Thread 17976731

In Zoroastrianism, killing a beaver was seen as one of the 30 cardinal sins, on the same level as murdering a prophet, heresy and witchcraft. Why did they hold beavers in such high regard?
https://www.hinduwebsite.com/zoroastrianism/sin.asp

>>17976731 (OP)
they cute

>>17976731 (OP)
the only other vertebrate known to exhibit faustian spirit

>>17976731 (OP)
Because they give a dam

>>17976731 (OP)
>Hindu website
>Zoroastrianism

>>17976731 (OP)
They slap the top water when they are swimming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0V1jepIGkk

>>17976731 (OP)
It was believed that the spirits of a thousand dogs are reincarnated in a single beaver. Killing one was considered a terrible crime that could bring drought and famine.

>>17977069
what text says this?

Beaver dams are good if you want wetlands. And they can easily go extinct if over hunted.

>>17977436
yeah but it's seen as worse than killing someone. It's like if Moses came down with the 10 commandments and n3 5 would be "dont kill hedgehogs". It'd be weird.

>>17977439
Honestly with what we now know about how valuable beavers are to nature, specicially in keeping water in the ground for drinking and farming. Avoiding terrible wildfires and the list goes on. Maybe they just realized areas without beavers were trash and areas with them were prosperous. In this way killings beavers was worse than killing people, because beavers helped prevent famine.

>>17977432
Avesta

>>17977439
you go try holding back a stream with sticks and mud. they just acknowledged a superior being

>>17976748
kek. this is actually true.

Funny how hundreds of diaspora iranians in California are convinced that this is some enlightened religion when it's even more of an ooga booga superstition than islam

>>17977833
denounce the Quran.

>>17977833
it has occasional silliness but not the unhinged schizophrenia of Islam

>>17977833
Idk man, sounds pretty enlightened to me. Bobr and Sonic are good to keep around

>>17978352
It has the same unhinged schizophrenia as Islam. While this thread is about beavers being protected, numerous other animals called Xrafstar were seen as evil and it was considered virtuous to kill them for no reason, and Zoroastrians drove various species to extinction in the areas they occupied, it is obviously psychotic and evil.
We mock Muslims for cousin fucking but Xwedodah is that on steroids. Zoroastrianism is clearly worse than Islam.

In the Vendidad, the animal in question is actually the castoridae, which refers to the Lutra lutra, also known in local folklore as the āb-gurg.

There are no beavers anywhere near Iran today, btw, it has been hunted to extinction throughout the entire Middle East even though it was a fairly common animal, some surviving specimens being found in Syria and Turkey even as late as the 19th century. Unlike Europe, there have been no efforts to reintroduce the animal.

>>17978583
Maybe not yet, but the beaver is making a comeback.

Soon, all of Eurasia will be beaver territory

>>17978592
Again, only in Europe, where people have enough self-control and respect for nature to preserve species.
If it spread into the Middle East it would immediately be hunted to extinction again.

>>17976731 (OP)
bobr kurwa

>>17977069
>spirits of a thousand dogs are reincarnated in a single beaver

How such a belief even forms? I get the famine belief, that could just be people interpreting a coincidence, but the 1000 dog souls is just so oddly specific and insane.

>>17978860
Why? Because thus said Zarathustra

>>17976731 (OP)
Great belief to have. Beavers are based.

>>17978860
>God NEEDS your foreskin

>>17978600
Castor was named after the animal or vice versa, and he is a known Greek character and there are no kastors around there. Sounds like they were also hunted to extinction in Greece. Anyway if its making a comeback in Europe it means that it was hunted to near extinction there, too, isnt it?

>>17978352
It has codified incest and the belief that cats, tortoises and other random animals are demonic servants of Ahriman that must all be exterminated on sight, it's absolutely retarded beyond belief

>Xrafstar or Khrafstra (Avestan: xrafstra-; Middle Persian: xrafstar) is a cover term in Zoroastrianism for the animals that are harmful or repulsive. These animals were not to be sacrificed or eaten. They were considered creations of the Evil Spirit Angra Mainyu and killing them was seen as meritorious.[1] In the Young Avesta and Middle Persian texts, the class of xrafstars includes frogs, reptiles, scorpions and insects like ants or wasps, whereas predators such as the wolf are not referred to as xrafstars, even though they too are considered to be creations of evil.

