Thread 17986242

>If white people go extinct or fade from global power, without them civilization, order and the world as we know it will collapse
Where did this lie come from? Prior to the relatively recent epoch of white world dominance and relevance, numerous advanced non-white civilizations flourished and kept order regionally as well as extra-regionally including the Ming, Shang, Ancient Egyptians, Nubians, Axumites, Mesopotamians, Phoenicians and Mesoamericans. Some of these civilizations never encountered white people but remained enormously powerful. The Ming were close to achieving clear maritime hegemony abandoned before they abandoned it which served as a gift to Spain.

Other than non-whites historically being capable of creating and maintaining civilization, this common argument falls flat in another major way. For one, its unlikely in a world where Europeans lost their power, the most likely replacement hegemons China and Russia would just allow bad-for-their-interests, inexplicable world chaos to spawn. Geopolitical groups and economic ties would be established to prevent something like that from happening. How does this terrible argument have any popularity today?

muh rome (the immigrants were the whiter germans)

We're talking about the global civilization. Never happened before

>>17986242 (OP)
No reason to count Greeks as white either.

>>17986242 (OP)
>If white people go extinct or fade from global power, without them civilization, order and the world as we know it will collapse
I can't imagine anybody but wignat retards having this sort of opinion

>>17986242 (OP)
>Ancient Egyptians, Nubians, Axumites, Mesopotamians, Phoenicians
All those were "white people"

>>17986242 (OP)
>Ming
True
>Shang
True
>Ancient Egyptians
Mutted & dysgenic now
>Nubians
Fake civilisation
>Axumites
Fake civilisation
>Mesopotamians
Mutted & dysgenic now
>Phonecians
Mutted & dysgenic now
>Mesoamericand
Fake civilisation

Without white people only east Asians would continue advanced technological civilisation, browns and blacks need not apply

>>17986249
there were swarthy Syriac immigrants too and the Romans did not like them due to their effeminacy and men blackening their eyes wearing heavy jewels silks and oiling their hair and beards like some Persians. On the other hand, Germanic tribes were praised for having good family morals, despite being more primitive and prone to violence

>>17986331
India is the future of human progress and development though. Jews can't infiltrate them easily, and neither can Chinese

>>17986340
The future is looking grim then

>>17986344
I mean, just the fact they have so many people guarantees there's gotta be enough geniuses and creatives in there. Sheer statistics. Although the majority of them will be operating out of places like UK, Canada and Australia first before India itself

>>17986317
That's who makes up 70 percent of /his/ and are why it's among the lowest IQ boards so I think the post is semi important

Zheng He just sailed along trade routes merchants had already sailed for centuries. As an example of Chinese civilized excellence it might as well be the "university" of Timbuctu or great Zimbabwe. Civilization wouldn't collapse, except in Africa, however civilization will forever lose its spark, it will forever be hordes of low IQ ruled by oriental despots to whom the most horrific torture and throwing people into an abject state of terror is the normal method of control.

1 Leonardo/Galileo/Newton was worth 10000 Zheng Hes, and most men like Zheng He were tortured to death for coming up with a new idea, as was the custom in China with its confucian obsession with "harmony". An analogy might be a nerd from the chess club trying to convince chad from the football team to study calculus with him and pass his finals. It's fucking not happening.

With whites gone China will stagnate again, they will still have modern technology, it's too useful to go away, but they won't bother making investments or pioneering scientific research. Just scam each other like jeets until pollution and resource depletion sets them back.

Europe was full of reasonable intelligent white men who set about cooperating and advancing science, but people like this are completely outnumbered in east asia. To them everything is a hierarchy, in Japan or China you have to let your boss plagiarize all your work and take credit, the guy who invented the blue LED light had to do this. Whereas in the west such things are considered deeply immoral, in asia the scientist is considered stupid for getting conned and kicked into the dirt. Let's not start on China's patent theft. Their economy still depends on stealing shit from the west just like in communist days.

>>17986340
>the future of human progress
>refusing to shit in toilets
You jest, surely

>>17986349
Which boards do you consider high IQ?

