Thread 17984709

>>17984709 (OP)
Why isn't Italian included on this chart? Not even a med, I'm just more curios as to what degree ethnic culture plays in fertility

>>17984709 (OP)
It's inevitable. Only the west cares about pushing its retarded, gay values on everyone, China is an atheist country but they don't really give a shit about anything other than business.

>>17984731
Also missing high-fertility languages like Arabic and Dari.

Jesus will overcome the world. Christ is King

>>17984731
do italian americans still speak it at home?

>>17984709 (OP)
Where ebonics?

>>17984776
I know several Italians and yes, they do indeed speak Italian at home. At least in my personal experience.

>>17984856
Under the 1.7 for English as it’s seen as a dialect not a whole new language. Recent stats show black Americans now slightly have lower tfr than whites non Hispanic Americans

>>17984709 (OP)
The thing with high fertility rates among the religious is that they're just producing future deconverts.

>>17984949
>Recent stats show black Americans now slightly have lower tfr than whites non Hispanic Americans
Shieeeeet

>>17984735
Nigga they followed a more extreme version of the shit leftoids have been pushing here in the name of ending, you guessed, inequality, they miscalculated the one child policy and they now are reduced to a potemkim country filled with neets and factories generating amounts of chinkshit no one really needs. Look at China's parade, how many of those weapons would work against anything other than jeets?

>>17984776
My experience has been parents talk to the kid in Italian and the kid responds in English. Had half a dozen friends like this. Some Spanish speaking friends were also similar.

>>17984985
Amish retention rates are actually very high. Only about 10% of Amish abandon their community and lifestyle, and interestingly this proportion has gone down over time. In the early days of Amish life in America, about one in three would defect from the Amish community to join mainstream society. This implies that at least the Amish have successfully set themselves on a different trajectory of evolution compared to the surrounding Anglo-Americans. People who can't stand the religious, conservative, patriarchal society of the Amish have self-selected out of their gene pool for multiple generations now and continue to do so. It's a real possibility that the Amish and the Ultra-Orthodox and similar groups represent the next step of human evolution, because they alone have developed an immunity against the anti-natalist feminism which has tanked the TFR of mainstream society well below sustainable levels.

>>17985010
>potemkim country filled with neets
Not really? Employment is still pretty decent.
>factories generating amounts of chinkshit no one really needs
Why are people inside and outside China still buying them then. You do know they sell products to the ensure world instead of just a few markets.

>>17984709 (OP)
Doesn't matter how many kids you have if most of them deconvert. This is something fundies are deeply anxious about and hence try to seclude their kids from secular influences.

>>17985077
Yes the Amish are set to last as are the ultra Orthodox Jews, they have made themselves immune to the fertility decreasing effects of modernity, as Amish in America have insane levels of fertility while ultra Orthodox Jews have high fertility in both America and Israel, seems Somalis also have high fertility in both Somalia and America so they might be modernity resistant too

What will happen when the aging materialist secularists, who for so long were smugly confident that the future was theirs, realize that America belongs to the Amish and Yiddish and possibly Somalis? I predict they’ll try to forcibly assimilate them; try to put their kids into public schools at gunpoint.

>>17985223
Why would the elite class get rid of easily controllable rubes?

>>17984709 (OP)
yes and that is the problem.

>>17985241
problem in which way? expand on this

>>17984709 (OP)
sure. religion is about personal experiences and not rational explanations. Kierkegaard had it right.

>>17985133
can't deconvert if irreligousness is illegal.

>>17985692
seems very rational in comparison to the long term seppuku of low to zero fertility rates

>>17984738

Amen.

>>17985223
Material secularism is self defeating. At some point the aging materialists will not only realize that the future belongs to the Amish etc, they will also realize that their very own worldview entails that they truly have no reason to care about the future past their own deaths. They won't be in it after all, or so they believe. If they do care about the shape of the distant future, however, they must face the fact that they aren't as committed to materialism as they thought they were. Maybe then they'll convert themselves rather than trying to convert others, although it'll be too late to fix their fertility after the fact.

>>17984709 (OP)
You can't *overcome* the reality of globalism, science, and individual autonomy by just wishing really hard for the 7th century. The real question is whether these rigid ideologies can even survive another 50 years of hyper-connectivity without having a total existential meltdown.

>>17985907
if they are going on strong today in 2025 in the mid west and rust belt area of america, they will do better than survive they will thrive

>>17985907
Low IQ post.

It can temporarily reverse specific aspects of modernity, especially under authoritarian enforcement, but it can never fully overcome it.

>>17986997
Let’s say the Amish or ultra Orthodox Jews maintain their tfr as the general American tfr continues to decline, they become the majority and don’t conform to modernity then they can beat it

>>17984709 (OP)
No. Religious fundamentalists are all going to be mass exterminated with artificially intelligent drones. There's no need for those subhumans to exist in the coming world. Birth rates mean nothing - just more cockroaches to exterminate.

>>17987433
Yeah, society would change completely, and you're right, they would probably overcome modernity. This could be possible, considering groups like ultra-Orthodox Jews are well above replacement.

>>17984737
Dari, Farsi and Tajik are all "Persian," which is actually on the chart.

>>17984856
It doesn't count as a separate language until it has developed into a court language called "Nike"

>>17984709 (OP)
>The only people in America who are having enough kids to be above the replacement rate are the kikes, the Amish, and niggers from Somalia
Grim

>>17988135
and they all settle in the area from minnesota to newyork, basically the rust belt area which is rapidly decreasing in demographics making their tfrs stand out even more