Thread 17976517

>Lies about knowing Hebrew to get a job translating the Bible
>Cuts ties with his best friend and calls him Satanic the moment he says something he doesn’t like
>Convinces a woman to starve herself to death
>complains to the mother that she is making him look bad because she’s crying about her dead daughter
>Says he could have also been Pope if she didn’t do it
>Runs away from Rome because everybody hates him
>Begs wealthy aristocrats for money despite it being illegal and being wealthy himself
>Has nightmares about reading Cicero
>Write a fictional Saints life to make his personal favourite sound cooler than Saint Antony
>Turns on his best friend of many years over a polite disagreement he with him over the use of candles in mass
Why was Jerome a Saint again?

>>17976517 (OP)
He's literally me fr

Enjoy the flames, sinner.

Being a Saint doesn't make you perfect. The Vulgate is one of the greatest translations ever and was the standard for literal centuries.

>>17977529
>Being a Saint doesn't make you perfect
No, but saints are also expected to be head and shoulders above the average man. That Jerome is one after all the messed up things he did shows that the standards are pretty low here. Then again, this is a religion whose main god doesn't give a shit about puny mortals view of justice, so I guess OP will burn in hell for questioning Yahweh's retarded- benevolent providence

>>17976517 (OP)
yeah they were either incel nerds or completely fabricated, just realized this?

>>17976517 (OP)
Condemning a saint is a great offense. Lying about one is actually insane.

>[FALSE] Lies about knowing Hebrew to get a job translating the Bible
Jerome studied Hebrew in multiple places including under actual Jews in actual Bethlehem.
>[EXAGGERATED] Cuts ties with his best friend and calls him Satanic the moment he says something he doesn’t like
The thing being a heresy lol
>[EXAGGERATED] Convinces a woman to starve herself to death
He wasn't convincing her, he broadly advocated asceticism and she took it too far. When he reaches out to the woman's mother it is precisely to discourage starving.
>[FALSE] complains to the mother that she is making him look bad because she’s crying about her dead daughter
His looks were not the concern.
>[FALSE] Says he could have also been Pope if she didn’t do it
Fabricated entirely.
>[MILDLY EXAGGERATED] Runs away from Rome because everybody hates him
Lol
>[FALSE] Begs wealthy aristocrats for money despite it being illegal and being wealthy himself
It was not illegal and he did not live as a wealthy man.
>[TRUE] Has nightmares about reading Cicero
Lol
>[EXAGGERATED] Write a fictional Saints life to make his personal favourite sound cooler than Saint Antony
Oh no a saint's headline competed with another noooo
>[UNCLEAR] Turns on his best friend of many years over a polite disagreement he with him over the use of candles in mass
Who would this "best friend of many years" be? Surely not the Vigilantius, who was an acquaintance at best?

>>17977541
>saints are also expected to be head and shoulders above the average man
They are expected to have repented. You just usually hear of the ones that were indeed above the average man because those are the ones from whom you can learn the most. But you could just as well find a saint who organized a massacre before finding Christ.
Be that as it may, most of OP is bs so whatever you find so objectionable about benevolent grace isn't even necessarily relevant here.

>>17977563
>They are expected to have repented.
By that metric, anyone can be a saint. There's a point where you shouldn't be considered a saint, at most a beatified person. You might be forgiven in Yahweh's eyes, but your fellow men won't, and shouldn't, exalt you to that point
>grace
Apart that its basically a lottery where El picks someone at random, and then tells usto be fair and just, I don't have any objections. Hell, I would do the same, minus maybe making others follow an example that doesn't exist

>>17976517 (OP)
>Why was Jerome a Saint again?
He's not. He's burning in Hell right now. Such is the fate of all TRVD FVGS.

>>17977563
>Jerome studied Hebrew in multiple places including under actual Jews in actual Bethlehem.
Jerome's skill in Hebrew is downright terrible. He was incapable of figuring out etymology and got it wrong, he was not skilled enough to translate anything.
>The thing being a heresy lol
Falling for Jerome lying. The issue was that Jerome disagreed with not heresy, but the opinion that Origen should be studied
>he broadly advocated asceticism and she took it too far
In the most generous interpretation, Jerome was an idiot who told an already weak woman to starve herself.
>His looks were not the concern.
They very much were. In letter 39 he tells Paula to stop crying about her dead daughter (who he is largely responsible for) and sockpuppets her in the letter to tell her to stop making public appearances and weeping. Everybody knew this was Jerome's fault and Jerome writes for her to stop so that enemies of the faith can't attack her, half the damn letter is about himself. In letter 45 he directly complains about it and it being her attitude which created the hatred towards him
> Before I became acquainted with the family of the saintly Paula, all Rome resounded with my praises
>Of all the ladies in Rome but one had power to subdue me, and that one was Paula. She mourned and fasted, she was squalid with dirt, her eyes were dim from weeping. For whole nights she would pray to the Lord for mercy, and often the rising sun found her still at her prayers.
>Fabricated entirely.
Letter 45.3
>Almost every one concurred in judging me worthy of the episcopate
And then blames Paula as above as to why nobody thought of him like that anymore
>It was not illegal
It was made illegal by Valentinian for monks or churchmen to integrate themselves with groups of aristocratic women and they were banned from receiving gifts from them. Theodosian Codex 16.2.20
>Oh no a saint's headline competed with another
Because the entire life is fabricated

>>17976517 (OP)
niggas name was jerome

>>17976517 (OP)
>Why was Jerome a Saint again?
In its original biblical use, the term saint refers to anyone who is saved. The practice of giving someone a title of Saint as if it signified they are a kind of "proto-uebermensch" figure is not Biblical Christian practice. It's very clear just from reading the Bible itself that the biblical concept of salvation is not based on personal accomplishments or being able to work miracles or the like.

Fallible human beings without God are not the best judges of character. For political reasons, people will sometime acclaim unregenerate and unsavory people as "saints" if there is some political reason for it. And according to the Bible, one day the world will be wanting to worship the Antichrist as well, but that is the world's recognition, not God's.

"Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."
- Luke 6:26

"How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?"
- John 5:44

>>17977607
sounds like you just don’t like the actual correct definition of “saint”

>>17977607
>By that metric, anyone can be a saint.
For Antiquity it kind of was. People became saints only because they were called so, there's no real process or theological thought behind it for most of them. It's just that they were popular or well liked enough by their community that they named them saint.

>>17978202
there is actually an entire wing of the vatican dedicated to investigating someone’s potential sainthood
they investigate their lives, make a determination as to whether they seem to have died in a “state of Grace”
at which point they become declared “Blessed”
then people need to pray to them and ask for their intercession, which is to say you ask them to pray to God for you from Heaven.
once a person has 2 confirmed miracles attributed to their intercession they are declared a canon Saint

>>17978235
This is a later medieval tradition. Ancient sainthood was ad hoc and depended on the will of the community said person belonged to. Hagiography in the period was largely a promotion of their own chosen saint rather than justification as to why they were one