>>17986352
This is a cope post and doesn't address at all how civilizational inventions prospered before Europeans did anything of much relevance. Claiming innovation would stagnate is fallacious

>>17986242 (OP)
Humanity would degenerate to tribalism and nomadic hunter/gatherers

>>17986374
More like regenerate.

>>17986242 (OP)
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRRRRR

>>17986338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZyIhtN3PDI

>>17986242 (OP)
White supermacist came up with this theory that all civilisations around the world (India, China, the Middle East, etc.) were actually built by Nordic Germanic people
They then declared that white people are no longer around because brown hordes raped them into extinction everywhere, which is supposed to make the white race look good somehow
Also, since then, any notable person of non-european orgin will be simply declared to have "nordic blood", pretty convenient

Whites use this argument to maintain a sense of importance for white populations in a changing global order.

>>17986242 (OP)
Every time whites let non whites rule their own country, the country of non whites immediately becomes hell, literally and metaphorically.

>>17986860
heh I had forgotten about this one

>>17986338
This is the bullshit white nationalist distortion full of lies. Not a word of truth contained in your post.

whites are spiritually jewish and follow talmudic racial hatred

>>17987026
>xe doesn't know
they used to say the orontes flows into the tiber
greeklings were frowned upon, syriac fuccbois even more so
crack a book trooncel

>>17986242 (OP)
>Russia
lmfao, no

>>17986365
NTA but I think /lit/ has an high IQ.

>>17986331
>>Mesopotamians
>Mutted & dysgenic now
Arabs and Assyrians are genetically the same as they ever were going back to the bronze age.
They have adapted to their region being sent to war due to foreign intervention and strife. That's not them being "dysgenic".
Europeans are by far the most mutted and dysgenic people. That's why they are prone to environmental illnesses and hereditary health problems like limes disease and multiple sclerosis.
Middle Age Europe was a backwater shithole until they started to copy things like algebra and advanced astronomy from Mesopotamians, who themselves got it from South Asinas.
Seriously, you people want ot pretend that humanity ends when you all get replaced. But it really doesn't.
Even if the Asians would advance and take over, that's not a "bad ending" for anyone but whitey. Not everyone is insecure about the success of others the way you are.

>>17986242 (OP)
I would argue that only europeans and east asians are capable of "high civilization", a very complex, orderly and technologically advanced form of civilization. Such requires many highly intelligent people who can run complicated systems. Additionally you need disciplined, well trained commoners.
This kind of civilization is still alive and well in east asia but is slowly dying in the west as millions of people who are not capable enough to maintain it immigrate while the birth rate of natives is too low and discipline is fading.

>>17987335
>I would argue that only europeans and east asians are capable of "high civilization", a very complex, orderly and technologically advanced form of civilization
Lmao fucking retard

>>17986242 (OP)
Civilization would not collapse, but it would eternally stagnate. Whites have driven every single modern innovation- harnessing electricity, automobiles, rail, industrial capabilities, tv and radio, computers and networking. The entire modern world is based off of things dreamt up by autistic White men. The only civilization you mention that still stands are the Chinese, and even they would not shy away from the fact that they were humiliated by rapid European innovation.

So yeah, you can get rid of all Whites and then Asians will probably be able to maintain a 21st century technological society for however long. The world won't collapse immediately but it will stagnate, and that will lead to collapse eventually, even if it takes a thousand years.

>>17986880
>Every time whites let non whites rule their own country, the country of non whites immediately becomes hell
Such as what?

>>17986352
>Whereas in the west such things are considered deeply immoral
No they are not you retard lol. Twitter commentary does not count as social backlash and people do not care.
If you patent something, or you let someone patent something, it's yours. No question. That product belongs to someone else according to law and any attempt to refute it will see you sentenced to prison.
>Their economy still depends on stealing shit from the west just like in communist days.
Muttard "it was my idea first!!" stuff doesn't hold weight anywhere in the world my boy. No one cares who was first or last.
Everything else here is just cope.