>65. 'Verily I say unto thee, O Spitama Zarathushtra! such creatures ought to be killed even more than gliding snakes46, than howling wolves, than the wild she-wolf that falls upon the fold, or than the she-frog that falls upon the waters with her thousandfold brood.'

autism

>>17976731 (OP)
Beavers are extremely important for the environment. And cute. Extremely based if true.
Milion times better than mutilating your dick because you dont want to wash it.

>>17979537
They hated the frogcels too? I'm converting

>>17979537
i can see where the OT and Quran got their stupidity from now. Also that passage is telling followers to kill women who have sex with more than two men on one day. Apparently that's more pleasing to Ahura Mazda than worshipping him, kek

When you look at the dislike for pigs in middle eastern religions it also seems to make no sense until you realise that pigs need more water than goats and sheep, so there must have been some ancient autist priest who figured it out and said that God thinks these animals are unclean.
Wonder if we're dealing with similar thing here.

>The mountain ox, the mountain goat, the deer, the wild ass, and other beasts devour all snakes. 27. So also, of other animals, dogs are created in opposition to the wolf species, and for securing the protection of sheep; the fox is created in opposition to the demon Khava; the ichneumon is created in opposition to the venomous snake (garzhak) and other noxious creatures in burrows; so also the great musk-animal is created in opposition to ravenous intestinal worms (kaduk-danak garzhak). 28. The hedgehog is created in opposition to the ant which carries off grain, as it says, that the hedgehog, every time that it voids urine into an ant's nest, will destroy a thousand ants; when the grain-carrier travels over the earth it produces a hollow track; when the hedgehog travels over it the track goes away from it, and it becomes level. 29. The water-beaver is created in opposition to the demon which is in the water. 30. The conclusion is this, that, of all beasts and birds and fishes, every one is created in opposition to some noxious creature.
>Regarding the vulture (karkas) it says, that, even from his highest flight, he sees when flesh the size of a fist is on the ground; and the scent of musk is created under his wing, so that if, in devouring dead matter, the stench of the dead matter comes out from it, he puts his head back under the wing and is comfortable again. 32. Regarding the Arab horse they say, that if, in a dark night, a single hair occurs on the ground, he sees it.
Well there's your answer, the beaver destroys water demons.

>>17976777
Kek

>>17979569
>The hedgehog is created in opposition to the ant which carries off grain, as it says, that the hedgehog, every time that it voids urine into an ant's nest, will destroy a thousand ants; when the grain-carrier travels over the earth it produces a hollow track; when the hedgehog travels over it the track goes away from it, and it becomes level.

Ohnonono antbro's... theyre pissing on us!

>>17979569
They loved beavers AND hedgehogs? Best religion to ever spawn in Eurasia.

>>17979569
>the beaver destroys water demons
Winner!

>>17979593
Nah. It still has its issues. Namely the one named Anahita.

>>17976777

Triple 7's ... Nice digits
Underrated post
Don't fuck with the beavers assholes...

>>17979569

https://www.avesta.org/pahlavi/saddar.html

>1. The eighty-sixth subject is this, that it is not proper to kill a beaver [lit. 'water dog']; but, if they see it in any place, it is necessary to take it up and carry it to running water. 2. For, in the commentary of the Vendidad it is ranked as a great sin for the killer; and, as to every one who kills a beaver, the source of his seed becomes exhausted.

You heard it folks. Carry a beaver to water, and dont you dare fucking kill it or else you'll become sterile.
Interesting how beavers were seen as symbols of masculinity in so many cultures, especially when you consider that they have no penis but a cloaca.

>>17979599
>Anahita
the fertility goddess? what of her?

>>17979848
Deities that represent human sexuality, especially feminine ones, is nothing but a recent invention and a gateway to sexual perversions and replacing spirituality with materialistic pleasures.

>>17979890
>Deities that represent human sexuality, especially feminine ones, is nothing but a recent invention
Aren't these among the oldest of cults? Venus of Willendorf and such...

