|Z| ≤ 3.7; fig. S19 and table S10).
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aar8380

The final red pill is realizing that modern Spaniards are the descendants of white supremacist colonialists who conquered, genocided and expelled the native multicultural mixed Iberian-moorish-roman/syrian/levant-adjacent multitudes.

>>17976622
Swedish Subsaharan admixture: 0.55
Andalucian Subsaharan admixture: 0.57

Enough said.

>>17978381
>most recent studies don't use Natufian at all when modeling Europeans
Because it is a minor element for most of Europe and because of the limitations of the software when using a large number of source populations. The relationship between Natufian, Iberomaurusian, Ancient North African, Basal Eurasian, West Eurasian and Sub-Saharan African is still debated, I still haven't seen some convincing-definitive answer as to how these groups were formed and which way the admixture went. However, this is not relevant when discussing Neolithic and post-Neolithic admixture in Europe; contact with the Levant (and even more so with nearby Anatolia) was more widespread than contact with North Africa (which was essentially limited to parts of Southwestern Europe, with very few exceptions (i.e. Roman soldiers elsewhere)
>>17978404
Describing all ~West Eurasian populations as a mix between Levant HG (I guess a stand-in for Bsal Eurasian?) and Tianyuan (stand-in for Crown Eurasian?) seems very simplistic/reductive, generally there's at the very least a distinction between WHG and Tianyuan making it a three-way admixture (and I'm pretty sure Levant_HG and TIanyuan are derived rather than ancestral).

>>17978483
Nobody in Europe gets IBM except for places invaded by the Moors. Nobody in Lazio is getting it. Nobody in Bulgaria is getting it.

>>17979287
Man you are a stupid nigger.

>>17979451
Show me this IBM outside of Iberia, Sicily, and Calabria. Nowhere to be found.

>>17979287
I think it correlates more with Punic areas (which are mainly the same + Sardinia).

>>17979492
Show us the source of the study with that IBM and what methodology they used and what countries they used.

Maybe the study was about: "African ancestry in southern Europe" and they just chose 20 people with already mixed race looks and used them to conclude about the whole country. And they did not text other countries like France, Germany, Sweden with the SAME methodology.

Post the source of the study about IBM instead of maps.

>>17980681
its all like this... Studies with a sample of 30 niggers from Lisbon or main cities where nigger admixture is rampant and then extrapolate for the entire country

>>17976101
you are such a retard its funny
0.74 distance is massive
even fucking sardinians are more distant to Yoruba than the muh most white bongs
KYS