>>17986352
>As an example of Chinese civilized excellence it might as well be the "university" of Timbuctu or great Zimbabwe.
>With whites gone China will stagnate again, they will still have modern technology, it's too useful to go away, but they won't bother making investments or pioneering scientific research
Why are you this delusional?

>>17987346
Who do you think produces smartphones?

>>17987353
>>17987347
>>17987335
whites have this weird idea that technology started with them. but really, the tools they use to create technology was passed onto them by near easterners, egyptians, and indians.
there is a future without you. there are functioning powerful countries that are devoid of wh*te influence. sorry that your parents did not teach you object permanence.

>>17987357
Who invented MOSFET transistors dumb brownoid?

>>17987390
Don't answer a question with a question indigo child.

>>17987390
The mosfet transistors we use today were invented by two people, a Egyptian muslim and Taiwanese man LMAO

>>17987418
>The mosfet transistors we use today
>were invented
Not that anon but that's just silly logic, the mosfets we use today were improved upon but they weren't "invented" because it wasn't a novel invention at that point. This is the same logic people use to mental gymnastic their way around the idea that Europeans invented the alphabet and not the Phoenicians and Egyptians just because they used an abjad or consonantal alphabet instead

>>17987428
The anon here >>17987390 tried to argue in bad faith. He tried to bring up Mosfets as a counterpoint to smartphone production despite MOSFETs being invented by a Taiwanese/Egyptian duo

>>17986331
I don't know shit about Nubia or Axum, but Mesoamerica was absolutely not "fake civilization"

Even if you wanna try to argue that everything the Spanish described was exaggerated or some shit, Teotihuacan from 1000 years before the Aztec is one of the most extensively mapped ancient or medieval cities in the world down to almost every building and many of those buildings down to the exact floorplan, and it's fucking huge, only a few cities in Europe at the time would have been clearly larger in population and fewer still, if any, were larger in area

Pretty much the entire population was also living in fancy palace compounds, too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV6ZZZsCjK8&t=2s

>>17986340
yes India
superpower by 2020 right?

>>17987359
it's not just about inventing things, it's about using and maintaining them. Yes we all know that gunpowder wasn't invented by europeans, that the steam engine existed since antiquity. But who conquered the world with those tools?

>there is a future without you
sure but what kind of future? I don't see anyone but whites who have (inter-)planetary ambitions. Even China is inwards facing. The world will most likely stay in a certain state and in some places degrade (South Africa for example already is in that process). You won't go beyond, you won't take the next step of human evolution. You aren't capable or even willing

>>17986866
>>17986874
>>17987313
>>17987349
>>17987359
These are all the 100% correct answers. The average white nationalist who pushes the fantasy of the worlds end at the hands of its new brown, black and Asian "overlords" after the downfall of white hegemony over Earth is doing this out of sheer wish fulfillment because, like a jealous ex-gf, they absolutely hate the idea of other races doing well without them and have no understanding of history outside of nearly decade old /pol/ trivia images claiming every ancient, black/brown/asian civilization was ruled by blonde blue-eyed aryans of some kind. This lie "solves" the cognitive dissonance inherent in their Marvel movie tier ideology, leading them to genuinely believe the world is only held up by superior benevolent white superheroes without a single problem in their deluded

>>17988280
>it's about using and maintaining them.
Again, weird point to make when many ex-empires and a fat chunk of the western world are cutting back hard on infrastructure and proper military expenditure for no real reason.

>I don't see anyone but whites who have (inter-)planetary ambitions
Lmao. Not even close. Space travel is a shitty waste compared to way better options on Earth and in general space research. We haven't even done undersea habitation AT ALL and you want to travel in space?
>The world will most likely stay in a certain state and in some places degrade (South Africa for example already is in that process).
Yet a ton of the world ia developing and contributing to research. I'm. Ot even sure why you brought up SA considering it did jackshit research during Apartheid and was pretty much worse than most of the upper tier LatAm state due to mass inequality far beyond their scope and a shitty clique corruption and resource funelling to a small percent of the white population. How the fuck are you supposed to have an industrial state where a tiny minority of the already small ~8-12% white population acrually has solid access and funding to attend universities in the first place?