>>17979890
One should not become enamored in one god as a polytheist

>>17979411
>Castor was named after the animal or vice versa
Vice versa, which is common for exotic animals. (eg, naming the Indian snake "python" after the mythological monster.)
Though it's also possible that the etymology of kastor is from a IE for musk , which was the most notable product extracted from the beaver. (Castor's twin's name, Pollux, means "very sweet", so their names would be "musky" and "sweet" as fragrances)
> Sounds like they were also hunted to extinction in Greece.
Actually, there were no castors in classical Greece. It's very coastal and the rivers and woods of Greece aren't particularly suitable for the beaver's niche. It's possible that the ancestors of the Greeks migrated from an area where beavers were common though.

>if its making a comeback in Europe it means that it was hunted to near extinction there, too, isnt it?
The point is that we did not hunt it to extinction and we are making efforts to conserve it, you coping thirdie locust.

>>17976777
Dad, stop posting jokes on 4chan.
You’re embarrassing me.

>>17976748
Are there faustian invertebrates?

>>17979941
ants, bees, termites

>>17979537
>evil creatures
>all creatures that cause plague, pestilence, or are just really dangerous to humans and livestock
Seems coherent desu

>>17979945
Lizards and Tortoises aren't dangerous, nor are frogs

>>17976731 (OP)
>Why did they hold beavers in such high regard?

I couldn't imagine a fundamentally more useful animal to sustaining the environment.
I'm earnestly amazed at their ability to find water in a seemingly barren environment and their equal skill in restoring vegetation. You'd think such a large industrious rodent would strip the land bare and eat themselves out of house and home, but beaver territory quickly becomes well forested with their presence, as if the animal is secretly planting saplings.

My favorite piece of beaver trivia is the fact that states like Idaho, Montana, and California, have all at some point packaged beavers in (edible) pine boxes and air-dropped them into neglected or depleted environments, berfit of beaver, and the beavers effectively restored them to pristine condition. What would have cost the state governments millions of dollars was resolved with a 35,000 dollar beaver introduction.
Pic related is a creek in Nevada; even in arid states like Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico, I hear anecdotal accounts of ranchers who release a few beavers onto their land and see remarkable results in a couple years.

Associating me to that name was the biggest mistake in these past 5 years.

>>17979977
Frogs are dangerous nazis

>>17979626
truly the beaver is a noble creature. even after getting picked up by its tail it forgives the cop and goes back to its divine mission
the zoroastrians were on to something

>>17978522
>nooooooo don't kill scorpions you must let them sting you it is the will of Allah

>>17978600
Europeans hunted lions to extinction and nearly killed all the wolves until ecologists told them to stop. Some self control you have there spadukopolos

>>17976777
You earned the thread.

>>17979943
those are just communists, but it actually works for them

>>17980358
>communism societies require all their members to be descended from a single being and "Brave New World" tier of predisposed caste engineering
At last, I truly see.

>>17979977
>He doesnt know about Turtle AIDS

>>17979548
>>17979548
>kill women who have sex with more than two men on one day
based

>>17979567
nah, its just lost knowledge about them being one of ancestors of humans

>>17976731 (OP)
it's a carpenter animal, and as such symbolizes God the Tekton the lord of truth and rightness, the same as Jesus. they are also supercute

>>17980063
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

>the Eurasian beaver is hunted almost to extinction in Europe
>Europe's global hegemony starts fading
Coincidence?

>>17980881
>beavers rebound in America in the 20th century
>it rises to a global superpower
there might be something to this...

>>17980916
>Europe restoring its beavers
>USSR communism collapses in Europe.
Eurobro's... this is our century

>>17976731 (OP)
Same with dogs, for torturing a dog you went straight to hell in zoroastrian belief.
After the conquest of Iran, mudslimes were torturing dogs in public on purpose to annoy zoroastrians, since prophet muhammad loved cats but despised dogs

>>17980916
Mandate of Beaver

>>17976731 (OP)
That is not a good translation. Most scholars take it that "water-dogs" refers to otters and not beavers. You are not reading good translations.
>>17979977
These threads are just astroturfed by O9A, k*ke vermin, and other agents obsessed with making Iran go back to low IQ Zoroshit. It's a part of their stupid Messianic plan.

>>17982238
Jelly of a good thread?

>>17982319
Kys.