The Muslims to their credit recognized the importance of the Greeks but further contributions were sparse and they lagged behind, even the Ottomans, quick to adopt military technology out of necessity, lacked the printing press until the 18th century, only their Greek and Slavic subjects used it. China had no formal system of mathematics at all.

People like >>17988321 believe history must be censored, that they must downplay european breakthroughs and vastly overinflate minor events outside europe to fight racism or whatever. For example they will mention Omar Khayyam's attempts to solve cubic equations and the "islamic golden age" while ignoring the Italians that actually solved it, all because they feel offended that there are too many "dead white men" in the history books. They do not rank history in order of actual relevance but by how brown historical figures are. However this attitude doesn't actually help their purported goals, if some black boy takes an interest in science they won't be able to "identify" with these "dead white men" because of this hypersensitive hyperracialized attitude instilled in them.

It is better to just embrace what happened. Once Europe reached a 15th century level of technology things naturally accelerated. Left to their own devices perhaps China or the Islamic world would be at this level a few centuries later and begin their own positive feedback loop and rapid development. There would be a muslim/Chinese Euclid, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo, Isaac Newton and the rest. However because Europe reached this point first they maintained this lead until technology reached the point where you can fly from one side of the planet to the other in 24 hours and geographic isolation became largely irrelevant.

Now noneuropeans have a chance to contribute they must learn the importance of putting the truth first above their egos.

>>17986242 (OP)
Do you want your future to look like India or Africa? Then sure, civilization won't "collapse", Europe and North America are heading Brazil and Argentina's way, South America is the future where whites hold little to no power, if you're not East Asian then you have a lot to be afraid of

>>17986242 (OP)
Because it would. Without white people (Europe and North America), our current 21st century technological society would collapse. The global order would be upended entirely. The current institutions like the UN, WHO, etc would collapse or disappear. The idea of the Westphalian model would go as would human rights

No one’s claiming that China, Persia or India might be able to hold together societies in the event of such a catastrophe, but billions would die globally, wars would break out, famines from lack of western aid, massive loss of technology. Mankind would likely revert to a pre industrial state, although perhaps the East Asians would be able to hold together a rudimentary 19-20th century tech level.

Imagine unironically thinking the Ming Dynasty or Ancient Egypt were 'civilized' without understanding Western concepts like individual rights and the scientific method. The entire modern global system... international law, tech, and even the device you are posting this cope on... is a product of European thought. Remove that foundation and the whole structure collapses into tribalistic, authoritarian shitholes. You really think the CCP or Russia gives a single fuck about *world order* beyond what directly benefits them?

>>17988375
You only hear what you want to hear, and then you make your arguments about this straw man. Nobody is downplaying Europe's achievements. They said that once Europe became densely populated, its achievements were built on the inventions of other civilizations that made their way to Europe so your racist fantasies have very little backup in reality

>>17988450
>imagine thinking people were civilized without conforming to European conceptions of how the world works...how uncouth!

>>17988450
>Imagine unironically thinking the Ming Dynasty or Ancient Egypt were 'civilized' without understanding Western concepts like individual rights and the scientific method
"Authoritarian" civilizations are still civilizations. Civilization is not based on your personal feelings but on the existence of working, stable state institutions, culture and the ability to spread communicable knowledge over multiple generations. Not even the two founders of Western civilization, the Romans and Ancient Greeks would fully accept "individual rights" as we now know them and neither would the pre-democracy Germans or pre-revolution French, and you'd be retarded to claim their civilizations never existed until recently.
>The entire modern global system... international law, tech, and even the device you are posting this cope on... is a product of European thought
Asia produces millions of electronics per-year and law began as a non-European concept
>Remove that foundation and the whole structure collapses into tribalistic, authoritarian shitholes. You really think the CCP or Russia gives a single fuck about *world order* beyond what directly benefits them?
Other than totally not happening ... The global tribalistic chaos you claim would take over the world is diametrically opposed to their interests. You can't trade or build partners that way, so China and Russia would make due to prevent it.